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A [Chat] in which multiple Lusitania theories are mused upon

RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
On Friday 7th of May 1915, at 2:10pm...

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RMS Lusitania was struck by a torpedo launched from German Submarine U20. Seconds later, a second more powerful explosion rocked the ship, sealing her fate to sink within 18 minutes and with the loss of nearly 1200 people. While the inquiry at the time concluded U20 fired a second torpedo because propaganda, that's been discounted.

The cause of the second explosion is still officially unknown and dangit it's annoying me. There are three main theories.

- The classic: Lusitania was illegally carrying high explosive munitions for the war effort. German sources at the time liked this one, as it ex-post-facto justified her as a valid war target. There are some dodgy stuff around the manifest declaring her legal carrying of bullets and shrapnel after she left New York and the inquiry having a big secret section that hasn't been uncovered to this day. But the reckoning is the munitions she might have been carrying would have done far more damage, and the ship looked relatively fine above the waterline until she was all under the waterline and slammed into the sea.
- Cold water + Hot boilers = Steam explosion. This feels plausible, especially with the quick loss of steam pressure and electricity (trapping people in her elevators, good luck sleeping tonight) but some discount it because people around the boilers survived.
- Coal dust. Championed by Robert "I found the Titanic" Ballard, empty coal bunkers near the end of a voyage, dust kicked into the air by the torpedo, find a spark, kaboom. But the second explosion took a few seconds and wouldn't the water have smothered the dust?

I keep reading different sources where it was "oh she definitely carried the boom booms" or "no she didn't that's dumb" and British secretiveness makes that possible but then other sources will be about the boilers and nobody agrees on the truth and it's frustrating. Vote me for Prime Minister and I promise to completely declassify everything about Lusitania just for my own peace of mind.

So what do you think? Who's right and who's wrong?

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    Doodmann wrote: »
    I stand with Johnny

    https://youtu.be/DJoTphCYNLE

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  • JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Candy IslandRegistered User regular
    edited March 2020
    The second explosion was because of a torpedo shot from the Grassy Knoll.

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    bowen wrote: »
    electrons are "thou who smelt it, dealt it" of atoms, change my mind

    They are the most tsundere of particles.

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    Oh my god it’s so awkward to remind your employer you’ve been there for a year and need a CoL raise

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    Oh my god it’s so awkward to remind your employer you’ve been there for a year and need a CoL raise

    *moves to Costa Rica to start a new life instead*

    I don't think I've had an employer since the air force that did CoL raises

    every place I worked instead does a yearly review and bases raises there on """merit"""

    so if you do a bad job you just keep doing the same work for less money cause inflation, I guess

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    Everyone knows coal dust can't explode steel beams.

    and I wonder about my neighbors even though I don't have them
    but they're listening to every word I say
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    You know who sunk the Lusitania? Papists.

    and I wonder about my neighbors even though I don't have them
    but they're listening to every word I say
  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    JebusUD wrote: »
    You know who sunk the Lusitania? Papists.

    Wrong Four Funnelled Ocean Liner

  • JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Candy IslandRegistered User regular
    JebusUD wrote: »
    You know who sunk the Lusitania? Papists.

    Wrong Four Funnelled Ocean Liner

    Part of the unlearning 4 funnelled teaching lie. The truth is 4 funnels in 4 different ocean liners. Because no man has no bellybutton.

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    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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    bowen wrote: »

    Disagree

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    geth, sink bowen's lusitania

  • DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    The Lusitania definitely had boom boom

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    Oh my god it’s so awkward to remind your employer you’ve been there for a year and need a CoL raise

    *moves to Costa Rica to start a new life instead*

    I don't think I've had an employer since the air force that did CoL raises

    every place I worked instead does a yearly review and bases raises there on """merit"""

    so if you do a bad job you just keep doing the same work for less money cause inflation, I guess

    Or, they give you the equiv of a CoL raise and act super magnanimous.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Brody wrote: »
    Oh my god it’s so awkward to remind your employer you’ve been there for a year and need a CoL raise

    *moves to Costa Rica to start a new life instead*

    I don't think I've had an employer since the air force that did CoL raises

    every place I worked instead does a yearly review and bases raises there on """merit"""

    so if you do a bad job you just keep doing the same work for less money cause inflation, I guess

    Or, they give you the equiv of a CoL raise and act super magnanimous.

    But Brody, I gave you this $0.75/hr raise why don't you work hard?

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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    I uh

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  • zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Brody wrote: »
    Oh my god it’s so awkward to remind your employer you’ve been there for a year and need a CoL raise

    *moves to Costa Rica to start a new life instead*

    I don't think I've had an employer since the air force that did CoL raises

    every place I worked instead does a yearly review and bases raises there on """merit"""

    so if you do a bad job you just keep doing the same work for less money cause inflation, I guess

    Or, they give you the equiv of a CoL raise and act super magnanimous.

    But Brody, I gave you this $0.75/hr raise why don't you work hard?
    When I worked doing elevators, the Executive PM gave someone $80,001 a year salary so they were making 1$ more than a couple of the other people, and he was like you are the second highest paid person here I expect more out of you.

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    I cannot get over that kitty's oven mitts

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    credeiki wrote: »
    I cannot get over that kitty's oven mitts

    I cannot get over how he has a strong preference towards putting his fuzzy little butt on keyboards! cat pls

    him and me both

  • SixSix Caches Tweets in the mainframe cyberhex Registered User regular
    I uh

    am still not great at my job so I'm not expecting a huge raise or anything

    You could burn this place to the ground

    can you feel the struggle within?
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    SniperGuy wrote: »
    My current base in rimworld has caves full of megaspiders, so if you take the wrong route to the base, you end up getting mauled.

    bsmt8i9fgja0.png

    It has been surprisingly good protection thus far.

    Those will periodically go aggro on your base and the spawners just keep pooping them out.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    zepherin wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Brody wrote: »
    Oh my god it’s so awkward to remind your employer you’ve been there for a year and need a CoL raise

    *moves to Costa Rica to start a new life instead*

    I don't think I've had an employer since the air force that did CoL raises

    every place I worked instead does a yearly review and bases raises there on """merit"""

    so if you do a bad job you just keep doing the same work for less money cause inflation, I guess

    Or, they give you the equiv of a CoL raise and act super magnanimous.

    But Brody, I gave you this $0.75/hr raise why don't you work hard?
    When I worked doing elevators, the Executive PM gave someone $80,001 a year salary so they were making 1$ more than a couple of the other people, and he was like you are the second highest paid person here I expect more out of you.

    I hope that guy gave him $1 worth of extra effort.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    zepherin wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Brody wrote: »
    Oh my god it’s so awkward to remind your employer you’ve been there for a year and need a CoL raise

    *moves to Costa Rica to start a new life instead*

    I don't think I've had an employer since the air force that did CoL raises

    every place I worked instead does a yearly review and bases raises there on """merit"""

    so if you do a bad job you just keep doing the same work for less money cause inflation, I guess

    Or, they give you the equiv of a CoL raise and act super magnanimous.

    But Brody, I gave you this $0.75/hr raise why don't you work hard?
    When I worked doing elevators, the Executive PM gave someone $80,001 a year salary so they were making 1$ more than a couple of the other people, and he was like you are the second highest paid person here I expect more out of you.

    I hope that guy gave him $1 worth of extra effort.
    He went from 70k a year to $80,001, so it wasn't like he just gave him a 1$ a year raise.

    But I thought the idea hilariously late stage capitalism.

  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy The Astral PlaneRegistered User regular
    Six wrote: »
    I uh

    am still not great at my job so I'm not expecting a huge raise or anything

    You could burn this place to the ground

    I don’t want to! I’m learning valuable skills and I get to work from home on Fridays

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