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The General [Coronavirus] Discussion Thread is WAY worse than the flu
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This thread is like the other discussion threads, but without the "Democrats are awesome/evil" which is extremely tiring, and enough about covid is extremely tiring.
This thread is different from the updates thread. The updates thread is for posting updates (new news) so that people who just want new information (or clarification of it) don't need to dig through posts about your uncle to get to it; this one is for discussing how we are affected as individuals, and families, and communities. Feel free to cross-post from there to continue discussions.
Oh yeah, and if you are throwing a bunch of numbers out there, or info not everyone might have, cite your sources. It helps keep confusion/misinformation to a minimum and people will like you slightly more.
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So the home crafted face mask industry is coming back again down here. There's plenty of hand sanitizer around for the moment, but no big boxes of masks like there were last week.
I knew I should have bought one last week.
The message coming through to is getting the government of NZ is "a second wave is a When not an If". So they're working on trying to get the country prepared for the inevitable.
Suggesting face masks, pumping up our contact tracing app with other options, and focusing on testing.
I'm trying to not be complacent, I'm trying to remain vigilant. But I think that when we do see the second wave, it will be less disruptive, or at least as disruptive, as the first.
Thankfully, we have the evidence of the rest of the world to kind of jump us back into guard, so to speak.
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The district is woefully underfunded and essentially forgoing a good bit of funding this year by not opening in person. They only have so many chromebooks and they're giving students priority, but that still leaves a lot of students without, and those who get may not have internet to get the materials or stream the classes, or childcare to stay home with at all to help them use it. Or reasonable data caps. And that's before you even get to the kids who won't be allowed to have school that way by parents for whom it's all or nothing and won't be bothered with online stuff, or have households with two or more siblings, or households that are just generally loud or unsafe. Or the kids whose parents will thank the school for the chromebooks and then take them for themselves or sell them because food is more important than school. It's... a lot, and they only have a couple weeks to figure it all out with no money.
I'm looking into online learning options because even though I have no idea how I would homeschool again, a structured online solution that has experience with being what it is might work out a lot better than "regular school throws shit at nearest wall in case something happens" like we got at the end of last school year.
We'd be foolish not to. There's no vaccine yet, the rest of the world is still on fire, and our border security is only so good.
We've had ten people escape from managed isolation. They were in public for anything from 30 minutes to almost three hours.
We had one person break into an isolation area, but they were only there for fifteen minutes at midi and didn't interact with anybody.
It only takes one of those cases to cause infection. Luckily, they're have been none. Even the guy that later tested positive after going to a food store in central city Auckland.
We've been very lucky in that regard.
But it takes just one, and since we are rightfully not going to just lock people up in prisons as isolation methods, they're is always the chance of that one getting out and into the community.
We would be foolish to not expect another wave.
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Expecting the worst is, like, a key ingredient in how NZ has fared as well as it has, I'm sure.
I also overheard one patron ask my supervisor if the employees all had to wear masks inside all the time, and when she said yes, he started going on about how that's bad for you to do that for so long, you're breathing in your own carbon dioxide, then he slid into anti-vaccination speak. I overheard the words "forced vaccinations" and "Bill Gates" and quickly found something to do in another part of the library because I didn't want to hear anything else from him.
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A lot of people treat them like different options, which is a big problem.
That is my understanding, but really it depends on what kind of activity you are doing. Sitting close at a picnic table for lunch is much more risky than just going for a walk. A breeze makes things even less risky because wind disperses exhaled air. A major component for transmission is the quantity and concentration of breathing air recently exhaled by others. That's what makes an enclosed room with no airflow so dangerous. Exhaled air quickly reaches dangerous saturation levels. I'd still wear a mask outdoors because you may need to go indoors for some reason.
Anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on something.
I imagine the US is just going to continue riding its first wave all the way through the release of actual vaccines.
That really feels like what kind of resolution you use. I feel like you're going to see regional splits with various increases and decreases. Of course almost no where can effectively maintain a border in the US so nowhere is going to get to NZ level "COVID free".
I expect our first wave will never end but keep traveling.
A quarter million people from all over the country in one tiny town sure does seem like a bad idea.
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A quarter million of people statistically more likely to not wear masks in the first place, drinking heavily, and partying.
What could go wrong?
Here's an excerpt from his most recent statement:
Gosh, we were seeing over 100 cases per day, have over 6,000 active cases, and over 120 deaths. But sure, leaving things open was fine and we have to go for balance.
I'm sorry to be snippy, but this asshole is clearly trying to pander to the "BUT THE ECONOMY!!!" segment of idiots, and it just makes my heart sink when I think my health and safety are his responsibility.
For the shit lining of this cloud, the timing also works out for them to get home and pass this to their families right about the time their kids / grandkids start school.
America is basically putting on a master class in how to not handle a pandemic. Despite some heroic but likely doomed efforts by individual states / municipalities. All the disruption and pain since March all pissed away.
Half of me is glad that my kids are going back to school. Both my wife and I work full time and not having to find childcare is a godsend. The other half fears putting my kids at risk of catching COVID and also realizes that schools aren't supposed to be day cares. I feel horrible for these poor teachers who are usually overworked and almost certainly underpaid.
I feel like I'm wrong no matter what I do.
Yep, we've fucked things up gloriously and there are only least terrible solutions, not good ones. I finally learn what we're doing on Monday, though it seems like the board has a majority for all virtual right now.
That man was older (60s or 70s) and spent literal months in the ICU. Only one other family member got out as well. Others, from as young as in their 20s, all passed away.
It was a very bittersweet moment for her looking at that picture. The patient was clearly grateful to be there, but thinking about the devastation that family went through really got to her again.
Fucking hell, hearts out to her, you, and everyone.
Just...Christ
This article is not satire.
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"We're not sick, YOU'RE SICK!"
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Terrified for my wife (kindergarten teacher). For her students. For the support staff of the (very aged) building. For all the families that extend from all the students and staff.
I mean some of the classrooms have windows, but then some of those that do have windows open onto hallways and lobbies instead of outside (seriously?)
As much as the above comes from being terrified, there is an equal amount of anger. This was avoidable (not totally, but VASTLY more mitigated). Period. There are so many failures at all levels, whether unintentional or malicious, that to put it in modern terms, 'I can't even'. I saw such a deep shade of red when I read the report of the student being punitively suspended for taking that hallway picture (was that also in Georgia?). And others being threatened if they turned whistleblower? Argh, just argh...
The wishful me would hope that the vast majority in our district would pick remote, but I can identify the reality of working parents making hard decisions. Again, the anger comes back because parents should not have had to make such a grim fucking decision. There should be societal/governmental nets in place to deal with such a serious health threat. Which is still unknown in terms of long term effects because this is novel.
All that we are left with is what can we do personally to mitigate. And it shouldn't be left to people to face that alone and unsupported.
In school registration requires you to physically go to the school inside and register.
This is gonna fucking explode around mid September
I'd agree it's not satire, but I'd argue the premise of the headline is garbage. Reading the article, it show that the US has a 4 category system, consisting of :
Level 1: Exercise Normal Precautions.
Level 2: Exercise Increased Caution.
Level 3: Reconsider Travel.
Level 4: Do Not Travel.
Under that system, I'd argue nowhere in the world should be level 1, and it does make perfect sense for NZ to be classified as level 2. In this case, it seems more like our paper of record is fishing for clicks, rather than doing anything particularly useful.
checking it, and yes, that seems to be the case.
there's a level 2 "exercise caution" warning about Antarctica. ?!
the only places at level 1 are Macau (?) and Taiwan (??).
while NZ should probably rightfully be at a 1, it's a cherry-picked data point to create an article title.
In a reasonable world if our government weren't full of selfish assholes, NZ and Iceland (the only two places that are basically clean I think?) would be a 3/4 in a sense that us Americans have too many cases and should seriously consider not going there because the chances of spreading to those places is way too high.
Even if you're taking maximum precautions, there are vanishingly few reasons important enough for someone to go from an infected hot spot like the US, travel in a plane for 20+ hours, and risk infecting other passengers or people at the destination. I can't think of many reasons other than a NZ citizen / permanent resident being repatriated.
Oh, yes, the US take on this is currently irrelevant for the purposes of travel to NZ - if you are not a permanent resident, or NZ citizen, you're not going to be allowed into the country, regardless - it just irritates me that the Herald is fishing for clicks on this - particularly given the number of editorials they ran calling for measures put in place to control the virus to be loosened, and their ongoing advocacy to basically allow sufficiently rich people to get in (admittedly, this is also shared by at least one former PM).