Welcome one, welcome all, to a thread for discussion of Formula One, past, present and future. (And feel free to discuss other motorsport as well, should you feel like it - any is welcome!) If you're joining us for the first time, please say hi! We don't bite.
First thread is here:
https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/197720/formula-one-motorsport-round-16-russia-in-soviet-russia-v12-drives-you#latest
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Who are the teams and drivers, and where will they be racing?
The 2021 teams and their starting line-up of drivers are:
- Alfa Romeo - Kimi Raikkonen (Finland), Antonio Giovinazzi (Italy)
- AlphaTauri - Pierre Gasly (France), Yuki Tsunoda (Japan)
- Alpine - Fernando Alonso (Spain), Esteban Ocon (France)
- Aston Martin - Sebastian Vettel (Germany), Lance Stroll (Canada)
- Ferrari - Carlos Sainz Jr (Spain), Charles Leclerc (Monaco)
- Haas - Nikita Mazepin (Russia), Mick Schumacher (Germany)
- McLaren - Lando Norris (United Kingdom), Daniel Ricciardo (Australia)
- Mercedes - Lewis Hamilton (United Kingdom), Valtteri Bottas (Finland)
- Red Bull - Sergio Perez (Mexico), Max Verstappen (Netherlands)
- Williams - Nicholas Latifi (Canada), George Russell (United Kingdom)
There are several changes from last year. The Renault team has renamed to Alpine, and Racing Point has become Aston Martin. Yuki Tsunoda replaced Daniil Kvyat at AlphaTauri, Fernando Alonso returned to F1 after two years away replacing Daniel Ricciardo at Alpine, Ricciardo moved to McLaren replacing Carlos Sainz, Sainz went to Ferrari replacing Sebastian Vettel, Vettel moved to Aston Martin replacing Sergio Perez, and Perez in turn replaced the departing Alex Albon at Red Bull. Also, Nikita Mazepin and Mick Schumacher comprise an all new driver line-up at Haas, replacing the departing Romain Grosjean and Kevin Magnussen.
A handy visual guide, courtesy of
@Snicketysnick :
Huger version:
https://i.imgur.com/4qhFRrq.png
The 2021 World Championship is set to comprise 23 Grand Prix races, a record number should they all go ahead.
- Sakhir, Bahrain (night race) - 28 March
- Imola, Italy (Emilia Romagna GP) - 18 April
- Portimão, Portugal - 2 May
- Barcelona, Spain - 9 May
- Monte Carlo, Monaco (street race) - 23 May
- Baku, Azerbaijan (street race) - 6 June
- Montreal, Canada - 13 June (cancelled on 28 April for Covid reasons)
- Istanbul, Turkey - 13 June (replacing Canada, also ultimately cancelled on 14 May for Covid reasons - then reinstated on 25 June to replace Singapore on 3 October, see below)
- Paul Ricard, France - 20 June (moved up from 27 June following initial Turkey cancellation)
- Spielberg, Austria - 27 June (additional race in place of initially cancelled Turkey, to be billed as Styrian Grand Prix)
- Spielberg, Austria - 4 July (to be billed as Austrian Grand Prix)
- Silverstone, Great Britain - 18 July
- Budapest, Hungary - 1 August
- Spa-Francorchamps, Belgium - 29 August
- Zandvoort, The Netherlands - 5 September
- Monza, Italy - 12 September
- Sochi, Russia - 26 September
- Marina Bay, Singapore (night/street race) - 3 October (cancelled on 4 June for Covid immigration restrictions reasons)
- Istanbul Park, Turkey - 3 October (replacing Singapore)
- Suzuka, Japan - 10 October (cancelled on 18 August for Covid reasons)
- Austin, Texas, United States - 24 October
- Mexico City, Mexico - 31 October
- Interlagos, Brazil (São Paulo GP) - 7 November
- Melbourne, Australia - 21 November (cancelled on 6 July for Covid immigration restrictions reasons)
- Jeddah, Saudi Arabia (street race) - 5 December
- Yas Marina, Abu Dhabi (evening race) - 12 December
The Dutch GP makes its belated return after being cancelled last year, and the Saudi Arabian GP makes its debut with a street race in Jeddah.
Will there be an F1 2021 video game?
Yes, it's coming out on July 16th, for PC, Xbox One & Series S/X, and PS4 & PS5, supporting Smart Delivery on Xbox and free upgrade on PlayStation. Its big new addition, besides next-gen support, is a story mode called Braking Point, that looks to expand on the story features included in F1 2019. It will also include the ability to have a multiplayer career mode, where you can race for the same team or rival teams. More info:
here.
In the meantime, F1 2020 was great, although it represented the season as it was supposed to be before Covid-19 changed everything. Its big new additions were the ability to make and manage your own team in career mode, the return of split-screen multiplayer, shorter season options of 10 and 16 races, and a bunch of Michael Schumacher related extras in the Deluxe Edition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfbq4qkoenYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T58oOjZW-BEAre there any good movies about F1?
Yes, and there was a flurry of brilliant ones a few years ago. All of these are essential viewing even if you only have a passing interest in F1:
Senna (2010) is a documentary history of arguably the sport's greatest-ever driver, triple world champion Ayrton Senna, who started in F1 in 1984 and died tragically in 1994.
Rush (2013) is a biopic of the rivalry between James Hunt and Niki Lauda in the 1970s, starring Chris Hemsworth and Daniel Brühl as Hunt and Lauda respectively, and culminating in their titanic battle for the 1976 world championship.
Grand Prix: The Killer Years (2011) is a BBC documentary that tells the story of F1 in the 1960s and 70s where mechanical failure, lethal track design, fire and incompetence led to the deaths of many young drivers. Among the interviewees contributing to the film are world champions Jackie Stewart, Emerson Fittipaldi, and John Surtees.
And if you like older movies too:
Grand Prix (1966) is a film that follows several drivers through a fictionalised 1966 season. It stars James Garner and features some astonishing footage captured at the real races, which won it three Oscars.
And outside F1, the fantastic
Le Mans (1971) depicts Steve McQueen's character taking part in a fictionalised 1971 Le Mans 24 Hours race, again using some amazing footage captured at the real-life 1970 event. McQueen was an avid racer himself, and the Porsche camera car (which McQueen had previously co-driven to a second place in the 12 Hours of Sebring) was actually a full-fledged entry in the real 1970 race.
What about TV shows (aside from the races themselves)?
Check out
Drive to Survive on Netflix. Then pick your jaw up off the floor. Seriously, this show is amazing and has proven to be an extraordinary gateway drug into the world of F1, focusing on stories within the season rather than just being presented chronologically, and has a huge amount of behind-the-scenes access we just don't see on the live weekend broadcasts. It's a fascinating insight into the sport.
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2020 OP archive
2020 PA Forums Hot Laps
PA Forums F1 Hot Laps
While the F1 season, like everything else,
is was on hold, we have a PA Forums Hot Lap game/event/
thing going on (credit to
@oldmanken ). In the F1 2019 game, in Time Trial mode, we are simply aiming to do the fastest lap we can on whatever the currently selected track is, in whatever the currently selected car is. These may be 2019 cars or classic cars.
Round 1, Australia, 20-25 March: 2019 McLaren
Round 2, Bahrain, 26 March-1 April: 2004 Ferrari
Round 3: China, 1-8 April: 2019 Mercedes
Round 4: Azerbaijan, 8-15 April: 2019 Williams
Round 5: Spain, 15-22 April: 2019 Renault
Round 6: Monaco, 22-29 April: 1988 McLaren
Round 7: Canada, 29 April-13 May: 1979 Ferrari
Round 8: France, 13-20 May: 2019 Alfa Romeo
Round 9: Austria, 20-27 May: 2019 Red Bull
Round 10: Great Britain, 27 May-10 June: 1992 Williams
Round 11: Germany, 10-24 June: 2019 Toro Rosso
Round 12: Hungary, 24 June-8 July: 2019 Ferrari
Round 13: Belgium, 14 July-28 July: 2019 Ferrari
Round 14: Italy, TBD
There are restrictions on which driver aids can be used for your time to count; these are different depending on if you are using a controller or a wheel/pedals setup.
There is a Google doc/spreadsheet here with relevant rules and leaderboards:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wNoRoewUeHxKZSrAj0iYE8ydSzHI6WpB-Zj7Fl5v1aA/edit?usp=sharing
If anyone feels like having a go, we'd love to have you join in! You are also welcome to join in using F1 2018 and F1 2017 if you only have those available, but the relative speed of the cars may make that more challenging!
PA Forums Assetto Corsa Competizione Hot Laps
There is now also a Hot Lap event for Assetto Corsa Competizione, if sportscar racing is more your thing (or you just feel like a change of scenery).
There is a Google doc for the ACC event here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jle4BTRUsRFQqb_JagX6QvXpVGhp8Eaj40h3HFUnuEc/edit?usp=sharing
2020 Official Virtual F1
Official Virtual F1
As so many of the early races of the season have been cancelled or postponed due to the coronavirus pandemic, F1 are now going to be holding Virtual Grand Prix in lieu of the actual races. These will take place on the same weekends as the cancelled races, and will be held remotely on the F1 2019 game, with all the actual F1 drivers invited to take part; seats are also being filled by esports drivers, ex-F1 drivers and other celebrities/sportspeople. These will be held purely for entertainment purposes and will not count towards the real life season, should it still go ahead.
More information can be found
here, at www.racefans.net (and other fan sites), and of course in this thread itself!
The saga of the 2020 season: how to F1 in a pandemic, part 1
Who are the teams and drivers, and where will they be racing?
The 2020 teams and their starting line-up of drivers are:
- Alfa Romeo - Kimi Raikkonen (Finland), Antonio Giovinazzi (Italy)
- AlphaTauri - Pierre Gasly (France), Daniil Kvyat (Russia)
- Ferrari - Sebastian Vettel (Germany), Charles Leclerc (Monaco)
- Haas - Romain Grosjean (France), Kevin Magnussen (Denmark)
- McLaren - Lando Norris (United Kingdom), Carlos Sainz Jr (Spain)
- Mercedes - Lewis Hamilton (United Kingdom), Valtteri Bottas (Finland)
- Racing Point - Sergio Perez (Mexico), Lance Stroll (Canada)
- Red Bull - Alexander Albon (Thailand), Max Verstappen (Netherlands)
- Renault - Daniel Ricciardo (Australia), Esteban Ocon (France)
- Williams - Nicholas Latifi (Canada), George Russell (United Kingdom)
There are few changes from last year. The Toro Rosso Team has changed name to AlphaTauri. Nicholas Latifi is the only rookie driver this year, and Esteban Ocon makes his return to an F1 race seat, replacing Nico Hulkenberg at Renault.
The 2020 World Championship was originally to be comprised of 22 Grand Prix races. Several at the start of the season were cancelled due to the ongoing coronavirus pandemic. The original schedule was:
- Melbourne, Australia - 15 March - cancelled due to coronavirus outbreak
- Sakhir, Bahrain (night race) - 22 March - fans banned from attending and subsequently cancelled due to coronavirus outbreak
- Hanoi, Vietnam (street race) - 5 April - cancelled due to coronavirus outbreak
- Shanghai, China - 19 April - postponed indefinitely pre-season and subsequently cancelled due to coronavirus outbreak
- Zandvoort, Netherlands - 3 May - postponed indefinitely due to coronavirus outbreak
- Barcelona, Spain - 10 May - postponed indefinitely due to coronavirus outbreak
- Monte Carlo, Monaco (street race) - 24 May - cancelled outright due to coronavirus outbreak
- Baku, Azerbaijan (street race) - 7 June - postponed indefinitely due to coronavirus outbreak
- Montreal, Canada - 14 June - postponed indefinitely due to coronavirus outbreak
- Paul Ricard, France - 28 June - postponed indefinitely due to coronavirus outbreak
- Spielberg, Austria - 5 July
- Silverstone, Great Britain - 19 July
- Budapest, Hungary - 2 August
- Spa-Francorchamps, Belgium - 30 August
- Monza, Italy - 6 September
- Marina Bay, Singapore (night/street race) - 20 September
- Sochi, Russia - 27 September
- Suzuka, Japan - 11 October
- Austin, United States - 25 October
- Mexico City, Mexico - 1 November
- Interlagos, Brazil - 15 November
- Yas Marina, Abu Dhabi (evening race) - 29 November
The German Grand Prix was dropped again for this year. The Dutch GP was going to return to the calendar for the first time since 1985, and Vietnam was to make its debut with a new partial street track in Hanoi.
The 2020 calendar was originally intended to be 22 races; the Chinese Grand Prix (intended to be on 19 April) was indefinitely postponed on 12 February due to the ongoing coronavirus outbreak, but was considered cancelled as there was nowhere else left where it could realistically fit into this year's schedule. On 13 March it was officially cancelled.
On 9 March, Bahrain banned all fans from attending their race because of coronavirus fears. On 13 March the event was officially cancelled.
On 12 March, the Australian Grand Prix was reportedly cancelled due to the coronavirus outbreak. This was officially confirmed on 13 March.
Also on 13 March, what would have been the inaugural Vietnam Grand Prix was cancelled.
On 19 March, the Dutch and Spanish Grands Prix were officially postponed, and the Monaco Grand Prix was cancelled outright (in part due to the setup time; it takes the principality of Monaco six weeks to set up for the race, so an indeterminate postponement was impractical).
Also on 19 March, the announcement was made that the new technical rules for the 2021 season would be delayed until 2022; the 2021 season will be contested with the 2020 cars regardless of how much of the 2020 season eventually goes ahead.
On 23 March, the Azerbaijan Grand Prix was officially postponed.
On 7 April, the Canadian Grand Prix was officially postponed.
On 27 April, the French Grand Prix was officially postponed.
The season is now tentatively scheduled to begin with the Austrian Grand Prix on 5 July, subject to any further cancellations or complications. The current idea is for two races to be held in Austria, on 5 and 12 July, followed by two races in Great Britain at Silverstone, on 19 and 26 July, with the rest of the calendar rewritten to ultimately create a season of 15 to 18 races. Early races would likely be held behind closed doors without spectators, with the hope that restriction could be eased later in the year.
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On 28 May, a new European calendar was tentatively reported. Austria will still host the opening two rounds on 5 and 12 July, but the two races at Silverstone would be pushed back into August following the UK government's new quarantine restrictions for people entering the UK (with Germany filling in if the British races don't go ahead). Hungary and Spain would fill in around Austria and the UK, with Belgium and Italy retaining their previous dates and further races outside Europe to follow. Also on 28 May, the Dutch Grand Prix was officially cancelled.
On 10 July, Mugello in Italy (new to F1) and Russia confirmed dates for September.
On 24 July, the US, Mexican and Brazilian Grands Prix were cancelled. Canada was also confirmed to be cancelled. Also, the Nurburgring in Germany, Imola in Italy, and Portimao in Portugal (the latter new to F1) confirmed dates to expand the season.
On 26 August, four more races at three venues - Istanbul Park in Turkey (returning after nine years off the calendar), Sakhir in Bahrain, and Yas Marina in Abu Dhabi, were confirmed to conclude the season. Bahrain will host two races using two different layouts of the track.
The new season so far looks like this:
- Round 1: Spielberg, Austria - 5 July
- Round 2: Spielberg, Austria (Styrian GP) - 12 July
- Round 3: Budapest, Hungary - 19 July
- Round 4: Silverstone, Great Britain - 2 August
- Round 5: Silverstone, Great Britain (70th Anniversary GP) - 9 August
- Round 6: Barcelona, Spain - 16 August
- Round 7: Spa-Francorchamps, Belgium - 30 August
- Round 8: Monza, Italy - 6 September
- Round 9: Mugello, Italy - 13 September
- Round 10: Sochi, Russia - 27 September
- Round 11: Nurburgring, Germany - 11 October
- Round 12: Portimao, Portugal - 25 October
- Round 13: Imola, Italy - 1 November
- Round 14: Istanbul Park, Turkey - 15 November
- Round 15: Sakhir, Bahrain - 29 November
- Round 16: Sakhir, Bahrain (outer circuit) - 6 December
- Round 17: Yas Marina, Abu Dhabi - 13 December
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Have tissues ready. Trust me.
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If its not just F1 movies, but motorsport ones - LeMans (the Steve McQueen one from the 70s) and the upcoming Ford vs. Ferrari.
Also - I was contemplating making this thread and had "Round 17 Suzuka: Make it Suntory Time" as a thread title in mind, but that might be too obscure a reference.
EDIT: I recently bought both "Grand Prix" and "LeMans" on BluRay. Have yet to watch them, though.
No kidding. Of course knowing how it all ends softens the sting but goodness, the foreshadowing in his interviews certainly raised my blood pressure for two straight hours.
Excellent program, would recommend.
Haven't seen the docu yet, but I remember seeing it live back then. Over the rest of the day and night I listened to nearly every news cast on radio every hour for some reason (at least thats what I remember), without really grasping that he was gone.
I had gotten into F1 in the middle of the '93 season and only heard about how good he was, but hadn't seen any of his legendary races (still haven't, 25 years later).
That’s basically my story too. The documentary is very good with loads of race footage.
Done
Also, Le Mans is another goddamn fantastic movie.
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Following Gasly's promising move to RB?
I'm not holding my breath though
It's confirmed that Ferrari and Mercedes both agreed to participate, has been known since Season 2 was confirmed. I guess Ferrari and Merc just didn't want to participate until it was clear the benefits of the exposure the show provides would outweigh the downsides of revealing part of your inner operations. By any measure, Drive to Survive has been a resounding success at bringing new fans into the sport and revitalizing old ones, so they obviously feel it's valuable.
Mercedes offered Netflix one race that they could follow them at, and I believe that what ended up happening is they chose Hockenheim as their home GP, but since they did so badly there they also had them follow them at Hungary afterwards too, so two races in the end. I predict those two races will form the basis of an episode that talks about the gutsy Mercedes overcoming challenges, by first showing how badly the German GP went, then how they rallied to dominate Hungary, particularly the late charge on Verstappen.
Ferrari hasn't confirmed what they're doing, but I'd bet anything they had Netflix come to Monza.
Racing and Rally Crash Compilation 2019 Week 238 (11 mins)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHsAItn8s9g
one of the eternally difficult things about following motorsport is that when you're watching, you are so disconnected from the drivers because they are tucked away inside helmets and vehicles.
it's impossible to get a good feel for the personalities and storylines behind motorsport if you exclusively watch the events themselves. You need to be following close attention to the news, room is, and extra interviews and media coverage in order to follow the storylines. if all you do is watch the races themselves, it's essentially just a bunch of cars going around a track, which is exactly the criticism my wife has always levelled at F1 until I had her sit down and watch the Netflix show with me. now she's gripped by the personalities behind it, we even listen to the Beyond the Grid podcast in the car together whenever we're going places.
I imagine, of course, that there's a small contingent of hardcore fans who bemoan the Netflix show. Every hobby or community has that group of fans who decry casual fans and any attempt to engage casual fans. But I think it was an inspired idea to work with Netflix to create this content and I hope they continue doing it.
Even as someone who watches every race, every qualifying session, every practice session, and follows pretty much every significant bit of media coverage, I'm sure there are storylines that didn't surface which will make it into drive to survive for the next season, and I'm looking forward to reviewing and revisiting this 2019 season once all is said and done and it will be fascinating to see what things went on behind the scenes that we didn't know about at the time.
Drive to Survive was one big reason I bought the F1 TV season package and watch every race this season.
Its a fantastic show and I think the best part about season 1 was that neither Mercedes nor Ferrari played a part and so they could focus entirely on the rest of the field. Haas and Gunther Steiner in particular was a fascinating insight.
They basically rebuilt his entire lower leg and foot.
https://www.racefans.net/2019/10/03/correa-makes-first-public-comments-since-spa-crash/
“I understand my future regarding the recovery of my legs, specifically my right leg is still quite uncertain, and that my physical rehab will be extremely long and complicated.”
Last weekend was the final duo of DTM races for the season. The champion had been decided already before the weekend, but at Hockenheim, 3 cars from the Japanese Super GT came over. A Lexus, a Nissan and a Honda - the latter driven by Jenson Button.
https://www.motorsport.com/dtm/news/button-surviving-hockenheim-wet-race/4554112/
I was there yesterday and it was miserable. I want to cut together a few short videos I shot and upload them to YouTube, might do that later this week. I had pretty good seats - if it weren't raining. I had been here last year as well, when its been 28 degrees (Celsius, thats about 82 Fahrenheit) and sunny, compared to this outing to the swimmingpool yesterday.
I would love to see the DTM race the Super GT in good conditions - maybe the joined Fuji race in November will provide that.
This year I went to 4 race weekends - DTM at the Lausitzring and Hockenheimring, Vintage Grand Prix and Blancpain GT3 at the Nürburgring. The Nürburgring was great both times - the other two weekends were either too hot or too wet. Also, Hockenheim is just too far away for a one day trip (about 300km / 185 miles), whereas Nürburgring, as well as Spa and Zolder in Belgium are between 125-140km (77-86 miles).
It's a good documentary, but take some of it with a grain of salt. It was written and shot to make Senna look as heroic as possible and to paint Balestre and Prost as villains (which is not hard in the case of Balestre, he was a real bastard). It's still a great watch, just remember that it's very pro-Senna and to get the real measure of the man outside of just his immense talent you need to get some other sources.
At least in closing it shows Prost as a pallbearer, and makes the point that he is/was a trustee of the Instituto Ayrton Senna that has done such good work for underprivileged kids in Brazil.
I don't know for certain, honestly, but I hope they managed to bury the hatchet. With Prost's retirement in 1993, there was time before Senna's untimely death.
There are a few other niggles with it too, such as it glossing over the European GP at Donington in '93, that was one of Senna's absolute finest drives. The opening lap alone was one for the ages and should have been included. (Also look for the footage in the closing credits of Senna stopping his car on track during qualifying at Spa '92, jumping out, and running to the aid of Erik Comas, who had crashed heavily, until doctors arrived on the scene - Senna's actions probably saved Comas' life.)
The movie is not perfect (and I agree it's best taken with other sources too). But it is still absolutely brilliant and required watching.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGykmw1M_Y4
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.saturday-running-cancelled-in-japan-full-revised-timetable-for-sunday.7bCNvGLXjco9zJUIEKgtvu.html
Not unexpected given that they're being hit by a typhoon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLkLtBkUVuo
Couple great Bathurst videos. The original lap of the gods:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRzLBFQ5M2Y
The Scott Mclaughlin remix:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jHUjT02OhY
Watch on a few more laps for me relaxing too much, getting over confident, spinning, and having to pass him again
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/248674538?t=05h04m43s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5lmjirJUC4
edit: BMW and Audi monster GT3 cars entering Turn 1 and suddenly a very normal looking silver BMW 3-Series appears on the exit. VLN
Let’s do it!