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    TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    edited June 2020
    The DfID spending money like it was some left learning charity is what he means, just given out to people who need it rather than being conditional on trade deals etc.

    That Global Britain should always be asking "but what's in it for us" rather than trying to eradicate diseases and educate populations out of poverty for the sake of 'international goodwill' and some kind of sense that 'this would make the world a more stable place with more opertunities'.
    You know, that kind of typical Scandivian piffle.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Casual wrote: »
    Bogart wrote: »
    Bogart wrote: »
    She's an occasional writer for Spiked, which is like being an occasional apologist for chemical warfare. They actually ran a "Lots of people liked Mein Kampf back in the day" defence of Baden-Powell this week.

    She was a full on member of the Revolutionary Communist Party.

    Of course she fucking was.
    She contributed to its magazine, Living Marxism, which was dissolved after losing a libel case to ITN over the Bosnian genocide. Many of Mirza's Revolutionary Communist Party colleagues became influential in Conservative Party Eurosceptic circles after the dissolution of their party, while remaining closely associated with each other's endeavours.

    Amazing. No doubt she and Brendan O'Neill text each other updates of how to own the libs by writing hateclickbait.

    This melts my fucking brain. I mean... what..?

    No fervor like that of the converted.

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    honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    Tastyfish wrote: »


    Sebation Payne is a journalist for the FT.

    So yes, I definitely expect the 0.7% commitment to continue to be met.

    What's this "independent Scandinavian NGO" thing referencing?

    I guess Scandinavians are a bit of a go to for leftist do-gooders. Even though the politics there have been skewing quite a bit to the right in parts over the last few years, especially Denmark.

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    Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    How do you go from being a revolutionary communist to being a Tory?

    Tories pay better.

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    TavTav Irish Minister for DefenceRegistered User regular
    edited June 2020
    jaziek wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    CroakerBC wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    CroakerBC wrote: »
    HerrCron wrote: »
    On the Hiberno side of things, Ireland might be getting a new government, many months after the results of the last election left everyone locked in some kind of mexican standoff.
    A situation that you'd expect would favour Sinn Féin, but it's not to be.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0615/1147519-government-formation/

    A three way coalition, with Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael and... *checks notes* the greens all getting into bed together, and the role of Taoiseach being rotated, first up is Micheál Martin of Fianna Fáil until 2022 at which point Leo Varadkar will be back in the big seat.

    So, Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael will continue their slow coalesence into being the same middle-ish of the road party we always knew they were, and the Greens strategy this time seems to be that FF and FG will get the brunt of peoples ire and maybe they won't get it in the neck this time?

    As an aside, given that FF and FG carry ~60% of voters between them, doesn’t a coalition between them basically make the Republic a single party state? Why even have elections if the two parties with the largest entrenched vote share are going to blob up?

    This is the first time in 100 years that they've formed a coalition. They absolutely refused to work together until SF embarrassed them in this year's election and then all of a sudden they were able to put aside their differences.

    Yeah, I guess I’m thinking about the next couple of election cycles. “Vote for us or get them!” messages less well once it’s “Vote for us and get them, too.”. It’s an interesting situation!

    Oh yeah. As someone in their late 20s, I'm definitely looking into emigrating somewhere now.

    Can I ask why?

    honestly, as someone who has recently come to Ireland, I'm not about to say that these two parties are good by any stretch, but certainly they are nowhere near as cartoonishly evil as the Tories. They aren't actively trying to legislate me out of existence, for a start.

    So I guess actually my question would be, where to? I can't see anywhere in the Anglosphere that is actually moving in a good direction right now.

    The housing crisis, mostly.

    1 in 2 Irish people between the ages of 25 and 30 still live at home with their parents because we've been priced out of living in cities by a combination of zero rent control (because a load of politicians are landlords), poor airbnb regulation (again, politicians are landlords) and a lack of new building. There isn't a single house for sale under 100k in Dublin, the average salary is €37k (although 2/3 of people earn less than this!) and mortgage lenders will only loan you 2.5 times your salary and things aren't going to get better with the COVID recession coming up. A continuation of the policies that lead us to this is inevitable under FFFG and honestly, it feels like I (and the majority of my friends) will never actually be able to afford to rent here let alone purchase anything.

    I'll probably be looking at somewhere in Canada since apparently there's a good Irish visa program and there seems to be a fair bit housing in and around cities.

    edit: for context, here is a typical house viewing in County Cork



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    ShimshaiShimshai Flush with Success! Isle of EmeraldRegistered User regular
    That video reminds me of househunting in Dublin this time last year, just dozens of people queueing up for awful awful apartments.

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    How do you go from being a revolutionary communist to being a Tory?

    That's similar to the path of a lot of neoconservatives in the US. Disillusionment about the cause, but not your own obvious superiority.

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    HerrCronHerrCron It that wickedly supports taxation Registered User regular
    Tav wrote: »
    jaziek wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    CroakerBC wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    CroakerBC wrote: »
    HerrCron wrote: »
    On the Hiberno side of things, Ireland might be getting a new government, many months after the results of the last election left everyone locked in some kind of mexican standoff.
    A situation that you'd expect would favour Sinn Féin, but it's not to be.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0615/1147519-government-formation/

    A three way coalition, with Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael and... *checks notes* the greens all getting into bed together, and the role of Taoiseach being rotated, first up is Micheál Martin of Fianna Fáil until 2022 at which point Leo Varadkar will be back in the big seat.

    So, Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael will continue their slow coalesence into being the same middle-ish of the road party we always knew they were, and the Greens strategy this time seems to be that FF and FG will get the brunt of peoples ire and maybe they won't get it in the neck this time?

    As an aside, given that FF and FG carry ~60% of voters between them, doesn’t a coalition between them basically make the Republic a single party state? Why even have elections if the two parties with the largest entrenched vote share are going to blob up?

    This is the first time in 100 years that they've formed a coalition. They absolutely refused to work together until SF embarrassed them in this year's election and then all of a sudden they were able to put aside their differences.

    Yeah, I guess I’m thinking about the next couple of election cycles. “Vote for us or get them!” messages less well once it’s “Vote for us and get them, too.”. It’s an interesting situation!

    Oh yeah. As someone in their late 20s, I'm definitely looking into emigrating somewhere now.

    Can I ask why?

    honestly, as someone who has recently come to Ireland, I'm not about to say that these two parties are good by any stretch, but certainly they are nowhere near as cartoonishly evil as the Tories. They aren't actively trying to legislate me out of existence, for a start.

    So I guess actually my question would be, where to? I can't see anywhere in the Anglosphere that is actually moving in a good direction right now.

    The housing crisis, mostly.

    1 in 2 Irish people between the ages of 25 and 30 still live at home with their parents because we've been priced out of living in cities by a combination of zero rent control (because a load of politicians are landlords), poor airbnb regulation (again, politicians are landlords) and a lack of new building. There isn't a single house for sale under 100k in Dublin, the average salary is €37k (although 2/3 of people earn less than this!) and mortgage lenders will only loan you 2.5 times your salary and things aren't going to get better with the COVID recession coming up. A continuation of the policies that lead us to this is inevitable under FFFG and honestly, it feels like I (and the majority of my friends) will never actually be able to afford to rent here let alone purchase anything.

    I'll probably be looking at somewhere in Canada since apparently there's a good Irish visa program and there seems to be a fair bit housing in and around cities.

    Aye, it's not perfect or anything here in the great frozen north, and certainly Toronto and Vancouver have a reputation for having similar kinds of problems when it comes to renting, but it's nowhere as bad as Dublin.

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    jaziekjaziek Bad at everything And mad about it.Registered User regular
    edited June 2020
    I'm paying over €1200 a month for a room in a houseshare in dublin at the moment. That's london prices, and people certainly don't get london wages here. Yeah, the situation with regards to housing availability, and also the concentration of absolutely everything around a single city, just seems like london but worse. I apologise for contributing to that somewhat, I guess.

    I agree that canada does seem kinda nice. I have no idea what kinda visa I could get though.

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    Anyone heard how @Desktop Hippie is doing? Odd to have such big Irish news without their familiarly informative and often hilarious commentary.

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    CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    moniker wrote: »
    How do you go from being a revolutionary communist to being a Tory?

    That's similar to the path of a lot of neoconservatives in the US. Disillusionment about the cause, but not your own obvious superiority.

    Feels like some people just want to belong to a group of massive cunts.

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    TavTav Irish Minister for DefenceRegistered User regular
    jaziek wrote: »
    I'm paying over €1200 a month for a room in a houseshare in dublin at the moment. That's london prices, and people certainly don't get london wages here. Yeah, the situation with regards to housing availability, and also the concentration of absolutely everything around a single city, just seems like london but worse. I apologise for contributing to that somewhat, I guess.

    I agree that canada does seem kinda nice. I have no idea what kinda visa I could get though.

    you shouldn't be apologising at all! This is absolutely a governmental failing, i have zero problems with anyone coming over here. We've got like ten thousand houses on airbnb, this isn't a population thing

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    Alistair HuttonAlistair Hutton Dr EdinburghRegistered User regular
    How do you go from being a revolutionary communist to being a Tory?

    Oh boy do you have some exciting reading ahead of you.

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    Alistair HuttonAlistair Hutton Dr EdinburghRegistered User regular
    Elldren wrote: »
    How do you go from being a revolutionary communist to being a Tory?

    I’m guessing they were a revolutionary communist party in much the same way the NSDAP were a socialist worker’s party

    Their history is waaaaaaay more interesting than that.

    I have a thoughtful and infrequently updated blog about games http://whatithinkaboutwhenithinkaboutgames.wordpress.com/

    I made a game, it has penguins in it. It's pay what you like on Gumroad.

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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    "If I'm gonna sell out, I wanna get my money's worth."

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    [Expletive deleted][Expletive deleted] The mediocre doctor NorwayRegistered User regular
    Ok, now I want a link or an explanation.

    Sic transit gloria mundi.
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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    Elldren wrote: »
    How do you go from being a revolutionary communist to being a Tory?

    I’m guessing they were a revolutionary communist party in much the same way the NSDAP were a socialist worker’s party

    Their history is waaaaaaay more interesting than that.

    Ok you have my attention!

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    Good news, gang, @Desktop Hippie is okay and will rejoin us soon. :)

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    ShadowenShadowen Snores in the morning LoserdomRegistered User regular
    The Wikipedia article on the Revolutionary Communists, if accurate, is pretty wild. (tl;dr--various bigotries led to abandoning communism in favor of right-leaning libertarianism between 1990 and 1997)

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    Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    When you're young, if you are not a Revolutionary Communist then you have no heart.

    When you are old, if you are not a right-leaning libertarian then you have no brain.

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    ThirithThirith Registered User regular
    edited June 2020
    When you're young, if you are not a Revolutionary Communist then you have no heart.

    When you are old, if you are not a right-leaning libertarian then you have no brain.
    Whoever came up with that bullshit in its original form deserves a good spanking. At least.

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    https://www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/1296738/passport-uk-renewal-passports-brexit-blue-twitter-outrage'
    Passport: Britons furious with new blue Brexit passport blast it a ‘disappointment’
    “Even the cover text isn’t central, paper lower quality, design ultra-bland, paper cheaper.”
    This continues to be the most hilarious Brexit thing

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    Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    https://www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/1296738/passport-uk-renewal-passports-brexit-blue-twitter-outrage'
    Passport: Britons furious with new blue Brexit passport blast it a ‘disappointment’
    “Even the cover text isn’t central, paper lower quality, design ultra-bland, paper cheaper.”
    This continues to be the most hilarious Brexit thing

    Paper is important, man.

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    https://www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/1296738/passport-uk-renewal-passports-brexit-blue-twitter-outrage'
    Passport: Britons furious with new blue Brexit passport blast it a ‘disappointment’
    “Even the cover text isn’t central, paper lower quality, design ultra-bland, paper cheaper.”
    This continues to be the most hilarious Brexit thing

    Paper is important, man.

    So is shit quality paper, apparently.

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    Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Jazz wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    https://www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/1296738/passport-uk-renewal-passports-brexit-blue-twitter-outrage'
    Passport: Britons furious with new blue Brexit passport blast it a ‘disappointment’
    “Even the cover text isn’t central, paper lower quality, design ultra-bland, paper cheaper.”
    This continues to be the most hilarious Brexit thing

    Paper is important, man.

    So is shit quality paper, apparently.

    Good enough to wipe your ass with, probably.

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    BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    Defence editor for the DM (*spit*). Johnson has had a triffic new idea!



    Piss over our reputation overseas by putting the DfID inside the FCO, but hey here's a brightly coloured toy.

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    Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Patriotism and scoundrels.

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    Defence editor for the DM (*spit*). Johnson has had a triffic new idea!



    Piss over our reputation overseas by putting the DfID inside the FCO, but hey here's a brightly coloured toy.

    Will they design an alternate version without St Andrew's Cross to be prepared?

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    Bad-BeatBad-Beat Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    Defence editor for the DM (*spit*). Johnson has had a triffic new idea!



    Piss over our reputation overseas by putting the DfID inside the FCO, but hey here's a brightly coloured toy.

    The most frustrating element to this is how many people are supportive of it. Like, of course the PM should spend this money on it. But school meals? *furious rage*

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    klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    Has there been any diplomatic deal or events where they've been "Well I nearly gave them the big concession they wanted, but their plane just wasn't colourful enough"?
    I hope that someone somewhere has converted that cost into how many school meals it'd pay for, and passed that information on to a footballer.

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    TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    https://www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/1296738/passport-uk-renewal-passports-brexit-blue-twitter-outrage'
    Passport: Britons furious with new blue Brexit passport blast it a ‘disappointment’
    “Even the cover text isn’t central, paper lower quality, design ultra-bland, paper cheaper.”
    This continues to be the most hilarious Brexit thing

    You missed the best bit -
    However, as more and more people start to receive the blue document, many are voicing their “disappointment” with the passport.

    For some, a big problem is with the colour of the booklet.

    “New passport arrived this morning, had almost forgotten about the completely pointless change in colour,” tweeted one Briton.

    “By the way it is definitely black and not even remotely blue.”

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    [Expletive deleted][Expletive deleted] The mediocre doctor NorwayRegistered User regular
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    https://www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/1296738/passport-uk-renewal-passports-brexit-blue-twitter-outrage'
    Passport: Britons furious with new blue Brexit passport blast it a ‘disappointment’
    “Even the cover text isn’t central, paper lower quality, design ultra-bland, paper cheaper.”
    This continues to be the most hilarious Brexit thing

    You missed the best bit -
    However, as more and more people start to receive the blue document, many are voicing their “disappointment” with the passport.

    For some, a big problem is with the colour of the booklet.

    “New passport arrived this morning, had almost forgotten about the completely pointless change in colour,” tweeted one Briton.

    “By the way it is definitely black and not even remotely blue.”

    They've just completely misunderstood what the government promised: You'll be feeling blue when you get the passport.

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    KarlKarl Registered User regular
    Nationwide triples minimum deposit for UK first-time buyers

    Well....fuck me for not having a spare 10k to cover this?

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    Werewolf2000adWerewolf2000ad Suckers, I know exactly what went wrong. Registered User regular
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    You may have seen this image about today and assumed, as I initially did, that it was some sort of photoshopped spoof.

    It is 100% real.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN4wdAN9I10

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    KarlKarl Registered User regular
    Fucking hell

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    TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    moniker wrote: »
    Bogart wrote: »
    Defence editor for the DM (*spit*). Johnson has had a triffic new idea!



    Piss over our reputation overseas by putting the DfID inside the FCO, but hey here's a brightly coloured toy.

    Will they design an alternate version without St Andrew's Cross to be prepared?

    I think there is no chance the UK changes the flag after Scottish independence (even if it is an opportunity to get a dragon on it), though I expect a lot of school and Blue Peter challenges to design a new one.
    We're going to stick with the Union Jack and pretend it's just a phase Scotland is going through.

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    Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    tories have some very strange ideas about australia

    we're not reuniting the empire dude. it's cute that you want to buy our tim tams but what we actually need is someone to take four hundred million tons of coal off our hands in a slowly decarbonising global economy, call us back when you've got that one sorted out

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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    Ask not what Britain can do for you...

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    TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    edited June 2020
    Aren't Tim Tams just Penguins?

    Not setting a good precedent there for the US trade negotiations if you're favouring foreign made versions over a British company...

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    surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    no u cant have a penguin slam but u can have a tim tam slam. cmon guys this is basic

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