I mean, his dexterity is decent, but Byleth and Dimitri have higher dexterity, and he isn’t much above the others. He’s not outfitted with anything special (iron bow, no special battalion), either.
Edit: By ‘crit everything in sight’ I mean he literally got a critical hit every single turn in my last battle. That’s some great chance!
Oh well! I shall not complain. He was useless the first time I played this route and I never really used him in the other routes, so this is the first time I’m bringing him along to every battle.
Rhea says in VW that no human was ever "blessed" by the progenitor god
And that line just feels false??
Much like how when Edelgard says that the events of long ago were a "normal disagreement" or some such. I don't doubt she believes it to be true, but you can clearly tell it's not true
People tend to believe Rhea is telling the full unvarnished truth though, and that she has full knowledge of what happened. Which I don't believe for a second
There's a line just before the final battle in Verdant Wind that jumps out at me.
Rhea's testimony concerning the origins of the Children of the Goddess is very vague, and also leaves a lot of questions unanswered through ambiguities in how she's talking about the past
She uses the phrase "I am the last child of the progenitor god."
Now, she might mean several things here. She might mean she's the last surviving child of the goddess—but that's not true. Macuil's like, right over there. Cichol's been standing next to her the entire game. Indech is napping in a GD lake. Hell, she talks about running around and collecting the survivors after the slaughter at Zanado!
Does she mean that she is the youngest of those who were born from/created by Sothis? Also, how the hell did Sothis go about having children at all? Are they actually blood-related to her? Did she make them out of GD clay? Did she bleed on the ground and out they popped, fully formed? Does Cethleann not count specifically because she's second generation?
If she is as young as all that—younger than the other saints, though obviously more powerful—she wouldn't have any more immediate knowledge of the conflict with the Agarthans than anyone else. She may have been born after that whole mess was over, even, and only be working on second-hand stories.
And she expresses total bafflement and ignorance regarding how Nemesis was able to gain the Crest of Flames and forge the Sword of the Creator. Which is real interesting!
So many questions, still. I hope Azure Moon and Silver Snow get around to a couple of them at some point
Rhea conversation and background spoilers, honestly can't remember which route. I'm sorry!
I wish I could remember the actual line, but in one conversation Rhea indicates that when she was young she "heard the goddess" in the holy tomb, and that is when she received her blessing.
We are veering pretty heavily into speculation territory now, but I took this to mean that she is not the literal descendant of Sothis, but instead was a human mortal who was somehow gifted her powers by Sothis. She calls Sothis 'mother,' but none of her dialogue really leads me to believe she was close to her in the way a mother and daughter would actually be close.
I think this may apply to all of Sothis' "children." Seteth refers to Indech as a friend, not a brother. Flayn chides both Macuil and Indech as "Uncle," but I was getting more of a 'dad's close friend who I call Uncle as a term of endearment' vibe.
If they are all former humans who were granted power from Sothis, and who can grant similar (but diminished) boons through their blood, this would explain how the crests have been perpetuated.
Flayn has not had children, but the crest of Cethleen is still floating around in persons other than Flayn. Perhaps in the past she willingly granted blood infusions the way Rhea did for Jeralt and Catherine?
Now that I'm rambling about it, I wonder if Flayn is the only dragon kiddo in this setting who came about the, er, conventional way?
Lots of unanswered questions. Maybe we will get a clearer picture with the eventual DLC.
Rhea conversation and background spoilers, honestly can't remember which route. I'm sorry!
I wish I could remember the actual line, but in one conversation Rhea indicates that when she was young she "heard the goddess" in the holy tomb, and that is when she received her blessing.
We are veering pretty heavily into speculation territory now, but I took this to mean that she is not the literal descendant of Sothis, but instead was a human mortal who was somehow gifted her powers by Sothis. She calls Sothis 'mother,' but none of her dialogue really leads me to believe she was close to her in the way a mother and daughter would actually be close.
I think this may apply to all of Sothis' "children." Seteth refers to Indech as a friend, not a brother. Flayn chides both Macuil and Indech as "Uncle," but I was getting more of a 'dad's close friend who I call Uncle as a term of endearment' vibe.
If they are all former humans who were granted power from Sothis, and who can grant similar (but diminished) boons through their blood, this would explain how the crests have been perpetuated.
Flayn has not had children, but the crest of Cethleen is still floating around in persons other than Flayn. Perhaps in the past she willingly granted blood infusions the way Rhea did for Jeralt and Catherine?
Now that I'm rambling about it, I wonder if Flayn is the only dragon kiddo in this setting who came about the, er, conventional way?
Lots of unanswered questions. Maybe we will get a clearer picture with the eventual DLC.
That's pre-timeskip, I believe.
I like the idea that the Children of the Goddess were originally human; it ties into people like Maurice turning into monsters even while retaining their minds.
Only thing is that the human forms of Flayn, Seteth, and Rhea are all very subtly manakete-coded. For instance: in the artbook, it's revealed that they all have pointy manakete ears they hide beneath their hair!
I have no idea if that means anything
I think that the children of the goddess, the fate of Maurice (who became a demonic beast who retained his mind in spite of having the appropriate crest for his relic), and the origins of Nemesis and the Ten Elites are all related.
Yeah. I'm hoping for some DLC answers too. But! Speculating is a ton of fun
Rhea says in VW that no human was ever "blessed" by the progenitor god
And that line just feels false??
Much like how when Edelgard says that the events of long ago were a "normal disagreement" or some such. I don't doubt she believes it to be true, but you can clearly tell it's not true
People tend to believe Rhea is telling the full unvarnished truth though, and that she has full knowledge of what happened. Which I don't believe for a second
The twist I hope to unearth at some point
is that Nemesis and Sothis used to be old friends
Your idea that Nemesis was Sothis's champion against the Agarthans—or the threat that preceded them—is one I like a lot
Rhea conversation and background spoilers, honestly can't remember which route. I'm sorry!
I wish I could remember the actual line, but in one conversation Rhea indicates that when she was young she "heard the goddess" in the holy tomb, and that is when she received her blessing.
We are veering pretty heavily into speculation territory now, but I took this to mean that she is not the literal descendant of Sothis, but instead was a human mortal who was somehow gifted her powers by Sothis. She calls Sothis 'mother,' but none of her dialogue really leads me to believe she was close to her in the way a mother and daughter would actually be close.
I think this may apply to all of Sothis' "children." Seteth refers to Indech as a friend, not a brother. Flayn chides both Macuil and Indech as "Uncle," but I was getting more of a 'dad's close friend who I call Uncle as a term of endearment' vibe.
If they are all former humans who were granted power from Sothis, and who can grant similar (but diminished) boons through their blood, this would explain how the crests have been perpetuated.
Flayn has not had children, but the crest of Cethleen is still floating around in persons other than Flayn. Perhaps in the past she willingly granted blood infusions the way Rhea did for Jeralt and Catherine?
Now that I'm rambling about it, I wonder if Flayn is the only dragon kiddo in this setting who came about the, er, conventional way?
Lots of unanswered questions. Maybe we will get a clearer picture with the eventual DLC.
That's pre-timeskip, I believe.
I like the idea that the Children of the Goddess were originally human; it ties into people like Maurice turning into monsters even while retaining their minds.
Only thing is that the human forms of Flayn, Seteth, and Rhea are all very subtly manakete-coded. For instance: in the artbook, it's revealed that they all have pointy manakete ears they hide beneath their hair!
I have no idea if that means anything
I think that the children of the goddess, the fate of Maurice (who became a demonic beast who retained his mind in spite of having the appropriate crest for his relic), and the origins of Nemesis and the Ten Elites are all related.
Yeah. I'm hoping for some DLC answers too. But! Speculating is a ton of fun
Rhea, Seteth and Flayn chat:
In reference to pointy ears!
I think that's a real neat detail! That could be chalked up to a side effect from Sothis' blessing... Byleth got mint chip hair and eyes. Could also mean I'm off-base.
Seteth mentions in Silver Snow that he used to have the ability to transform, but lost it long ago. Mysterious! I wonder if Flayn ever had that ability or if, as a second gen dragon she only got the longevity.
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Potential spoilers for: support conversations, Seteth and Flayn backstory, general plot developments for Blue Lions and Crimson Flower. Not that I've actually played through Crimson Flower yet. Nothing too crazy spoilery, though. Apologies if there are any repeats in here.
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Rhea conversation and background spoilers, honestly can't remember which route. I'm sorry!
I wish I could remember the actual line, but in one conversation Rhea indicates that when she was young she "heard the goddess" in the holy tomb, and that is when she received her blessing.
We are veering pretty heavily into speculation territory now, but I took this to mean that she is not the literal descendant of Sothis, but instead was a human mortal who was somehow gifted her powers by Sothis. She calls Sothis 'mother,' but none of her dialogue really leads me to believe she was close to her in the way a mother and daughter would actually be close.
I think this may apply to all of Sothis' "children." Seteth refers to Indech as a friend, not a brother. Flayn chides both Macuil and Indech as "Uncle," but I was getting more of a 'dad's close friend who I call Uncle as a term of endearment' vibe.
If they are all former humans who were granted power from Sothis, and who can grant similar (but diminished) boons through their blood, this would explain how the crests have been perpetuated.
Flayn has not had children, but the crest of Cethleen is still floating around in persons other than Flayn. Perhaps in the past she willingly granted blood infusions the way Rhea did for Jeralt and Catherine?
Now that I'm rambling about it, I wonder if Flayn is the only dragon kiddo in this setting who came about the, er, conventional way?
Lots of unanswered questions. Maybe we will get a clearer picture with the eventual DLC.
That's pre-timeskip, I believe.
I like the idea that the Children of the Goddess were originally human; it ties into people like Maurice turning into monsters even while retaining their minds.
Only thing is that the human forms of Flayn, Seteth, and Rhea are all very subtly manakete-coded. For instance: in the artbook, it's revealed that they all have pointy manakete ears they hide beneath their hair!
I have no idea if that means anything
I think that the children of the goddess, the fate of Maurice (who became a demonic beast who retained his mind in spite of having the appropriate crest for his relic), and the origins of Nemesis and the Ten Elites are all related.
Yeah. I'm hoping for some DLC answers too. But! Speculating is a ton of fun
Rhea, Seteth and Flayn chat:
In reference to pointy ears!
I think that's a real neat detail! That could be chalked up to a side effect from Sothis' blessing... Byleth got mint chip hair and eyes. Could also mean I'm off-base.
Seteth mentions in Silver Snow that he used to have the ability to transform, but lost it long ago. Mysterious! I wonder if Flayn ever had that ability or if, as a second gen dragon she only got the longevity.
Re. That scene in Silver Snow:
Seteth says ‘in the past, the children of the goddess were all able to change their appearance’
Then when Byleth replies, ‘you’re one of the children of the goddess?’
Seteth: ‘Is it not obvious? Flayn and I both are’
It’s not explicitly spelled out but if the translation is accurate I think we can assume Flayn also used to be able to transform!
That post also ponders that Sothis may have looked more womanly/older at some point, maybe her slaughter & rebirth inside Byleth caused her to appear younger?
A rank means they'll join automatically. (but you can only get A-rank in part 2 or in new game+)
B rank reduces the requirements by like half I think?
C is I wanna say by one third? Might be one fourth.
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I am in NG+ and spent a bunch of renown bumping Ferdinand and Linhardt back to A, but then when I went to talk to Ferdinand I clicked on Recruit and it just made the little "nope" sound effect
I am in NG+ and spent a bunch of renown bumping Ferdinand and Linhardt back to A, but then when I went to talk to Ferdinand I clicked on Recruit and it just made the little "nope" sound effect
they'll ask to join randomly as time goes on, don't worry.
oh another reason why fists are the best melee weapon in this game is that one of the skills learned by raising weapon master just lets you spend an action to recover half your health at any time with no cost to weapon durability.
I am in NG+ and spent a bunch of renown bumping Ferdinand and Linhardt back to A, but then when I went to talk to Ferdinand I clicked on Recruit and it just made the little "nope" sound effect
That's real strange. Did the same thing happen with Linhardt? How early in the game did you do this?
I am in NG+ and spent a bunch of renown bumping Ferdinand and Linhardt back to A, but then when I went to talk to Ferdinand I clicked on Recruit and it just made the little "nope" sound effect
That's real strange. Did the same thing happen with Linhardt? How early in the game did you do this?
It was chapter 2, but I got him now
I just came around when I was exploring a week later and scooped him up. I wonder if it had something to do with the fact I'd already talked to him that day and he said no (before I bought supports)
@Wyborn I ended up chatting with some people about your theory in relation to the bandit attack at the very beginning of the game and I think I finally made sense of it.
There’s enough evidence to suggest, as you’ve already gone over, that the bandits were not hired to kill Dimitri and Claude, and that Edelgard was actually trying to keep that from happening.
The question was, then, why did she hire the bandits?
Someone pointed a couple things out to me. One, when the bandits attacked someone ran off, and that person was supposed to be the next professor at the academy.
Two, we get dialogue from at least Caspar, and I want to say one more, about how people expected Jeritza to be appointed to the position after the first candidate vanished. But that didn’t happen because of Alois and Byleth.
So I think I know what Edelgard’s goal was: to get Jeritza, who works for her, into a teaching position. Probably as the Black Eagles instructor.
This matches up nicely with the Flame Emperor being irritated that Byleth got the job, too.
Wyborn I ended up chatting with some people about your theory in relation to the bandit attack at the very beginning of the game and I think I finally made sense of it.
There’s enough evidence to suggest, as you’ve already gone over, that the bandits were not hired to kill Dimitri and Claude, and that Edelgard was actually trying to keep that from happening.
The question was, then, why did she hire the bandits?
Someone pointed a couple things out to me. One, when the bandits attacked someone ran off, and that person was supposed to be the next professor at the academy.
Two, we get dialogue from at least Caspar, and I want to say one more, about how people expected Jeritza to be appointed to the position after the first candidate vanished. But that didn’t happen because of Alois and Byleth.
So I think I know what Edelgard’s goal was: to get Jeritza, who works for her, into a teaching position. Probably as the Black Eagles instructor.
This matches up nicely with the Flame Emperor being irritated that Byleth got the job, too.
That.... is very clean.
General-ish timeskip spoilers
It also still meshes nicely with the idea that Edelgard didn't mean for Claude and Dimitri to bite it, and brought Jeralt into it as an emergency measure to protect them when Claude ran off
Aiming to get the Death Knight into a teaching position would have potentially allowed Edelgard to do a great deal, especially if the Twisted weren't aware of his identity as Jeritza.
Yeah! Yeah that all lines up, and helps illustrate the specific ways in which Edelgard's plans went awry (and why she's trying so hard to get the measure of Byleth from second one). That's some nice figuring!
Wyborn I ended up chatting with some people about your theory in relation to the bandit attack at the very beginning of the game and I think I finally made sense of it.
There’s enough evidence to suggest, as you’ve already gone over, that the bandits were not hired to kill Dimitri and Claude, and that Edelgard was actually trying to keep that from happening.
The question was, then, why did she hire the bandits?
Someone pointed a couple things out to me. One, when the bandits attacked someone ran off, and that person was supposed to be the next professor at the academy.
Two, we get dialogue from at least Caspar, and I want to say one more, about how people expected Jeritza to be appointed to the position after the first candidate vanished. But that didn’t happen because of Alois and Byleth.
So I think I know what Edelgard’s goal was: to get Jeritza, who works for her, into a teaching position. Probably as the Black Eagles instructor.
This matches up nicely with the Flame Emperor being irritated that Byleth got the job, too.
That.... is very clean.
General-ish timeskip spoilers
It also still meshes nicely with the idea that Edelgard didn't mean for Claude and Dimitri to bite it, and brought Jeralt into it as an emergency measure to protect them when Claude ran off
Aiming to get the Death Knight into a teaching position would have potentially allowed Edelgard to do a great deal, especially if the Twisted weren't aware of his identity as Jeritza.
Yeah! Yeah that all lines up, and helps illustrate the specific ways in which Edelgard's plans went awry (and why she's trying so hard to get the measure of Byleth from second one). That's some nice figuring!
it's also
A bit cleaner to go, "she was trying to kill/run off a teacher" than, "she hired mercenaries to murder children." It was always a little harder for me to buy that she was willing to go that far that early in the game's plot, especially given how she often tries to reduce casualties as much as possible in the Crimson Flower route. Like, she's realistic about it, but I never got the sense that she was especially bloodthirsty.
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He’s currently got a better kill rate than anyone except Dimitri!
Edit: By ‘crit everything in sight’ I mean he literally got a critical hit every single turn in my last battle. That’s some great chance!
Oh well! I shall not complain. He was useless the first time I played this route and I never really used him in the other routes, so this is the first time I’m bringing him along to every battle.
Now, who to make my dancer...
And that line just feels false??
Much like how when Edelgard says that the events of long ago were a "normal disagreement" or some such. I don't doubt she believes it to be true, but you can clearly tell it's not true
People tend to believe Rhea is telling the full unvarnished truth though, and that she has full knowledge of what happened. Which I don't believe for a second
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She uses the phrase "I am the last child of the progenitor god."
Now, she might mean several things here. She might mean she's the last surviving child of the goddess—but that's not true. Macuil's like, right over there. Cichol's been standing next to her the entire game. Indech is napping in a GD lake. Hell, she talks about running around and collecting the survivors after the slaughter at Zanado!
Does she mean that she is the youngest of those who were born from/created by Sothis? Also, how the hell did Sothis go about having children at all? Are they actually blood-related to her? Did she make them out of GD clay? Did she bleed on the ground and out they popped, fully formed? Does Cethleann not count specifically because she's second generation?
If she is as young as all that—younger than the other saints, though obviously more powerful—she wouldn't have any more immediate knowledge of the conflict with the Agarthans than anyone else. She may have been born after that whole mess was over, even, and only be working on second-hand stories.
And she expresses total bafflement and ignorance regarding how Nemesis was able to gain the Crest of Flames and forge the Sword of the Creator. Which is real interesting!
So many questions, still. I hope Azure Moon and Silver Snow get around to a couple of them at some point
Also aprorpros of nothing but Annette has dawned the Fortress Knight Armor and Mercedes has studied the blade.
It's dumb but it can be done!
We are veering pretty heavily into speculation territory now, but I took this to mean that she is not the literal descendant of Sothis, but instead was a human mortal who was somehow gifted her powers by Sothis. She calls Sothis 'mother,' but none of her dialogue really leads me to believe she was close to her in the way a mother and daughter would actually be close.
I think this may apply to all of Sothis' "children." Seteth refers to Indech as a friend, not a brother. Flayn chides both Macuil and Indech as "Uncle," but I was getting more of a 'dad's close friend who I call Uncle as a term of endearment' vibe.
If they are all former humans who were granted power from Sothis, and who can grant similar (but diminished) boons through their blood, this would explain how the crests have been perpetuated.
Flayn has not had children, but the crest of Cethleen is still floating around in persons other than Flayn. Perhaps in the past she willingly granted blood infusions the way Rhea did for Jeralt and Catherine?
Now that I'm rambling about it, I wonder if Flayn is the only dragon kiddo in this setting who came about the, er, conventional way?
Lots of unanswered questions. Maybe we will get a clearer picture with the eventual DLC.
he's been possessed by the ghost of xcom's own patrick stewart
That's pre-timeskip, I believe.
Only thing is that the human forms of Flayn, Seteth, and Rhea are all very subtly manakete-coded. For instance: in the artbook, it's revealed that they all have pointy manakete ears they hide beneath their hair!
I have no idea if that means anything
I think that the children of the goddess, the fate of Maurice (who became a demonic beast who retained his mind in spite of having the appropriate crest for his relic), and the origins of Nemesis and the Ten Elites are all related.
Yeah. I'm hoping for some DLC answers too. But! Speculating is a ton of fun
The twist I hope to unearth at some point
Your idea that Nemesis was Sothis's champion against the Agarthans—or the threat that preceded them—is one I like a lot
It’s worth reading IMO, and there’s lots of good discussion in the comments after the OP, too. Obviously, it’s heavy spoiler territory.
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Started a NG+, and the 2nd S rank is available, but now the first isn't.
Blargh, have to redo this again.
104 hours for one clear! Plus however much resetting. Never going to start NG+ at this rate.
Rhea, Seteth and Flayn chat:
I think that's a real neat detail! That could be chalked up to a side effect from Sothis' blessing... Byleth got mint chip hair and eyes. Could also mean I'm off-base.
Seteth mentions in Silver Snow that he used to have the ability to transform, but lost it long ago. Mysterious! I wonder if Flayn ever had that ability or if, as a second gen dragon she only got the longevity.
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Potential spoilers for: support conversations, Seteth and Flayn backstory, general plot developments for Blue Lions and Crimson Flower. Not that I've actually played through Crimson Flower yet. Nothing too crazy spoilery, though. Apologies if there are any repeats in here.
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Re. That scene in Silver Snow:
Then when Byleth replies, ‘you’re one of the children of the goddess?’
Seteth: ‘Is it not obvious? Flayn and I both are’
It’s not explicitly spelled out but if the translation is accurate I think we can assume Flayn also used to be able to transform!
This tumblr post explores the mural you see in-game and what Seteth and Flayn may have looked like as dragons
That post also ponders that Sothis may have looked more womanly/older at some point, maybe her slaughter & rebirth inside Byleth caused her to appear younger?
A rank means they'll join automatically. (but you can only get A-rank in part 2 or in new game+)
B rank reduces the requirements by like half I think?
C is I wanna say by one third? Might be one fourth.
Exact details in a table within: https://serenesforest.net/three-houses/characters/recruitment/
Hit ZR on the support screen!
Edit: It took me two playthroughs to figure that out, haha.
When you go to share a meal with someone, there's an option to check your exact support level.
they'll ask to join randomly as time goes on, don't worry.
That's real strange. Did the same thing happen with Linhardt? How early in the game did you do this?
It was chapter 2, but I got him now
I just came around when I was exploring a week later and scooped him up. I wonder if it had something to do with the fact I'd already talked to him that day and he said no (before I bought supports)
you can only ask to recruit someone once a day
The question was, then, why did she hire the bandits?
Someone pointed a couple things out to me. One, when the bandits attacked someone ran off, and that person was supposed to be the next professor at the academy.
Two, we get dialogue from at least Caspar, and I want to say one more, about how people expected Jeritza to be appointed to the position after the first candidate vanished. But that didn’t happen because of Alois and Byleth.
So I think I know what Edelgard’s goal was: to get Jeritza, who works for her, into a teaching position. Probably as the Black Eagles instructor.
This matches up nicely with the Flame Emperor being irritated that Byleth got the job, too.
My Let's Play Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UC2go70QLfwGq-hW4nvUqmog
That.... is very clean.
General-ish timeskip spoilers
Aiming to get the Death Knight into a teaching position would have potentially allowed Edelgard to do a great deal, especially if the Twisted weren't aware of his identity as Jeritza.
Yeah! Yeah that all lines up, and helps illustrate the specific ways in which Edelgard's plans went awry (and why she's trying so hard to get the measure of Byleth from second one). That's some nice figuring!
it's also