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[Heroes of the Storm] thread: Don't get excited, Dibby; we're just talking.

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    MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    Silver players: What's this Arcane Barrier you speak of?

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    fortyforty Registered User regular
    I think 0 people here would question the Kael ban.

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    MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    edited March 2021
    I know I'm late to the party here, but congrats @Dibby on the engagement. Do you have a date set yet? I'm assuming it's in 30-120 seconds from now, depending on the day.

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    DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    edited March 2021
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    I know I'm late to the party here, but congrats Dibby on the engagement. Do you have a date set yet? I'm assuming it's in 30-120 seconds from now, depending on the day.

    Well I think it's uhhhhh looking like any day now!! I... I think!! Even though it's been quite some time now... Ahhh jeez I'm not really sure!! But hopefully soon??

    Yknow, I heard complaining will make it happen faster, so...

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    milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    As someone who has been married for 15 years, I can assure you; QM is the one who complains to make you go faster, not the other way around.

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    MrBodyMrBody Registered User regular
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    Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    Abathur is a Fun and Interactive Hero

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    Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    I ran across this guy's videos last week, and they're really good! Most of them are short ~5 minute videos on very specific topics that he goes over pretty well. Below is a good example - how to position on BoE during the Immortal phase.

    It's unfortunate that his videos aren't as popular as, say, NotParadox's videos, given the latter doesn't even edit anything and half the time what he says in the commentary doesn't match what is actually going on in the video.

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    MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    So according to Reddit, this apparently popped up as the loading screen in the PTR before immediately getting pulled:

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    The blue rock backdrop is consistent with Blackthorne's underground levels. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make this happen!

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    Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    CavalierGuest has an updated Art of the Tank guide. Great stuff: https://old.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/mfohrg/cavalierguests_art_of_the_tank_20/

    I like how he breaks down why in HotS there's always a tension between running "pure" tanks and doing stuff like double healer or triple bruiser comps - because unlike other games where tanks have a very specific function that cannot be accomplished via other roles/classes (e.g., Taunting a mob), in HotS the tank is basically a mobile ward who sets up kills, which other heroes can compensate for using parts of their own kits.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    If they actually put blackthorne in the game I will lose my shit.

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    NeurotikaNeurotika Registered User regular
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    So according to Reddit, this apparently popped up as the loading screen in the PTR before immediately getting pulled:

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    The blue rock backdrop is consistent with Blackthorne's underground levels. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make this happen!

    Turns out it might be fake

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    MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    Sigh. RIP Blackthorne dreams.

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    milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    edited March 2021
    Hogger came to the Nexus only 4 months ago. It would be extremely ambitious to think the 2021 HotS team would be ready to release / anounce another Hero any time soon.

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    MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    milk ducks wrote: »
    Hogger came to the Nexus only 4 months ago. It would be extremely ambitious to think the 2021 HotS team would be ready to release / anounce another Hero any time soon.

    I don't think 4 months is that crazy a thought.

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    milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    We're realistically getting like 2 Heroes per year at this stage. We got one in December of 2020, so I set my expectations closer to May / June for anything new.
    If the team announces something any sooner than that, I can chalk it up to a "pleasant surprise".

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    MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    If we get a new hero every 4-6 months, I'm fine with that. Hopefully they can fill in the blanks with hero reworks, which I honestly find more exciting. I haven't even touched Hogger or Mei yet, since the reworks have been more fun.

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    milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    Reworks are a good compromise, I think. Maybe they're not as exciting as a brand new Hero release, but they're almost always super appreciated by the community. Lord knows there are a ton of Heroes that I'd still love to see completely reworked (some of them, honestly, from the fucking ground up). So I'll take a good Hero rework in lieu of a new release at this point, certainly.

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    milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    Also, you should try Mei. Her carry potential is honestly through the roof, having access to strong waveclear, area denial, pick potential, strong self-sustain, mobility, and a toolkit that's capable of making huge plays. She's very quickly become one of the Heroes in HotS that I feel most comfortable with, and I feel like I play her in about 50% of my matches at this point.

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    Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    God-tier Tyrande plays here:
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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    It depends on the extent of the rework tbh

    Tassadar and DVa might as well be new heroes for all that was changed about them.

    Cassia less so but the rework was still a huge factor in her viability.

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    MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    Can we rework Tyrael into a Bruiser and rework either Artanis or Imperius into a Tank?

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    Can we rework Tyrael into a Bruiser and rework either Artanis or Imperius into a Tank?

    I like Imperius, and Artanis has uses.

    Tyrael's design is just dogshit right now. He's ineffective in all but the most fringe cases where he suddenly becomes busted.

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    ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    They're still hard at work on that Haunted Mines rework everybody's looking forward to.

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    fortyforty Registered User regular
    No reworks for Tyrael, they'll just keep buffing his Jihad trait.

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    A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius It has been a doozy of a dayRegistered User regular
    milk ducks wrote: »
    Reworks are a good compromise, I think. Maybe they're not as exciting as a brand new Hero release, but they're almost always super appreciated by the community. Lord knows there are a ton of Heroes that I'd still love to see completely reworked (some of them, honestly, from the fucking ground up). So I'll take a good Hero rework in lieu of a new release at this point, certainly.

    So what would be your top 3 rework targets?

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    MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    Can we rework Tyrael into a Bruiser and rework either Artanis or Imperius into a Tank?

    I like Imperius, and Artanis has uses.

    Tyrael's design is just dogshit right now. He's ineffective in all but the most fringe cases where he suddenly becomes busted.

    You can like them, but I feel like one of them should be a Tank or at the very least, Tyrael should be a Bruiser.

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    ronzoronzo Registered User regular
    getting absolutely blasted by a 5 stack with 2x low-masters players on in QM while I was solo queuing might just be the last straw.

    I know they are low masters because they responded to whispers and halfway apologized. They're doing it to have accounts that can play ranked with their friends, but thats honestly just about as bad. Now some poor people in Gold/Plat are going to be destroyed.

    Level 13 account with a rank 18 imperius, 80% winrate was a nightmare to play against.

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    SaerisSaeris Borb Enthusiast flapflapflapflapRegistered User regular
    Some day they'll rework Probius. Some day.
    No, they won't.
    But if they did I hope they rework him into a support. He's a probe for god's sake, why is he a ranged assassin? Where is the helpful worker bee probe?

    Something like this:
    • Z: Doesn't break on damage if Probius is in a Pylon's radius.
    • Trait: Pylon: Lower the cooldown slightly, add one charge (3 pylons baseline).
    • Q: Warp In Shield Battery: Create a recharging shield battery within a Pylon's radius. Probius can activate the ability again to discharge the shield battery, granting a temporary shield split between all allies in its area of effect.
      • Radius would be fairly small, a little bigger than Living Bomb
      • Shield duration would be relatively long, around 6 seconds
      • Time to fully recharge would be something like 12 seconds
      • Allies can see the shield battery's charge level
      • If applied to one hero, it'd be a bit bigger than Zarya's ally shield
      • If applied to five heroes, it'd be split evenly, so barely noticeable at all
    • W: Warp Rift: Lower the damage, extend the duration slightly, detonates only if Probius moves into it.
    • E: Warp In Photon Cannon: Let Probius control it like Gazlowe's turrets.
    • R1: Pylon Overcharge: Lower the damage slightly. Also empowers photon cannon and shield battery for duration.
    • R2: Warp In Reinforcements: Probius warps in two durable low-damage immortals with armor-reducing attacks at any pylon on the map. They can be directed like Jaina's elemental. They eventually expire, but while powered by a pylon, their duration does not count down.

    The kit encourages Probius to get up close and play dangerously while within his pylons, much more active than his current play style where he has to sit pretty far back and pray there's no dive. When he's alone, he can zip around detonating Warp Rifts while his Shield Battery protects him, as long as he has pylon power. When he's supporting his team, the team can play around the shield battery to ensure that only those who need the shield are in range when Probius activates it. His weakness remains his pylons -- destroy them and he's almost helpless -- but his team now has a much stronger reason to help protect him and his pylons.

    That's the play style I was expecting from a probe. Very fragile with low, indirect damage... but quite slippery, with tons of point control and team utility.

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    Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    edited March 2021
    That's a very interesting rework... Assuming the damage is balanced properly, particularly for waveclear (as in, he probably shouldn't have too much of it), it at least sounds like a lot more fun to play than current Probius. Having him set up the Shield Battery to use it on people captures half of his "fantasy" from Starcraft, too.

    At its core the kit sounds a lot like old Tassadar. The main difference being Probius would have to set up beforehand and put himself in more danger to actually do damage. That aspect of Warp Rift - having to go through it to make it explode - is probably the thing that would be hardest to balance. It would basically never be worth diving into your Warp Rifts unless the damage were high enough to take the risk or there were basically no risk at all (e.g., when you're doing camps or being left alone in a lane).

    Maybe if you had increased move speed inside the radius of a Pylon? Or to better fit the Protoss fantasy - giving him a shield a la Fenix and perhaps adding some synergy there with the Shield Battery/Pylons. Then it might be worth weaving in and out to trade damage as long as you have shield HP.

    Edit: Speaking of reworks, when are they going to rework Abathur, the Fun and Interactive Hero?

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    The problem with making probius a support is that the supports break the game.

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    MrBodyMrBody Registered User regular
    If Blackthorn is a new hero, one of his moves needs to be a stasis where he goes Flat Stanley and presses himself up against a wall, immune to all damage.

    It will make no sense, but it will work.

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    milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    milk ducks wrote: »
    Reworks are a good compromise, I think. Maybe they're not as exciting as a brand new Hero release, but they're almost always super appreciated by the community. Lord knows there are a ton of Heroes that I'd still love to see completely reworked (some of them, honestly, from the fucking ground up). So I'll take a good Hero rework in lieu of a new release at this point, certainly.

    So what would be your top 3 rework targets?

    Good question, I'll have to think about it. The top 3 characters I want to see completely redesigned is easy, though: Kel'Thuzad; Valeera; and Probius.

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    milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    That Shadowstalk in the video, lol.

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    A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius It has been a doozy of a dayRegistered User regular
    Intentional DC in storm league should get your account banned. Fuck

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    kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    Intentional DC in storm league should get your account banned. Fuck

    Depends on what you mean by that. I've had to leave SL games before, sometimes Life Happens and I don't have a chance to finish. It sucks, but it's a video game. I've also had my internet crap out on me halfway through a game, does that look like an intentional DC?

    Leaver Queue sucks already tbh :P

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    A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius It has been a doozy of a dayRegistered User regular
    That was just a violent reaction to a duo that complained starting in draft and after the first lost objective both simultaneously quit while calling the team various childish names.

    In reality, yeah it wouldn't work. Life and the internet do be like that

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    MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    Hey, I hit Silver 3! It only took the entire season, but I moved up from Silver 4. LOL

    My last game had my team getting salty around 16, but then we got back to back team wipes for the win.

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    A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius It has been a doozy of a dayRegistered User regular
    Grats! I've clawed up from bronze 3 to silver 4. Silver 3, to me, is like describing colors to a blind man.

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    MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    Please never nerf the W build.

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    In draft I was like, "Did they not take any ranged DPS?! Oh this is gonna be a good game for me." I wasn't wrong!

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