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Avenatti arrested for domestic violence, Surefire Intelligence claims credit
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From the Los Angeles police department:
Michael Avenatti is the lawyer for Stormy Daniels, who is suing the President. He also represents one of Brett Kavanaugh's accusers. He is widely expected to run for president in 2020.
This thread is about his arrest and the allegations against him.
Jacob Wohl, who is behind allegations of sexual misconduct against Robert Mueller, is claiming involvement in this, apparently. I can't find a reliable news article on this so someone else can link it.
Michael Avenatti is the lawyer for Stormy Daniels, who is suing the President. He also represents one of Brett Kavanaugh's accusers. He is widely expected to run for president in 2020.
This thread is about his arrest and the allegations against him.
Jacob Wohl, who is behind allegations of sexual misconduct against Robert Mueller, is claiming involvement in this, apparently. I can't find a reliable news article on this so someone else can link it.
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That was a charge where the officers were present and could write reports as actual witnesses to what went on.
Without an actual person speaking to the police to give them a statement that Avenatti abused them, there's no way they make an arrest. So the scenario of Wohl making up a fake person to be the victim here just isn't plausible.
This isn't to say someone couldn't bring false allegations that the LAPD goes for. Just saying that speculating Wohl made something up and that's what lead to this arrest is very unlikely.
Surefire Intelligence is J.A.Wohl’s “private investigative” firm that was previuosly involved in allegedly attempting to get false testimony of sexual harassment / assault against Mueller.
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Source?
Also the California statute covers many types of intimidate relationships, not just spouses
That's a surprisingly apt typo
It was TMZ that initially made the claim it was his ex, they've retracted it since. His first wife also made a similar statement, but I can't seem to find the AP article with it in it right now.
This is assuming Wohl is actually involved and not making up bullshit to take credit, it’s not impossible that he paid someone for a false accusation like he tried to do to Mueller.
I hate this, because between everything that happened with victim advocacy and victim smearing, especially after Kavenaugh, we’re in a place where shitheads like Wohl and the cops that arrested Stormy gives credit to the plausibility that this is fake when we shouldn’t even be having this discussion.
Wohl creates a fake victim and police with similar ideas to silence a Trump critic arrest on false pretenses.
I feel like a conspiracy theorist.
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So sounds like it was an actual real time response instead of, for example, someone walking into the police station to report abuse after the fact. Unless NBC sucks at getting this detail right.
I think NBC sucks. The report was taken Tuesday, LAPD announced they arrested him on Wednesday.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/claudiarosenbaum/michael-avenatti-arrested?bftwnews&utm_term=4ldqpgc#4ldqpgc
That link also has the statement from the first wife.
That sentence you quoted is also not quite detailed enough to be sure! "As of Weds" argh
The police said there was a victim present with bruises/injuries.
The TMZ story quotes Avenetti as saying "this is Bullshit, she hit me first" at the time of arrest.(But it also said it was his wife so it really isn't a greatly reliable source).
So either Wohl is bullshitting it sounds like, or he paid someone to actively pick a fight with Avenetti?
Generally, the social cost of making an allegation of domestic or sexual violence means false allegations are going to be rare and as such should be treated with more seriousness on its face than the amount of evidence would otherwise garner.
The exception may be enemies of the right, because if you have no shame, norms don't bind you and/or payoffs are involved the social cost can easily be dismissed. Either they eliminate and enemy or they undercut the seriousness of these claims or both. Its win win for the immoral sociopathic fascist trolls
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Avenatti was guilty on a nonrational "vibe" basis. But we know Mueller was targeted this way. So more caution is probably needed
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Because this is the guy who tried to pay a law professor to make false police reports.
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This was the initial TMZ story. If this is true(big if), it sounds like just a garden variety DV case and Wohl is just pulling the ISIS move of claiming credit for random bad things that happen you had nothing to do with.
You mean Jacob “Unforced Errors” Wohl?
More seriously, Wohl is claiming that his (fake) investigative company uncovered this allegation, and if you ignore the part where he was found to be faking before, that might bolster his reputation.
Yes, that's why I thought it could be a setup.
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I think it’s probably exactly what I would say if I were arrested and charged for something I didn’t do and saw someone taking the credit.
But I do think my lawyer would tell me that tweeting “I’m coming to get you!” isn’t a wise response.
Nah. If I were Avenatti I’d be doing the same thing.
Wohl, if he is indeed behind this, is guilty of false reporting of a crime, harassment, and likely obstruction of justice.
Doing this to a motivated lawyer is about the dumbest thing he could do, which means of course he was gonna do it.
But a public twitter threat strikes me as childish. If you've got a case, then proceed. Don't talk - do.
Assuming the allegations are indeed false, which I haven't read enough to really have an opinion on, aside from Wohl having anything to say about it at all, which biases me a little against believing it, but I'm keeping an open mind until we learn more.
(At least I fairly sure that's a thing and not just some MRA-style bullshit. Happy to be corrected if wrong.)
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Police separate people at the scene, either can be detained while officers get control of what's going on and start taking to people.
You need probable cause to make an actual arrest.
So no I wouldn't say that's accurate.
That's how you have to do things these days.
I expect there are other circumstances involved here. I only bring it up as a reason why an arrest was made regardless of Avanatti's character or actions.
I'm certainly willing to hear more details one way or the other.
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Detain = we just rolled up on the scene, sir you go over here ma'am you go over here (can involve either party bring asked to sit in the squad car, etc)
Arrest = you are being taken to jail for a crime we have probable cause to believe you committed
Just to be clear. "In California they always detain/arrest the man" is not a statement created in good faith, I don't think.
Does Avenatti seem like the sort of dude who might be violent towards women? Sure he does! He's a scumbag lawyer, why not?
Do I trust that the cops would follow the actual rules about arresting someone, especially a high-profile shit-disturber "THE ENEMY LIBS" (since cops also skew conservative heavily)? I sure as hell don't
Do I trust that Wohl is smart enough to set up enough of a disturbance that it would actually result in an arrest? Nope!
Do I trust that if Wohl did manage to do it, he would immediately admit to a crime and brag about it on twitter? Sure as fuck do!
Like, I have a scenario in my head of how it could've gone down, but I have no idea how much is coming from "fuck the police" and "fuck lawyers" and "fuck Wohl"
The scenario I see would be that Wohl pays a woman to essentially assault Avenatti - put her in a place that they know he's going to, start some shit, swing a purse, hope he responds violently. I can see also that woman then reacting to any sort of pushback as though it was the most violent response possible (e.g. Acosta's power-bomb on the poor innocent W.H. Intern/fawn), and making a scene. I can then see the cops being called (Maybe by bystanders, maybe by Wohl/The woman?), and not asking too many questions about what's actually happening, but seeing Avenatti, having a crying woman claiming she was assaulted and going "Yeah book him".
But I can just as easily see a scenario in which Avenatti was actually violent in a disturbance, or was actually a domestic abuser, and where Wohl just decided that confessing to a crime he didn't commit would be the move.
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