He also says he's "challenged" Hunt to the ITV debate, which is held after most Tory party members have received their postal voting forms and a bunch of them will inevitably have voted. Hunt has been appropriately contemptuous of someone ducking ten fights and demanding one later.
Those of you who were told Johnson's private life was off limits will be surprised to find out that it's totally within limits when they're staging a lovey dovey hand holding photo with his girlfriend in Sussex to fend off accusations of him being a shitbag. More updates as they come in.
While it was expected (he's the presumptive, and can only screw himself, given he's a buffoon), I do hope the other(s?*) absolutely hammer him on "Is this what leadership is? Expecting to be given the job, without feeling you need to fight for it?"
* I've lost track of how big the field is now. Is it just one, or is it more than?
I honestly think they should just give Hunt an uninterrupted platform to talk about whatever he likes. That should be the standard response to politicians chickening out of public scrutiny. You don't like having the worlds brightest spotlight shone on all your ideas and motivations? Tough shit, you don't get to be leader of the country then. You may be able to pull strings and rely on the support of your friendly mob in the domestic setting but when you're out there representing us on the international stage an empty suit who can only win with a stacked deck is no use to anyone.
May did this as well, I can't believe it's an optional thing.
Televised debates between party leaders during a GE is only a relatively recent thing. Televised debates for party leadership elections are not really part of the regular political landscape in the UK.
I appreciate that this particular party leadership election will also determine the PM, and scrutiny is absolutely required in a much greater degree than is currently able to be bought to bear on Johnson, but I don't think we're anywhere near it being a mandatory part of the process.
Just for those of us not fully familiar, it's clear BoJo is a clusterfuck from the go, but is the other guy any better (grading on a scale, he's clearly an asshole or he wouldn't have made it this far in Tory politics), or is it pick your poison equally terrible?
He said at the hustings the other day that he’d visited a factory that employed 300 people which would absolutely go out of business in the event of a no deal and stated that oh well that’s the price we’d have to pay. So he’s still an absolute shitpunnet.
Just for those of us not fully familiar, it's clear BoJo is a clusterfuck from the go, but is the other guy any better (grading on a scale, he's clearly an asshole or he wouldn't have made it this far in Tory politics), or is it pick your poison equally terrible?
He's still very bad but not as very bad, though he has a similar line in embarrassing public moments:
Just for those of us not fully familiar, it's clear BoJo is a clusterfuck from the go, but is the other guy any better (grading on a scale, he's clearly an asshole or he wouldn't have made it this far in Tory politics), or is it pick your poison equally terrible?
I mean Hunt is not quite equally terrible
They are both terrible in distinctive and unique ways, above and beyond generic Tory terrible
Just for those of us not fully familiar, it's clear BoJo is a clusterfuck from the go, but is the other guy any better (grading on a scale, he's clearly an asshole or he wouldn't have made it this far in Tory politics), or is it pick your poison equally terrible?
Definitely better than Boris but that leaves a vast gulf to be awful in. At least it would be a change to have a PM not from Eton.
There already seems to be a certain amount of political Stockholm syndrome setting in for Hunt. "Save us from Boris" and all that; some people (not necessarily here, but I've run into them IRL) seem to be forgetting how awful Hunt is, just because he's not quite as awful as Johnson.
You don't have to forget how awful he is to believe he's the best of the two, awful options.
Leave.EU (the ultra arsehole Brexit campaign) are currently boasting that Johnson is a shoo-in because of their entryism campaign that saw thousands of Brexit-happy nutters join the Tory party since 2017.
You don't have to forget how awful he is to believe he's the best of the two, awful options.
Leave.EU (the ultra arsehole Brexit campaign) are currently boasting that Johnson is a shoo-in because of their entryism campaign that saw thousands of Brexit-happy nutters join the Tory party since 2017.
Between Faragist entryism in the Conservative party and we’re-not-militant-we-swear entryism in Labour it feels like a particularly strong moment for quasi-Leninist politics right now
He said at the hustings the other day that he’d visited a factory that employed 300 people which would absolutely go out of business in the event of a no deal and stated that oh well that’s the price we’d have to pay. So he’s still an absolute shitpunnet.
It's basically a war mentality which condones casualties because the greatness of the nation is at stake or whatever
Just for those of us not fully familiar, it's clear BoJo is a clusterfuck from the go, but is the other guy any better (grading on a scale, he's clearly an asshole or he wouldn't have made it this far in Tory politics), or is it pick your poison equally terrible?
Definitely better than Boris but that leaves a vast gulf to be awful in. At least it would be a change to have a PM not from Eton.
You don't have to forget how awful he is to believe he's the best of the two, awful options.
Leave.EU (the ultra arsehole Brexit campaign) are currently boasting that Johnson is a shoo-in because of their entryism campaign that saw thousands of Brexit-happy nutters join the Tory party since 2017.
Between Faragist entryism in the Conservative party and we’re-not-militant-we-swear entryism in Labour it feels like a particularly strong moment for quasi-Leninist politics right now
Political parties are supposed to fight this shit off. It's one of the things you need to have happen to keep democracies from falling apart.
You don't have to forget how awful he is to believe he's the best of the two, awful options.
Leave.EU (the ultra arsehole Brexit campaign) are currently boasting that Johnson is a shoo-in because of their entryism campaign that saw thousands of Brexit-happy nutters join the Tory party since 2017.
Between Faragist entryism in the Conservative party and we’re-not-militant-we-swear entryism in Labour it feels like a particularly strong moment for quasi-Leninist politics right now
Political parties are supposed to fight this shit off. It's one of the things you need to have happen to keep democracies from falling apart.
At the time it probably looked like their plan was working - promise the referendum and the UKIP guys start to join your Party.
And the guys at the top probably don't realise quite how small the party is, other than perhaps remembering the actual number as an odd bit of trivia. They see the party more as the influence it has rather than it's members.
He said at the hustings the other day that he’d visited a factory that employed 300 people which would absolutely go out of business in the event of a no deal and stated that oh well that’s the price we’d have to pay. So he’s still an absolute shitpunnet.
As a leadership election move though it is masterful. Whilst Boris waffles and evades of what he actually means by leaving on October 31st Hunt has got in their and said he'd God damn fucking do it and pull the fuck g trigger and ruin people's lives. It makes it seem more real that he would actually Brexit. Which is where Hunt need to hit, he is seen as the Remainers by an electorate of psychotic Leavers. He has just spoken their language in a way Boris never has.
He said at the hustings the other day that he’d visited a factory that employed 300 people which would absolutely go out of business in the event of a no deal and stated that oh well that’s the price we’d have to pay. So he’s still an absolute shitpunnet.
As a leadership election move though it is masterful. Whilst Boris waffles and evades of what he actually means by leaving on October 31st Hunt has got in their and said he'd God damn fucking do it and pull the fuck g trigger and ruin people's lives. It makes it seem more real that he would actually Brexit. Which is where Hunt need to hit, he is seen as the Remainers by an electorate of psychotic Leavers. He has just spoken their language in a way Boris never has.
Boris Johnson has admitted he would need EU co-operation to avoid a hard Irish border or crippling tariffs on trade in the event of no deal.
In an exclusive interview with the BBC, the favourite to be next prime minister said: "It's not just up to us."
But he said he did "not believe for a moment" the UK would leave without a deal, although he was willing to do so.
He insisted it was possible to broker a new deal with the EU before the end of October because the political landscape had changed in the UK and on the continent.
"I think actually that politics has changed so much since 29 March," he said, referring to the original Brexit deadline.
"I think on both sides of the Channel there's a really different understanding of what is needed."
The EU needs to quarantine the UK to try to contain the stupid.
Mr Johnson said he would be able to persuade Brussels to resolve the Irish border issue - a key sticking point - despite repeated warnings from EU leaders that that was impossible.
He said there were "abundant, abundant technical fixes" that could be made to avoid border checks.
Abundant technical fixes, you say? FUCKING LIST THEM
When challenged that these do not exist yet, Mr Johnson replied: "Well, they do actually, you have in very large measure they do, you have trusted trader schemes, all sorts of schemes that you could put into place."
Anybody who knows how trusted trader schemes work facepalmed at this, surely.
It goes on, but I'm getting too angry to type coherently astfglasdhouhf.
The abundant technical fixes are special economic areas, that just push the border back across a series of lesser borders within Ireland rather than one big one where it meets NI. Ireland is not super-excited about this option.
You don't have to forget how awful he is to believe he's the best of the two, awful options.
Leave.EU (the ultra arsehole Brexit campaign) are currently boasting that Johnson is a shoo-in because of their entryism campaign that saw thousands of Brexit-happy nutters join the Tory party since 2017.
Between Faragist entryism in the Conservative party and we’re-not-militant-we-swear entryism in Labour it feels like a particularly strong moment for quasi-Leninist politics right now
Political parties are supposed to fight this shit off. It's one of the things you need to have happen to keep democracies from falling apart.
At the time it probably looked like their plan was working - promise the referendum and the UKIP guys start to join your Party.
And the guys at the top probably don't realise quite how small the party is, other than perhaps remembering the actual number as an odd bit of trivia. They see the party more as the influence it has rather than it's members.
This is literally the thing you aren't supposed to do. Everyone always sees themselves as the canny political operative who's going to channel the populist extremists into political power and then just ignore them. It doesn't work. They will gut you like social services in a Tory budget and wear you as a skin-suit.
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Boris Johnson has admitted he would need EU co-operation to avoid a hard Irish border or crippling tariffs on trade in the event of no deal.
In an exclusive interview with the BBC, the favourite to be next prime minister said: "It's not just up to us."
But he said he did "not believe for a moment" the UK would leave without a deal, although he was willing to do so.
He insisted it was possible to broker a new deal with the EU before the end of October because the political landscape had changed in the UK and on the continent.
"I think actually that politics has changed so much since 29 March," he said, referring to the original Brexit deadline.
"I think on both sides of the Channel there's a really different understanding of what is needed."
The EU needs to quarantine the UK to try to contain the stupid.
Mr Johnson said he would be able to persuade Brussels to resolve the Irish border issue - a key sticking point - despite repeated warnings from EU leaders that that was impossible.
He said there were "abundant, abundant technical fixes" that could be made to avoid border checks.
Abundant technical fixes, you say? FUCKING LIST THEM
When challenged that these do not exist yet, Mr Johnson replied: "Well, they do actually, you have in very large measure they do, you have trusted trader schemes, all sorts of schemes that you could put into place."
Anybody who knows how trusted trader schemes work facepalmed at this, surely.
It goes on, but I'm getting too angry to type coherently astfglasdhouhf.
He must really think he has this in the bag because he is not playing to the right audience at all
Boris Johnson has admitted he would need EU co-operation to avoid a hard Irish border or crippling tariffs on trade in the event of no deal.
In an exclusive interview with the BBC, the favourite to be next prime minister said: "It's not just up to us."
But he said he did "not believe for a moment" the UK would leave without a deal, although he was willing to do so.
He insisted it was possible to broker a new deal with the EU before the end of October because the political landscape had changed in the UK and on the continent.
"I think actually that politics has changed so much since 29 March," he said, referring to the original Brexit deadline.
"I think on both sides of the Channel there's a really different understanding of what is needed."
The EU needs to quarantine the UK to try to contain the stupid.
Mr Johnson said he would be able to persuade Brussels to resolve the Irish border issue - a key sticking point - despite repeated warnings from EU leaders that that was impossible.
He said there were "abundant, abundant technical fixes" that could be made to avoid border checks.
Abundant technical fixes, you say? FUCKING LIST THEM
When challenged that these do not exist yet, Mr Johnson replied: "Well, they do actually, you have in very large measure they do, you have trusted trader schemes, all sorts of schemes that you could put into place."
Anybody who knows how trusted trader schemes work facepalmed at this, surely.
It goes on, but I'm getting too angry to type coherently astfglasdhouhf.
He must really think he has this in the bag because he is not playing to the right audience at all
Really? His audience is conservative party members, and no-one else. Note how often he keeps going on about the consequences of this going wrong. Not for the country, not for people, but for the parties. A massive economic crash and increased tensions with Europe, Scotland, and Northern Ireland are a small price to pay if the alternative is the Conservative Party suffering in an election.
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"It is not beyond the wit of man to make it happen" is such a bizzare buzzword. Nothing's changed; the Irish border is still a Serious Problem for Brexit.
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What bothers me is why Hunt isn't smiling? Is he trying to look statesmanlike?
Budget airline gates are still always crowded because of the luggage space issues
Yeah. Not smiling in an airport may be the closest thing to a human response from Hunt in ages.
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While it was expected (he's the presumptive, and can only screw himself, given he's a buffoon), I do hope the other(s?*) absolutely hammer him on "Is this what leadership is? Expecting to be given the job, without feeling you need to fight for it?"
* I've lost track of how big the field is now. Is it just one, or is it more than?
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Camera lingers on an empty chair.
I wonder if they could do an HIGNFY and just put a tub of lard in Boris' place.
Televised debates between party leaders during a GE is only a relatively recent thing. Televised debates for party leadership elections are not really part of the regular political landscape in the UK.
I appreciate that this particular party leadership election will also determine the PM, and scrutiny is absolutely required in a much greater degree than is currently able to be bought to bear on Johnson, but I don't think we're anywhere near it being a mandatory part of the process.
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He's still very bad but not as very bad, though he has a similar line in embarrassing public moments:
I mean Hunt is not quite equally terrible
They are both terrible in distinctive and unique ways, above and beyond generic Tory terrible
Definitely better than Boris but that leaves a vast gulf to be awful in. At least it would be a change to have a PM not from Eton.
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Between Faragist entryism in the Conservative party and we’re-not-militant-we-swear entryism in Labour it feels like a particularly strong moment for quasi-Leninist politics right now
It's basically a war mentality which condones casualties because the greatness of the nation is at stake or whatever
May wasn't from Eton
Ideally I'd like a PM who wasn't from Oxbridge
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Political parties are supposed to fight this shit off. It's one of the things you need to have happen to keep democracies from falling apart.
At the time it probably looked like their plan was working - promise the referendum and the UKIP guys start to join your Party.
And the guys at the top probably don't realise quite how small the party is, other than perhaps remembering the actual number as an odd bit of trivia. They see the party more as the influence it has rather than it's members.
As a leadership election move though it is masterful. Whilst Boris waffles and evades of what he actually means by leaving on October 31st Hunt has got in their and said he'd God damn fucking do it and pull the fuck g trigger and ruin people's lives. It makes it seem more real that he would actually Brexit. Which is where Hunt need to hit, he is seen as the Remainers by an electorate of psychotic Leavers. He has just spoken their language in a way Boris never has.
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But did he put that statement on a bus?
Abundant technical fixes, you say? FUCKING LIST THEM
Anybody who knows how trusted trader schemes work facepalmed at this, surely.
It goes on, but I'm getting too angry to type coherently astfglasdhouhf.
This is literally the thing you aren't supposed to do. Everyone always sees themselves as the canny political operative who's going to channel the populist extremists into political power and then just ignore them. It doesn't work. They will gut you like social services in a Tory budget and wear you as a skin-suit.
He must really think he has this in the bag because he is not playing to the right audience at all
Really? His audience is conservative party members, and no-one else. Note how often he keeps going on about the consequences of this going wrong. Not for the country, not for people, but for the parties. A massive economic crash and increased tensions with Europe, Scotland, and Northern Ireland are a small price to pay if the alternative is the Conservative Party suffering in an election.
toecurlingly awful