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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    Do proclamations like that last only for the day and year they are issued or are they a "from now on" sort of thing?

    Usually these things are a 1-day affair, not yearly.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    It's an election stunt.

    Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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    BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Do proclamations like that last only for the day and year they are issued or are they a "from now on" sort of thing?

    Usually these things are a 1-day affair, not yearly.

    Yeah, you need an act of Congress to institute an actual observable remembrance on a repeating basis. White House and state Governor's offices can issue one offs for about anything they want.

    GWBush had Texas observe a Jesus Christ day for instance.

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    It's an election stunt.
    Yeah no shit, that doesn't make it any less gross to the subject at hand. It's fucked up propaganda against immigrants and immigration.

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    TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    I mean, I knew the basic re-election pitch was "Brown people scary!" but I didn't think there would be an official Government proclamation to that effect.

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    Taramoor wrote: »
    I mean, I knew the basic re-election pitch was "Brown people scary!" but I didn't think there would be an official Government proclamation to that effect.
    The only thing that's surprising to me is that they had the foresight to save it as an election stunt. They've been incapable of holding themselves back this administration from doing racist things, like a kid stumbling on their first discarded porn magazine.

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    [Expletive deleted][Expletive deleted] The mediocre doctor NorwayRegistered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Do proclamations like that last only for the day and year they are issued or are they a "from now on" sort of thing?

    Usually these things are a 1-day affair, not yearly.

    Yeah, you need an act of Congress to institute an actual observable remembrance on a repeating basis. White House and state Governor's offices can issue one offs for about anything they want.

    GWBush had Texas observe a Jesus Christ day for instance.

    Christmas? Easter? One of the other seemingly 363 Jesus days of the year?

    Sic transit gloria mundi.
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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    Taramoor wrote: »
    I mean, I knew the basic re-election pitch was "Brown people scary!" but I didn't think there would be an official Government proclamation to that effect.
    The only thing that's surprising to me is that they had the foresight to save it as an election stunt. They've been incapable of holding themselves back this administration from doing racist things, like a kid stumbling on their first discarded porn magazine.

    I assume no one thought of it till yesterday.

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    BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    edited November 2020
    shryke wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Do proclamations like that last only for the day and year they are issued or are they a "from now on" sort of thing?

    Usually these things are a 1-day affair, not yearly.

    Yeah, you need an act of Congress to institute an actual observable remembrance on a repeating basis. White House and state Governor's offices can issue one offs for about anything they want.

    GWBush had Texas observe a Jesus Christ day for instance.

    Christmas? Easter? One of the other seemingly 363 Jesus days of the year?

    Nope, literally a Jesus Day

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    MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Do proclamations like that last only for the day and year they are issued or are they a "from now on" sort of thing?

    Usually these things are a 1-day affair, not yearly.

    Yeah, you need an act of Congress to institute an actual observable remembrance on a repeating basis. White House and state Governor's offices can issue one offs for about anything they want.

    GWBush had Texas observe a Jesus Christ day for instance.

    Christmas? Easter? One of the other seemingly 363 Jesus days of the year?

    Nope, literally a Jesus Day

    And this isn't an issue of separation of Church and State because "Fuck you, it's Jesus"?

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    ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User regular
    Taramoor wrote: »
    I mean, I knew the basic re-election pitch was "Brown people scary!" but I didn't think there would be an official Government proclamation to that effect.

    MillTrump declared this particular flavor of Brown People Scary Day at least once or twice before, I think.

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    MillMill Registered User regular
    It's an election stunt.

    Probably one of many that is going to blow up in his face. I seriously, doubt there were many shitty ass racist fuckers hesitating on voting because he was being a big of enough piece of shit racist. Probably makes plenty of others that were considering a pass on voting democratic, deciding that maybe they really should make sure Biden and democrats get as many votes as possible, to make sure Trump goes the fuck away.

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Mill wrote: »
    It's an election stunt.

    Probably one of many that is going to blow up in his face. I seriously, doubt there were many shitty ass racist fuckers hesitating on voting because he was being a big of enough piece of shit racist. Probably makes plenty of others that were considering a pass on voting democratic, deciding that maybe they really should make sure Biden and democrats get as many votes as possible, to make sure Trump goes the fuck away.

    It feels very inside-the-bubble, like a lot of stuff he's been doing lately. I doubt most people even notice, let alone care.

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    [Expletive deleted][Expletive deleted] The mediocre doctor NorwayRegistered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Do proclamations like that last only for the day and year they are issued or are they a "from now on" sort of thing?

    Usually these things are a 1-day affair, not yearly.

    Yeah, you need an act of Congress to institute an actual observable remembrance on a repeating basis. White House and state Governor's offices can issue one offs for about anything they want.

    GWBush had Texas observe a Jesus Christ day for instance.

    Christmas? Easter? One of the other seemingly 363 Jesus days of the year?

    Nope, literally a Jesus Day

    I got that. The joke was that we already have so many Jesus Days.

    Sic transit gloria mundi.
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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    so, anyone want to put together a post about the Chad Wolf thing?

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    ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User regular
    Is that the federal ruling that basically declares everything he's ever done as DHS head void?

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    Um okay, guess I'll do it.
    https://news.yahoo.com/federal-judge-rules-acting-dhs-222119242.html
    A federal judge in New York City on Saturday said Chad Wolf has not been acting lawfully as the chief of Homeland Security and that, as such, his suspension of protections for a class of migrants brought to the United States illegally as children is invalid.

    ...

    The judge described an illegitimate shuffling of leadership chairs at the Department of Homeland Security, the agency responsible for immigration enforcement, for the predicament of Wolf's leadership and that of his predecessor, Kevin McAleenan.

    "Based on the plain text of the operative order of succession," Garaufis wrote in the Saturday ruling, "neither Mr. McAleenan nor, in turn, Mr. Wolf, possessed statutory authority to serve as Acting Secretary. Therefore the Wolf Memorandum was not an exercise of legal authority."

    The ruling is part of an ongoing case with DACA recipient Martín Jonathan Batalla Vidal serving as the lead plaintiff in a six-plaintiff case against Wolf and the Department of Homeland Security. The suit initially challenged the state of Texas' attempt to thwart DACA.
    The problem is, ICE isn't going to comply accordingly and will still Gestapo their way around for the next couple of months.

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    [Expletive deleted][Expletive deleted] The mediocre doctor NorwayRegistered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    Um okay, guess I'll do it.
    https://news.yahoo.com/federal-judge-rules-acting-dhs-222119242.html
    A federal judge in New York City on Saturday said Chad Wolf has not been acting lawfully as the chief of Homeland Security and that, as such, his suspension of protections for a class of migrants brought to the United States illegally as children is invalid.

    ...

    The judge described an illegitimate shuffling of leadership chairs at the Department of Homeland Security, the agency responsible for immigration enforcement, for the predicament of Wolf's leadership and that of his predecessor, Kevin McAleenan.

    "Based on the plain text of the operative order of succession," Garaufis wrote in the Saturday ruling, "neither Mr. McAleenan nor, in turn, Mr. Wolf, possessed statutory authority to serve as Acting Secretary. Therefore the Wolf Memorandum was not an exercise of legal authority."

    The ruling is part of an ongoing case with DACA recipient Martín Jonathan Batalla Vidal serving as the lead plaintiff in a six-plaintiff case against Wolf and the Department of Homeland Security. The suit initially challenged the state of Texas' attempt to thwart DACA.
    The problem is, ICE isn't going to comply accordingly and will still Gestapo their way around for the next couple of months.

    "[He] has made his decision, now let him enforce it!"

    Sic transit gloria mundi.
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    MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    Um okay, guess I'll do it.
    https://news.yahoo.com/federal-judge-rules-acting-dhs-222119242.html
    A federal judge in New York City on Saturday said Chad Wolf has not been acting lawfully as the chief of Homeland Security and that, as such, his suspension of protections for a class of migrants brought to the United States illegally as children is invalid.

    ...

    The judge described an illegitimate shuffling of leadership chairs at the Department of Homeland Security, the agency responsible for immigration enforcement, for the predicament of Wolf's leadership and that of his predecessor, Kevin McAleenan.

    "Based on the plain text of the operative order of succession," Garaufis wrote in the Saturday ruling, "neither Mr. McAleenan nor, in turn, Mr. Wolf, possessed statutory authority to serve as Acting Secretary. Therefore the Wolf Memorandum was not an exercise of legal authority."

    The ruling is part of an ongoing case with DACA recipient Martín Jonathan Batalla Vidal serving as the lead plaintiff in a six-plaintiff case against Wolf and the Department of Homeland Security. The suit initially challenged the state of Texas' attempt to thwart DACA.
    The problem is, ICE isn't going to comply accordingly and will still Gestapo their way around for the next couple of months.

    Does give some more cover for Biden to crack down.

    Not that they need a whole lot of reason to burn shit down, but going from "following legal* but immoral orders", to "following illegal orders despite an explicit order from a judge", is a good excuse to assign someone with the authority to take a wrecking ball to the organization.
    * Legal by US metrics, not international law.

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    ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    Just soaking in that "court rules it's the white dude that's illegal, actually" energy.

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    HydropoloHydropolo Registered User regular
    Quoting from the Biden Cabinet Thread:
    enc0re wrote: »
    enc0re wrote: »
    And I fully realize that my views are not in line with most posters, who would prefer those present illegally receive a route that those trying to get here legally will not have access to.
    Who, exactly, has proposed this? The only thing I've seen in this area is that undocumented immigrants should have to pay fines and get in the back of the line to citizenship - and while they're waiting for a process that badly needs to be expedited, they have legal resident status. People who were able to enter legally still have the advantage here, and miss out on nothing.

    There isn’t a line to citizenship that we can simply put them in the back of. If there was, there wouldn’t be this problem. Oversimplification of a very complicated system follows:

    Under our current system, you need a reason to become a resident alien and then, after having been one for five years, you can apply for citizenship. The big three reasons are:
    1. Family, where a family member sponsors you. Currently we prioritize this path so it is by far the easiest. Detractors of this category call it chain migration.
    2. Employment, where an employer sponsors you. Currently this is tougher to get. Other countries make this the priority category and often end up with points-based systems.
    3. Asylum, where you can apply for yourself if your home country presents certain types of security risks to you.

    I am the type of immigrant who wants to see whatever system we offer to those who are here illegally to also be offered to those not here illegally. I.e. I do not want the act of coming/overstaying here illegally to create an advantage for you.

    I’m willing to make an exception for those who were brought here by their parents as minors. It’s still unfair as that means if I have a child and bring it here illegally it gets into a path, while if I try to apply from abroad it gets no path. But I have no better idea for those “dreamers” myself.

    This is not entirely accurate. There is also the ability to apply for no reason at all, though it's long, heavily capped, and basically a lottery. We're talking the better part of a decade for most countries. This is also assuming you have the money/time to pay all the fees and get all the required documentation and avoid the unknowable situations that can pop up and/or torpedo your claim. AND AGAIN avoiding the fact that CBP or any official along the way can basically veto you with no explanation at any point until you are into the country. When you are talking to people who are in danger of losing their lives due to violence or poverty, it's REALLY hard to blame them for ducking the process.

    Obviously this doesn't solve the problem, but no problem that purely addresses the immigration process can (though it can help alleviate some of the worst aspects). In addition to comprehensive immigration reform, a fair amount of effort needs to be put into reversing the damage our country did during the cold war to Central/South America. Most people would actually prefer to stay in their home countries if for no other reason than their family/culture/etc are there. Putting a lot of effort into helping build up economies and reducing gangs/cartels (and ending the fucking War on Drugs), would do more to control immigration than any wall or deportations or concentration camps ever will. It would also do wonders for the economies of all involved countries.

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    enc0reenc0re Registered User regular
    @Hydropolo thanks for bringing this over here where it belongs. I gotta take my (natural-born citizen!) kid to the doctor now but appreciate having this in the right thread. I got somewhat triggered by the claims about immigrants’ policy preferences that cropped up in the Biden Cabinet thread.

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    kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    I know I made a post about that there, so I hope it wasn't interpreted as "all immigrants think this way."

    My point was, "all the right-leaning people I personally know happen to be immigrants who lean that way mostly to stop other immigrants, legal and illegal, from entering." That's my personal experience. And it's very much "all right-leaning people I know" are this way, not "all immigrants I know" are whatever. I know many more immigrants with a wide variety of opinions :)

    Hope that clears up anything if there was a misunderstanding with my post!

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    MillMill Registered User regular
    I'm hoping the democrats make a point to pull up all the really, shitty things that ICE did, that didn't play well publicly during the next budget fight and likely through the inevitable government shutdown will have. Just hammer home how shitty DHS has been and outside of a few entities, the money has largely be wasted. I'd like to see the few worthwhile agencies moved back to better, worthwhile agencies and the whole thing dismantled. Ideally, I'd like to see ICE just get destroyed in the process and CBP get reigned in significantly (aka cut back on their jurisdiction range).

    Like I would love to see Biden make a point of dismantling the bullshit department that is DHS. it isn't just a waste of money, that failed at the original goal of making sure intelligence agencies talked to one another instead of engaging in tons of turf wars. It's become yet another blight on this country that has perpetuated human misery for the sake of cruelty.

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    MayabirdMayabird Pecking at the keyboardRegistered User regular
    As a reminder, downticket races are also important and those elections also have consequences. Three recently elected sheriffs in georgia and South Carolina will be cutting county police ties with ICE. All three are high-population countries (two suburbs of Atlanta and the one in South Carolina contains Charleston) and one of them in georgia had turned over 21,000 people to ICE in the last decade.

    And yeah, ICE should also just plain be abolished but I have serious doubts about that happening.

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    Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    Mayabird wrote: »
    As a reminder, downticket races are also important and those elections also have consequences. Three recently elected sheriffs in georgia and South Carolina will be cutting county police ties with ICE. All three are high-population countries (two suburbs of Atlanta and the one in South Carolina contains Charleston) and one of them in georgia had turned over 21,000 people to ICE in the last decade.

    And yeah, ICE should also just plain be abolished but I have serious doubts about that happening.

    Also relevent for the police brutality thread, as one of those sheriffs was the one who sandbagged Ahmaud Arbery's murder case.

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    RickRudeRickRude Registered User regular
    Has biden said anything about fixing the whole kids in cages and child separation policy? I hope with an adult in the office things will get better but the damage is probably already done.

    Fuck Trump.

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    JavenJaven Registered User regular
    RickRude wrote: »
    Has biden said anything about fixing the whole kids in cages and child separation policy? I hope with an adult in the office things will get better but the damage is probably already done.

    Fuck Trump.

    I think the extent of what they've said so far has mostly been:

    "it will still probably happen, but most likely a reversion to how it was under the Obama admin, because it's legal and it's the fault of Congress for not changing the law" and "we're still not decided whether we will allow parents back into the US to reunite with their children." I assume, absent parents coming here, they would send the kids back to their home country, but they haven't specified what that would look like, yet.

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    kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    RickRude wrote: »
    Has biden said anything about fixing the whole kids in cages and child separation policy? I hope with an adult in the office things will get better but the damage is probably already done.

    Fuck Trump.

    I think the extent of what they've said so far has mostly been:

    "it will still probably happen, but most likely a reversion to how it was under the Obama admin, because it's legal and it's the fault of Congress for not changing the law" and "we're still not decided whether we will allow parents back into the US to reunite with their children." I assume, absent parents coming here, they would send the kids back to their home country, but they haven't specified what that would look like, yet.

    Honestly there wasn't really widespread outrage or just... caring about this under Obama. Not that people didn't, but it wasn't as big a thing as now.

    Which makes me hopeful Biden will listen to people and do what he can.

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    KamarKamar Registered User regular
    My understanding was that kids were only held without their parents under Obama when they had to take parents into custody for something like criminal behavior? Is that incorrect?

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    SmrtnikSmrtnik job boli zub Registered User regular
    Kamar wrote: »
    My understanding was that kids were only held without their parents under Obama when they had to take parents into custody for something like criminal behavior? Is that incorrect?

    And then Trump admin said "all illegal crossings make them criminals" so it became "all of them".

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    zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    edited November 2020
    MorganV wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Do proclamations like that last only for the day and year they are issued or are they a "from now on" sort of thing?

    Usually these things are a 1-day affair, not yearly.

    Yeah, you need an act of Congress to institute an actual observable remembrance on a repeating basis. White House and state Governor's offices can issue one offs for about anything they want.

    GWBush had Texas observe a Jesus Christ day for instance.

    Christmas? Easter? One of the other seemingly 363 Jesus days of the year?

    Nope, literally a Jesus Day

    And this isn't an issue of separation of Church and State because "Fuck you, it's Jesus"?
    Establishment clause only binds congress, and only discusses laws.
    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.”

    It doesn't say, the Governor can't create a Holiday in Texas. As long as the holiday doesn't force anyone to do anything.
    There may be a first amendment argument, but I think with the current SCOTUS makeup they would take a narrow view, and would say that many holidays are religious in nature, and that the person making the claim does not have standing and has suffered no damages as the law does not cause harm (IE nobody is penalized for not enforcing jesus day.

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    zagdrobzagdrob Registered User regular
    edited November 2020
    Kamar wrote: »
    My understanding was that kids were only held without their parents under Obama when they had to take parents into custody for something like criminal behavior? Is that incorrect?

    Basically yes.

    Children that arrived alone of course couldn't be held with their parents, but if they arrived with non-custodial family members they were held together until their parents or proper legal guardians could be identified and reunited (assuming no fear of abuse, that sort of thing). In the case where a parent had to be taken into custody (for something serious enough they couldn't be temporarily held with their child) they would try to identify other family members who could care for the kid, even if it meant shuffling people around. I vaguely recall reading one case where the kid was flown from Arizona to NYC to be cared for by their legal resident aunt.

    Obama policies weren't great and there are lots of room to criticize even in the context of the shitty broken system he had to work with. But anyone trying to create an equivalency between Obama's policies on immigration and Trump's policies on immigration should be immediately suspect as either ignorant or acting in bad faith.

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    NobeardNobeard North Carolina: Failed StateRegistered User regular
    edited November 2020
    One focus of Biden's first 100 days is immigration reform. That means closing the concentration camps, right?

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/527470-immigration-executive-action-top-biden-preview-of-first-100-days

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Nobeard wrote: »
    One focus of Biden's first 100 days is immigration reform. That means closing the concentration camps, right?

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/527470-immigration-executive-action-top-biden-preview-of-first-100-days

    If it's not, we should probably hit the streets, because this is one of the easiest things Dems can do.

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    Not seeing details of what the reform is supposed to be, which means I'm not holding my breath.

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    ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    Hopefully families can be reunited and released on their own recognizance, but given the absolute disaster that Trump is leaving, I doubt it'll be as simple as saying "hey, guards, open the doors and fuck off, everyone can go". Properly settling the people in the camps is probably going to be quite an undertaking, especially in the winter (I'm not in the southern states regularly, but I'm guessing January/February aren't great to be cast out into without support?).

    Look at the cluster fuck that it was just identifying how many kids were separated and where they were (if it could even be established). Based on the fuckmuppetry of the current admin, some of those efforts may have to be started from scratch, or even worse due to misinformation with no reasonable ways to overcome it.

    Don't get me wrong, I want that humanitarian disaster ended, but I also can't see how they'll just get it knocked out in a weekend or something. I certainly hope that immediate resources are given to provide comfort, care, medical attention, food, water, living space, and more. Commandeer some empty hotels or something, I dunno. But I also hope people aren't expecting it to be sorted out without snags, or start losing their minds over excuses when the Biden team hasn't put out all of the dumpster fires in a week or two.

    That said, yeah, if they seem to be dragging their feet, hold those feet to the fire. Call, protest, etc. I do hope that they commit time and resources to doing it right, and that anger and ire are directed where it belongs (like, say, the Senate if the Democrats don't take Georgia's seats and McConnell is like "fuck your good will, their budget is now pocket lint and old chewing gum, lol".

    Biden/Harris are going to have to wade into a neck deep catastrofuck, and while the government is quite capable of doing multiple things at the same time, I highly suspect that immigration and climate change and LGBTQ rights and the hundreds of others that have been trampled for 4 years are going to take a while to rectify, and their Priority 1/2/3/4 will be someone else's 5/6/7/8.

    I dunno man, maybe I'm just rambling here, but even expecting stumbling points, even thinking they're vastly better for the job and I'm so glad they'll have a chance to stem the (figurative and literal) bleeding, I don't see how it isn't just a mess of people freaking out (rightfully so) about the thirty things that aren't being address (or aren't being addressed fast enough, or well enough).

    The last four years have been exhausting, and for many the work is just beginning.

    First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited November 2020
    Nobeard wrote: »
    One focus of Biden's first 100 days is immigration reform. That means closing the concentration camps, right?

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/527470-immigration-executive-action-top-biden-preview-of-first-100-days

    Probably not in that it's likely a far longer and more complicated process then "close the camps" implies. And it's not a problem likely solvable just by yelling at Biden more.

    Shit, look at Obama's attempts to Gitmo.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Nobeard wrote: »
    One focus of Biden's first 100 days is immigration reform. That means closing the concentration camps, right?

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/527470-immigration-executive-action-top-biden-preview-of-first-100-days

    Probably not in that it's likely a far longer and more complicated process then "close the camps" implies. And it's not a problem likely solvable just by yelling at Biden more.

    Shit, look at Obama's attempts to Gitmo.

    The problem with Gitmo is he needed congressional approval for funding of transferring prisoners. I don't believe the president needs authorization for any of this.

    I may be wrong, though.

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    kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Nobeard wrote: »
    One focus of Biden's first 100 days is immigration reform. That means closing the concentration camps, right?

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/527470-immigration-executive-action-top-biden-preview-of-first-100-days

    Probably not in that it's likely a far longer and more complicated process then "close the camps" implies. And it's not a problem likely solvable just by yelling at Biden more.

    Shit, look at Obama's attempts to Gitmo.

    The problem with Gitmo is he needed congressional approval for funding of transferring prisoners. I don't believe the president needs authorization for any of this.

    I may be wrong, though.

    It will still be complicated though. But something he should (imo) start immediately and speed of as much as he can.

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