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[Hiberno-Britannic Politics] Million To One Shot Now Odds On Favourite

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited April 2019
    japan wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Presumably multiple donations of £499 and such would get tagged?

    The electoral commission only have direct oversight of what is reported to them. In any case, an investigation likely wouldn't reveal much unless the party kept detailed records of the source of the donations, which they aren't required to.

    Voluntary disclosure and record keeping laws are stupid.

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    V1mV1m Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Presumably multiple donations of £499 and such would get tagged?

    By noted law-followers and respectors of the purity of the electoral process, UKIP?

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    The government is getting rid of Section 21 evictions where a landlord can say that someone has to leave rented accommodation within eight weeks of a fixed term contract end

    Obviously the National Landlords Association is kicking up a fuss but as everyone who isn't a landlord agrees that by and large Landlords are a fucking nightmare no-one cares. Excellent news for any renter (not that I am one, but still) good on the government for that.

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    LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    As a renter I am very very happy.

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    jaziekjaziek Bad at everything And mad about it.Registered User regular
    This and the stopping of fees from letting agents are a string of good news for renters.
    Still, it'd be preferable for people to be able to afford a house. But oh well.

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    klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    I can afford a home if I can find a home that's worth buying.
    I had a promising one in mind, until I saw some news stories about new build homes. Got an independent surveyor to check it out, and it turns out that the stuff between the bricks was most accurately classified as sand rather than anything with real adhesive properties.

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    NyysjanNyysjan FinlandRegistered User regular
    jaziek wrote: »
    This and the stopping of fees from letting agents are a string of good news for renters.
    Still, it'd be preferable for people to be able to afford a house. But oh well.
    Able to afford, yes, that would be great.
    But not necessarily to own.
    Renting, provided there are actual protections and regulations in place, and being enforced, is great for those who do not want, or can't, deal with all the hassles of house ownership.

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    Anarchy Rules!Anarchy Rules! Registered User regular
    What's crazy is that this is the first piece of legislation to come along in a really long time.

    What's even more interesting is whether the government can even pass it or not. Usually headlines such as 'government will....' are a given because they obviously command a majority. Not sure the government truly does anymore, with the complete breakdown in party discipline.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    If Labour voted against it because it was a government bill I'd never vote for them again in my life. This is undeniably a good thing for anyone who has to rent i.e large numbers of working people and families. Section 21 evictions result in 48% of the homelessness in the country apparently.

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    Anarchy Rules!Anarchy Rules! Registered User regular
    Tories are the party of landlords and homeowners, so I'm betting that it will rely on Labour support to pass (which I also hope happens).

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    So are these evictions like "Your lease is up for the year, you have to leave in 8 weeks" or something?

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    AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    Can someone elaborate on "fixed term contact end" for the yank?

    I know the US has pissawful rental laws, but isn't you leaving when your lease is up (and one of the parties doesn't want to continue) how rentals... work?

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited April 2019
    Your fixed term contract is you have a contract to live there for six months or whatever.

    Section 21 evictions are basically the six months are up, now fuck off. No reason needed, just because. I think it can be as early as eight weeks prior to leaving.

    Obviously this is used by shitty landlords to evict people who make legitimate complaints about the state of the property and the landlord (i.e there's damp, you need to sort it/right we'll section 21 you, and get a new tenant who won't complain).

    Essentially a landlord needs a good reason to evict someone now. If you're selling the property, or if they breach the terms etc, then you can evict through the court, think it's section 8?

    A landlord provides someone their home. It's not a usual service and should absolutely be treated as a critical utility i.e the electricity company can't just say "we don't want you as a customer, we're cutting you off" or whatever. If you're a landlord and you provide them with their home you shouldn't be able to summarily evict them because you don't like that they don't speak English at home, or complain about your shit service, or whatever.

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    BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    Aioua wrote: »
    Can someone elaborate on "fixed term contact end" for the yank?

    I know the US has pissawful rental laws, but isn't you leaving when your lease is up (and one of the parties doesn't want to continue) how rentals... work?

    It's actually pretty common - basically expected - that at the end of a rental contract here the tenant will continue to stay at the property indefinitely. Either the fixed contract's dates get updated or it turns into an open ended contract.

    Most landlords don't want to go through the hassle of finding a new tenant if the current one's not terrible, most tenants don't want the hassle of finding a new place to live if the current one's not terrible. It's win/win.

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    surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
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    note how split leave preference is vs remain

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
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    note how split leave preference is vs remain

    It looks to me like Leave voters are overwhelmingly pro-apocalypse vs any actual real Brexit.

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    a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    That makes sense, yeah? The people who want the UK to Leave want them to LEAVE - it's easy to sell a dream that dramatic change will fix <thing that you're worried about> instead of the actual incremental work of government.

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    jaziekjaziek Bad at everything And mad about it.Registered User regular
    That does show that the swing from leave to remain is smaller than the swing from remain to leave.

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    surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    yes although depends how you ask - do not votes split heavily remain, which is where polling lead comes from, but in no deal / may deal vs remain referendums the remain defection is only about 10% vs 20% for leave

    the "ok with compromise" remainers split remain push comes to shove

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    surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
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    note how split leave preference is vs remain

    It looks to me like Leave voters are overwhelmingly pro-apocalypse vs any actual real Brexit.

    of course! leave was never a policy proposal, it was a feeling, and people selling the strongest possible version of that feeling will always beat people who attempt to negotiate with the real. for the most exquisitely painful demonstration of this watch any discussion involving rory stewart trying to sell the may deal to leavers - if people are pushing hard nationalism hard fantasy you cannot give them half as much and tell them its good, as the people saying BUT WE CAN HAVE MORE without having to prove anything will always win. they radicalised their own supporters and are now reaping the rewards

    the problem with impossible promises...

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    Redcoat-13Redcoat-13 Registered User regular
    I work for a proactive council in the department that deals with the private rental sector and I could tell of some real horror stories.

    But yeah section 21’s put a lot of people off reporting anything.

    I fair amount of landlords just think having a property is enough; they’ll fight tooth and nail to make improvements / repairs to a property because that kind of thing doesn’t increase the rent.

    It’s bizarre because catching and sorting things early saves you money vs just leaving things until it becomes too unsafe.

    Went to one house which had a massive crack through the middle, like the house was splitting in half and to say the agent was being aggressive about who reported the issue is an understatement.

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    surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    Redcoat-13 wrote: »
    I work for a proactive council in the department that deals with the private rental sector and I could tell of some real horror stories.

    But yeah section 21’s put a lot of people off reporting anything.

    I fair amount of landlords just think having a property is enough; they’ll fight tooth and nail to make improvements / repairs to a property because that kind of thing doesn’t increase the rent.

    It’s bizarre because catching and sorting things early saves you money vs just leaving things until it becomes too unsafe.

    Went to one house which had a massive crack through the middle, like the house was splitting in half and to say the agent was being aggressive about who reported the issue is an understatement.

    it is incredibly difficult to explain to, say, a child what purpose landlords actually serve - like why are they allowed to just have the rights to be given money for doing fucking nothing. its one of those necessary evils that needs to be mitigated things but it really is where the classic socialist critique is pretty hard to counter

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    Redcoat-13Redcoat-13 Registered User regular
    Redcoat-13 wrote: »
    I work for a proactive council in the department that deals with the private rental sector and I could tell of some real horror stories.

    But yeah section 21’s put a lot of people off reporting anything.

    I fair amount of landlords just think having a property is enough; they’ll fight tooth and nail to make improvements / repairs to a property because that kind of thing doesn’t increase the rent.

    It’s bizarre because catching and sorting things early saves you money vs just leaving things until it becomes too unsafe.

    Went to one house which had a massive crack through the middle, like the house was splitting in half and to say the agent was being aggressive about who reported the issue is an understatement.

    it is incredibly difficult to explain to, say, a child what purpose landlords actually serve - like why are they allowed to just have the rights to be given money for doing fucking nothing. its one of those necessary evils that needs to be mitigated things but it really is where the classic socialist critique is pretty hard to counter

    It’s pretty hard to explain the point of some agents as well (some quite well known ones).

    We’ve had some that have actively made things worse (I.e. not telling landlords about problem) to just straight up lying.

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Redcoat-13 wrote: »
    I work for a proactive council in the department that deals with the private rental sector and I could tell of some real horror stories.

    But yeah section 21’s put a lot of people off reporting anything.

    I fair amount of landlords just think having a property is enough; they’ll fight tooth and nail to make improvements / repairs to a property because that kind of thing doesn’t increase the rent.

    It’s bizarre because catching and sorting things early saves you money vs just leaving things until it becomes too unsafe.

    Went to one house which had a massive crack through the middle, like the house was splitting in half and to say the agent was being aggressive about who reported the issue is an understatement.

    "So you're saying if I wait a bit longer I'll have two units to let?"

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    CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    Redcoat-13 wrote: »
    I work for a proactive council in the department that deals with the private rental sector and I could tell of some real horror stories.

    But yeah section 21’s put a lot of people off reporting anything.

    I fair amount of landlords just think having a property is enough; they’ll fight tooth and nail to make improvements / repairs to a property because that kind of thing doesn’t increase the rent.

    It’s bizarre because catching and sorting things early saves you money vs just leaving things until it becomes too unsafe.

    Went to one house which had a massive crack through the middle, like the house was splitting in half and to say the agent was being aggressive about who reported the issue is an understatement.

    it is incredibly difficult to explain to, say, a child what purpose landlords actually serve - like why are they allowed to just have the rights to be given money for doing fucking nothing. its one of those necessary evils that needs to be mitigated things but it really is where the classic socialist critique is pretty hard to counter

    I don't have a conceptual problem with people who own property receiving financial compensation for allowing other people to live in it, that seems fair, otherwise they have no incentive to take lodgers. It just has to go along with the acceptance that responsibilities come with the rent cheque. Being a landlord is essentially selling a service, the shelter and the maintenance of said shelter, the problem with this simple arrangement arises when too many people think they can take the money but not provide the service in return.

    The number of issues we see pop up just show it's a market that's been left devoid of regulation for far too long.

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    AlphaRomeroAlphaRomero Registered User regular
    The other issue is they charge as much as they can possibly get away with which is often well above what a mortgage would cost, so they are either gouging some hard working individual so hard they will never have enough to own their own home, or gouging your local council. It's a profit making exercise for people wealthy enough to own more than one home.

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    There's a reason the economic term is literally called rent seeking.

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
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    note how split leave preference is vs remain

    It looks to me like Leave voters are overwhelmingly pro-apocalypse vs any actual real Brexit.

    of course! leave was never a policy proposal, it was a feeling, and people selling the strongest possible version of that feeling will always beat people who attempt to negotiate with the real. for the most exquisitely painful demonstration of this watch any discussion involving rory stewart trying to sell the may deal to leavers - if people are pushing hard nationalism hard fantasy you cannot give them half as much and tell them its good, as the people saying BUT WE CAN HAVE MORE without having to prove anything will always win. they radicalised their own supporters and are now reaping the rewards

    the problem with impossible promises...

    Literally every policy debate over the right in the US too. Eg - healthcare

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    The value of the land in a lot of very high demand areas is so much more than whatever the value of the actual building is that you can make massive profits without needing to worry much about providing decent service and shelter because potential customers don't really have a ton of options.

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    ApogeeApogee Lancks In Every Game Ever Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
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    note how split leave preference is vs remain

    It looks to me like Leave voters are overwhelmingly pro-apocalypse vs any actual real Brexit.

    Looks like the Remain voters have a lot of 'couldn't be arsed' people. I wonder if they'd actually vote in a second referendum?

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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    No one actually thought it would happen.
    So why bother?

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    BethrynBethryn Unhappiness is Mandatory Registered User regular
    Did Not Vote could also be underaged, right?

    ...and of course, as always, Kill Hitler.
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    Hi I'm Vee!Hi I'm Vee! Formerly VH; She/Her; Is an E X P E R I E N C E Registered User regular
    Honestly I'm surprised even 4% of people who voted Remain in the referendum said No Deal in the poll.

    What about the last 2 years made you change your mind on crashing out?

    I thought maybe it was some of the "I just want it to be over" crowd, but it says "first choice" so like....who are these people?

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Honestly I'm surprised even 4% of people who voted Remain in the referendum said No Deal in the poll.

    What about the last 2 years made you change your mind on crashing out?

    I thought maybe it was some of the "I just want it to be over" crowd, but it says "first choice" so like....who are these people?

    The margin for error.

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    TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    10% of the electorate couldn't vote then but can now.

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    BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    Honestly I'm surprised even 4% of people who voted Remain in the referendum said No Deal in the poll.

    What about the last 2 years made you change your mind on crashing out?

    I thought maybe it was some of the "I just want it to be over" crowd, but it says "first choice" so like....who are these people?

    There is apparently a small and spectacularly badly informed section of the population that think "No Deal" means "No Brexit".

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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    Burnage wrote: »
    Honestly I'm surprised even 4% of people who voted Remain in the referendum said No Deal in the poll.

    What about the last 2 years made you change your mind on crashing out?

    I thought maybe it was some of the "I just want it to be over" crowd, but it says "first choice" so like....who are these people?

    There is apparently a small and spectacularly badly informed section of the population that think "No Deal" means "No Brexit".

    Right, because Parliament voted against No Deal, so that clearly means you can't Brexit without a deal, therefore wait no that's not how it works at all.

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    Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    No one actually thought it would happen.
    So why bother?

    Non binding advisory political stunts don't usually drive turnout.

    Post hoc making it binding when it squeezed through fired a lot of people up

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    GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    edited April 2019
    moniker wrote: »
    Honestly I'm surprised even 4% of people who voted Remain in the referendum said No Deal in the poll.

    What about the last 2 years made you change your mind on crashing out?

    I thought maybe it was some of the "I just want it to be over" crowd, but it says "first choice" so like....who are these people?

    The margin for error.

    Specifically the error is people who misremember what they voted for or dont understand what the results mean

    Otherwise its impossible to get positive values for such things if they do not exist.

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    Alistair HuttonAlistair Hutton Dr EdinburghRegistered User regular
    No one actually thought it would happen.
    So why bother?

    Non binding advisory political stunts don't usually drive turnout.

    Post hoc making it binding when it squeezed through fired a lot of people up

    At 72% turnout it was the highest uk wide turnout vote since 1992.

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