....he forgot that was the point and now he's on some weird quixotic ego trip or something, burning all the goodwill he had garnered.
This one sounds the most believable, if only because it wouldn't be the first time that someone decides to do that. Beto really started to believe his own hype.
....he forgot that was the point and now he's on some weird quixotic ego trip or something, burning all the goodwill he had garnered.
This one sounds the most believable, if only because it wouldn't be the first time that someone decides to do that. Beto really started to believe his own hype.
I mean before other more credible people got involved I could see getting involved for fear that like Biden would be the nominee. But once the field was clearly not in need of his genericness? He should have read the room and helped in texas specifically and look for an opening there, be it being a congressman again, be it running for governor? Or maybe another senate run, president seems like a huge jump
Same with Buttgieg, he's a small time mayor that seems to struggle at that job, the jump doesn't feel justified.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Unfortunately either no one told him that his job was to take one for the team/greater good or he forgot that was the point and now he's on some weird quixotic ego trip or something, burning all the goodwill he had garnered.
The extremely online conspiracy take is that it is the PSA guys who made him run for president because they worked on that documentary of his Senate campaign (there's a point where they suggest running for pres is an option post-midterms, and to be fair at least one of them was very vocally boosting his entering the presidential primary at the end of 2018).
Of course this ignores O'Rourke has agency in his decisions, and if this were actually something that tipped his thoughts over the line, it speaks worse about O'Rourke than the former Obama staffers.
On another note (because it was raised in the ongoing "Kamala is a cop" discourse), continuing to toss out the annecdote that Bernie was a participant in the Civil Rights movement as a college student does not automatically absolve his responsibility of being more vocal about racial justice as presidential candidate for the US. As has been noted, he does attract young minority support, has now hired some of those folks in his 2020 campaign, and proposed new policies like his Thurgood Marshall plan which are encouraging. Let's not forget however, this is someone who poo-poo'ed the idea of reparations in 2016, meanwhile Warren has been very explicit about highlighting how her policies will specifically help PoC in addition to Americans more broadly.
I'm fine with him running for president conceptually, I think he's taken an unfair amount of flak just for deciding to do so. He was in Congress for six years; that's not a great resume, but it's not too bad. He ran an exceptional Senate campaign in the second-largest state, one which would easily have been good enough to win in any swing state--unfortunately, it was in deep-red Texas, which is why it's not really fair to bash on him for losing to Cruz. I'll take those two things over being the mayor of the 306th most populated city in the US (Buttigieg) let alone the resumes of the Yangs and Williamsons out there.
While it would have been more beneficial for Beto to announce a second Senate run ASAP after losing, he's under no obligation to do so, and I don't think the mere fact of choosing to run for president is any more egotistical than any of the other candidates making the same choice.
Where he has failed though is in the way he launched his campaign (running around on a glorified vacation to "find himself") and in how he's run it since then. That looked bad, and he hasn't comported himself that well since then. He doesn't have a clear message. I think if you could say he's on an ego trip, that's the reason why. If I were him I would have used my experience in Texas to beat the drum louder and better than anybody else against Trump's immigration policy, right from the beginning. He's done that somewhat, but as Castro illustrated, he hasn't been nearly strong enough about it.
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I'm very glad that Bernie is putting his neck out on the issue of the occupation of Palestine. I hope it pushes Warren (who has made some problematic statements on the issue in the past) further in that direction. Don't have much hope that it will do the same for any of the other candidates. Bernie continues to have my favorite foreign policy perspective.
I do think/hope that Netanyahu's government becoming increasingly unhinged and far right over the years it might be easier for US politicians on the left to oppose the current US-Israel relationship, though as we saw with Ihlan Omar, it's still an uphill struggle even within the Democratic Party. edit- Likud's pro-GOP/pro-Trump politics also help us in this regard, as do generally changing attitudes on Israel among younger Americans
I'm very glad that Bernie is putting his neck out on the issue of the occupation of Palestine. I hope it pushes Warren (who has made some problematic statements on the issue in the past) further in that direction. Don't have much hope that it will do the same for any of the other candidates. Bernie continues to have my favorite foreign policy perspective.
I do think/hope that Netanyahu's government becoming increasingly unhinged and far right over the years it might be easier for US politicians on the left to oppose the current US-Israel relationship, though as we saw with Ihlan Omar, it's still an uphill struggle even within the Democratic Party. edit- Likud's pro-GOP/pro-Trump politics also help us in this regard, as do generally changing attitudes on Israel among younger Americans
Well, Netanyahu is trying to cancel the new elections he asked Likud to call for, so....
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I'm very glad that Bernie is putting his neck out on the issue of the occupation of Palestine. I hope it pushes Warren (who has made some problematic statements on the issue in the past) further in that direction. Don't have much hope that it will do the same for any of the other candidates. Bernie continues to have my favorite foreign policy perspective.
I do think/hope that Netanyahu's government becoming increasingly unhinged and far right over the years it might be easier for US politicians on the left to oppose the current US-Israel relationship, though as we saw with Ihlan Omar, it's still an uphill struggle even within the Democratic Party. edit- Likud's pro-GOP/pro-Trump politics also help us in this regard, as do generally changing attitudes on Israel among younger Americans
Honest question: how would you define or explain Bernie’s foreign policy? And what makes his approach different from, say, Obama’s (beyond rhetoric)?
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I'm very glad that Bernie is putting his neck out on the issue of the occupation of Palestine. I hope it pushes Warren (who has made some problematic statements on the issue in the past) further in that direction. Don't have much hope that it will do the same for any of the other candidates. Bernie continues to have my favorite foreign policy perspective.
I do think/hope that Netanyahu's government becoming increasingly unhinged and far right over the years it might be easier for US politicians on the left to oppose the current US-Israel relationship, though as we saw with Ihlan Omar, it's still an uphill struggle even within the Democratic Party. edit- Likud's pro-GOP/pro-Trump politics also help us in this regard, as do generally changing attitudes on Israel among younger Americans
Well, Netanyahu is trying to cancel the new elections he asked Likud to call for, so....
A move that just screams confidence in his coalition and popularity.
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Question: how come I’ve never seen anyone in here say “Klobuchar is a cop”?
Arguably her record is more “tough on crime” and pro-police than Harris ever was.
I think the only reason anyone here talks about Inslee is so many of us are from Washington.
We are always so ignored.
Honestly I do believe Inslee is committed to climate change in a way literally no one else running is and to me Climate change is the major "we are so fucked" issue in the long term.
Which is not to say other candidates wouldn't be good on it, but Inslee is primarily focused on it in a way I wish the party was.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Yeah I don't think anyone in this thread has strongly advocated for any of the 1% candidates... Which is a little unfortunate but understandable.
I mean, most of them are just kinda obviously not serious
I actually like inslee (for example) quite a bit... but he doesn’t feel like he’s really running to be president. It feels like this is an advocacy thing and he’ll be happy to run for governor again in a couple years.
it was the smallest on the list but
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
Also Beto is mostly just unlucky to be running this particular election; if the current incumbent weren’t such a lightning rod and the field weren’t so full there’d be more space for him to carve out a new/fresh face type of strategy. As it is he’s kind of a face in the crowd with not that much to set him apart
it was the smallest on the list but
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
Climate change is where I kind of bristle about economic messaging, because the coal industry jobs are one of those "we can't put those people out of work!!!" when based on our ever warming ball of fire we totally need to.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Climate change is where I kind of bristle about economic messaging, because the coal industry jobs are one of those "we can't put those people out of work!!!" when based on our ever warming ball of fire we totally need to.
Also it's literally cheaper the earlier we act. Doing nothing is the most expensive option
Yeah the whole Green New Deal messaging is kind of transparently ridiculous; it’s like if NASA came out and said ‘look, we think a meteor’s gonna hit the earth in 30 years and we need to get ready...’ and then politicians started talking about how we could create jobs in the meteor services sector.
But if that’s the only way we can make ourselves talk about collective action problems then I guess it’s the path we gotta take
it was the smallest on the list but
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I think the only reason anyone here talks about Inslee is so many of us are from Washington.
We are always so ignored.
Honestly I do believe Inslee is committed to climate change in a way literally no one else running is and to me Climate change is the major "we are so fucked" issue in the long term.
Which is not to say other candidates wouldn't be good on it, but Inslee is primarily focused on it in a way I wish the party was.
I respect the man for sticking to his guns with the understanding that literally nothing else matters in forty years if we don't act now.
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I've recently taken to watching Some More News. They did an episode on Joe Biden a few weeks ago and, with citation, make the case that he should primary challenge Donald Trump as a Republican. It's pretty fascinating, imo. I mean, I know nobody here likes Biden to begin with, but in case you know people that do support Biden, have them hear this stuff out and push for Biden to get out of the Democratic Primary.
I'm very glad that Bernie is putting his neck out on the issue of the occupation of Palestine. I hope it pushes Warren (who has made some problematic statements on the issue in the past) further in that direction. Don't have much hope that it will do the same for any of the other candidates. Bernie continues to have my favorite foreign policy perspective.
I do think/hope that Netanyahu's government becoming increasingly unhinged and far right over the years it might be easier for US politicians on the left to oppose the current US-Israel relationship, though as we saw with Ihlan Omar, it's still an uphill struggle even within the Democratic Party. edit- Likud's pro-GOP/pro-Trump politics also help us in this regard, as do generally changing attitudes on Israel among younger Americans
Honest question: how would you define or explain Bernie’s foreign policy? And what makes his approach different from, say, Obama’s (beyond rhetoric)?
First and foremost that the trend of authoritarian far-right "populism" is a real threat that calls for a concerted global effort to deal with, rather than just a problem for individual nations to sort out in their respective political economies (though it is far from ideal, see how the EU is slowly grappling with it on an intra-Europe level particularly with Hungary, Poland, and most recently, Austria).
More explicitly distance the US from countries we've traditionally done business (read arms sales with) with like Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Egypt in the face of current disingenuously bellicose rhetoric towards Iran.
Address the migration crises (particularly in the Americas) as part and parcel with climate change, and in particular with the Americas, address it as an issue beyond the US-Mexico border that requires more than just "smart security" and throwing some token monies/oversight to the "northern triangle" countries, which have in the past mitigated some of the issues that have been causing people to flee to the US, but have had tenuous protections from being rolled back (see Trump getting rid of funding for programs in Guatemala, which the government was all too happy to remove, for, I shit you not, announcing they would move their Israeli embassy to Jerusalem; this is what the Trump admin wanted in return for getting rid of aid/oversight to Guatemala).
That's off the top of my head, and that last point was brought up in his first debate performance.
Yeah the whole Green New Deal messaging is kind of transparently ridiculous; it’s like if NASA came out and said ‘look, we think a meteor’s gonna hit the earth in 30 years and we need to get ready...’ and then politicians started talking about how we could create jobs in the meteor services sector.
But if that’s the only way we can make ourselves talk about collective action problems then I guess it’s the path we gotta take
The would you save Miami question in the first debate was silly
That city is gone accept it
An activist group called the Sunrise Movement camped out in front of the DNC's offices for multiple days. Like Inslee, they are calling for a debate focused entirely on climate change:
the DNC’s so-called “exclusivity clause,” which became a source of conflict during the 2016 presidential primary, bars candidates who take part in unsanctioned debates from participating in subsequent official ones. Inslee called it a “gag rule.”...The DNC said the rule “was first implemented in 2016 to ensure that the debate schedule was reasonable and left time for candidates to campaign.”...“The DNC communicated the rules to every campaign at their initial briefing, including in March for the Inslee campaign, and no one objected,” Xochitl Hinojosa, a DNC spokeswoman, told HuffPost by email. “The DNC has also been very clear that candidates can participate in as many forums as they’d like.”
Apparently at least 14 candidates have said they support Inslee's call for a climate debate, which begs the question, why don't they just do it? What's the DNC gonna do, blacklist all the candidates?
August f that call the meeting now and decide you have votes ridding on this
It's not like the debate would be anytime soon if they held the vote tomorrow. This stuff takes time to plan.
I know but setting it up now will show you do care about the issue and are not tone deaf like a certain other party
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If they set itup now, then we have to listen to Marianne Williamson tell us that the way to heal the planet is with Love and this 5 shiny rings of different colours that she's found.
If they wait for a while before holding the debate, then they can get rid of some of the lesser knowns/also rans/not very serious candidates and give more time for the folks like Inslee, Warren, Harris, Biden, and Sanders to actually have something akin to a conversation about things.
August f that call the meeting now and decide you have votes ridding on this
It's not like the debate would be anytime soon if they held the vote tomorrow. This stuff takes time to plan.
I know but setting it up now will show you do care about the issue and are not tone deaf like a certain other party
Who knows if they can schedule it now. And it's not like the debate would happen before August anyway. They put it on the agenda, that's the important part.
If they set itup now, then we have to listen to Marianne Williamson tell us that the way to heal the planet is with Love and this 5 shiny rings of different colours that she's found.
If they wait for a while before holding the debate, then they can get rid of some of the lesser knowns/also rans/not very serious candidates and give more time for the folks like Inslee, Warren, Harris, Biden, and Sanders to actually have something akin to a conversation about things.
Not just 5-10 minutes to speak over 2 hours.
there is some value to waiting to organize it.
Who knows how long she is going to last is a problem as there are things in motion to make sure she doesn't drop out early. Tulsi Gabbard will just go on social media or other media and decry how unfair it was and it drew to/away focus to other pressing concerns. I do understand the value of waiting and seeing. Hurricane season hits it's stride from august-oct so that would be a news topic drawing away from the overall discussion on climate.
If they set itup now, then we have to listen to Marianne Williamson tell us that the way to heal the planet is with Love and this 5 shiny rings of different colours that she's found.
If they wait for a while before holding the debate, then they can get rid of some of the lesser knowns/also rans/not very serious candidates and give more time for the folks like Inslee, Warren, Harris, Biden, and Sanders to actually have something akin to a conversation about things.
Not just 5-10 minutes to speak over 2 hours.
there is some value to waiting to organize it.
The weird part is Climate Change may be the one part where she didn't go off into any of that, but instead said we needed to go for a Kennedian Moonshot project to tackle the issue.
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This one sounds the most believable, if only because it wouldn't be the first time that someone decides to do that. Beto really started to believe his own hype.
I mean before other more credible people got involved I could see getting involved for fear that like Biden would be the nominee. But once the field was clearly not in need of his genericness? He should have read the room and helped in texas specifically and look for an opening there, be it being a congressman again, be it running for governor? Or maybe another senate run, president seems like a huge jump
Same with Buttgieg, he's a small time mayor that seems to struggle at that job, the jump doesn't feel justified.
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The extremely online conspiracy take is that it is the PSA guys who made him run for president because they worked on that documentary of his Senate campaign (there's a point where they suggest running for pres is an option post-midterms, and to be fair at least one of them was very vocally boosting his entering the presidential primary at the end of 2018).
Of course this ignores O'Rourke has agency in his decisions, and if this were actually something that tipped his thoughts over the line, it speaks worse about O'Rourke than the former Obama staffers.
On another note (because it was raised in the ongoing "Kamala is a cop" discourse), continuing to toss out the annecdote that Bernie was a participant in the Civil Rights movement as a college student does not automatically absolve his responsibility of being more vocal about racial justice as presidential candidate for the US. As has been noted, he does attract young minority support, has now hired some of those folks in his 2020 campaign, and proposed new policies like his Thurgood Marshall plan which are encouraging. Let's not forget however, this is someone who poo-poo'ed the idea of reparations in 2016, meanwhile Warren has been very explicit about highlighting how her policies will specifically help PoC in addition to Americans more broadly.
While it would have been more beneficial for Beto to announce a second Senate run ASAP after losing, he's under no obligation to do so, and I don't think the mere fact of choosing to run for president is any more egotistical than any of the other candidates making the same choice.
Where he has failed though is in the way he launched his campaign (running around on a glorified vacation to "find himself") and in how he's run it since then. That looked bad, and he hasn't comported himself that well since then. He doesn't have a clear message. I think if you could say he's on an ego trip, that's the reason why. If I were him I would have used my experience in Texas to beat the drum louder and better than anybody else against Trump's immigration policy, right from the beginning. He's done that somewhat, but as Castro illustrated, he hasn't been nearly strong enough about it.
oh it'll be quite bad, actually.
I mean, somebody that's Jewish has to be the one to say it and start pushing for it. But it'll be ugly pretty fast.
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I do think/hope that Netanyahu's government becoming increasingly unhinged and far right over the years it might be easier for US politicians on the left to oppose the current US-Israel relationship, though as we saw with Ihlan Omar, it's still an uphill struggle even within the Democratic Party. edit- Likud's pro-GOP/pro-Trump politics also help us in this regard, as do generally changing attitudes on Israel among younger Americans
Well, Netanyahu is trying to cancel the new elections he asked Likud to call for, so....
Honest question: how would you define or explain Bernie’s foreign policy? And what makes his approach different from, say, Obama’s (beyond rhetoric)?
A move that just screams confidence in his coalition and popularity.
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Arguably her record is more “tough on crime” and pro-police than Harris ever was.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/2/25/18225011/amy-klobuchar-president-prosecutor-criminal-justice-record
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Because she's polling at like 2% and we mostly talk about how she's an abusive boss instead. If she was at Harris's level things would change.
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We are always so ignored.
Honestly I do believe Inslee is committed to climate change in a way literally no one else running is and to me Climate change is the major "we are so fucked" issue in the long term.
Which is not to say other candidates wouldn't be good on it, but Inslee is primarily focused on it in a way I wish the party was.
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I mean, most of them are just kinda obviously not serious
I actually like inslee (for example) quite a bit... but he doesn’t feel like he’s really running to be president. It feels like this is an advocacy thing and he’ll be happy to run for governor again in a couple years.
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Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
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Also it's literally cheaper the earlier we act. Doing nothing is the most expensive option
But if that’s the only way we can make ourselves talk about collective action problems then I guess it’s the path we gotta take
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
I respect the man for sticking to his guns with the understanding that literally nothing else matters in forty years if we don't act now.
First and foremost that the trend of authoritarian far-right "populism" is a real threat that calls for a concerted global effort to deal with, rather than just a problem for individual nations to sort out in their respective political economies (though it is far from ideal, see how the EU is slowly grappling with it on an intra-Europe level particularly with Hungary, Poland, and most recently, Austria).
More explicitly distance the US from countries we've traditionally done business (read arms sales with) with like Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Egypt in the face of current disingenuously bellicose rhetoric towards Iran.
Address the migration crises (particularly in the Americas) as part and parcel with climate change, and in particular with the Americas, address it as an issue beyond the US-Mexico border that requires more than just "smart security" and throwing some token monies/oversight to the "northern triangle" countries, which have in the past mitigated some of the issues that have been causing people to flee to the US, but have had tenuous protections from being rolled back (see Trump getting rid of funding for programs in Guatemala, which the government was all too happy to remove, for, I shit you not, announcing they would move their Israeli embassy to Jerusalem; this is what the Trump admin wanted in return for getting rid of aid/oversight to Guatemala).
That's off the top of my head, and that last point was brought up in his first debate performance.
The would you save Miami question in the first debate was silly
That city is gone accept it
An activist group called the Sunrise Movement camped out in front of the DNC's offices for multiple days. Like Inslee, they are calling for a debate focused entirely on climate change:
So far the DNC's position has been that there will be no such debate and that any candidate who participates in one will be blacklisted:
Apparently at least 14 candidates have said they support Inslee's call for a climate debate, which begs the question, why don't they just do it? What's the DNC gonna do, blacklist all the candidates?
But in any case, the Sunrise Movement recently tweeted this:
I can't find any independent confirmation, though.
Anyway it would be nice if we had a climate debate, because...
Nobody is voting this year.
Some make up their mind long before
It's not like the debate would be anytime soon if they held the vote tomorrow. This stuff takes time to plan.
I know but setting it up now will show you do care about the issue and are not tone deaf like a certain other party
If they wait for a while before holding the debate, then they can get rid of some of the lesser knowns/also rans/not very serious candidates and give more time for the folks like Inslee, Warren, Harris, Biden, and Sanders to actually have something akin to a conversation about things.
Not just 5-10 minutes to speak over 2 hours.
there is some value to waiting to organize it.
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Who knows if they can schedule it now. And it's not like the debate would happen before August anyway. They put it on the agenda, that's the important part.
Who knows how long she is going to last is a problem as there are things in motion to make sure she doesn't drop out early. Tulsi Gabbard will just go on social media or other media and decry how unfair it was and it drew to/away focus to other pressing concerns. I do understand the value of waiting and seeing. Hurricane season hits it's stride from august-oct so that would be a news topic drawing away from the overall discussion on climate.
The weird part is Climate Change may be the one part where she didn't go off into any of that, but instead said we needed to go for a Kennedian Moonshot project to tackle the issue.
(Meena Harris is an activist and Kamala Harris's niece)
Well Jersey and Virginia, but only because we take the stupidest approach to state elections.