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    OptyOpty Registered User regular
    Harry Potter is someone who goes through massive abuse and just shrugs it off at the end of the day. He returns to live with his abusive family every year instead of using his vast inherited riches to live in the wizard realm, decides to become a part of the bureaucracy that almost led to his death, and he cheerfully names his kids after two of his abusers.

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    shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    Opty wrote: »
    Harry Potter is someone who goes through massive abuse and just shrugs it off at the end of the day. He returns to live with his abusive family every year instead of using his vast inherited riches to live in the wizard realm, decides to become a part of the bureaucracy that almost led to his death, and he cheerfully names his kids after two of his abusers.

    I mean... he was literally forced to go back to live with his abusers, under threat of death. There had to be a better way to go about it, and book 5 shows that he was in no way bullet proof there if the baddies put some thought into it, but your phrasing makes it sound like it's his fault instead of the writing's fault.

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    Opty wrote: »
    Harry Potter is someone who goes through massive abuse and just shrugs it off at the end of the day. He returns to live with his abusive family every year instead of using his vast inherited riches to live in the wizard realm, decides to become a part of the bureaucracy that almost led to his death, and he cheerfully names his kids after two of his abusers.

    the uh...bits where he goes to live with his relatives are not by choice and are a pretty big sore spot between him and dumbledore when he finds out the reason

    he also spends the entire last book grappling with his feelings about dumbledore and working through them, and I think by the end he largely pities Snape? part of the reason the epilogue sucks so much is that it just obliterates any of the nuance she'd built into the books to that point, and the post-canon stuff she's thrown out on pottermore or wherever is also really bad! there's probably an interesting story in harry and his friends deciding they're going to rebuild the system into something better, especially given the state of the ministry at the end of the series is, generally speaking, that it's pretty much been razed to the ground, but that story hasn't been told, so we get "harry and ron are cops now!" and that's basically it, and her politics, while never great, have sure gotten much worse in the years since, which sure isn't fucking helping

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    The green flame torch

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    Remember that Troy Baker did digital redface for the last sucker punch game

    and a made-up tribe to boot!

    I have previously complained about this myself, BUT I have in recent years learned that there can be legal liabilities to using real-life tribal nations, especially in anything that has characters from said nation undertaking criminal or otherwise "disparaging" actions.

    Billions got sued by a real-life tribe, for a recent example. In that specific case, the show was REALLY DUMB and put real-life PEOPLE in a story about a tribal casino doing shady, underhanded shit, and THAT was the bigger problem. But legal departments get reeeeeeal gunshy.

    Shit's complicated. I still prefer real tribes, but there are cases where the legal department ties your hands.

    Right now my union's local chapter is seeking an artist from a PNW Salish tribe to redo our logo on the advise of our lawyers. Even though it was originally crafted by a member of a Salish tribe, we cannot prove that with our loose scrabble of ancient documentation--likely due to the fire that burned up a lot of our older physical archive many years back. I suspect they gave us this advice because they're worried about local tribes asking about our logo vis a vis its similarity to existing tribal symbols that may or may not be trademarked.

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    DJ Eebs wrote: »
    Opty wrote: »
    Harry Potter is someone who goes through massive abuse and just shrugs it off at the end of the day. He returns to live with his abusive family every year instead of using his vast inherited riches to live in the wizard realm, decides to become a part of the bureaucracy that almost led to his death, and he cheerfully names his kids after two of his abusers.

    the uh...bits where he goes to live with his relatives are not by choice and are a pretty big sore spot between him and dumbledore when he finds out the reason

    he also spends the entire last book grappling with his feelings about dumbledore and working through them, and I think by the end he largely pities Snape? part of the reason the epilogue sucks so much is that it just obliterates any of the nuance she'd built into the books to that point, and the post-canon stuff she's thrown out on pottermore or wherever is also really bad! there's probably an interesting story in harry and his friends deciding they're going to rebuild the system into something better, especially given the state of the ministry at the end of the series is, generally speaking, that it's pretty much been razed to the ground, but that story hasn't been told, so we get "harry and ron are cops now!" and that's basically it, and her politics, while never great, have sure gotten much worse in the years since, which sure isn't fucking helping

    Uh excuse you wizards shitting their pants and magicking it away is the only good Harry Potter thing

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    ph blake wrote: »
    The best version of Harry Potter is Little Witch Academia

    Little Witch Academia is one of the few pieces of media I can think of that provide a realistic and positive depiction of disability

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    CristovalCristoval Registered User regular
    Any time Troy Baker gets cast in a video game and they make a big deal of it it's like, fucking really? Are there only 5 people in video game VA? Are they all in that video?

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Cristoval wrote: »
    Any time Troy Baker gets cast in a video game and they make a big deal of it it's like, fucking really? Are there only 5 people in video game VA? Are they all in that video?

    My understanding is that the VA business is very insular and people want consistency more than anything

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    PaperLuigi44PaperLuigi44 My amazement is at maximum capacity. Registered User regular
    DJ Eebs wrote: »
    Opty wrote: »
    Harry Potter is someone who goes through massive abuse and just shrugs it off at the end of the day. He returns to live with his abusive family every year instead of using his vast inherited riches to live in the wizard realm, decides to become a part of the bureaucracy that almost led to his death, and he cheerfully names his kids after two of his abusers.

    the uh...bits where he goes to live with his relatives are not by choice and are a pretty big sore spot between him and dumbledore when he finds out the reason

    What was the reason?

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    OmnomnomPancakeOmnomnomPancake Registered User regular
    Cristoval wrote: »
    Any time Troy Baker gets cast in a video game and they make a big deal of it it's like, fucking really? Are there only 5 people in video game VA? Are they all in that video?

    troy baker is so up his own ass

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    CristovalCristoval Registered User regular
    Woof

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    Remember like a decade ago when Troy Baker was kinda cool and it was like "oh rad the voice of kanji is getting more work, haha take that Nolan North!"

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    MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited July 2020
    DJ Eebs wrote: »
    Opty wrote: »
    Harry Potter is someone who goes through massive abuse and just shrugs it off at the end of the day. He returns to live with his abusive family every year instead of using his vast inherited riches to live in the wizard realm, decides to become a part of the bureaucracy that almost led to his death, and he cheerfully names his kids after two of his abusers.

    the uh...bits where he goes to live with his relatives are not by choice and are a pretty big sore spot between him and dumbledore when he finds out the reason

    What was the reason?

    Recharged the magic protection that kept Voldemort from being able to touch him.

    Up until Voldemort was able to touch him because despite others claiming he wasn't capable of understanding love he sure knew enough about it to break down the mysterious magic into its components, slip himself into the range of the spell as someone "safe" so he could touch Harry, then rebuild it perfectly.

    Madican on
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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Madican wrote: »
    DJ Eebs wrote: »
    Opty wrote: »
    Harry Potter is someone who goes through massive abuse and just shrugs it off at the end of the day. He returns to live with his abusive family every year instead of using his vast inherited riches to live in the wizard realm, decides to become a part of the bureaucracy that almost led to his death, and he cheerfully names his kids after two of his abusers.

    the uh...bits where he goes to live with his relatives are not by choice and are a pretty big sore spot between him and dumbledore when he finds out the reason

    What was the reason?

    Recharged the magic protection that kept Voldemort from being able to touch him.

    Up until Voldemort was able to touch him because despite others claiming he wasn't capable of understanding love he sure knew enough about it to break down the mysterious magic into its components, slip himself into the range of the spell as someone "safe" so he could touch Harry, then rebuild it perfectly.

    Wasn't there a thing where Voldemort reincarnating himself via Harry's blood had some sort of backfire effect eventually?

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    Remember like a decade ago when Troy Baker was kinda cool and it was like "oh rad the voice of kanji is getting more work, haha take that Nolan North!"

    there seems to be a like 6-7 year period where a guy gets to be The Main Character of Voice Acting for video games

    Nolan North had his period, then it got handed over to Troy Baker, now it's like Matt Mercer or somebody

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    rhylithrhylith Death Rabbits HoustonRegistered User regular
    edited July 2020
    Mr. G wrote: »
    Remember like a decade ago when Troy Baker was kinda cool and it was like "oh rad the voice of kanji is getting more work, haha take that Nolan North!"

    there seems to be a like 6-7 year period where a guy gets to be The Main Character of Voice Acting for video games

    Nolan North had his period, then it got handed over to Troy Baker, now it's like Matt Mercer or somebody

    Give it to SungWon Cho.

    rhylith on
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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    Mr. G wrote: »
    Remember like a decade ago when Troy Baker was kinda cool and it was like "oh rad the voice of kanji is getting more work, haha take that Nolan North!"

    there seems to be a like 6-7 year period where a guy gets to be The Main Character of Voice Acting for video games

    Nolan North had his period, then it got handed over to Troy Baker, now it's like Matt Mercer or somebody

    feels like matt mercer is largely consumed by the critical role thing, at this point

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    Houk the NamebringerHouk the Namebringer Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    DJ Eebs wrote: »
    Mr. G wrote: »
    Remember like a decade ago when Troy Baker was kinda cool and it was like "oh rad the voice of kanji is getting more work, haha take that Nolan North!"

    there seems to be a like 6-7 year period where a guy gets to be The Main Character of Voice Acting for video games

    Nolan North had his period, then it got handed over to Troy Baker, now it's like Matt Mercer or somebody

    feels like matt mercer is largely consumed by the critical role thing, at this point

    which I'm totally fine with. mercer hasn't shown himself to be a complete butthead yet and if he just sticks to inoffensive d&d content from now on I'll count that as a win

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    Muddy WaterMuddy Water Quiet Batperson Registered User regular
    edited July 2020
    I eventually realised that a strong component of my love for Harry Potter was wish fulfillment. I was a 10,11,12-year old kid reading about this 11,12,13-year old kid who immediately gets recognised as being special from the moment he enters school. People just look at his forehead and gasp. He's immediately naturally talented at the sexiest position in the one sport the school has. He gets into cool adventures like crashing a flying car to make his grand entrance into the school year, finding an invisibility cloak and a map of secrets to the school, getting drafted into the super special wizard tournament without even trying to, etc. In a sea of anonymous dweebs, he's constantly marked out as special. The walls literally scream it at him.

    As a 10-year-old anonymous dweeb/idiot, of course I was into that.

    Muddy Water on
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    SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    The harry potter series are some good books for children, but they really do not hold up to scrutiny by adults. Because that's how all children's books are. Adults have to be dumb so that children can take the spotlight.

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    The harry potter series are some good books for children, but they really do not hold up to scrutiny by adults. Because that's how all children's books are. Adults have to be dumb so that children can take the spotlight.

    please tell that to all the adults who continue to only see government through the lens of Harry Potter

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    MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »
    The harry potter series are some good books for children, but they really do not hold up to scrutiny by adults. Because that's how all children's books are. Adults have to be dumb so that children can take the spotlight.

    please tell that to all the adults who continue to only see government through the lens of Harry Potter

    Spoken like a true uh *flips through book* Mr Felch? That can’t be right.

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    never dienever die Registered User regular
    DJ Eebs wrote: »
    Opty wrote: »
    Harry Potter is someone who goes through massive abuse and just shrugs it off at the end of the day. He returns to live with his abusive family every year instead of using his vast inherited riches to live in the wizard realm, decides to become a part of the bureaucracy that almost led to his death, and he cheerfully names his kids after two of his abusers.

    the uh...bits where he goes to live with his relatives are not by choice and are a pretty big sore spot between him and dumbledore when he finds out the reason

    he also spends the entire last book grappling with his feelings about dumbledore and working through them, and I think by the end he largely pities Snape? part of the reason the epilogue sucks so much is that it just obliterates any of the nuance she'd built into the books to that point, and the post-canon stuff she's thrown out on pottermore or wherever is also really bad! there's probably an interesting story in harry and his friends deciding they're going to rebuild the system into something better, especially given the state of the ministry at the end of the series is, generally speaking, that it's pretty much been razed to the ground, but that story hasn't been told, so we get "harry and ron are cops now!" and that's basically it, and her politics, while never great, have sure gotten much worse in the years since, which sure isn't fucking helping

    Yeah, one of the things the last book I thought actually did pretty well was grapple with the legacy of Dumbledore as a person, who made many horrible mistakes in his youth (and was a huge fucking racist) and grew to fight everything he used to stand for and guide many future generations of wizards. There are still flaws in its execution (and her completely chickening out to making Dumbledore explicitly gay in the text), but I do remember enjoying that part of the book quite a bit.

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    MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited July 2020
    Madican wrote: »
    DJ Eebs wrote: »
    Opty wrote: »
    Harry Potter is someone who goes through massive abuse and just shrugs it off at the end of the day. He returns to live with his abusive family every year instead of using his vast inherited riches to live in the wizard realm, decides to become a part of the bureaucracy that almost led to his death, and he cheerfully names his kids after two of his abusers.

    the uh...bits where he goes to live with his relatives are not by choice and are a pretty big sore spot between him and dumbledore when he finds out the reason

    What was the reason?

    Recharged the magic protection that kept Voldemort from being able to touch him.

    Up until Voldemort was able to touch him because despite others claiming he wasn't capable of understanding love he sure knew enough about it to break down the mysterious magic into its components, slip himself into the range of the spell as someone "safe" so he could touch Harry, then rebuild it perfectly.

    Wasn't there a thing where Voldemort reincarnating himself via Harry's blood had some sort of backfire effect eventually?

    Other than Harry getting baited by Voldemort using the mental connection not really. The real backfire at the end was when Voldemort didn't realize he hadn't taken ownership of the Elder Wand and tried to use a big killing curse, which was the equivalent of trying to fire a plugged shotgun that might also have been somewhat sentient.

    Madican on
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    shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    Voldemort had a cascading series of failures related to Harry and the Prophecy and the magical protections and all that. In fear of a weapon that could kill him, he painstakingly crafted that weapon by his own actions. In focusing solely on the prophecy, he ignored his fated foe's support system. If he had cut Dumbledore's Army to shreds first, he could have won handily. Which is also how he lost the first time, if he had just let the Potters run off and hide, he wouldn't have lost Snape's loyalty, and could have focused more on other threats. I do love backfiring prophecies and self fulfilling ones and so on. That makes the "Chosen One" stuff worth it to me, as it's more about psychology and circular thinking ruining things than "fate" or "destiny."

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    edited July 2020
    I think it might be that people have found better outlets for their kinks on the internet and are better able to resist writing about it in their professional work, but I also haven't read a novel in a decade or longer so for all I know your average fantasy novel these days is nothing but kink.
    Could it be possible? Can that be imagined in such a situation! That I, an Earth girl, the helpless captive of a brutally handsome, mighty barbarian, wished to please him, and as a woman? Yes, it is true. It is simply true. Hold me in contempt if you must. I do not object. I am not ashamed. I wanted to please the dominant beast. Further, I wanted to please him not simply from fear but also, incredibly perhaps to your mind, out of an inexplicable gratitude for his dominance, which, for no reason I understood, and in spite of my Earth conditioning, I found glorious. I found myself grateful for his strength, and proud for it, though I knew I was the helpless object upon which it would be exercised. I found these sensations deeply disturbing, and profoundly thrilling. I stood straight. I, though a girl of Earth, virginal, well trained and conditioned, intelligent and of good family, wanted to throw myself naked in the grass at the feet of such a man, his. He lifted his head, and looked away from me, out through the trees. I was eager to carry his shield, to have its heavy weight placed across my small back, that I might serve him again, as I had before, as his lovely beast of burden, heeling him, but he did not again stagger me beneath that ponderous weight. He stood now, I knew, in a country of enemies. He retained the shield, as he did the spear, the sword. I wanted to beg him on my knees to rape me.

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    I've told this story before but when I was like 11 I was given a box of second hand Gor books because a well meaning aunt thought they would be like Lord of The Rings. And at first I was like "cool! this is kinda like conan!".

    At 11 I was not really interested in sex at all, and weirdly these books contain very few explicity decriptions of sex, they just talk about slaves and rape over and over again, and most of the subtext of that went over my head as I tried to just skip to the next fighting adventure bit. Eventually all the fighting adventure bits were just... replaced by more and more of this.

    it is very fucked up reading bits of them now


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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    Not really relevant to anything else but Troy Baker also has a fairly pretentious album of music that I find quite bad

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    I hear what you folks are putting down.

    Troy Baker, he's out.

    The next prominent video game voice actor needs to be Paul Giamatti.

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    LalaboxLalabox Registered User regular
    The worst sex scenes in novels i read in high school tended to be from spy books

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    CristovalCristoval Registered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    Not really relevant to anything else but Troy Baker also has a fairly pretentious album of music that I find quite bad

    Listen, Troy Baker is a S T O R Y T E L L E R.

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    SporkAndrewSporkAndrew Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I'm currently reading the illustrated Harry Potter to my 6-year-old. When we get to the end of the last book I might just replace the epilogue with Teodor's epilogue

    It makes more sense

    The one about the fucking space hairdresser and the cowboy. He's got a tinfoil pal and a pedal bin
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    el_vicioel_vicio Registered User regular
    What is Baker even trying to say with that Roosevelt quote

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    el_vicio wrote: »
    What is Baker even trying to say with that Roosevelt quote

    That critics should shut the fuck up because they don't matter

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    PaperLuigi44PaperLuigi44 My amazement is at maximum capacity. Registered User regular
    el_vicio wrote: »
    What is Baker even trying to say with that Roosevelt quote

    "Critics suck"/"How dare somebody criticise video games"

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    el_vicioel_vicio Registered User regular
    But...Baker isn't the one who makes games too long? What is he doing, why

    ugh

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    HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    Not critics of him specifically necessarily just criticism of anything maybe instead of complaining you should like be the change you want to see in the world you crawling worms

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    EtchwartsEtchwarts Eyes Up Registered User regular
    Hobnail wrote: »
    Not critics of him specifically necessarily just criticism of anything maybe instead of complaining you should like be the change you want to see in the world you crawling worms

    Yeah I love Ratatouille

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    rhylithrhylith Death Rabbits HoustonRegistered User regular
    Video games ARE too long

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    PaperLuigi44PaperLuigi44 My amazement is at maximum capacity. Registered User regular
    When someone criticises video games it is your duty as a Gamer to show those mean critics what for.

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