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[Formula One & motorsport] Le Mans 24 Hours: Please stop crashing into Sophia Flörsch

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    edited May 2020
    News from real F1! The budget cap has been agreed at $145m for 2021, then $140m in 2022, and $135m from 2023-25. Even sticklers Ferrari finally agreed it was the best option in the current climate.

    The two races at Silverstone are likely to be pushed to August as a result of the UK government's forthcoming quarantine restrictions for arrivals into the UK, coming into force in June. As a result, Hungary will provide the third part of a triple-header, with Austria still hosting the first two rounds. Germany (courtesy of Hockenheim) is ready to step in should Silverstone not be able to happen. (The cancellation of the Silverstone Classic has freed up the weekend of 2 August.) Spain will follow the British races, with Belgium and Italy retaining their original dates on the calendar and rounding out the European season. Further fly-away races will follow, details to be determined.

    So far it looks like this:

    Round 1, Austria, 5 July
    Round 2, Austria, 12 July
    Round 3, Hungary, 19 July
    Round 4, Great Britain, 2 August
    Round 5, Great Britain, 9 August
    Round 6, Spain, 16 August
    Round 7, Belgium, 30 August
    Round 8, Italy, 6 September

    Some of the races (notably the doubled-up ones) are likely to have different names, so we only have one named the British GP, etc.

    Also the Dutch Grand Prix was finally moved off the "postponed" list and officially cancelled, and will make its return next year.

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    davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    I would be very happy with watching some F1 this summer but I hope they all can do it and stay safe. Still feels early to me to be having even the minimum number of people to put on a race getting together.

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    DrovekDrovek Registered User regular
    And Toto Wolff going out as Team Principal, possibly staying only for the remainder of this "season."

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    SnicketysnickSnicketysnick The Greatest Hype Man in WesterosRegistered User regular
    Williams is apparently going on sale and has parted ways with Rokit

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    Also the Williams team (and wider company group) is up for sale.

    Not gonna lie, I find that incredibly sad.

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    altidaltid Registered User regular
    edited May 2020
    The Wolff situation still seems a bit unclear. I've seen some conflicting reports that he is staying beyond this season.

    Likewise Merc and Renault are both commiting to the sport long term, which is good news.

    Williams are a pretty tragic story all round over the past few years. There hasn't been much reported about it, but it sounds like there's quite a bit of dysfunction behind the scenes. There's little indication of why the sponsorship deal suddenly went sour (although rokit never quite seemed all that sound in the first place). Such a shame considering that at the start of the turbo hybrid era they were in a great spot but it has been all downhill from there to the point where they're solidly the back of the grid.

    Edit: Looked at Williams standings/points total and it makes for some grim reading (and I can't figure out tables apparently):

    2014 320 3rd
    2015 257 3rd
    2016 138 5th
    2017 83 5th
    2018 7 10th
    2019 1 10th

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    DrovekDrovek Registered User regular
    altid wrote: »
    The Wolff situation still seems a bit unclear. I've seen some conflicting reports that he is staying beyond this season.

    Likewise Merc and Renault are both commiting to the sport long term, which is good news.

    Williams are a pretty tragic story all round over the past few years. There hasn't been much reported about it, but it sounds like there's quite a bit of dysfunction behind the scenes. There's little indication of why the sponsorship deal suddenly went sour (although rokit never quite seemed all that sound in the first place). Such a shame considering that at the start of the turbo hybrid era they were in a great spot but it has been all downhill from there to the point where they're solidly the back of the grid.

    Edit: Looked at Williams standings/points total and it makes for some grim reading (and I can't figure out tables apparently):

    2014 320 3rd
    2015 257 3rd
    2016 138 5th
    2017 83 5th
    2018 7 10th
    2019 1 10th

    I've seen it mentioned Wolff only staying in an advisor position.

    Which actually leads the question of Hamilton staying in the long run (and maybe the Vettel in Merc thing not being as crazy.)

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    altidaltid Registered User regular
    edited May 2020
    Also, down to a 1:38.000 around silverstone. I'm only saying this because I like the rare incidence of having a time exact to the second.

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    How much do you reckon Williams would cost? If we club together maybe we could do it...

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    davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    Jazz wrote: »
    How much do you reckon Williams would cost? If we club together maybe we could do it...

    If only I could win the lottery, you’d instantly see a new, strange Williams sponsor/majority owner with a vague emblem resembling a stinky fruit.

    I wonder if Gabe would be so kind to make a livery. I’m leaning toward a Fruit Fucker for a testing livery.

    Oops, I’ve allowed my imagination to go a little wild.

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    davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    Double post to tell you all that ACC just went on Steam sale for half off and yes I just started remotely installing.

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    DrovekDrovek Registered User regular
    Double post to tell you all that ACC just went on Steam sale for half off and yes I just started remotely installing.

    And it's free play for the weekend. So if you wanted to give it a go, now's the time.

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    edited May 2020
    Jazz wrote: »
    How much do you reckon Williams would cost? If we club together maybe we could do it...

    If only I could win the lottery, you’d instantly see a new, strange Williams sponsor/majority owner with a vague emblem resembling a stinky fruit.

    I wonder if Gabe would be so kind to make a livery. I’m leaning toward a Fruit Fucker for a testing livery.

    Oops, I’ve allowed my imagination to go a little wild.

    Seems like a good business and growth opportunity for Gabir Motorsport.

    (Remember the genesis of Gabir Motors, as it was then, with Apex on the original Xbox? Circa 2003. Thanks to Apex Legends and Gabe's newfound interest in racing, it took me a bit of digging to find it...)

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    Mc zanyMc zany Registered User regular
    If I won the lottery I would paint the cars in a different gaming livery for each race, like the sonic thing in 1993.

    Yes that is a thing that happened

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    One of Senna's very finest races, that was.

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    DrovekDrovek Registered User regular
    Man, watching Alonso race the masters series is one hell of a sight. The man still has it in him.

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    DrovekDrovek Registered User regular
    Guess I'll join back into the F1 2019 thing, specially on this track and car.

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    altidaltid Registered User regular
    Can I add that silverstone has quite possibly the most annoying lap 'run in' by far? Exiting the chicane and accelerating through the final corner is not easy at the best of times, but when starting cold I just can't get the car to behave at all half the time. I don't know what it is either because it never gives me even half as much trouble when on an actual lap. It's just when starting cold (from the AI run in) the car feels completely different. It leads to tons of frustrating as hell "deleted this lap and next" moments before the lap has even started.

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    DirtyboyDirtyboy Registered User regular
    Such an insane car.

    FASTER THAN AN F1 CAR: Volkswagen I.D. R vs Chris Harris (EXTENDED) | Top Gear: Series 28

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aY3uhARp0A


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8il5ohB8FYk

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    TeeManTeeMan BrainSpoon Registered User regular
    What a spectacular machine. Hearing it whoosh past the hay-bales is about the best thing, near enough

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    i mean, if I were Wolff I wouldn't want to stay on another 3 years in this current format either

    team principal is a hard job, he already slam dunked it with style. now go through the motions for ANOTHER 3 years.... where at best you can only equal the job you've already turned in?

    no thanks, just linger around and be a figurehead, let someone else do the work

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    davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.f1-not-after-gimmicks-says-boss-chase-carey-after-talks-on-reverse-grids.f8eDUX3G3XH7VxAr9mOq9.html

    That’s too bad they won’t do reverse order grid on the second of doubleheader’s. I thought it would make things interesting. Oh well.

    They could do something like limit fuel more in one of the races or have the tire selection be dramatically different.

    It’ll be great to have races to watch but incredibly boring when the second of double headers is basically the same outcome as the first.

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    tsmvengytsmvengy Registered User regular
    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.f1-not-after-gimmicks-says-boss-chase-carey-after-talks-on-reverse-grids.f8eDUX3G3XH7VxAr9mOq9.html

    That’s too bad they won’t do reverse order grid on the second of doubleheader’s. I thought it would make things interesting. Oh well.

    They could do something like limit fuel more in one of the races or have the tire selection be dramatically different.

    It’ll be great to have races to watch but incredibly boring when the second of double headers is basically the same outcome as the first.

    Sprinklers spraying the track!

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    VishNubVishNub Registered User regular
    edited June 2020
    One set of tires for practice, quali, and both races

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    tsmvengytsmvengy Registered User regular
    VishNub wrote: »
    One set of tires for practice, quali, and both races

    Party like it's 2005.

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    DrovekDrovek Registered User regular
    So the world is falling to pieces, apparently, and in a way it kind of feels weird to even try to follow and feel excited about this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmoozD3zHvc

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    It's been one of those weeks, and updating the F1 hot laps unfortunately fell through the cracks, to the point that I've not actually done a lap of Silverstone yet! Rather than just suddenly move on, I'll extend this one (as done before) until the 10th so we can get back to changing tracks on Wednesday evenings.

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    SnicketysnickSnicketysnick The Greatest Hype Man in WesterosRegistered User regular
    This is a fun little timed challenge

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/52462003

    19/25 for me

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    VishNubVishNub Registered User regular
    There’s a crowd less NASCAR event on now. It’s very odd to watch.

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    This is a fun little timed challenge

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/52462003

    19/25 for me

    21/25 for me. Looking at the answers there was one I flat-out forgot had ever got a pole so it was a surprise. Kicking myself about at least two of the others. Well, three.

    I'm not good at anagrams so I just tried to remember them. I banged out 16 of them in the first three minutes and then spent twelve minutes racking my brains to scrape up five more!

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    altidaltid Registered User regular
    Got 24/25 mostly through trying names that I suspected had a pole. The anagram did help for a few of the last ones.

    The one I missed?
    Massa. Should have got it!

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    altid wrote: »
    Got 24/25 mostly through trying names that I suspected had a pole. The anagram did help for a few of the last ones.

    The one I missed?
    Massa. Should have got it!

    I got him!

    I missed
    Hulkenberg, Kubica, Ralf Schumacher, and the one I probably never would have remembered was Heidfeld.

    My excuse is that I missed the vast majority of F1 from about 2000 through 2006 while in the States when it was nigh-impossible to follow. In 2007 I discovered the BBC's Chequered Flag podcast - hosted then by David Croft, now Sky's commentator - and got back into it that way.

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    altidaltid Registered User regular
    Jazz wrote: »
    altid wrote: »
    Got 24/25 mostly through trying names that I suspected had a pole. The anagram did help for a few of the last ones.

    The one I missed?
    Massa. Should have got it!

    I got him!

    I missed
    Hulkenberg, Kubica, Ralf Schumacher, and the one I probably never would have remembered was Heidfeld.

    My excuse is that I missed the vast majority of F1 from about 2000 through 2006 while in the States when it was nigh-impossible to follow. In 2007 I discovered the BBC's Chequered Flag podcast - hosted then by David Croft, now Sky's commentator - and got back into it that way.
    I got Kubica/Ralf/Heidfeld mostly through thinking "who drove for BMW when they were around?". I knew they were challengers at the time, so figured they had to have a pole or two. Started with Kubica, remembered that Heidfeld could have had a win but for something that gave it to Kubica instead, and got Ralf from starting at the anagram too long. Took me far too long to get Hulkenberg, mostly a combo of the list being chronological and racking myself thinking 'who was the other Nico on the grid?'

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    SnicketysnickSnicketysnick The Greatest Hype Man in WesterosRegistered User regular
    altid wrote: »
    Jazz wrote: »
    altid wrote: »
    Got 24/25 mostly through trying names that I suspected had a pole. The anagram did help for a few of the last ones.

    The one I missed?
    Massa. Should have got it!

    I got him!

    I missed
    Hulkenberg, Kubica, Ralf Schumacher, and the one I probably never would have remembered was Heidfeld.

    My excuse is that I missed the vast majority of F1 from about 2000 through 2006 while in the States when it was nigh-impossible to follow. In 2007 I discovered the BBC's Chequered Flag podcast - hosted then by David Croft, now Sky's commentator - and got back into it that way.
    I got Kubica/Ralf/Heidfeld mostly through thinking "who drove for BMW when they were around?". I knew they were challengers at the time, so figured they had to have a pole or two. Started with Kubica, remembered that Heidfeld could have had a win but for something that gave it to Kubica instead, and got Ralf from starting at the anagram too long. Took me far too long to get Hulkenberg, mostly a combo of the list being chronological and racking myself thinking 'who was the other Nico on the grid?'
    I missed Kubica of all people, Ralf and a couple of others I don't remember now, I was so indignant about Ralf I looked him up on wikipedia and apparently he got 6 poles???

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    edited June 2020
    altid wrote: »
    Can I add that silverstone has quite possibly the most annoying lap 'run in' by far? Exiting the chicane and accelerating through the final corner is not easy at the best of times, but when starting cold I just can't get the car to behave at all half the time. I don't know what it is either because it never gives me even half as much trouble when on an actual lap. It's just when starting cold (from the AI run in) the car feels completely different. It leads to tons of frustrating as hell "deleted this lap and next" moments before the lap has even started.

    Don't worry too much... because once again I'm going to have to admit defeat, on a track I just don't excel at and in a car that I'd forgotten just how tricky it is.
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    So this time I'm having to settle for a fairly dismal 1:38.432. Curses, bested again!

    Oh well, change of virtual scenery in just over 24 hours... make sure those times are up on the spreadsheet, guys!

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    yotesyotes Registered User regular
    This is a fun little timed challenge

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/52462003

    19/25 for me
    21/25. I had kind of forgotten that Heikki Kovalainen existed, but I was sure the name with all the K's had to be Finnish.

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    edited June 2020
    yotes wrote: »
    This is a fun little timed challenge

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/52462003

    19/25 for me
    21/25. I had kind of forgotten that Heikki Kovalainen existed, but I was sure the name with all the K's had to be Finnish.
    I miss Heikki in F1, absolutely lovely bloke. Completely subverted the taciturn Finnish stereotype, and also had good taste in music (IMO), he was a fan of, and friends with, Nightwish - of whom I'm a huge fan fan! Heikki even jammed with them in their studio (he plays drums IIRC), and (while hunting for a link) I've only just found out he took them as his guests to the 2008 Brazilian GP - never thought I'd see a pic of Lewis Hamilton with Tuomas Holopainen!

    https://www.nuclearblast.de/en/label/music/band/news/details/73994.70948.nightwish-partying-with-formula-1-champion-hamilton.html

    Damn, I miss the guy even more now!

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    edited June 2020
    Goddamn busted edit function on mobile, will have to fix that when I'm back at my PC :lol: (Edit: and done. Nothing to see here :wink: )

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    PA F1 Hot Laps moves on (about thirteen hours late, sorry) to the German Grand Prix at Hockenheim! A track where I wish they hadn't torn up the old circuit. I get why it couldn't be used any more, I just wish it had been left standing in some way for its heritage. I used to love the blast through the forest in older F1 games. Round turn one, flat out for ages, chicane, flat out for ages, chicane, flat out for ages, chicane, flat out for ages, stadium section, repeat. With my privileged position of not risking my life when racing around it, there was something quite zen about it all. I loathed the new layout when I first saw it, but I've warmed to it since. But I still miss the old track.

    For this one we're back in our comfort zone of 2019 cars, using the Toro Rosso.

    The standings are getting very close indeed in the Controller category, with @altid now only four points behind me after a series of strong runs. It's all to play for!

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    altidaltid Registered User regular
    Old Hockenheim was a blast! Genuine shame that they ripped it up. Also a circuit that had very different setup requirements to most (i.e. no wings) but I guess we still have Monza as an engine power circuit.

    Anohter lap vid for the sake of it. In hindsight, there's a lot of stuff I didn't like about it (you can see chunks of time dropped compared to previous runs, then recovered, then lost etc), but always looks so much easier when watching it than it does to actually do the lap. The game also lets me away with a bit at Stowe because their track limits are busted there.

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