Jackson then cited the key parts of Manafort's defense pleading before sentencing, specifically when his defense team wrote, "Mr. Manafort spent his life advancing American ideals and principles."
"There aren't really any exhibits or letters that go along with that," she said,
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Jesus he is getting ripped to shreds indeed. The judge pointed out that Manafort's "I accept responsibility" now that it's sentencing time is a load of shit because of how he and his defense have argued this case.
Jackson: "The defendant's insistence that none of this should be happening to him… that the prosecution is misguided and excessive and invalid ... is just one more thing that is inconsistent with a genuine acceptance of responsibilty."
Manafort has been seated for the hearing in a wheelchair, but he stood up when Jackson came back
This doesn't actually mean much. There's a wide band between "A wheelchair is the best option" and "can't ever stand". Given what we know of his claimed medical issues this is entirely reasonable.
(It's also reasonable he's faking, because Manafort, but this isn't a reason why)
Jesus he is getting ripped to shreds indeed. The judge pointed out that Manafort's "I accept responsibility" now that it's sentencing time is a load of shit because of how he and his defense have argued this case.
Jackson: "The defendant's insistence that none of this should be happening to him… that the prosecution is misguided and excessive and invalid ... is just one more thing that is inconsistent with a genuine acceptance of responsibilty."
I honestly am in disbelief that part of their argument is “I wouldn’t have been caught if it weren’t for that meddling special counsel”
Manafort has been seated for the hearing in a wheelchair, but he stood up when Jackson came back
This doesn't actually mean much. There's a wide band between "A wheelchair is the best option" and "can't ever stand". Given what we know of his claimed medical issues this is entirely reasonable.
(It's also reasonable he's faking, because Manafort, but this isn't a reason why)
He and his lawyers started faking the wheelchair thing like day 2 of all the court business for this. In fact, to go along with that:
The judge says Manafort overstated the severity of his pretrial confinement: "At bottom, the defendant was not in the SHU." She notes he had a window, access to radio/newspapers/TV, and was released for a little time each day. He was in protective custody for his safety, she said
Yes, people in wheelchairs can often stand up and walk around. But Manafort and his lawyers have been trying to sell something to gain leniency and the judge isn't fucking buying it. Correctly isn't buying it.
Manafort has been seated for the hearing in a wheelchair, but he stood up when Jackson came back
This doesn't actually mean much. There's a wide band between "A wheelchair is the best option" and "can't ever stand". Given what we know of his claimed medical issues this is entirely reasonable.
(It's also reasonable he's faking, because Manafort, but this isn't a reason why)
Yeah but I still want to see some "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" memes out in the wild.
Manafort has been seated for the hearing in a wheelchair, but he stood up when Jackson came back
This doesn't actually mean much. There's a wide band between "A wheelchair is the best option" and "can't ever stand". Given what we know of his claimed medical issues this is entirely reasonable.
(It's also reasonable he's faking, because Manafort, but this isn't a reason why)
It is possible he is faking it but also could be like my friend where he can't stand for any real length of time so tends to use the wheel chair to get around and then stand/walk for areas a wheel chair can't easily transverse. Still this is pretty much standard playbook of trying to look weak and vulnerable to snowball a judge so hard to say.
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I'll ratchet it back, that was just a real bad sign for Manafort as it strongly implied to me that we were gonna see at least part of the sentence be consecutive.
Just like the Cohen trial it seems like Manafort is getting a lesson in the difference between using "it's a witch hunt!" arguments in public/media opinion, and how much the judge gives a shit about that in the court.
This was a perfectly justified sentence, and well within the guidelines. If she had taken his other sentence into account, that would have been easily appealable.
OK please let's not have another ten pages of people tearing their garments in rage or saying nothing matters or pointing out that someone else got far more for doing far less.
Count 1 today was 60 months, but half of it has to run concurrent with last week's sentencing. So it only adds 30 months.
Count 2 adds 13 months consecutively. Here's why it was low:
Once you hit 70 your quality of life begins to rapidly decline. Almost 8 years in prison isn’t as much as we hoped for, but he’ll be spending some of his last remaining healthy years there. It’s not nothing.
Ellis’ sentence was inexcusable, but Jackson’s is fine.
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Nevermind the months that are already counted.
Not really pleased with this. Especially since the man is getting basically VIP treatment in prison.
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Once you hit 70 your quality of life begins to rapidly decline. Almost 8 years in prison isn’t as much as we hoped for, but he’ll be spending some of his last remaining healthy years there. It’s not nothing.
Ellis’ sentence was inexcusable, but Jackson’s is fine.
I'd say a combined sentence for the crimes he's guilty of being 11 years less than the minimum sentencing guideline for one of this two trials is very close to nothing.
None of this touched on any Russian collusion at all. If he had a role in that and it can be proven he could still be charged with that. This was for his shenanigans as an unregistered foreign agent of Ukraine and stuff he did with banks trying to hide the money he was paid for that work.
Edit: Oh, and the witness tampering trying to hide the above.
Manafort’s crimes still would have paid if he spent the rest of his life in prison. He has been wealthy and influential for the lion’s share of his life. If you were looking for a sentence that would invalidate his life of crime you were setting yourself up for disappointment.
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Manafort has 37 months from Judge Ellis.
And 73 months from Judge Jackson, but 30 don't count.
73+37-30=90
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This judge seemed to give a pretty reasonable amount. Not the max but a lot of it is being run consecutively so his full jail time looks to be around 7 years followed by about the same on probation. At his age that seems more along the lines of where it should and still likely winds up as a life sentence for him.
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I mean she stated reason enough why 30 months had to be knocked out due to it being concurrent. I'm just kind of upset she went light on the witness tampering.
Still. If his lawyers are going to appeal the 30 month overlap, they have to do it two times because it's two different counts against him. So if last week's sentencing on that count got overturned, he'd still have the full 60 months from today.
and probation for around the same period after he gets out. Given his proven inability to stop committing crimes there is a non trivial chance of him violating probation nearly instantly.
I mean she stated reason enough why 30 months had to be knocked out due to it being concurrent. I'm just kind of upset she went light on the witness tampering.
Still. If his lawyers are going to appeal the 30 month overlap, they have to do it two times because it's two different counts against him. So if last week's sentencing on that count got overturned, he'd still have the full 60 months from today.
I think his witness tampering should have been taken more seriously. Like your criminal activity before you're caught is one thing, but he was caught. He had an opportunity to cooperate, but instead chose to continue breaking the law on multiple occasions. Then made a plea deal, and had another opportunity to cooperate or show remorse and sincerity and still he continued to break the law by trying to deceive investigators.
That shows real and serious criminal intent even after you've been convicted of other crimes. That deserves more than 1 year.
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This doesn't actually mean much. There's a wide band between "A wheelchair is the best option" and "can't ever stand". Given what we know of his claimed medical issues this is entirely reasonable.
(It's also reasonable he's faking, because Manafort, but this isn't a reason why)
I honestly am in disbelief that part of their argument is “I wouldn’t have been caught if it weren’t for that meddling special counsel”
Yeah but I still want to see some "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" memes out in the wild.
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It is possible he is faking it but also could be like my friend where he can't stand for any real length of time so tends to use the wheel chair to get around and then stand/walk for areas a wheel chair can't easily transverse. Still this is pretty much standard playbook of trying to look weak and vulnerable to snowball a judge so hard to say.
I'll ratchet it back, that was just a real bad sign for Manafort as it strongly implied to me that we were gonna see at least part of the sentence be consecutive.
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This was a perfectly justified sentence, and well within the guidelines. If she had taken his other sentence into account, that would have been easily appealable.
7.5 years by my math.
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Count 2 adds 13 months consecutively. Here's why it was low:
For everything.
Popehat just stated a total time of 7.5 years before parole/good conduct reductions.
Ellis’ sentence was inexcusable, but Jackson’s is fine.
Not really pleased with this. Especially since the man is getting basically VIP treatment in prison.
If you get two counts against you for 12 months that are concurrent, you're only serving 12 months, not 24.
I'd say a combined sentence for the crimes he's guilty of being 11 years less than the minimum sentencing guideline for one of this two trials is very close to nothing.
None of this touched on any Russian collusion at all. If he had a role in that and it can be proven he could still be charged with that. This was for his shenanigans as an unregistered foreign agent of Ukraine and stuff he did with banks trying to hide the money he was paid for that work.
Edit: Oh, and the witness tampering trying to hide the above.
And 73 months from Judge Jackson, but 30 don't count.
73+37-30=90
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This judge seemed to give a pretty reasonable amount. Not the max but a lot of it is being run consecutively so his full jail time looks to be around 7 years followed by about the same on probation. At his age that seems more along the lines of where it should and still likely winds up as a life sentence for him.
He got 47 months from Ellis last week, 60+13 from Jackson just now, 30 of which don't count.
47+60+13-30=90
10 years consecutively iirc
Still. If his lawyers are going to appeal the 30 month overlap, they have to do it two times because it's two different counts against him. So if last week's sentencing on that count got overturned, he'd still have the full 60 months from today.
and probation for around the same period after he gets out. Given his proven inability to stop committing crimes there is a non trivial chance of him violating probation nearly instantly.
I think his witness tampering should have been taken more seriously. Like your criminal activity before you're caught is one thing, but he was caught. He had an opportunity to cooperate, but instead chose to continue breaking the law on multiple occasions. Then made a plea deal, and had another opportunity to cooperate or show remorse and sincerity and still he continued to break the law by trying to deceive investigators.
That shows real and serious criminal intent even after you've been convicted of other crimes. That deserves more than 1 year.