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Limited Special Edition [Primary] Thread
ElJeffe
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Here is a thread to discuss Super Tuesday and other such fun primary matters. The thread will remain open for a couple days or until it becomes full of awful, whichever comes first.
Usual rules apply. If you have been banned from a primary thread before, congratulations, you're still banned.
Usual rules apply. If you have been banned from a primary thread before, congratulations, you're still banned.
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Pete and Amy dropping out to support Biden makes me pretty worried about Bernie's chances. I'd be happy with Warren or Bernie but if it's both of them vs Biden, it feels like they'll split each other's votes and Biden will take it. And that will be a huuuuuge bummer.
- Warren
- Sanders
- Biden
There’s no one else running I’d get out of bed to vote for
All I can come up with is “boomer that doesn’t want to vote for Trump,”
I know Bernie is loath to go negative, but he needs to go after Biden hard from tomorrow. Starting with the social security stuff.
Chris Matthews, Hardball canceled effective immediately
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/02/media/chris-matthews-retires-msnbc/index.html
No official comments yet, but apparently it was a combination of factors, including persistent sexual harassment claims, and general public and managerial disapproval of the quality of his job.
He sucked out loud. Glad he’s gone.
Ugh.
In the current political landscape it's just short-hand for those democrats that are classically liberal, capitalism will save us, pro-corporate types. Erring on the side of only a minimum of regulation (still better than no regulation).
Similarly I view them as the sorts that think that Wall Street guys are the ones that ought to be staffing the Fed or serve as Secretary of the Treasury, and that Citizens United is a fine ruling and money = free speech is pretty much how it ought to be.
I'm not really for it because my biggest issue is the widening wealth inequality in the U.S., I'm not voting that way in the primary because I am dubious that they'll do anything substantial to help that situation. Though, I will show up and vote for them in November if I have to.
If she loses MA, which seems fairly likely, she really has to endorse Sanders. We can't have the party establishment and every moderate candidate rallying behind Biden while progressive votes get split.
I mean if she loses MA but gets a ton of delegates out of California and Texas (for example) then that one state really isn't a reason to drop out. If she can get enough delegates and Biden does poorly enough she should stay in for a time and hope to be the next Anyone But Bernie candidate.
If she rolls up to a contested convention with 10%-15% of the vote its not going to go to her. I mean yeah maybe there's some huge upset but Super Tuesday is tomorrow and the polling just isn't there to support it. She just doesn't have a realistic path to the nomination, especially considering the risk incurred in seeking it.
Beyond our control, we can’t worry about what her campaign is doing and it’s pointless to try. It’s leftist organizations that aren’t behind Sanders right now that should be asked questions about it.
This is it, the best chance the left ever had to lead the Democratic Party, and the establishment is coming together to stop it. If you’re leading a leftist organization and you’re not behind this big, vibrant, multi-ethnic, working-class movement then what are you doing? Praying for a contested convention? Get it together.
Unfortunate if true, she and Bernie were the only ones advocating for M4A of a sort, student loan forgiveness and a progressive tax structure that targeted the ultra wealthy for a few more cents on their several tens of millions of dollars.
I'm gonna need a cite on this
Oh yeah she absolutely needs to end up with the most delegates in the end. But to say that there is no path tonight is a bit silly. I mean Bernie is less than 100 delegates ahead. The most likely path in my opinion is what I mentioned above. Biden and Bloomberg and the others split the centrist Super Tuesday vote leaving her looking like the only viable alternative to Bernie causing the centrists to finally consolidate to her.
No one knows who she’ll endorse.
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What states does she have a real shot in? Polling at ~15% in CA isn't going to cut it. How is she supposed to win the nomination without improving her numbers with minorities? She's run her race, it just didn't get there. She flat out isn't going to win the nomination outright and the odds she comes out ahead in a contested primary is extremely slim, to say the least.
I mean the party establishment is made it very clear who they're rallying around and who its doing so to defeat. How does that change to her camp?
It’s not something I’m gonna harp on, people should still vote for her if they want, but there’s some deep denialism surrounding her campaign.
I'm sad for her right now, because Warren v Sanders would have been my ideal primary, but gotta deal with the facts on the ground.
Ultimately it doesn't matter because I'm in NC which will prob go Biden.
538 is currently projecting a Bloomberg-Biden coalition as being able to clinch a majority; so vote your genuine preference now while you can.
I forgot to change parties, so I can't vote for mine, but I do get to vote for my garbage congressman's primary opponent; so not a total loss.
I'm planning on voting for Warren if I can, but my primary is late enough that I'm not sure if that'll still be an option.
You couldn't make it an entire half a page into the thread before starting this needless, vitriol-inspiring presumptiveness?
Seriously, citation needed. Unless and until she endorses, you're just stirring up shit for no good reason. If Warren endorses anyone other than Sanders I personally will donate to her primary challenger next she's up for reelection. Until then comments like this serve one, maybe two, purposes - trying to get the thread closed, and desperately trying to shit on Warren without any evidence.
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It is still missing its legs, so Bernie is still the crowd favourite.
Supposed to be? Like, in an idealized world?
A Warren supporter.
But, like, that's looking at the politics of one party of one (surprisingly isolationist, given its imperialist and interventionist views) country through the lense of the global political spectrum.
A more useful definition exists within that spectrum. For me, It goes like this:
Conservative Democrat (not that those are really a thing these days, but basically blue dogs)
-> Centrist Democrat (generally about the middle of the US spectrum, though tends to lean left)
-> Liberal Democrats (Obama-ish types. They're more liberal than not on more issues than not, but they're still "center leaning" on a lot of issues)
--> Progressive Democrats (Folks for whom Warren-style policies are acceptable, if a little more the left or right of their preference)
--> Social Democrats (Basically Sanders types, and yes, I know I'm using the wrong term, but "(Adjective) Democrats" is the format I'm using so deal with it).
e: A simpler model would be to look at the Conservative through Liberal and call them the "center" of the party, while the other two groups would be considered the "wing" of the party.
Note well that even within this ... ray of political leanings, it's a bunch of overlapping gray areas, and there's still at least two groups that exist to the left of this system, but I feel like those groups' ideologies are so far outside of the realm of US political discourse that it's kind of pointless to account for them within the Democratic party (nobody running for a Democratic nomination would be taken seriously with an "abolish borders" platform, for instance).
After Tuesday it should be 2-3 person race. IMHO.
As much as I bash Bernie Bros I did vote Bernie already so deal with it Bernie Fans.
“Unwoke centrist midwesterners” doesn’t seem like a bloc anyone should base their campaign around.
Since then she's seemed to be a decidedly different person.
You'll feel the same if these recent dropouts give Biden nothing close to a majority, but enough to put him 1% or so over Sanders?