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[Star Wars Thread] Solid... I’m going to say analysis?
italianranma
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Bogart wrote:Anyway, the Star Wars thread [has been], on a regular basis, absolutely awful. I mean just downright terrible. Bad-tempered, endlessly rehashing old and tedious arguments, constantly taking what is a fun franchise about space wizards more seriously than, say, anything else. It was awful both to read and to be a part of. This thread may well go the same way, in which case it'll probably go on a break, just like Ross and Rachel, if you catch my hepcat cultural references. But I would urge you to not be a part of that decline into spittle-flecked yelling. If you catch yourself writing with a frown on your face, take a moment to ask yourself if, in fact, you wouldn't be better off not posting the long, detailed and enraged screed about why someone is wrong, and instead shrug and say oh well it doesn't really matter anyway.
It would be foolish to say that The Last Jedi Debate has ended, but I think we’ve reached a general armistice agreement with all the peace and fragility of the Korean Peninsula. Please don’t try to decide which side of the line the two arguments fall on. Regardless if you want to talk about The Last Jedi in this thread it’s your prerogative, but don’t be surprised at either the lack or surprising fervor of participants. Last Jedi Analysis videos:
Movies With Mickey: How we view Star Wars:
Just Write's Why We Can't Agree About The Last Jedi & Character Arcs
Lessons From The Screenplay:
Wisecrack's What Went Wrong, and other videos critical of the movie:
https://youtu.be/Ij5fWCAnBPY
https://youtu.be/KVgc6YlyjzEJust Write's Why We Can't Agree About The Last Jedi & Character Arcs
https://youtu.be/XJhOpY7bh6s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE7SkcoyVAILessons From The Screenplay:
https://youtu.be/GYN2Lp9oHMkWisecrack's What Went Wrong, and other videos critical of the movie:
https://youtu.be/dLYUc5t6wag
https://youtu.be/CuuDTnMPMgc
https://youtu.be/f83D18xL7VEMore people have seen Solo: A Star Wars Disaster, and enthusiasm for discussing it reflects its box office performance. I mean, I still think it’s good. Maybe one of the best worst Star Wars movies ever. Easily in my top 5. Here are some cool YouTubes to watch about it:
https://youtu.be/3TPY4TKo6uQ
https://youtu.be/g2BeT8FlYUAHey, do you wanna talk about how awesome KOTOR was? My favorite part was seeing the d20 rolls and the automatic calculation of your Ability & Proficiency modifiers compared to the enemy’s Armor Class. I can’t wait to see this visceral combat brought to the big screen.
https://youtu.be/S75mJN_kpMUOk, ok. I know why you’re really here; it’s to hype on Kylo’s (that’s not “Kyle’s” autocorrect!) new helmet and other Rise of Skywalker speculation.
Trailer! Kylo Ren reacts! Tweets!
https://youtu.be/adzYW5DZoWs
https://youtu.be/wjOkdyr6Cr8飛べねぇ豚はただの豚だ。
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Lucasfilm: “We’re working on a KOTOR movie.”
Star Wars fans: “Yay!”
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Am I missing something?
Well, I think your entire premise, that Star Wars fans want something that is new and isn't a rehash of what came before, is faulty.
Empire Strikes Back
Star Wars
The Last Jedi
Rogue One
The Force Awakens
Return of the Jedi
Solo
Revenge of the Sith
Attack of the Clones
The Phantom Menace
The top of the list is the most difficult for me. 2-5 could swap around on a daily basis depending on my mood. But I think this is the most stable configuration currently.
Also, Star Wars fans are not one hive mind.
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Yes, I think we can all agree with that.
Can we?
Top Tier:
Empire Strikes Back
Star Wars
Return of the Jedi
Mid Tier:
The Force Awakens
Rogue One
The Last Jedi
Bottom Tier:
Solo
Everything Else
Rogue One has a singular advantage in that I don't really watch any of the trilogy movies unless I'm watching all of them.
Also if Jedi had used Wookies that were run away slave labor (make the conflict that they just want to steal the rebel shuttle and go home, not fight) it'd maybe be my favorite of the trilogy. Such a great final chapter otherwise.
Solo I like a little more then average but it is the biggest casualty to "The Star Wars formula" in existence.
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For me personally I came too late to KOTOR to appreciate it. Besides the extremely dated graphics, I just wasn’t impressed by the gameplay. I’ve been playing and running D&D since 1996, and aside from the novelty of seeing it automated I was confused why anyone would base a game engine on it. Finally while I can appreciate the characters, nothing makes me roll my eyes harder than fan gushing over the concept of “grey Jedi.”
That being said I did like SW:TOR, and the animated intros all seem sufficiently Star Wars, so I could be excited for that.
I’d argue the KOTOR stories are remembered more fondly because they were released between AOTC and ROTS.
They’re good stories, but there’s a lot to sift through to get good a good movie.
I'm biased, though, because I run a Star Wars tabletop game and every. single. player. thinks their grey Jedi character is the most unique thing ever, but they are all just assholes that lift rocks and mind control anybody that puts up a hint of resistance.
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After I shut down the Grey Jedi circus my players came up with they showed up to our Edge of the Empire game with Futurama characters instead. I couldn’t stay mad at them... But only because I killed them all in the first space battle at the end of the session.
I don't think video games translate to movies very well, and trying cram KotOR into 90-120min is going to fail. Revan's origin story in the comics is probably a better place to start, it's pretty straightforward and leaves more room for writers to write. If you're going to make a trilogy about Revan, maybe Fall / Revenge / Redemption.
You need better players, my dude.
But if they go with, “not really evil, just trying to toughen up the Republic” I’m out.
If they go, “mind-whammied by a Sith Emperor” I’m really out.
And I don’t think there’s a good way to do the twist. I mean, you either have the problem of doing it in order, which kills the twist or you have to go back and do a prequel to satisfy everyone who will want to see DR in action.
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Revan was such a chump he had to turn into two chumps just to fit all his chumpitude
Revan lived happily everafter with Carth, it is known. If this doesn’t become established cannon, the fanfic writers will riot.
But I think Revan's story is pretty interesting and cool.
Up to KotOR2, anyway. Where Revan's story ends and they wrote no more about him ever.
It was even dumber than I was imagining
I absolutely think that the number of fans that sincerely want something fresh and new from Star Wars are in the minority, unfortunately.
Trying to figure out something like this is just going to be hellish for the franchise. Do you mean long-time fans? Young new fans? Older new fans? Old old fans? And then there's further splitting things up between people who want stuff from the EU, people perfectly happy to see the EU gone, people who want SW that subverts expectations, people who want SW to match expectations (and that splits down into all sorts of things as well).
To an extent, I can't even blame (all) the fans anymore because the SW franchise has been allowed to become so fractured and aimless that trying to pick anything to make is just a huge mess. Just in my own case, I was ambivalent about ditching the EU, annoyed as hell they kept the PT, and supremely disappointed that the ST setting is dominated by a considerably less-interesting and version of the Empire. So they ditched a bunch of goofy crap and a bunch of good stuff in order to keep a pile of definitely shitty material and then build on the originals with material every bit as schizophrenic as the EU anyway.
At this point, the biggest "fresh and new" they could pull off would be to finally settle on some consistency and quality in the setting, instead of letting material bounce around and contradict or hamstring other material in dumb ways.
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Its a good movie that has room for lots of stuff like this
I liked it. It doesn’t quite fit with the aesthetic of the original, but as a stand-alone piece it’s exciting.
Star Wars has its own set of themes/feels/etc. Perhaps people don't want something new and different because those things are the reason they like Star Wars? We saw this with the whole "grey Jedi" thing. People who were attracted to the duality of Light/Dark were iffy on the whole shades of grey thing that was introduced. Not everything has to have gritty realism or modern morals or have multiple subversions of themes.
And in the Star Wars Legacy comic, there's a more-or-less three way war between a resurgent Empire, the Galactic Alliance (which replaced the Republic), and the One Sith (so named because even though there's hundreds or thousands of them, they're supposedly united in cause).
Finn is my favorite part of the ST. He's not "the most" in any area, he's just a good soldier. I like his dynamic with Rey. Splitting them up and sending Finn on a shaggy dog story was not ideal.