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[Hiberno-Britannic Politics] Winning The Argument Looks A Lot Like Losing
Bogart
Streetwise HerculesRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
Streetwise HerculesRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
So, how about that Brexit, eh?
Discussion of Irish/UK politics goes here. The short version is: bad times.
Here is a link with an explanation of how Parliament works.
A link detailing the Good Friday Agreement, an important thing which stopped people blowing each other up and which is made unsafe by Brexit.
The Guardian Liveblog is always useful to keep up with the day's events and will often have some explanations of some of the weird ins and outs. Click the red Live section to hit the actual blog.
Discussion of Irish/UK politics goes here. The short version is: bad times.
Here is a link with an explanation of how Parliament works.
A link detailing the Good Friday Agreement, an important thing which stopped people blowing each other up and which is made unsafe by Brexit.
The Guardian Liveblog is always useful to keep up with the day's events and will often have some explanations of some of the weird ins and outs. Click the red Live section to hit the actual blog.
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They wouldn't leak a fake option so the EU has to come out and declare it fake, only for their own fake news circuit to paint it as "EU continues to refuse to co-operate?"
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Anyway, here is the politics editor of the BBC tweeting No. 10’s version of the call.
Harry Dunn is the young man who was killed when his motorbike collided with the car of the wife of the US ambassador to the UK. That woman has since returned to the US, refusing to return to be questioned by UK police officers about the accident.
Now, I don’t want to cross the streams too much here, but I expect most people reading this thread have also been reading the Trump impeachment and US foreign policy threads. So with those threads in your mind... here’s CNN reporter and legendary fact checker Dan Dale with Trump’s version of the call, as described by Trump to an audience at his rally tonight.
“They’ll be doing certain things for us.”
What things?
What did Trump promise to do in return?
who cares, trump probably forgot immediately after
(Steven Swinford is deputy political editor of the times)
There's just so much wrong with wilson's statement I don't know where to start. It demonstrates both that they're only interesting in wielding absolute power - dismissing both the majority of people in NI who support remain and the other parties which outnumer them. "Democratic" my ass. The framing also reveals they literally do not care about anyone but their tribe. They can't be allowed any veto over the issue.
While I'm on the DUP being absolute scum, there's a good article on the guardian referencing the 'soldier F' crap going around:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/09/dup-soldier-f-protests-arlene-foster-bloody-sunday-murders
It shows just how extreme the dup are, and it only skims over the top of it. How could anyone possibly support the parachute regiment in the wake of the Saville Inquiry? It's an utter discrace that it was brushed over by media at large and reframed as "just an NI thing". It should have been a much larger scandal, especially given the continued revelations about their actions in inquiries such as the Ballymurphy inquiry. But no, it has been spun into "support the troops" and "just following orders" type crap. The article also doesn't mention the well known link between these banners and loyalist paramilitaries. It's who the dup are in fully in bed with, and have been for quite some time.
So nothing concrete, but equally the door hasn't been shut on a deal. The line about them both seeing a pathway to a possible deal seems more positive than I would have expected.
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Fuck Joe Manchin
Customs down the Irish sea, with there being some mechinism for northern ireland to give or withdraw consent, seems like the landing zone for a revised deal. Would that get through parliament though?
The EU might be OK with a super duper double secret majority requirement to veto or withdraw from the agreement. That won’t fly with the DUP though.
So maybe custom's union with a NI observer in the EU parliament is the price we pay for Boris to lock in the English Tory vote.
Yes, but the DUP stopped mattering when the government lost its majority. Johnson doesn’t need to appease them anymore. He needs to appease the opposition parties just enough to squeeze a deal through.
A billion dollars for 2 years and 69 days of mindless yes-manning with the occasional glare whenever the PM got out of line, split between ten people.
Nice work if you can get it
(Yes I know the money didn't just go to the DUP MPs)
Him getting justice for a family that was denied it due to abuse of diplomatic status would be a win and distract from the dumpster fire that has been his government.
The DUP don’t matter for a majority since Boris blew that right out of the water, but somehow they’re still hanging around and it seems like their views carry more weight than other’s in Parliament. I don’t quite understand why that’s the case, but that’s the impression I get.
Because they're Irish, but not Irish Irish.
Because we have nothing to vote on, and they have kind of hung around. If you were important once, you can kind of floke your way into relevance until something shows you're not.
I feel like anything important enough to require a super majority to decide should always make the default option be the one that maintains the status quo. That seems like democracy 101 to me.
broadly this is going to happen either way because it is a requirement for both sides to appear to have made a credible effort
it is possible that the cons go for a deal that appeases hard brexiters in parliament but abandons dup in order to send it in to parliament to die so they can show they are trying but default case still nothing comes
My congratulations to the Conservative Party on their victory in the next general election.
EVERYBODY WANTS TO SIT IN THE BIG CHAIR, MEG!
It means cabbage, or herb, depending on context. The english equivalent might be more like 'green stuff' - clearly derogatory, but puzzling.
*crickets*
The James Dyson who announced today that he’s scrapping his entire Electric Car project. Via Sky News
Insert joke about making a big decision three years ago and changing his mind now here
It might come to nothing, but it’s been growing steadily all day so keep an eye out.