So AG Barr gave an insane lesson in projection to the Federalist Society last night, where he laid out just how much the president should be above the law.
It's pissed a bunch of lawyer types off and renewed public calls for his impeachment. This speech is rather scary when you think about what Trump might try as impeachment continues to get uglier for him.
I can only read the thumbnail, the Twitter don't work on my phone. Can anyone paste the whole thing because what I can read is already horrible .
In any age, the so-called progressives treat politics as their religion. Their holy mission is to use the coercive power of the State to remake man and society in their own image, according to an abstract ideal of perfection. Whatever means they use are therefore justified because, by definition, they are a virtuous people pursing a deific end. They are willing to use any means necessary to gain momentary advantage in achieving their end, regardless of collateral consequences and the systemic implications. They never ask whether the actions they take could be justified as a general rule of conduct, equally applicable to all sides.
Conservatives, on the other hand, do not seek an earthly paradise. We are interested in preserving over the long run the proper balance of freedom and order necessary for healthy development of natural civil society and individual human flourishing. This means that we naturally test the propriety and wisdom of action under a “rule of law” standard. The essence of this standard is to ask what the overall impact on society over the long run if the action we are taking, or principle we are applying, in a given circumstance was universalized—that is, would it be good for society over the long haul if this was done in all like circumstances?
For these reasons, conservatives tend to have more scruple over their political tactics and rarely feel that the ends justify the means. And this is as it should be, but there is no getting around the fact that this puts conservatives at a disadvantage when facing progressive holy far, especially when doing so under the weight of a hyper-partisan media.
So AG Barr gave an insane lesson in projection to the Federalist Society last night, where he laid out just how much the president should be above the law.
It's pissed a bunch of lawyer types off and renewed public calls for his impeachment. This speech is rather scary when you think about what Trump might try as impeachment continues to get uglier for him.
I can only read the thumbnail, the Twitter don't work on my phone. Can anyone paste the whole thing because what I can read is already horrible .
In any age, the so-called progressives treat politics as their religion. Their holy mission is to use the coercive power of the State to remake man and society in their own image, according to an abstract ideal of perfection. Whatever means they use are therefore justified because, by definition, they are a virtuous people pursing a deific end. They are willing to use any means necessary to gain momentary advantage in achieving their end, regardless of collateral consequences and the systemic implications. They never ask whether the actions they take could be justified as a general rule of conduct, equally applicable to all sides.
Conservatives, on the other hand, do not seek an earthly paradise. We are interested in preserving over the long run the proper balance of freedom and order necessary for healthy development of natural civil society and individual human flourishing. This means that we naturally test the propriety and wisdom of action under a “rule of law” standard. The essence of this standard is to ask what the overall impact on society over the long run if the action we are taking, or principle we are applying, in a given circumstance was universalized—that is, would it be good for society over the long haul if this was done in all like circumstances?
For these reasons, conservatives tend to have more scruple over their political tactics and rarely feel that the ends justify the means. And this is as it should be, but there is no getting around the fact that this puts conservatives at a disadvantage when facing progressive holy far, especially when doing so under the weight of a hyper-partisan media.
It's such meaningless gobbledegook; like I could easily swap progressives and conservatives in this and it would be about as accurate.
So AG Barr gave an insane lesson in projection to the Federalist Society last night, where he laid out just how much the president should be above the law.
It's pissed a bunch of lawyer types off and renewed public calls for his impeachment. This speech is rather scary when you think about what Trump might try as impeachment continues to get uglier for him.
I can only read the thumbnail, the Twitter don't work on my phone. Can anyone paste the whole thing because what I can read is already horrible .
In any age, the so-called progressives treat politics as their religion. Their holy mission is to use the coercive power of the State to remake man and society in their own image, according to an abstract ideal of perfection. Whatever means they use are therefore justified because, by definition, they are a virtuous people pursing a deific end. They are willing to use any means necessary to gain momentary advantage in achieving their end, regardless of collateral consequences and the systemic implications. They never ask whether the actions they take could be justified as a general rule of conduct, equally applicable to all sides.
Conservatives, on the other hand, do not seek an earthly paradise. We are interested in preserving over the long run the proper balance of freedom and order necessary for healthy development of natural civil society and individual human flourishing. This means that we naturally test the propriety and wisdom of action under a “rule of law” standard. The essence of this standard is to ask what the overall impact on society over the long run if the action we are taking, or principle we are applying, in a given circumstance was universalized—that is, would it be good for society over the long haul if this was done in all like circumstances?
For these reasons, conservatives tend to have more scruple over their political tactics and rarely feel that the ends justify the means. And this is as it should be, but there is no getting around the fact that this puts conservatives at a disadvantage when facing progressive holy far, especially when doing so under the weight of a hyper-partisan media.
What a load of shit.
Thanks for posting the whole thing.
Conservative scruples are of course supposedly based on a book written by men who hadn't figured out germ theory, the level of physics we teach to 11 year olds or why fucking your first cousin might go wrong.
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So AG Barr gave an insane lesson in projection to the Federalist Society last night, where he laid out just how much the president should be above the law.
It's pissed a bunch of lawyer types off and renewed public calls for his impeachment. This speech is rather scary when you think about what Trump might try as impeachment continues to get uglier for him.
I can only read the thumbnail, the Twitter don't work on my phone. Can anyone paste the whole thing because what I can read is already horrible .
In any age, the so-called progressives treat politics as their religion. Their holy mission is to use the coercive power of the State to remake man and society in their own image, according to an abstract ideal of perfection. Whatever means they use are therefore justified because, by definition, they are a virtuous people pursing a deific end. They are willing to use any means necessary to gain momentary advantage in achieving their end, regardless of collateral consequences and the systemic implications. They never ask whether the actions they take could be justified as a general rule of conduct, equally applicable to all sides.
Conservatives, on the other hand, do not seek an earthly paradise. We are interested in preserving over the long run the proper balance of freedom and order necessary for healthy development of natural civil society and individual human flourishing. This means that we naturally test the propriety and wisdom of action under a “rule of law” standard. The essence of this standard is to ask what the overall impact on society over the long run if the action we are taking, or principle we are applying, in a given circumstance was universalized—that is, would it be good for society over the long haul if this was done in all like circumstances?
For these reasons, conservatives tend to have more scruple over their political tactics and rarely feel that the ends justify the means. And this is as it should be, but there is no getting around the fact that this puts conservatives at a disadvantage when facing progressive holy far, especially when doing so under the weight of a hyper-partisan media.
It's such meaningless gobbledegook; like I could easily swap progressives and conservatives in this and it would be about as accurate.
It reads like projection, as does so much of what comes out of this administration.
So AG Barr gave an insane lesson in projection to the Federalist Society last night, where he laid out just how much the president should be above the law.
It's pissed a bunch of lawyer types off and renewed public calls for his impeachment. This speech is rather scary when you think about what Trump might try as impeachment continues to get uglier for him.
I can only read the thumbnail, the Twitter don't work on my phone. Can anyone paste the whole thing because what I can read is already horrible .
In any age, the so-called progressives treat politics as their religion. Their holy mission is to use the coercive power of the State to remake man and society in their own image, according to an abstract ideal of perfection. Whatever means they use are therefore justified because, by definition, they are a virtuous people pursing a deific end. They are willing to use any means necessary to gain momentary advantage in achieving their end, regardless of collateral consequences and the systemic implications. They never ask whether the actions they take could be justified as a general rule of conduct, equally applicable to all sides.
Conservatives, on the other hand, do not seek an earthly paradise. We are interested in preserving over the long run the proper balance of freedom and order necessary for healthy development of natural civil society and individual human flourishing. This means that we naturally test the propriety and wisdom of action under a “rule of law” standard. The essence of this standard is to ask what the overall impact on society over the long run if the action we are taking, or principle we are applying, in a given circumstance was universalized—that is, would it be good for society over the long haul if this was done in all like circumstances?
For these reasons, conservatives tend to have more scruple over their political tactics and rarely feel that the ends justify the means. And this is as it should be, but there is no getting around the fact that this puts conservatives at a disadvantage when facing progressive holy far, especially when doing so under the weight of a hyper-partisan media.
What a load of shit.
Thanks for posting the whole thing.
If you can stomach it I recommend reading the whole thing. He goes so far as to say that the founders weren't so worried about a king ruling america, but actually the legislature. Then he says that founders never meant for the judiciary to adjudicate fights between the legislature or president, or rule on limits to the executive's power. He's doing the same shit christian televangelists do when they tell you that actually Jesus didn't care about people being rich even though the story about the temple moneychangers is like...right there.
He talks a big talk about scruples and what's "right" but delivers a hot take of a speech specifically meant to get Donald Trump off the hook from impeachment.
If you're going to talk about that speech of Barr's please make sure to tie it specifically to impeachment, and not just how Barr is a giant fuckweasel.
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He talks a big talk about scruples and what's "right" but delivers a hot take of a speech specifically meant to get Donald Trump off the hook from impeachment.
As noted previously, that's the main (if not the entire) reason he got the job.
That Barr quote boils down the GOP defense on Trump, but it’s easy to get blinded by the hypocrisy.
In one paragraph he says the left “are willing to use any means necessary to gain momentary advantage in achieving their end.”
Then the next paragraph he says conservatives, “ask what the overall impact on society over the long run if the action we are taking, or principle we are applying, in a given circumstance was universalized—that is, would it be good for society over the long haul if this was done in all like circumstances?”
It’s the same fucking thing, but reflected in a shit covered mirror without a hint of irony.
Barr is saying for the left, the ends justify the means, but their means are evil by the phrasing “any means”. And for the right, the ends also justify the means, but any evil they do is okay, because their utopia is good vs the evil lefties.
This is basically an acknowledgment by Barr that Trump and what he does is evil, but he’s a necessary evil because what the left wants to build in the future is “unimaginably worse” somehow than what Trump is currently doing here and now. So we must protect Trump from impeachment and re-elect him at all costs, or else!
And these people will each Trump’s shit on a golden plate they paid for because they are afraid of a shadow of a monster that only exists in their heads. It’s sad.
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I mean, yeah, my experience from the past few weeks is that “we aren’t the baddies, they are the baddies” and projecting all the things they do onto the other side is how the right is operating with the cognitive dissonance of this situation.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Eh, I've been getting more of an "everybody does this, Obama* just didn't get caught" vibe. Because bottomless cynicism and apathy are easier than acknowledging that one side winds up in prison/plea deals a lot more often.
Eh, I've been getting more of an "everybody does this, Obama* just didn't get caught" vibe. Because bottomless cynicism and apathy are easier than acknowledging that one side winds up in prison/plea deals a lot more often.
*insert any other Democrat here
Well its been one of the several hundred defenses pundits have been using to try and explain their complicitness with Trumpian bullshit. "Well everyone does this, Trump just got caught" uhh no he got caught because what he was doing was so braznely wrong it got people up off their feet.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Eh, I've been getting more of an "everybody does this, Obama* just didn't get caught" vibe. Because bottomless cynicism and apathy are easier than acknowledging that one side winds up in prison/plea deals a lot more often.
*insert any other Democrat here
Well its been one of the several hundred defenses pundits have been using to try and explain their complicitness with Trumpian bullshit. "Well everyone does this, Trump just got caught" uhh no he got caught because what he was doing was so braznely wrong it got people up off their feet.
The reason Trump *does* this shit is that he's a conspiracy theorist who thinks it's normal and what everyone secretly does when they have power.
Eh, I've been getting more of an "everybody does this, Obama* just didn't get caught" vibe. Because bottomless cynicism and apathy are easier than acknowledging that one side winds up in prison/plea deals a lot more often.
*insert any other Democrat here
Well its been one of the several hundred defenses pundits have been using to try and explain their complicitness with Trumpian bullshit. "Well everyone does this, Trump just got caught" uhh no he got caught because what he was doing was so braznely wrong it got people up off their feet.
The reason Trump *does* this shit is that he's a conspiracy theorist who thinks it's normal and what everyone secretly does when they have power.
Its not just Trump its the GOP in general, like it always feels like projection with these jackals. "oh we know Obama was doing all these crimes even though we literally had to make up shit about what color suits he wore, HE WAS JUST THAT SNEAKY!"
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Eh, I've been getting more of an "everybody does this, Obama* just didn't get caught" vibe. Because bottomless cynicism and apathy are easier than acknowledging that one side winds up in prison/plea deals a lot more often.
*insert any other Democrat here
If Obama has done anything even close to this Trump would have been singing about it as loud as humanly possible.
Eh, I've been getting more of an "everybody does this, Obama* just didn't get caught" vibe. Because bottomless cynicism and apathy are easier than acknowledging that one side winds up in prison/plea deals a lot more often.
*insert any other Democrat here
Well its been one of the several hundred defenses pundits have been using to try and explain their complicitness with Trumpian bullshit. "Well everyone does this, Trump just got caught" uhh no he got caught because what he was doing was so braznely wrong it got people up off their feet.
The reason Trump *does* this shit is that he's a conspiracy theorist who thinks it's normal and what everyone secretly does when they have power.
I can never tell if Trump does this shit because he thinks it's just how it works, or if his brain even makes it past "I want this, therefore I will do the thing that gets me this."
Observing the shift in pundit commentary as they try to defend it, it's pretty obvious they know this stuff is wrong, but are loathe to give up the shiny toy of GOP rule. They're basically now at, "yeah, this shit is impeachable, but who cares, we got SCOTUS."
Though my current favorite defense is "Trump shouldn't be impeached because we all know the Senate will acquit, just suck it up, Dems."
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I think characterizations that describe him as basically an average Fox News viewer, but rich and also the President, are accurate. I would absolutely believe that he thinks everything he’s done is fine, because he believes that every politician is as corrupt as the Fox News demographic describes them as.
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Trump doesn't have the kind of consistency that you can brand his actions as having particular motives behind them.
A sunbeam might have distracted him in the oval office one day and suddenly he's committing felonies what a whoopsie doodle.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
He has consistency in that the things he does are either for his benefit or for Russia’s benefit.
Odd how that always seems to line up. Everything Trump does has the impetus of personally enriching himself or helping Russia/Putin subvert the power of the West in some way, shape, or form.
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Half the things he does don’t benefit him at all and are just spite!
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Eh, I've been getting more of an "everybody does this, Obama* just didn't get caught" vibe. Because bottomless cynicism and apathy are easier than acknowledging that one side winds up in prison/plea deals a lot more often.
*insert any other Democrat here
Well its been one of the several hundred defenses pundits have been using to try and explain their complicitness with Trumpian bullshit. "Well everyone does this, Trump just got caught" uhh no he got caught because what he was doing was so braznely wrong it got people up off their feet.
The reason Trump *does* this shit is that he's a conspiracy theorist who thinks it's normal and what everyone secretly does when they have power.
I can never tell if Trump does this shit because he thinks it's just how it works, or if his brain even makes it past "I want this, therefore I will do the thing that gets me this."
Observing the shift in pundit commentary as they try to defend it, it's pretty obvious they know this stuff is wrong, but are loathe to give up the shiny toy of GOP rule. They're basically now at, "yeah, this shit is impeachable, but who cares, we got SCOTUS."
Though my current favorite defense is "Trump shouldn't be impeached because we all know the Senate will acquit, just suck it up, Dems."
Which shows these assholes know exactly how the public will react when the Senate acquits Trump. They don't want their precious shitty republicans having to make a hard vote where they either eat shit from their god awful base or eat shit from the rest of the country for acquitting a criminal. So they desperately don't want the democrats to put the GOP in the shitty position. I'm glad to see the democrat response is telling them to fuck off, the GOP made their bed and now they can fucking deal with the consequences. The GOP didn't have to cozy up to criminal for the sake of power at the expense of the nation, they chose to do so and they deserve every shit sandwich that gets crammed down their collective throats as a result.
They benefit him in the sense that they give him a happy in the here and now, he just doesn't grasp long term self interest.
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Ctrl+Alt+Del'ing all of Obama's legislation out of spite still benefits him in the form of dopamine being released into his lizard brain and so that his awful base can feel like they're 'owning the libs' (even if it's detrimental to their own self interests).
Short term personal gain is all Trump considers, and guides his every decision up to and including extorting Ukraine to dig up dirt on and publicly blacken the reputation of his main political rival in the 2020 election.
It's not just Trump, the house threw a literal party when they passed leguslation that would have dropped thousands from healthcare, because it was sticking it to Obama.
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Have to agree. I mean, we can dissect and deride the GOP's shitty talking points but Pelosi realizes and sees through them for what they really are; a flailing distraction and nothing more. Not worth her time.
It remains maddening that Mueller and the Russia hacking scandal isn't part of the impeachment inquiry. Especially since Roger Stone was just convicted of lying about it to Congress.
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It remains maddening that Mueller and the Russia hacking scandal isn't part of the impeachment inquiry. Especially since Roger Stone was just convicted of lying about it to Congress.
In a sane world impeachment proceedings would have begun after the report came out and he'd be heading to a federal court soon as a defendant by now. Alas,
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It remains maddening that Mueller and the Russia hacking scandal isn't part of the impeachment inquiry. Especially since Roger Stone was just convicted of lying about it to Congress.
I'd rather that Pelosi and the House stay laser focused on Ukraine, and refuse to muddy the impeachment waters with the Mueller Report and prevent Barr's shit summary from being used again by the GOP as a shield for Trump's crimin'. It majorly sucks, yeah, but Pelosi is smart enough to pick and choose her battles.
Have to agree. I mean, we can dissect and deride the GOP's shitty talking points but Pelosi realizes and sees through them for what they really are; a flailing distraction and nothing more. Not worth her time.
It’s like trying to have a deep discussion involving the nuance of a toddler’s temper tantrum on international politics: it’s not worth the energy having and even if you do, baby is gonna cry at the next thing.
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Yes, and I'm actually glad Pelosi waited until there was a clear cut crime, that we could go to the Constitution and say, "this, this is a crime."
The Republicans aren't able to defend this one because they haven't spent three years muddying the waters with it like they have Russia, campaign finance, emoluments and porn stars.
And it's also a crime tied directly to Russian interests, as Pelosi pointed out directly to the president, which made him flip out and end the meeting.
It is absolutely not a coincidence that Trump was witholding aid to a country Russia is waging war against, or that one of the bribes he was soliciting in exchange for the aid was an "investigation" into Ukraine doing the 2016 election interference and not Russia just like Russia wants people to believe.
It's all further evidence of Trump being personally compromised by Putin.
But it's also a direct, simple, and pre-proven case of soliciting foreign election interference, so it can sidestep the calcified opinions on Russia.
Trump's impeachment ire turns on Pompeo amid diplomats' starring roles
Impeachment hearings have created a rift between the president and one of his staunchest allies in the administration.
WASHINGTON — The impeachment inquiry has created the first rift between President Donald Trump and the Cabinet member who has been his closest ally, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, according to four current and former senior administration officials.
Trump has fumed for weeks that Pompeo is responsible for hiring State Department officials whose congressional testimony threatens to bring down his presidency, the officials said. The president confronted Pompeo about the officials — and what he believed was a lackluster effort by the secretary of state to block their testimony — during lunch at the White House on Oct. 29, those familiar with the matter said.
Inside the White House, the view was that Trump “just felt like, ‘rein your people in,’” a senior administration official said.
Trump particularly blames Pompeo for tapping Ambassador Bill Taylor in June to be the top U.S. diplomat in Ukraine, the current and former senior administration officials said.
“He feels like he's getting a bunch of blame from the president and the White House for having hired all these people who are turning against Trump,” an official familiar with the dynamic said of Pompeo, “and that it's the State Department that is going to bring him down, so it's all Pompeo's fault.”
According to administration officials, Pompeo’s refusal to publicly defend Yovanovitch cemented a wider view within the State Department that he has enabled some of Trump’s impulsive foreign policy decisions, such as the withdrawal of U.S. special forces from Syria after a phone call with Turkey’s President Erdgoan.
“Pompeo is hated by his building,” a person close to the secretary said, adding that he “feels the heat a great deal and feels it’s personal at state.”
Why isn't Pompeo doing enough to obstruct justice!?
Trump's impeachment ire turns on Pompeo amid diplomats' starring roles
Impeachment hearings have created a rift between the president and one of his staunchest allies in the administration.
WASHINGTON — The impeachment inquiry has created the first rift between President Donald Trump and the Cabinet member who has been his closest ally, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, according to four current and former senior administration officials.
Trump has fumed for weeks that Pompeo is responsible for hiring State Department officials whose congressional testimony threatens to bring down his presidency, the officials said. The president confronted Pompeo about the officials — and what he believed was a lackluster effort by the secretary of state to block their testimony — during lunch at the White House on Oct. 29, those familiar with the matter said.
Inside the White House, the view was that Trump “just felt like, ‘rein your people in,’” a senior administration official said.
Trump particularly blames Pompeo for tapping Ambassador Bill Taylor in June to be the top U.S. diplomat in Ukraine, the current and former senior administration officials said.
“He feels like he's getting a bunch of blame from the president and the White House for having hired all these people who are turning against Trump,” an official familiar with the dynamic said of Pompeo, “and that it's the State Department that is going to bring him down, so it's all Pompeo's fault.”
According to administration officials, Pompeo’s refusal to publicly defend Yovanovitch cemented a wider view within the State Department that he has enabled some of Trump’s impulsive foreign policy decisions, such as the withdrawal of U.S. special forces from Syria after a phone call with Turkey’s President Erdgoan.
“Pompeo is hated by his building,” a person close to the secretary said, adding that he “feels the heat a great deal and feels it’s personal at state.”
Why isn't Pompeo doing enough to obstruct justice!?
And goes to the point that Trump expects the government to work for, and protect, him.
It's not that these people are lying (at least not yet, in mainstream talking points), it's that they're putting the rule of law over loyalty to the Presidency. And that Pompeo isn’t doing enough to protect him.
Hey Donnie. Sorry, but that's how shit is supposed to work. Same as that Oath of Office you took? You're supposed to take that seriously. Like Taylor, Kent, Vindman and Yovonovich are. And like the Republicans in Congress are supposed to.
That is one sad commentary on this administration. The President is pissed at one of his people for staffing employees who are actually good at their jobs and take their oath to this country seriously. I keep having to explain to coworkers that when these pricks say "deep state", they mean us. We (government employees) are the deep state. We are "the enemy" of the President and his supporters. FML.
America is a business, and he's gonna run it like one. Specifically, like one of his businesses.
The people supporting him don't think he's a problem. The problem is his employees.
edit: I guarantee Trump has at least asked about getting every federal employee to sign one of his standard 'don't do anything mean to Trump' NDAs.
Honestly, Lashing out at pompeo right now might be the stupidest thing trump can be doing, since he needs him to keep as much of a lid on this as he can, and if mike decided he was tired of putting up with trumps abject stupidity and decided to support the impeachment Don would be completely screwed.
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What a load of shit.
Thanks for posting the whole thing.
It's such meaningless gobbledegook; like I could easily swap progressives and conservatives in this and it would be about as accurate.
Conservative scruples are of course supposedly based on a book written by men who hadn't figured out germ theory, the level of physics we teach to 11 year olds or why fucking your first cousin might go wrong.
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It reads like projection, as does so much of what comes out of this administration.
If you can stomach it I recommend reading the whole thing. He goes so far as to say that the founders weren't so worried about a king ruling america, but actually the legislature. Then he says that founders never meant for the judiciary to adjudicate fights between the legislature or president, or rule on limits to the executive's power. He's doing the same shit christian televangelists do when they tell you that actually Jesus didn't care about people being rich even though the story about the temple moneychangers is like...right there.
He talks a big talk about scruples and what's "right" but delivers a hot take of a speech specifically meant to get Donald Trump off the hook from impeachment.
As noted previously, that's the main (if not the entire) reason he got the job.
In one paragraph he says the left “are willing to use any means necessary to gain momentary advantage in achieving their end.”
Then the next paragraph he says conservatives, “ask what the overall impact on society over the long run if the action we are taking, or principle we are applying, in a given circumstance was universalized—that is, would it be good for society over the long haul if this was done in all like circumstances?”
It’s the same fucking thing, but reflected in a shit covered mirror without a hint of irony.
Barr is saying for the left, the ends justify the means, but their means are evil by the phrasing “any means”. And for the right, the ends also justify the means, but any evil they do is okay, because their utopia is good vs the evil lefties.
This is basically an acknowledgment by Barr that Trump and what he does is evil, but he’s a necessary evil because what the left wants to build in the future is “unimaginably worse” somehow than what Trump is currently doing here and now. So we must protect Trump from impeachment and re-elect him at all costs, or else!
And these people will each Trump’s shit on a golden plate they paid for because they are afraid of a shadow of a monster that only exists in their heads. It’s sad.
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Well its been one of the several hundred defenses pundits have been using to try and explain their complicitness with Trumpian bullshit. "Well everyone does this, Trump just got caught" uhh no he got caught because what he was doing was so braznely wrong it got people up off their feet.
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The reason Trump *does* this shit is that he's a conspiracy theorist who thinks it's normal and what everyone secretly does when they have power.
Its not just Trump its the GOP in general, like it always feels like projection with these jackals. "oh we know Obama was doing all these crimes even though we literally had to make up shit about what color suits he wore, HE WAS JUST THAT SNEAKY!"
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If Obama has done anything even close to this Trump would have been singing about it as loud as humanly possible.
I can never tell if Trump does this shit because he thinks it's just how it works, or if his brain even makes it past "I want this, therefore I will do the thing that gets me this."
Observing the shift in pundit commentary as they try to defend it, it's pretty obvious they know this stuff is wrong, but are loathe to give up the shiny toy of GOP rule. They're basically now at, "yeah, this shit is impeachable, but who cares, we got SCOTUS."
Though my current favorite defense is "Trump shouldn't be impeached because we all know the Senate will acquit, just suck it up, Dems."
A sunbeam might have distracted him in the oval office one day and suddenly he's committing felonies what a whoopsie doodle.
Odd how that always seems to line up. Everything Trump does has the impetus of personally enriching himself or helping Russia/Putin subvert the power of the West in some way, shape, or form.
Which shows these assholes know exactly how the public will react when the Senate acquits Trump. They don't want their precious shitty republicans having to make a hard vote where they either eat shit from their god awful base or eat shit from the rest of the country for acquitting a criminal. So they desperately don't want the democrats to put the GOP in the shitty position. I'm glad to see the democrat response is telling them to fuck off, the GOP made their bed and now they can fucking deal with the consequences. The GOP didn't have to cozy up to criminal for the sake of power at the expense of the nation, they chose to do so and they deserve every shit sandwich that gets crammed down their collective throats as a result.
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Ctrl+Alt+Del'ing all of Obama's legislation out of spite still benefits him in the form of dopamine being released into his lizard brain and so that his awful base can feel like they're 'owning the libs' (even if it's detrimental to their own self interests).
Short term personal gain is all Trump considers, and guides his every decision up to and including extorting Ukraine to dig up dirt on and publicly blacken the reputation of his main political rival in the 2020 election.
Yeah but like
You can’t use that as a basis for predicting his future actions because he’s an idiot and doesn’t know what he wants
Have to agree. I mean, we can dissect and deride the GOP's shitty talking points but Pelosi realizes and sees through them for what they really are; a flailing distraction and nothing more. Not worth her time.
In a sane world impeachment proceedings would have begun after the report came out and he'd be heading to a federal court soon as a defendant by now. Alas,
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I'd rather that Pelosi and the House stay laser focused on Ukraine, and refuse to muddy the impeachment waters with the Mueller Report and prevent Barr's shit summary from being used again by the GOP as a shield for Trump's crimin'. It majorly sucks, yeah, but Pelosi is smart enough to pick and choose her battles.
It’s like trying to have a deep discussion involving the nuance of a toddler’s temper tantrum on international politics: it’s not worth the energy having and even if you do, baby is gonna cry at the next thing.
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The Republicans aren't able to defend this one because they haven't spent three years muddying the waters with it like they have Russia, campaign finance, emoluments and porn stars.
It is absolutely not a coincidence that Trump was witholding aid to a country Russia is waging war against, or that one of the bribes he was soliciting in exchange for the aid was an "investigation" into Ukraine doing the 2016 election interference and not Russia just like Russia wants people to believe.
It's all further evidence of Trump being personally compromised by Putin.
But it's also a direct, simple, and pre-proven case of soliciting foreign election interference, so it can sidestep the calcified opinions on Russia.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/trump-s-impeachment-ire-turns-pompeo-amid-diplomats-starring-roles-n1082716
Why isn't Pompeo doing enough to obstruct justice!?
And goes to the point that Trump expects the government to work for, and protect, him.
It's not that these people are lying (at least not yet, in mainstream talking points), it's that they're putting the rule of law over loyalty to the Presidency. And that Pompeo isn’t doing enough to protect him.
Hey Donnie. Sorry, but that's how shit is supposed to work. Same as that Oath of Office you took? You're supposed to take that seriously. Like Taylor, Kent, Vindman and Yovonovich are. And like the Republicans in Congress are supposed to.
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The people supporting him don't think he's a problem. The problem is his employees.
edit: I guarantee Trump has at least asked about getting every federal employee to sign one of his standard 'don't do anything mean to Trump' NDAs.
So by all means Don, Keep screaming at Pompeo!
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