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The [Overwatch] Thread: June Joust Starts May 21

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    BaidolBaidol I will hold him off Escape while you canRegistered User regular
    Oh my God is that a suit jacket over a T-shirt?

    Steam Overwatch: Baidol#1957
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    EinzelEinzel Registered User regular
    It's going to be very disappointing when Shock win. Then Vancouver are the only ones who didn't get a second chance.

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    SirToastySirToasty Registered User regular
    Einzel wrote: »
    It's going to be very disappointing when Shock win. Then Vancouver are the only ones who didn't get a second chance.

    But Shock had to play a gauntlet of 5 matches to get here. Titans only had to win 3.

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    CoinageCoinage Heaviside LayerRegistered User regular
    Shock look like they're hacking against the TITANS. Absolutely ridiculous

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    Rock Lobster!Rock Lobster! Registered User regular
    Choihyobin is so fucking good.

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    EinzelEinzel Registered User regular
    SirToasty wrote: »
    Einzel wrote: »
    It's going to be very disappointing when Shock win. Then Vancouver are the only ones who didn't get a second chance.

    But Shock had to play a gauntlet of 5 matches to get here. Titans only had to win 3.

    So they got more practice in the new meta, too.

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    SirToastySirToasty Registered User regular
    Einzel wrote: »
    SirToasty wrote: »
    Einzel wrote: »
    It's going to be very disappointing when Shock win. Then Vancouver are the only ones who didn't get a second chance.

    But Shock had to play a gauntlet of 5 matches to get here. Titans only had to win 3.

    So they got more practice in the new meta, too.

    And there's more film of their strategies on display. You can't start nitpicking down to that. The Shock have already had more chances to get knocked out than the Titans.

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    EinzelEinzel Registered User regular
    SirToasty wrote: »
    Einzel wrote: »
    SirToasty wrote: »
    Einzel wrote: »
    It's going to be very disappointing when Shock win. Then Vancouver are the only ones who didn't get a second chance.

    But Shock had to play a gauntlet of 5 matches to get here. Titans only had to win 3.

    So they got more practice in the new meta, too.

    And there's more film of their strategies on display. You can't start nitpicking down to that. The Shock have already had more chances to get knocked out than the Titans.

    Were there not a chasm of skill level between the top two and the rest, sure. What was SF's map record in the loser bracket, again?

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    Houk the NamebringerHouk the Namebringer Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    Einzel wrote: »
    SirToasty wrote: »
    Einzel wrote: »
    SirToasty wrote: »
    Einzel wrote: »
    It's going to be very disappointing when Shock win. Then Vancouver are the only ones who didn't get a second chance.

    But Shock had to play a gauntlet of 5 matches to get here. Titans only had to win 3.

    So they got more practice in the new meta, too.

    And there's more film of their strategies on display. You can't start nitpicking down to that. The Shock have already had more chances to get knocked out than the Titans.

    Were there not a chasm of skill level between the top two and the rest, sure. What was SF's map record in the loser bracket, again?

    If SF really is so much better than every other team, they deserve to win it all. Being in winner's bracket is an undeniable advantage, and if the Titans really are the better team they have no excuse for not winning the finals in a single best of seven. I get where you're coming from, I originally wanted there to be a possible bracket reset in the finals too, but with the current format I think it's fine as is.

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    EinzelEinzel Registered User regular
    Or just be single elim like every other sport?

    Why is Tizi in for Bumper? I can't find anything googling.

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    BaidolBaidol I will hold him off Escape while you canRegistered User regular
    Real sports have time constraints that esports don't. Double elimination tournaments make for better narratives due to the possibility of comebacks. The International, the main DOTA2 tournament with a prize pool of greater than $34 million, does double elimination.

    Bumper isn't in because Bumper can't play the necessary tanks. This has been true since the beginning of the playoff tournament.

    Steam Overwatch: Baidol#1957
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    CoinageCoinage Heaviside LayerRegistered User regular
    Einzel wrote: »
    Or just be single elim like every other sport?
    Well that's completely false so problem solved

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    SirToastySirToasty Registered User regular
    Einzel wrote: »
    Or just be single elim like every other sport?

    Why is Tizi in for Bumper? I can't find anything googling.

    Tizi has been playing all playoffs dude.

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    EinzelEinzel Registered User regular
    I know. Hence why I asked having not been able to find out why.

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    BaidolBaidol I will hold him off Escape while you canRegistered User regular
    I like the flashing bracelets.

    Steam Overwatch: Baidol#1957
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    Houk the NamebringerHouk the Namebringer Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    Baidol wrote: »
    Bumper isn't in because Bumper can't play the necessary tanks. This has been true since the beginning of the playoff tournament.

    More specifically, Bumper is really good at Rein, and...that's about it. At least in terms of being OWL level. Same thing that happened to Super, basically.

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    CoinageCoinage Heaviside LayerRegistered User regular
    SMS and Haksal looked like they just didn't know what to do all the time

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    Rock Lobster!Rock Lobster! Registered User regular
    Shock/Titans map 4
    Well, that was a thing that happened. Titans kinda looked like they just didn't prepare for this match.

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    BaidolBaidol I will hold him off Escape while you canRegistered User regular
    Choiyobin Post-match
    Oh noooooooo you're too short

    Steam Overwatch: Baidol#1957
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    Houk the NamebringerHouk the Namebringer Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    Shock/Titans map 4
    Well, that was a thing that happened. Titans kinda looked like they just didn't prepare for this match.
    To be fair, the Shock played a lot of not-quite-meta comps, especially their Bastion comps. Titans have always seemed really good at refining/perfecting an existing meta, but not so great when it comes to anticipating or adapting to off-meta or generally unexpected comps. Shock, meanwhile, seem much more pro-active about developing pocket strats and adapting in-game.

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    PerrsunPerrsun Registered User regular
    Heads up: If you log in to the game right now it's gonna tell you who won.

    So, if you don't want to know, don't play yet.

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    AshcroftAshcroft LOL The PayloadRegistered User regular
    Also don't check your emails if the owl store has it, they sent an email with the winner in the title

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    CoinageCoinage Heaviside LayerRegistered User regular
    I wonder they shouldn't be patching before finals anymore, watching the same stuff is boring but the meta shakeup is the main reason both grand finals have been lame

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    BaidolBaidol I will hold him off Escape while you canRegistered User regular
    I don't have a preference, but people will always complain about the meta and the best teams should be able to adapt to any meta.

    Steam Overwatch: Baidol#1957
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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    Baidol wrote: »
    I don't have a preference, but people will always complain about the meta and the best teams should be able to adapt to any meta.

    Yeah, my main complaint is that the Sigma meta is even more calcified generally than Goats was.

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    SirToastySirToasty Registered User regular
    edited September 2019
    Baidol wrote: »
    I don't have a preference, but people will always complain about the meta and the best teams should be able to adapt to any meta.

    Yeah, my main complaint is that the Sigma meta is even more calcified generally than Goats was.

    How's that? The only variation you ever saw in GOATs was Winston instead of Rein. Double barrier doesn't have any tank changes but there's 5 DPS and 5 supports that get rotated pretty regularly.

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    SirToasty wrote: »
    Baidol wrote: »
    I don't have a preference, but people will always complain about the meta and the best teams should be able to adapt to any meta.

    Yeah, my main complaint is that the Sigma meta is even more calcified generally than Goats was.

    How's that? The only variation you ever saw in GOATs was Winston instead of Rein. Double barrier doesn't have any tank changes but there's 5 DPS and 5 supports that get rotated pretty regularly.

    There was Winston 3-3, Rein 3-3. Healers changed based on circumstances. Then we got Sombra Goats with it's variations, and towards the end of the Goats meta we had all those goats variations against a ton of different DPS based comps. There was a lot more variety and it felt like a lot fewer mirror matches. Here, it's Sigma, Orisa, Moira almost 100% of the time (like Sigma was something like 96% pick rate with the remaining bits being desperation switches for stalling), Mercy/Lucio, and then 2 of Reaper, Doomfist, Mei, Pharah, Bastion, and that's it.

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    BionicPenguinBionicPenguin Registered User regular
    edited September 2019
    SirToasty wrote: »
    Baidol wrote: »
    I don't have a preference, but people will always complain about the meta and the best teams should be able to adapt to any meta.

    Yeah, my main complaint is that the Sigma meta is even more calcified generally than Goats was.

    How's that? The only variation you ever saw in GOATs was Winston instead of Rein. Double barrier doesn't have any tank changes but there's 5 DPS and 5 supports that get rotated pretty regularly.

    There was Winston 3-3, Rein 3-3. Healers changed based on circumstances. Then we got Sombra Goats with it's variations, and towards the end of the Goats meta we had all those goats variations against a ton of different DPS based comps. There was a lot more variety and it felt like a lot fewer mirror matches. Here, it's Sigma, Orisa, Moira almost 100% of the time (like Sigma was something like 96% pick rate with the remaining bits being desperation switches for stalling), Mercy/Lucio, and then 2 of Reaper, Doomfist, Mei, Pharah, Bastion, and that's it.

    You're comparing a meta that lasted for nearly a year to a meta that's been around for a month or so. Of course more heroes were seen over the course of GOATs.

    Even so, San Francisco alone played 12 different heroes tonight, by my count.

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    SirToastySirToasty Registered User regular
    GOATs always devolved to a mirror. Usually after two team fights. One team goes counter comp for whatever the other team starts with (Winston or Rein), the other team switches to counter-GOATs, first team switches to mirror. It was like clockwork. Yeah the healers changed but not on a map-to-map basis. They changed over the course of months. Moira was the initial main support pick, then Zen took over and it was Zen for a very long time. Ana started subbing in only when Sombra knocked D.va out of the lineup, which was like 11 months and 1 week into GOATs.

    It didn't help that everyone called everything GOATs for no reason.

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    Houk the NamebringerHouk the Namebringer Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    Also you only started seeing DPS heavy comps near the end of goats because everyone knew role lock was coming, so some teams decided it was in their best interest to try and get a head start on figuring out the next meta (or just finally figured out how to beat certain goats teams on certain maps, a la Dragons and Hunters).

    Give this meta a whole dang year and I promise it would look very different than it does now (but please god don't let any meta last more than a couple months, update faster Blizzard goddammit!)

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    SirToastySirToasty Registered User regular
    Fortunately, there's already a pretty big balance patch in the pipeline.

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    KwoaruKwoaru Confident Smirk Flawless Golden PecsRegistered User regular
    I heard they're finally gonna delete D.Va

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    CoinageCoinage Heaviside LayerRegistered User regular
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    BionicPenguinBionicPenguin Registered User regular
    I think Crusty has shown what having a great coach can do for a team. He was with Boston when they had their undefeated stage last season and now coached the undeniably best team in the league this season.

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    BaidolBaidol I will hold him off Escape while you canRegistered User regular
    I'm watching a stream of some of the Overwatch talent and just watched Reinforce flank the opposing spawn as Ana, solo kill the opposing 2 DPS as his own tanks got murdered, and then won the subsequent fight with his surviving dps.

    Steam Overwatch: Baidol#1957
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    CoinageCoinage Heaviside LayerRegistered User regular
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    PerrsunPerrsun Registered User regular
    edited October 2019
    As somebody that doesn’t really follow OWL, or esports outside of the big FGC stuff: do people think these cuts are kind of a “we didn’t win, so we’re cutting all these guys that didn’t help us win” type cut... or a “we’d better cut people because we ain’t got money” cut? Or something else?

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    mightyjongyomightyjongyo Sour Crrm East Bay, CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2019
    This one in particular was due to underperformance over the year. I think this copied tweet thread probably sums it up the best:

    edit: There are a few things that are going on with the league in general -- the season just ended, a lot of players are looking around as free agents since their contracts expired, and on top of that all teams are moving to their respective home locations, so many players are (probably) looking to transfer to teams that have a preferred location. The off season in general is the time to rebuild, so we were already going to see a lot of announcements like this as people are cut for performance reasons or to make space for up and coming players, but with all the other things going on it's a bit of a free for all. It's very rarely, if ever, due to the org not having enough money.

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    BionicPenguinBionicPenguin Registered User regular
    And for what it's worth, it sounds like Birdring was burnt out. He probably wanted out of pro Overwatch.

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