This thread keeps sprouting several hundred new posts every time I look away and yet the topic doesn't look like it's really changed at all. And this is just the start of the primaries
This thread keeps sprouting several hundred new posts every time I look away and yet the topic doesn't look like it's really changed at all. And this is just the start of the primaries
I've taken to just scrolling through and reading the highlights. Mods can suffer through reading everything. The poor, poor mods.
I can’t think of a single action during this entire debacle that would lead me to gaining any trust in the DNC and Perez. I didn’t start with much (hardly any) and they have, at best, lived up to my expectations.
I'm not sure what the DNC have done here that's the problem. The IDP seem to be mostly fucking this up all on their own.
I think where the DNC is at fault is they are the ones who insisted the IDP use this app for reporting results, instead of the original plan of having them all called in.
This thread keeps sprouting several hundred new posts every time I look away and yet the topic doesn't look like it's really changed at all. And this is just the start of the primaries
Did we ever get a consensus on whether the dumbass app was used by the IDP against the concerns of the DNC or the other way around
It’s both.
IDP wants to use phones, DNC says no, use an app.
IDP contracts app to Shadow.
Sometime before deployment DNC says don’t use the app, IDP sticks with app.
I can’t think of a single action during this entire debacle that would lead me to gaining any trust in the DNC and Perez. I didn’t start with much (hardly any) and they have, at best, lived up to my expectations.
I'm not sure what the DNC have done here that's the problem. The IDP seem to be mostly fucking this up all on their own.
I think where the DNC is at fault is they are the ones who insisted the IDP use this app for reporting results, instead of the original plan of having them all called in.
Except again the DNC said don't use the ap and the Iowa party said they were going to do it anyway. Like we've heard this both ways and I'm beginning to wonder if today is even thursday.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Did we ever get a consensus on whether the dumbass app was used by the IDP against the concerns of the DNC or the other way around
It’s both.
IDP wants to use phones, DNC says no, use an app.
IDP contracts app to Shadow.
Sometime before deployment DNC says don’t use the app, IDP sticks with app.
Did we ever get a consensus on whether the dumbass app was used by the IDP against the concerns of the DNC or the other way around
It’s both.
IDP wants to use phones, DNC says no, use an app.
IDP contracts app to Shadow.
Sometime before deployment DNC says don’t use the app, IDP sticks with app.
Peak Democrats tbh
Both phones and the app were compromised, so they were kind of fucked no matter what.
I can’t think of a single action during this entire debacle that would lead me to gaining any trust in the DNC and Perez. I didn’t start with much (hardly any) and they have, at best, lived up to my expectations.
I'm not sure what the DNC have done here that's the problem. The IDP seem to be mostly fucking this up all on their own.
I think where the DNC is at fault is they are the ones who insisted the IDP use this app for reporting results, instead of the original plan of having them all called in.
Huh? The state party was the one that picked the app.
Unlike many states in which local and state officials oversee the presidential primary election, in Iowa the state party is responsible for administering, staffing and funding the caucuses, relying primarily on trained but unpaid volunteers.
Cybersecurity experts interviewed by NPR said that the party's decision to withhold the technical details of its app doesn't do much to protect the system — and instead makes it hard to have complete confidence in it.
The Iowa Democrats' plan is for caucus leaders to compile the results from participants and submit them to the central party via their smartphone apps. In the past, the leaders might have called in the results over the phone.
Last year, under pressure from the Democratic National Committee to increase accessibility at its famously arcane caucuses, the state party proposed a plan to allow Iowans to caucus remotely.
Internet and phone-based voting systems are considered notoriously insecure however, and the national party said there wasn't a system available secure enough to support such an idea.
Iowa isn't worth this much attention. It's a couple delegates. Everyone would be better served by moving past it instead of letting it live on forever.
The only value in Iowa is the narrative. Which has basically been changed to a bunch of clowns banging on calculators.
Dump the results in the trash and just write off those 41 delegates. They have never mattered less.
Sounds like I was marginally incorrect, in that there's reporting that the DNC said to use an app, so the IDP found a company to make one, and then the DNC said to scrap that idea but the IDP went ahead with it anyway. Basically just sounds like a total failure of both the national and state apparatus. I still mostly blame the IDP for having caucuses in the first place, though.
I can’t think of a single action during this entire debacle that would lead me to gaining any trust in the DNC and Perez. I didn’t start with much (hardly any) and they have, at best, lived up to my expectations.
I'm not sure what the DNC have done here that's the problem. The IDP seem to be mostly fucking this up all on their own.
I think where the DNC is at fault is they are the ones who insisted the IDP use this app for reporting results, instead of the original plan of having them all called in.
Huh? The state party was the one that picked the app.
Unlike many states in which local and state officials oversee the presidential primary election, in Iowa the state party is responsible for administering, staffing and funding the caucuses, relying primarily on trained but unpaid volunteers.
Cybersecurity experts interviewed by NPR said that the party's decision to withhold the technical details of its app doesn't do much to protect the system — and instead makes it hard to have complete confidence in it.
The Iowa Democrats' plan is for caucus leaders to compile the results from participants and submit them to the central party via their smartphone apps. In the past, the leaders might have called in the results over the phone.
Last year, under pressure from the Democratic National Committee to increase accessibility at its famously arcane caucuses, the state party proposed a plan to allow Iowans to caucus remotely.
Internet and phone-based voting systems are considered notoriously insecure however, and the national party said there wasn't a system available secure enough to support such an idea.
So that plan was scrapped.
NYT reported that it was advisors from the DNC who pushed the app
"And the party decided to use the app only after another proposal for reporting votes — which entailed having caucus participants call in their votes over the phone — was abandoned, on the advice of Democratic National Committee officials, according to David Jefferson, a board member of Verified Voting, a nonpartisan election integrity organization."
Using a new app without rigorous testing is one level of incompetence. It is my understanding that the folks on the ground did not know what to do when the app shit the bed. Not having a solid backup procedure in place if the app failed is a whole other level of fail.
Black lives matter.
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Using a new app without rigorous testing is one level of incompetence. It is my understanding that the folks on the ground did not know what to do when the app shit the bed. Not having a solid backup procedure in place if the app failed is a whole other level of fail.
They had a solid backup procedure in place. It was under attack by 4chan.
Iowa isn't worth this much attention. It's a couple delegates. Everyone would be better served by moving past it instead of letting it live on forever.
The only value in Iowa is the narrative. Which has basically been changed to a bunch of clowns banging on calculators.
Dump the results in the trash and just write off those 41 delegates. They have never mattered less.
The one major positive out of all of this is that maybe, just maybe this is the end of Iowa going first.
I fear they'll just give them another shot in 2024, but I hope they don't.
The IDP had their chance, they fucked it up, they fucked it up so bad that they have incurred some real risk for the Dem Nominee, no matter who it is, to lose momentum going into the general. Fuck'em. They're done. This shit's too important.
Why the fuck not just fax the damn written documentation into the state party offices instead of this goddamn grifter app nonsense?
Considering that the phone lines were being raided by 4chan, that's a great way to fill the state party office with a lot of... well, let's be generous and assume that penises are the worst thing that they'd send.
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Im actually OK with Warren's name not being tied into any of this mess at all.
Let her go out, do her campaigning, talk to the people, and stay away from the fray of it all.
Bernie and Pete's campaigns, and even Bidens to an extent, are having to devote personpower and resources to this giant clusterfuck, both in contacting the DNC and IDP and the press requests and probably even internal campaign meetings and memos and conflagrations.
Meanwhile, all that energy and time that is being spent, all those people that are doing that, Warren has those same people and energy focused on NH and SC and elsewhere.
So, I'm ok with her not getting any press. Not all attention is good attention.
If Interference in the election process is a federal crime, coordination by a group of people on 4chan makes it a criminal conspiracy so send in the FBI?
Black lives matter.
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Why the fuck not just fax the damn written documentation into the state party offices instead of this goddamn grifter app nonsense?
Considering that the phone lines were being raided by 4chan, that's a great way to fill the state party office with a lot of... well, let's be generous and assume that penises are the worst thing that they'd send.
I’m tellin ya
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Im actually OK with Warren's name not being tied into any of this mess at all.
Let her go out, do her campaigning, talk to the people, and stay away from the fray of it all.
Bernie and Pete's campaigns, and even Bidens to an extent, are having to devote personpower and resources to this giant clusterfuck, both in contacting the DNC and IDP and the press requests and probably even internal campaign meetings and memos and conflagrations.
Meanwhile, all that energy and time that is being spent, all those people that are doing that, Warren has those same people and energy focused on NH and SC and elsewhere.
So, I'm ok with her not getting any press. Not all attention is good attention.
I'm feeling pretty bad about Warren now. It looks like media misogyny succeeded in taking her down by weaponizing her disagreement with Bernie. Now with her polling and funding down she has no hope of recovery because Bernieland thinks she's this wicked liar
Im actually OK with Warren's name not being tied into any of this mess at all.
Let her go out, do her campaigning, talk to the people, and stay away from the fray of it all.
Bernie and Pete's campaigns, and even Bidens to an extent, are having to devote personpower and resources to this giant clusterfuck, both in contacting the DNC and IDP and the press requests and probably even internal campaign meetings and memos and conflagrations.
Meanwhile, all that energy and time that is being spent, all those people that are doing that, Warren has those same people and energy focused on NH and SC and elsewhere.
So, I'm ok with her not getting any press. Not all attention is good attention.
I'm feeling pretty bad about Warren now. It looks like media misogyny succeeded in taking her down by weaponizing her disagreement with Bernie. Now with her polling and funding down she has no hope of recovery because Bernieland thinks she's this wicked liar
Team Warren might be having some troubles in Nevada
A half-dozen women of color have departed Elizabeth Warren’s Nevada campaign in the run-up to the state’s caucuses with complaints of a toxic work environment in which minorities felt tokenized and senior leadership was at loggerheads.
Im actually OK with Warren's name not being tied into any of this mess at all.
Let her go out, do her campaigning, talk to the people, and stay away from the fray of it all.
Bernie and Pete's campaigns, and even Bidens to an extent, are having to devote personpower and resources to this giant clusterfuck, both in contacting the DNC and IDP and the press requests and probably even internal campaign meetings and memos and conflagrations.
Meanwhile, all that energy and time that is being spent, all those people that are doing that, Warren has those same people and energy focused on NH and SC and elsewhere.
So, I'm ok with her not getting any press. Not all attention is good attention.
I'm feeling pretty bad about Warren now. It looks like media misogyny succeeded in taking her down by weaponizing her disagreement with Bernie. Now with her polling and funding down she has no hope of recovery because Bernieland thinks she's this wicked liar
I dont think Warren is out yet, but she was the one who weaponized the argument and it backfired, it was 100% an unforced error.
Yes, with a quick verbal "boom." You take a man's peko, you deny him his dab, all that is left is to rise up and tear down the walls of Jericho with a ".....not!" -TexiKen
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Team Warren might be having some troubles in Nevada
A half-dozen women of color have departed Elizabeth Warren’s Nevada campaign in the run-up to the state’s caucuses with complaints of a toxic work environment in which minorities felt tokenized and senior leadership was at loggerheads.
Im actually OK with Warren's name not being tied into any of this mess at all.
Let her go out, do her campaigning, talk to the people, and stay away from the fray of it all.
Bernie and Pete's campaigns, and even Bidens to an extent, are having to devote personpower and resources to this giant clusterfuck, both in contacting the DNC and IDP and the press requests and probably even internal campaign meetings and memos and conflagrations.
Meanwhile, all that energy and time that is being spent, all those people that are doing that, Warren has those same people and energy focused on NH and SC and elsewhere.
So, I'm ok with her not getting any press. Not all attention is good attention.
I'm feeling pretty bad about Warren now. It looks like media misogyny succeeded in taking her down by weaponizing her disagreement with Bernie. Now with her polling and funding down she has no hope of recovery because Bernieland thinks she's this wicked liar
I dont think Warren is out yet, but she was the one who weaponized the argument and it backfired, it was 100% an unforced error.
I disagree, that's pretty much assuming that CNN's sourcing of the story was a situation where her team fed them the story. Which, y'know, wicked liar etc. She maybe shouldn't have given it the time of day when everyone was looking to get a quote from her on it, but Bernie also probably shouldn't say wack stuff, so here we are.
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I am not trying to downplay anything about that report.
I just want to point out, I hate language sometimes.
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Anand Girihadas is Editor at Time, and here talking about the support for Sanders despite his label of socialist
I've taken to just scrolling through and reading the highlights. Mods can suffer through reading everything. The poor, poor mods.
I think where the DNC is at fault is they are the ones who insisted the IDP use this app for reporting results, instead of the original plan of having them all called in.
More like Election Tribbles!
It’s both.
IDP wants to use phones, DNC says no, use an app.
IDP contracts app to Shadow.
Sometime before deployment DNC says don’t use the app, IDP sticks with app.
Except again the DNC said don't use the ap and the Iowa party said they were going to do it anyway. Like we've heard this both ways and I'm beginning to wonder if today is even thursday.
pleasepaypreacher.net
Peak Democrats tbh
Both phones and the app were compromised, so they were kind of fucked no matter what.
I think there’s a highly plausible scenario where he becomes presumptive nominee before much longer
Edit:
Pete will fade out soon
Bloomberg will be on ballots
Biden might punch a millennial
https://www.npr.org/2020/01/14/795906732/despite-election-security-fears-iowa-caucuses-will-use-new-smartphone-app
The only value in Iowa is the narrative. Which has basically been changed to a bunch of clowns banging on calculators.
Dump the results in the trash and just write off those 41 delegates. They have never mattered less.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-06/trump-fans-flooded-iowa-caucus-hotline-top-democrat-says
Website kept screwing up when I tried to copy the text, so I didn't bother.
It's super early to be saying such things but I think you might be right.
One name that hasn't been uttered this week at all is Elizabeth Warren, which is just really odd throughout this chapter.
NYT reported that it was advisors from the DNC who pushed the app
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/03/us/politics/iowa-caucus-app.html
"And the party decided to use the app only after another proposal for reporting votes — which entailed having caucus participants call in their votes over the phone — was abandoned, on the advice of Democratic National Committee officials, according to David Jefferson, a board member of Verified Voting, a nonpartisan election integrity organization."
Can we make up a conspiracy against her too, or is that just for boys?
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They had a solid backup procedure in place. It was under attack by 4chan.
Why the fuck not just fax the damn written documentation into the state party offices instead of this goddamn grifter app nonsense?
The one major positive out of all of this is that maybe, just maybe this is the end of Iowa going first.
I fear they'll just give them another shot in 2024, but I hope they don't.
The IDP had their chance, they fucked it up, they fucked it up so bad that they have incurred some real risk for the Dem Nominee, no matter who it is, to lose momentum going into the general. Fuck'em. They're done. This shit's too important.
Considering that the phone lines were being raided by 4chan, that's a great way to fill the state party office with a lot of... well, let's be generous and assume that penises are the worst thing that they'd send.
Let her go out, do her campaigning, talk to the people, and stay away from the fray of it all.
Bernie and Pete's campaigns, and even Bidens to an extent, are having to devote personpower and resources to this giant clusterfuck, both in contacting the DNC and IDP and the press requests and probably even internal campaign meetings and memos and conflagrations.
Meanwhile, all that energy and time that is being spent, all those people that are doing that, Warren has those same people and energy focused on NH and SC and elsewhere.
So, I'm ok with her not getting any press. Not all attention is good attention.
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Like if you're scanning the sheets just email them.
pleasepaypreacher.net
You can. I'm not your dad.
But to be clear I wasn't inferring a conspiracy there.
I’m tellin ya
I'm feeling pretty bad about Warren now. It looks like media misogyny succeeded in taking her down by weaponizing her disagreement with Bernie. Now with her polling and funding down she has no hope of recovery because Bernieland thinks she's this wicked liar
*looks up from working on his fax server*
Lots of people.
*sobbing*
Lots of fucking people.
Yeah, lots of people, including basically every lawyer and doctor ever.
we've had 1 caucus.
I'm not hanging up sackcloth yet.
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https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/02/06/elizabeth-warren-campaign-nevada-111595?__twitter_impression=true
I dont think Warren is out yet, but she was the one who weaponized the argument and it backfired, it was 100% an unforced error.
Well... shit. Come on Warren, get down there and crack the skulls of that senior leadership.
And its founder got a cushy sinecure at Google.
I disagree, that's pretty much assuming that CNN's sourcing of the story was a situation where her team fed them the story. Which, y'know, wicked liar etc. She maybe shouldn't have given it the time of day when everyone was looking to get a quote from her on it, but Bernie also probably shouldn't say wack stuff, so here we are.
I just want to point out, I hate language sometimes.
Which sounds worse:
A. Six
B. Half-Dozen
A. departed
B. bolt