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Bucks Win Championship Without Head Coach [NBA]

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    burboburbo Registered User regular
    Yeah, it sure was.

    I wonder if Lebron promised the big fella a Finals MVP. It seems like they are force feeding him pretty persistently.

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    NiryaNirya Registered User regular
    burbo wrote: »
    Yeah, it sure was.

    I wonder if Lebron promised the big fella a Finals MVP. It seems like they are force feeding him pretty persistently.

    I think it’s more LeBron is so focused on winning at this point that he recognizes that the Heat don’t have an actual answer for AD, so he’s more than willing to take a backseat to him.

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Lebron wants to win. He doesn’t care about his personal stats.

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    NiryaNirya Registered User regular
    I don’t know if the Lakers 3 point shooting is that sustainable, but these have all been open looks so far, and if the Heat are forced to play out to the line further it will just open them up to get attacked on the inside.

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    EinzelEinzel Registered User regular
    In my 4-2 prediction, most Lakers wins are blowouts. Heat wins have teeth skin all over them.

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Heat just have no answer for AD.

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    Heat just have no answer for AD.

    Who does though

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    NiryaNirya Registered User regular
    Heat just have no answer for AD.

    Who does though

    The Bucks are honestly the only team realistically. They can stick Giannis on AD and have the extra size to stay with the Lakers. Lakers also has a ton of issues with the Grizzlies for similar reasons, so that would have been an interesting series.

    But really, this is more the Lakers zagging while the rest of the league zigged. Everyone became enamored with small ball lineups that the Lakers essentially said “what if we were just bigger than everyone else?” I would be fascinated to see this Lakers team against a fully-healthy Golden State, just to see if the Warriors could win that by just out-shooting LA.

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    burboburbo Registered User regular
    Was size really intentional you think? Or is it just that you have Lebron and AD, and AD doesn't want to play center most of the time, so you're just gonna be big whether you like it or not?

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    NiryaNirya Registered User regular
    burbo wrote: »
    Was size really intentional you think? Or is it just that you have Lebron and AD, and AD doesn't want to play center most of the time, so you're just gonna be big whether you like it or not?

    Size was a big thing with Pelinka since he became GM, and I think there’s a level of intentionality to it, especially considering how AD doesn’t like to play the 5.

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    NiryaNirya Registered User regular
    Bam injuring himself by throwing his shoulder into Howard on a drive is a metaphor for this game.

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    burboburbo Registered User regular
    Nirya wrote: »
    burbo wrote: »
    Was size really intentional you think? Or is it just that you have Lebron and AD, and AD doesn't want to play center most of the time, so you're just gonna be big whether you like it or not?

    Size was a big thing with Pelinka since he became GM, and I think there’s a level of intentionality to it, especially considering how AD doesn’t like to play the 5.

    Well, intentional or not, its sure as hell working.

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    burboburbo Registered User regular
    Dirtyboy wrote: »

    "Washed old man " - me, 2 rounds ago

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    NiryaNirya Registered User regular
    Lakers about to let the Heat back into the game just because they can.

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2020
    That was too easy.

    I’m changing my pick

    Lakers in 4

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    NiryaNirya Registered User regular
    I actually half-expect the Lakers to lose the next game, just because they get way too complacent everything that happened in this one (Dragic done, Bam hurt, Butler prob not 100%). But I don't think the series will be competitive at this point.

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    XehalusXehalus Registered User regular
    Miami didn't even survive game 1

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    EinzelEinzel Registered User regular
    Freakin LA MonStars.

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    EinzelEinzel Registered User regular
    And my Spo is a bad coach senses were tingling when Derrick Jones Jr was the first off the bench instead of Olynik.

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    Olynik getting more minutes is not going to solve the AD problem.

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    DixonDixon Screwed...possibly doomed CanadaRegistered User regular
    So it's going to be a finals sweep then?

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    Nirya wrote: »
    burbo wrote: »
    Was size really intentional you think? Or is it just that you have Lebron and AD, and AD doesn't want to play center most of the time, so you're just gonna be big whether you like it or not?

    Size was a big thing with Pelinka since he became GM, and I think there’s a level of intentionality to it, especially considering how AD doesn’t like to play the 5.

    The key was making Lebron the actual point guard instead of having a short dude out there just because, even though Lebron did that dude’s job

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    burboburbo Registered User regular
    It's always easy to project a sweep from a game 1 blowout, but i feel like game 1s are often least representative of the series (see Laker g1 losses to Blazers and Rockets, blowout of Nugs who ended up playing them reasonably close). Obviously Heat health problems are concerning, but I'm not willing to get out any brooms yet.

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    If Bam and Dragic are out, this series is super over.

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    edited October 2020
    Butters wrote: »
    If Bam and Dragic are out, this series is super over.

    AD and/or Lebron could get hurt

    Unfortunately, injuries to star players have been likely-deciding factors in 40% of the last 5 finals

    Shit throw in Dray’s suspension in 2016 too

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    burboburbo Registered User regular
    People complaining about Dray's suspension has always bugged me (not that you were necessarily complaining). He wasn't suspended for punching Lebron in the balls. He was suspended because he had been punching or kicking people in the balls all playoffs, and he hit a limit of techs/flagrants. Like, it's not arguable that punching Lebron in the nuts should have earned him a tech. It was only a suspension because he had been doing it all playoffs.

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    Also, in the process of GS losing games 5-7 Dray was present for 2 of them. He played in 6 games and they lost half of them.

    Bogut was legit knocked out of the series and I've argued for years that was an underrated event. It shifted the rebounding advantage decidedly in Cleveland's favor.

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    burboburbo Registered User regular
    If AD wins Finals MVP, do you think that will hurt Lebron's legacy?

    In my mind, it doesn't hurt, of course, because that will mean Lebron gets another title while playing at an MVP level. I think for the MJ partisans, it will though. I think that for those people, Jordan's career has defined what greatness is for so long that any other player's greatness is that measured by how "MJ-like" it is. MJ always got Finals MVP, so any subsequent player must as well. It's not enough to dominate your opponent, you also have to dominate your teammates.

    Its similar to how people look at Lebron's 3-6 in the Finals as a negative, because Jordan was 6-6, so they think 3-3 is somehow better than 3-6. As though it is better to lose in the first or second round than to lose in the finals (or to not even play basketball during your prime. You can't lose in the finals if you are off playing baseball!). I think for those MJ types, the only way to beat Jordan is to go 7-7, or 8-8, with all Finals MVPs or whatever in the finals. Anything else doesn't fit their definition of what greatness should look like.

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Lebron’s legacy is fine.

    The Jordan fans aren’t going to ever admit Lebron is better no matter what he does.

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    MaximumMaximum Registered User regular
    I don't understand the rush. I don't think that he was going anywhere...

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    MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    Maximum wrote: »
    I don't understand the rush. I don't think that he was going anywhere...

    Other teams were interested I believe. The rush was probably on the part of the 76ers

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    burboburbo Registered User regular
    I don't really like Doc, but there are so few black coaches and black authority figures in the NBA, I'm glad to see him get another spot.

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    XehalusXehalus Registered User regular
    is Embiid saying Coach Doc is washed

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    edited October 2020
    burbo wrote: »
    If AD wins Finals MVP, do you think that will hurt Lebron's legacy?

    In my mind, it doesn't hurt, of course, because that will mean Lebron gets another title while playing at an MVP level. I think for the MJ partisans, it will though. I think that for those people, Jordan's career has defined what greatness is for so long that any other player's greatness is that measured by how "MJ-like" it is. MJ always got Finals MVP, so any subsequent player must as well. It's not enough to dominate your opponent, you also have to dominate your teammates.

    Its similar to how people look at Lebron's 3-6 in the Finals as a negative, because Jordan was 6-6, so they think 3-3 is somehow better than 3-6. As though it is better to lose in the first or second round than to lose in the finals (or to not even play basketball during your prime. You can't lose in the finals if you are off playing baseball!). I think for those MJ types, the only way to beat Jordan is to go 7-7, or 8-8, with all Finals MVPs or whatever in the finals. Anything else doesn't fit their definition of what greatness should look like.

    Lebron will have been 2-2 with the Heat, likely 1-0 with the Lakers, and 1-4 with the Cavs. He only had Kyrie for 2 of those Cavs finals.

    Lebron will have dragged those sorry Cavs rosters to 5 finals (2 different Cavs teams, too) and gone up against the Warriors dynasty 4 times. He’s been the best player in 7 or 8 of the previous finals and we’ll see what happens this year.

    He’s actually probably the most iconic post season player in NBA history.

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