So about an hour and a half ago my boss asked what the best workstation processor was right now, so I replied "3990x" without really thinking or inquiring why (thinking he was setting up a new machine for one of our research labs).
15 minutes later I wander into his office to ask him an unrelated question, he started complaining about how expensive processors have gotten, asked if there was any reason not to do Intel since the 9900k was so much cheaper.
Turns out he was trying to price out a new video recording/streaming rig for us, not an actual workstation. So now we're "only" getting a 3900x. I also, sadly, talked him down from a 2080ti to a 2070 Super since he had just blindly grabbed "best nvidia graphics card" results. Hopefully we are turning those savings into a new video camera, which will be far more useful to us. Still has to get approved separately by finance which sucks.
People buying 3990X-based systems for mundane office work is the current bane of my existence.
I mean, some of our research labs will probably legitimately upgrade to a 3990x in the next year or so, just because it makes more sense for us to do that than to have to rent out datacenter space and manage an extra server or two. But they're also, you know, doing actual research where having the PCI bandwidth for drives and multiple workstation graphics cards makes sense.
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There have been times when I wished my work machine was a 64 core monster
not enough to justify the purchase but
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minor incidentexpert in a dying fieldnjRegistered Userregular
edited February 2020
Yeah, the thing is that outside of a few niches, there is very little software that will take advantage of even 32 cores, let alone 64. Most stuff will run worse than it would on an 8 to 16 core CPU.
This gets people VERY angry when they realize they've dropped $6k on a system that underperforms a $3k system without thinking to actually ask anyone else's advice.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
edited February 2020
So crossposted with the mechanical keyboards thread but I'm getting my first real custom keyboard made, and it's a 16 key macro pad for work:
It'll leverage QMK to run Autohotkey scripts to automate a lot of my repetitive work.
I've always been interested in extra key accessories... I need to find an alternative to foot pedals because the software and drivers for the ones on the market is janky as shit.
I need something to alleviate wrist strain.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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I've always been interested in extra key accessories... I need to find an alternative to foot pedals because the software and drivers for the ones on the market is janky as shit.
I need something to alleviate wrist strain.
Honestly you can do p much anything with an adapter and cheap keyboards
This is an amazing video, and dude is a macro monster (a few full size keyboards and stream decks, basically mapped out all of Adobe's stuff into key presses) and goes over what he does and even has links to all of the scripts and programs he uses to do it.
There have been times when I wished my work machine was a 64 core monster
not enough to justify the purchase but
in all seriousness 8 cores is more than enough for what I need for a work computer but I was testing a laptop with 16GB of ram and I just got moved down to one with 8 when I had to give that one up and I think I'm going to die with just 8GB of ram.
There have been times when I wished my work machine was a 64 core monster
not enough to justify the purchase but
in all seriousness 8 cores is more than enough for what I need for a work computer but I was testing a laptop with 16GB of ram and I just got moved down to one with 8 when I had to give that one up and I think I'm going to die with just 8GB of ram.
Some large scale builds will cheerfully use every core of a 64 core monster. A bunch of the analysis I was doing last year I could have easily scaled to at least 32 cores without being IO saturated. 64 would probably have been stretching it though without another set of NVME drives.
But for the daily driver, 8 physical cores is adequate. 4 is tolerable but I don’t like it.
It's worth remembering that it really isn't a long time at all since the popular wisdom was that 4 cores was plenty.
Software has a way of expanding to fit the hardware available, and whatever developers thought in the past, whatever scepticism there was or could be about how multi-threaded the future is died the day that AMD launched the Ryzen 1600 and put the budget baseline at 12 threads.
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I've always been interested in extra key accessories... I need to find an alternative to foot pedals because the software and drivers for the ones on the market is janky as shit.
I need something to alleviate wrist strain.
Check out Microsoft's accessibility controllers that they made for the Xbone. I bet they have pretty good compatibility and there are lots of interesting foot options and I bet the drivers are pretty decent.
NZXT released a new SFF case that apparently comes with PSU and AIO and directly mimics the XboneX. I don't think any of those are bad things, but the price point appears to be in the $300 US range.
NZXT released a new SFF case that apparently comes with PSU and AIO and directly mimics the XboneX. I don't think any of those are bad things, but the price point appears to be in the $300 US range.
Looks awesome, but $350, yikes. That's $100 for the SFX PSU, $100 for the AIO, and $150 for the case. Of course, other fancy SFF pc cases cost more than $150, so I guess it's competitive with those.
Also it has pointless tempered glass, whyyyyyy?
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minor incidentexpert in a dying fieldnjRegistered Userregular
NZXT released a new SFF case that apparently comes with PSU and AIO and directly mimics the XboneX. I don't think any of those are bad things, but the price point appears to be in the $300 US range.
That is an extremely fair price point for what goes into that product
...is an assessment I can make with a very high degree of certainty.
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minor incidentexpert in a dying fieldnjRegistered Userregular
NZXT released a new SFF case that apparently comes with PSU and AIO and directly mimics the XboneX. I don't think any of those are bad things, but the price point appears to be in the $300 US range.
Looks awesome, but $350, yikes. That's $100 for the SFX PSU, $100 for the AIO, and $150 for the case. Of course, other fancy SFF pc cases cost more than $150, so I guess it's competitive with those.
Also it has pointless tempered glass, whyyyyyy?
It is nearly impossible to sell a mass market gamer/pc enthusiast case without a tempered glass side panel in today's market.
I know it's not to everyone's taste (and I don't even entirely disagree with you), but y'all are in the extreme minority.
Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
i hate all aesthetic stuff that will get old fast and is designed by low-salary engineers who know zero about actual visual design and that makes my cases more expensive
i furiously hate RGB for that reason.
I don't have an issue with glass in general, but on this case you won't even be able to see anything - the glass panel points at the edge of the motherboard and graphics card.
I prefer as much silence as I can get, so I tend to avoid glass.
The lesser noise protection of glass combined with the fact that the H110 is not exactly inaudible has really made my new computer significantly noisier than my old one.
@minor incident I'm glad you're here! I missed you. That's all - keep being awesome!
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GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
edited February 2020
I used to not give a shit about aesthetics and herumpherumphed about how it was dumb to build a PC to look good, who wants tempered glass, fuck RGB's, etc. Then I built a PC that looks nice and now I'll never go back. It's a show piece, people notice it when they walk in my space...and you can absolutely build one that won't "get old fast" or be garish.
I used to not give a shit about aesthetics and herumpherumphed about how it was dumb to build a PC to look good, who wants tempered glass, fuck RGB's, etc. Then I built a PC that looks nice and now I'll never go back. It's a show piece, people notice it when they walk in my space...and you can absolutely build one that won't "get old fast" or be garish.
My entire PC space is now an evil purple glow and it's super cool
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I've got one of those too!
15 minutes later I wander into his office to ask him an unrelated question, he started complaining about how expensive processors have gotten, asked if there was any reason not to do Intel since the 9900k was so much cheaper.
Turns out he was trying to price out a new video recording/streaming rig for us, not an actual workstation. So now we're "only" getting a 3900x. I also, sadly, talked him down from a 2080ti to a 2070 Super since he had just blindly grabbed "best nvidia graphics card" results. Hopefully we are turning those savings into a new video camera, which will be far more useful to us. Still has to get approved separately by finance which sucks.
But oh, what could have been...
BUT I NEED 32 CORES FOR GOOGLE CHROME.
(that's actually only half a joke)
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I mean, some of our research labs will probably legitimately upgrade to a 3990x in the next year or so, just because it makes more sense for us to do that than to have to rent out datacenter space and manage an extra server or two. But they're also, you know, doing actual research where having the PCI bandwidth for drives and multiple workstation graphics cards makes sense.
not enough to justify the purchase but
This gets people VERY angry when they realize they've dropped $6k on a system that underperforms a $3k system without thinking to actually ask anyone else's advice.
It'll leverage QMK to run Autohotkey scripts to automate a lot of my repetitive work.
I need something to alleviate wrist strain.
Honestly you can do p much anything with an adapter and cheap keyboards
This is an amazing video, and dude is a macro monster (a few full size keyboards and stream decks, basically mapped out all of Adobe's stuff into key presses) and goes over what he does and even has links to all of the scripts and programs he uses to do it.
in all seriousness 8 cores is more than enough for what I need for a work computer but I was testing a laptop with 16GB of ram and I just got moved down to one with 8 when I had to give that one up and I think I'm going to die with just 8GB of ram.
Some large scale builds will cheerfully use every core of a 64 core monster. A bunch of the analysis I was doing last year I could have easily scaled to at least 32 cores without being IO saturated. 64 would probably have been stretching it though without another set of NVME drives.
But for the daily driver, 8 physical cores is adequate. 4 is tolerable but I don’t like it.
Software has a way of expanding to fit the hardware available, and whatever developers thought in the past, whatever scepticism there was or could be about how multi-threaded the future is died the day that AMD launched the Ryzen 1600 and put the budget baseline at 12 threads.
Check out Microsoft's accessibility controllers that they made for the Xbone. I bet they have pretty good compatibility and there are lots of interesting foot options and I bet the drivers are pretty decent.
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Any news on when the new Ampere cards are gonna be revealed? I read that GDC is the rumor.
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Consumer versions will probably launch around Computex, which is early June.
Looks awesome, but $350, yikes. That's $100 for the SFX PSU, $100 for the AIO, and $150 for the case. Of course, other fancy SFF pc cases cost more than $150, so I guess it's competitive with those.
Also it has pointless tempered glass, whyyyyyy?
That is an extremely fair price point for what goes into that product
...is an assessment I can make with a very high degree of certainty.
It is nearly impossible to sell a mass market gamer/pc enthusiast case without a tempered glass side panel in today's market.
I know it's not to everyone's taste (and I don't even entirely disagree with you), but y'all are in the extreme minority.
It's just an annoying thing that needs more cleaning for no reason, but it's not the end of the world.
Although right now, there are a million fingerprints...on the inside, and god knows I ain't wiping it down till something blows up
i furiously hate RGB for that reason.
I guess if people have rgb PSU cables? It's not like there's anything to see on the mobos backplate
The lesser noise protection of glass combined with the fact that the H110 is not exactly inaudible has really made my new computer significantly noisier than my old one.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-32-led-curved-qhd-freesync-monitor-with-hdr/6375331.p?skuId=6375331
https://www.newegg.com/black-fractal-design-meshify-c-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811352085
My entire PC space is now an evil purple glow and it's super cool