JUST IN: A British judge blocks the extradition of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange to the US on espionage charges. The US said it will appeal.
The long and the short of it is that the judge feels Assange is a danger to himself and the US will not give the UK assurances that he will receive the proper care while in custody so the judge says, "No. Not gonna do it."
US says they will file an appeal on the matter while Assange's lawyers want him to be given a bail hearing.
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Who else wants Assange? In addition to "potentially terrible treatment", he's also on the potential pardon list.
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zepherinRussian warship, go fuck yourselfRegistered Userregular
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Our prisons are pretty terrible, but our low security federal prisons are not so bad. I have it on good authority that is the way to go. It's the state and county prisons that are the worst. Federal prisons are generally more humane.
Although interesting fact, you are more likely to get seriously injured in a UK prison than a Federal US prison.
It's really weird statistics, whatever UK has been doing in their prisons over the last 5 years. Has drastically increased the number and severity of the prison assaults (or maybe there is increased reporting and they've always been this bad).
Our prisons are pretty terrible, but our low security federal prisons are not so bad. I have it on good authority that is the way to go. It's the state and county prisons that are the worst. Federal prisons are generally more humane.
Although interesting fact, you are more likely to get seriously injured in a UK prison than a Federal US prison.
It's really weird statistics, whatever UK has been doing in their prisons over the last 5 years. Has drastically increased the number and severity of the prison assaults (or maybe there is increased reporting and they've always been this bad).
Well he'd likely to be looking at a high security prison and torture.
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zepherinRussian warship, go fuck yourselfRegistered Userregular
Our prisons are pretty terrible, but our low security federal prisons are not so bad. I have it on good authority that is the way to go. It's the state and county prisons that are the worst. Federal prisons are generally more humane.
Although interesting fact, you are more likely to get seriously injured in a UK prison than a Federal US prison.
It's really weird statistics, whatever UK has been doing in their prisons over the last 5 years. Has drastically increased the number and severity of the prison assaults (or maybe there is increased reporting and they've always been this bad).
Well he'd likely to be looking at a high security prison and torture.
Knowing our administration they'd probably try to send him to Florence. Which has been referred to as a quiet super clean version of hell.
Our prisons are pretty terrible, but our low security federal prisons are not so bad. I have it on good authority that is the way to go. It's the state and county prisons that are the worst. Federal prisons are generally more humane.
Although interesting fact, you are more likely to get seriously injured in a UK prison than a Federal US prison.
It's really weird statistics, whatever UK has been doing in their prisons over the last 5 years. Has drastically increased the number and severity of the prison assaults (or maybe there is increased reporting and they've always been this bad).
The US is #3 in the world for recidivism. Our prison industry is fucked and should be torn down to bare grass and rebuilt in a Norwegian model / restorative justice.
Not saying that Assange should get off with a slap on the wrist. Even in Norway, the penalties for espionage are up to 15 years in prison.
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I think its debatable that Assange would be subjected to any of what makes the US prison system the worst of the industrialized world. Chelsea went through hell but how much of that was just for being trans?
This might all be moot as I expect Trump to pardon Assange anyway.
JUST IN: A British judge blocks the extradition of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange to the US on espionage charges. The US said it will appeal.
The long and the short of it is that the judge feels Assange is a danger to himself and the US will not give the UK assurances that he will receive the proper care while in custody so the judge says, "No. Not gonna do it."
US says they will file an appeal on the matter while Assange's lawyers want him to be given a bail hearing.
Kind of ballsy for Assanges lawyers to ask for a bail hearing when I’m pretty sure he skipped bail to get into the Embassy
Our prisons are pretty terrible, but our low security federal prisons are not so bad. I have it on good authority that is the way to go. It's the state and county prisons that are the worst. Federal prisons are generally more humane.
Although interesting fact, you are more likely to get seriously injured in a UK prison than a Federal US prison.
It's really weird statistics, whatever UK has been doing in their prisons over the last 5 years. Has drastically increased the number and severity of the prison assaults (or maybe there is increased reporting and they've always been this bad).
Well he'd likely to be looking at a high security prison and torture.
Knowing our administration they'd probably try to send him to Florence. Which has been referred to as a quiet super clean version of hell.
Like for fucking real, anybody looking for a severely bad time go ahead and read about Florence supermax, like literally do not let them take you alive
Our prisons are pretty terrible, but our low security federal prisons are not so bad. I have it on good authority that is the way to go. It's the state and county prisons that are the worst. Federal prisons are generally more humane.
Although interesting fact, you are more likely to get seriously injured in a UK prison than a Federal US prison.
It's really weird statistics, whatever UK has been doing in their prisons over the last 5 years. Has drastically increased the number and severity of the prison assaults (or maybe there is increased reporting and they've always been this bad).
The person in charge of prisons in the UK from 2012 to 2015 was Chris Grayling (yes, that Chris Grayling. Huge ideas to revolutionise the system, zero experience or competence in doing so). Michael Gove then spent a year trying to unfuck things before Brexit meant that there have been 5 Secretary of States for Justice since Grayling, many of which were main players in the breakdown of Theresa May's government around Brexit on various sides, so divided priorities.
So basically they were completely Grayling'd, and then nothing was really done at all for the next five years leaving them roughly 10 years behind. There's also apparently been a lot of incidents of violence around drug related violence in recent years on top of a complete lack of progress in the last decade.
Chelsea was also not in the civilian population, I thought.
Being in solitary confinement is a danger to one's mental and physical health.
Oh, I know, I meant she was in military lockup, wasn't she?
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It’s worth noting that the judge flatly rejected all of the “but he’s just a journalist!” claims, and the decision rested entirely on concerns about Assange’s potential mental health if he ended up in the US prison system.
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I'd be worried about Trump dishing out a pardon before he's booted from office, if I was the UK.
Why, if we wanted to charge him we would. He's spent most time in Ecuadorian custody.
If the US doesn't want him he can get booted back to Aus, he's no right to live and work in the UK far as I know.
I wonder if the Biden Administration would be willing to extradite Anne Sacoolas, the wife of a Trump appointed American diplomat that killed a British teenager, in exchange for Assange.
Black lives matter.
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I wonder if the Biden Administration would be willing to extradite Anne Sacoolas, the wife of a Trump appointed American diplomat that killed a British teenager, in exchange for Assange.
I'd settle for a president. Preferably Bush, since he's being treated to a redemption arc at the moment.
Provided the US can bring relevant charges that aren't just being upset at having their war crimes exposed.
The intelligence asset angle makes Assange way more valuable than a normal prisoner too.
He's well past being good for that.
I'm willing to bet that any connections or meetings that may have occurred have been ferreted out and researched. Contacts traced and bank accounts analyzed. I doubt there's any secrets he's holding on to which have any value to anyone but him.
Any intelligence agency worth their salt has been spelunking through ass since before he went into hiding and have found whatever worthwhile nuggets there were to be found.
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The intelligence asset angle makes Assange way more valuable than a normal prisoner too.
He's well past being good for that.
I'm willing to bet that any connections or meetings that may have occurred have been ferreted out and researched. Contacts traced and bank accounts analyzed. I doubt there's any secrets he's holding on to which have any value to anyone but him.
Any intelligence agency worth their salt has been spelunking through ass since before he went into hiding and have found whatever worthwhile nuggets there were to be found.
Yes in the litter box
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But if it is true, then Assange has found a lawyer who is as ethically bankrupt as he is. Which is no mean feat.
The long and the short of it is that the judge feels Assange is a danger to himself and the US will not give the UK assurances that he will receive the proper care while in custody so the judge says, "No. Not gonna do it."
US says they will file an appeal on the matter while Assange's lawyers want him to be given a bail hearing.
But also fuck him.
Will he be in prison some more in the UK for his hiding from the law for 10 years? That'd be something at least.
Further:
Although interesting fact, you are more likely to get seriously injured in a UK prison than a Federal US prison.
It's really weird statistics, whatever UK has been doing in their prisons over the last 5 years. Has drastically increased the number and severity of the prison assaults (or maybe there is increased reporting and they've always been this bad).
Well he'd likely to be looking at a high security prison and torture.
Not saying that Assange should get off with a slap on the wrist. Even in Norway, the penalties for espionage are up to 15 years in prison.
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This might all be moot as I expect Trump to pardon Assange anyway.
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Kind of ballsy for Assanges lawyers to ask for a bail hearing when I’m pretty sure he skipped bail to get into the Embassy
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Like for fucking real, anybody looking for a severely bad time go ahead and read about Florence supermax, like literally do not let them take you alive
Being trans
Being a known pedophile
Being considered a traitor to the US
This is just in regards to the general prison population.
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Nice chart to figure out how honest a news source is.
Being in solitary confinement is a danger to one's mental and physical health.
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The person in charge of prisons in the UK from 2012 to 2015 was Chris Grayling (yes, that Chris Grayling. Huge ideas to revolutionise the system, zero experience or competence in doing so). Michael Gove then spent a year trying to unfuck things before Brexit meant that there have been 5 Secretary of States for Justice since Grayling, many of which were main players in the breakdown of Theresa May's government around Brexit on various sides, so divided priorities.
So basically they were completely Grayling'd, and then nothing was really done at all for the next five years leaving them roughly 10 years behind. There's also apparently been a lot of incidents of violence around drug related violence in recent years on top of a complete lack of progress in the last decade.
Oh, I know, I meant she was in military lockup, wasn't she?
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Why, if we wanted to charge him we would. He's spent most time in Ecuadorian custody.
If the US doesn't want him he can get booted back to Aus, he's no right to live and work in the UK far as I know.
Her cell was literally the kind laid out in the diagram Hobnail posted, except she didn't have a television in the cell.
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I think they are referencing her most recent detention for contempt of court, which was just regular prison solitary confinement.
Ah, I was confused. She did solitary last time as well.
He could literally do that right now.
It is, in fact, literal torture. At least according to the UN Committee Against Torture and the European Court of Justice.
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I'd settle for a president. Preferably Bush, since he's being treated to a redemption arc at the moment.
Provided the US can bring relevant charges that aren't just being upset at having their war crimes exposed.
hmm so no extradition, but no bail either, what's next for assange?
Maybe this time he won't get to smear shit on the walls.
He's well past being good for that.
I'm willing to bet that any connections or meetings that may have occurred have been ferreted out and researched. Contacts traced and bank accounts analyzed. I doubt there's any secrets he's holding on to which have any value to anyone but him.
Any intelligence agency worth their salt has been spelunking through ass since before he went into hiding and have found whatever worthwhile nuggets there were to be found.
Yes in the litter box
He was planning on smearing shit on a canvas and selling it as modern art to raise a bail fund.
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