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USPS: Ideally nothing stops the mail, including garbage fascists

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  • zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    Forar wrote: »
    Intellectually I know you mean “a gun, a badge, and a clipboard”, but somehow I really want a gun-badge to be a thing anyways, despite it being an awful idea on simply countless levels.

    Would you prefer a badge that shoots bullets, a gun with a badge welded to it, or a gun that shoots badges.

  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    a clipboard that shoots badges

  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    zepherin wrote: »
    Forar wrote: »
    Intellectually I know you mean “a gun, a badge, and a clipboard”, but somehow I really want a gun-badge to be a thing anyways, despite it being an awful idea on simply countless levels.

    Would you prefer a badge that shoots bullets, a gun with a badge welded to it, or a gun that shoots badges.

    I'm imagining the middle of those, as one more ridiculous bit of Judge's kit. (The Lawgiver is already halfway there, just put a slightly smaller version of the chest badge on it.)

  • TetraNitroCubaneTetraNitroCubane Not Angry... Just VERY Disappointed...Registered User regular

    USPS ordered to remove 671 mail sorting machines under DeJoy:

    59 in Florida
    58 in Texas
    34 in Ohio
    30 in Pennsylvania
    26 in Michigan
    15 in North Carolina
    12 in Virginia
    12 in Wisconsin
    11 in Georgia

    He just said removed machines won’t be reinstalled. This is major crisis


    Sen Gary Peters (D-MI): “Will you be bringing back any mail sorting machines that have been removed?"

    DeJoy: “There’s no intention to do that. They’re not needed”

    Ari Berman is a reporter for Mother Jones.

  • GyralGyral Registered User regular
    zepherin wrote: »
    Forar wrote: »
    Intellectually I know you mean “a gun, a badge, and a clipboard”, but somehow I really want a gun-badge to be a thing anyways, despite it being an awful idea on simply countless levels.

    Would you prefer a badge that shoots bullets, a gun with a badge welded to it, or a gun that shoots badges.
    Having played my fair share of Borderlands, I really want the third. And those badges explode on impact.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    My very anonymous Senator asked good questions this morning. Simple and direct.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Literally only removed sorting machines in swing states or ones doing large scale mail-in voting

  • JaysonFourJaysonFour Classy Monster Kitteh Registered User regular
    zagdrob wrote: »
    Sorce wrote: »
    Doodmann wrote: »
    You know, USPS being the first department to openly rebel against the executive branch was not on my 2020 bingo card but it makes a lot of sense.
    The only other one to openly rebel that I can remember is the National Park Service.

    What a pair they make.

    Did NPS openly rebel? I remember all the 'unofficial' twitters but nothing openly from the rank and file.

    Hell, the National Weather Service probably deserves a good mark there for the whole sharpie hurricane map thing, even if eventually the appointees stamped most of it out.

    USPS, NPS, NWS...what's next? War on librarians? (A very poor battle to pick by my understanding of librarians)

    The war on librarians intelligence has been ongoing for decades.

    The less you know about the world and how it works, the easier it is for someone to get you to believe it works the way they tell you it does, and then to convince you to let them make all the hard decisions in your life for you.

    But to be on topic, there's still a lot of people who depend on the mail. I'm surprised eBay hasn't come out fucking firing on this, because a lot of its sellers use it to ship stuff, and this would be a huge pain in the ass for the bigger sellers.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    Between Munichin being involved and how it just so happens that swing states and heavy vote-by-mail states are the ones that had machines removed, it's removed all doubt that the intention is to fuck with the election and not just fuck with the USPS in general.

  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Literally only removed sorting machines in swing states or ones doing large scale mail-in voting

    Count the numbers. The states in question are 257 of the 671, and includes two of the most populated states. Like, that reads to me "they were removed literally EVERYWHERE" and was highlighting the counts in swing states.

  • TetraNitroCubaneTetraNitroCubane Not Angry... Just VERY Disappointed...Registered User regular
    edited August 2020
    Between Munichin being involved and how it just so happens that swing states and heavy vote-by-mail states are the ones that had machines removed, it's removed all doubt that the intention is to fuck with the election and not just fuck with the USPS in general.

    I mean, they're really connected.

    It's just that A) The election is happening soon enough that any damage done now can't be repaired in time, and B) Fucking with the election to ensure Trump's lock on victory means they can close the deal on fucking the USPS.

    If Biden gets in, or the Senate flips, they might actually do something about the malfeasance. Keeping the GOP in power means they can continue to dismantle and hamstring the USPS - So they're incentivized to break things and KEEP breaking things now, to prevent consequences later.

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  • LowHitPointsLowHitPoints Sword of the Afternoon MichiganRegistered User regular

    USPS ordered to remove 671 mail sorting machines under DeJoy:

    59 in Florida
    58 in Texas
    34 in Ohio
    30 in Pennsylvania
    26 in Michigan
    15 in North Carolina
    12 in Virginia
    12 in Wisconsin
    11 in Georgia

    He just said removed machines won’t be reinstalled. This is major crisis

    Those states add up to 175 EC votes, none of which are solid R or solid D projections on any of the mainstream maps I have seen. 538 has another 56 EC in solid R states, bringing Trump to 232. If they are able to properly suppress the vote in the states where the machines have been removed, then they will just need to mop up 38 votes in states like AZ, MO, LA, MS. SC, IA, and KS.

  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Did the math: 38.3% of machines removed, and 36.2% of population. So slightly above, and some states outsized relatively speaking (Wisconsin is a fair bit smaller than the others, Georgia's pop is more up with Ohio), but not so far out of whack that I'd say they're targeting swing states so much as removing capacity EVERYWHERE.

  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    Got the mail today, ending 10 days without. A copy of Game Informer addressed to somebody in a different county, expired coupons, and a Consumers bill I already paid. Not sure if this actually counts as getting mail.

  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    Right now, for Biden to get the 270 he needs to win, based on polling, he needs in order of best polling to worst polling in non-deep blue states: Minnesota, Michigan, New Hamphire, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, which are are "lean blue" (5-10% in favor of Biden) according to frontloading.blogspot.com Those are the only "lean blue" states, but it does get him to to 286. So long as things go to Biden's side for the margin of error, he might be able to win even with election fuckery. If things err on the other side, we're fucked beyond belief.

    Florida, Nevada, Arizona, North Carolina and Ohio are all "toss-up" leaning towards Biden. In a normal year they'd be there for running up the EC count, but I really doubt Biden's chances there with the post office fucked.

  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    edited August 2020
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/08/20/postal-service-mail-sorters-removals/?outputType=amp
    In case anyone else was wondering "671 sounds like a big number, but is it?"
    In 2018, for instance, the agency decommissioned about 3 percent of its Delivery Bar Code Sorters, or 125 machines. In 2019, it was 5 percent, or 186 machines. The 671 on this year’s list amounted to about 13 percent.

    So, yes? Certainly relative to previous reductions in terms of inventory. In terms of capacity:
    According to a grievance filed by the American Postal Workers Union and obtained by The Washington Post, the Postal Service was poised to decommission 671 of the massive machines, about 10 percent of its inventory, and capable of sorting 21.4 million pieces of paper mail per hour. The Postal Service, by comparison, processes as much as 500 million items each day.
    Assuming that 500m was 8 hour days, that's an extra 34%; 50% at 12 hours. More if that 500m includes packages. This excess capacity also serves as redundancy if these aging machines break down under heavy load, which is an inverse function of capacity!

    So 671 seems like a lot in that context as well.

    DeJoy has seemed resistant to the idea of releasing the analysis these reductions are based on; who wants to bet that the justification for this permanent reduction in paper capacity is predicated on the pandemic-induced slump in paper mail?

    If so, I'm curious if he was hoping to position the USPS to implode as soon as this Christmas, as opposed to a gradual degradation of service until people finally came around on privatization.

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  • StarZapperStarZapper Vermont, Bizzaro world.Registered User regular
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/08/20/postal-service-mail-sorters-removals/?outputType=amp
    In case anyone else was wondering "671 sounds like a big number, but is it?"
    In 2018, for instance, the agency decommissioned about 3 percent of its Delivery Bar Code Sorters, or 125 machines. In 2019, it was 5 percent, or 186 machines. The 671 on this year’s list amounted to about 13 percent.

    So, yes? Certainly relative to previous reductions in terms of inventory. In terms of capacity:
    According to a grievance filed by the American Postal Workers Union and obtained by The Washington Post, the Postal Service was poised to decommission 671 of the massive machines, about 10 percent of its inventory, and capable of sorting 21.4 million pieces of paper mail per hour. The Postal Service, by comparison, processes as much as 500 million items each day.
    Assuming that 500m was 8 hour days, that's an extra 34%; 50% at 12 hours. More if that 500m includes packages. This excess capacity also serves as redundancy if these aging machines break down under heavy load, which is an inverse function of capacity!

    So 671 seems like a lot in that context as well.

    DeJoy has seemed resistant to the idea of releasing the analysis these reductions are based on; who wants to bet that the justification for this permanent reduction in paper capacity is predicated on the pandemic-induced slump in paper mail?

    If so, I'm curious if he was hoping to position the USPS to implode as soon as this Christmas, as opposed to a gradual degradation of service until people finally came around on privatization.

    I mean, on surface the decommissioning of these machines makes sense in a way, as the article points out actual postage numbers have been way, way down for years. I'm sure the pandemic affected that huge too, for years now my mailbox has mostly been a trashcan for local companies/newspapers to send me their weekly ads I use as firestarters. So the post office reconfiguring itself more for packages, which is where the business has been going for years make sense.

    It's also unclear how many of these machines would actually be used for paper ballots, as there are several different types and they are very specialized for what size and type of mail they sort. But the timing of this all is very suspect, and there should be serious investigations into this by congress why these decisions were made, and what data is driving these changes and why they're obfuscating the reasons for their actions. Because there's absolutely zero reason to trust these bastards so much as an inch.

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Dismantling it makes no sense except to try and kill the post service/interfere with the election.

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    The changes made so far were made under the auspices of efficiency and costcutting, but they're not the end of things. As we get closer to the election, there's going to be more and more changes, each less and less justifiable.

    So long as Trump wins, there will be no accountability for these actions, so as DeJoy goes further towards interfering with the election, the more he's incentivized to ensure that Trump wins to avoid facing punishment for his actions.

  • evilmrhenryevilmrhenry Registered User regular
    edited August 2020
    I will say that what people are pissed about is not getting an expected package for weeks, which seems to be caused more by the poorly-implemented "no overtime ever" policy than anything else. I'm not sure what effect removing the sorting machines would even have on ballots. A delay of a day or two because it takes longer to sort them isn't the end of democracy, while not delivering ballots at all to people at the ends of routes is Really Bad.

    Also, that this is a good example of what dealing with Trump policies has been like. A half-dozen changes get made, and then we need to sort through them to figure out which ones were made out of a misguided effort to treat a governmental service like a business, which ones are an attempt to skim money off the top, which ones were made because the person put in charge has no relevant experience and an unwillingness to learn, and which are made because Trump is a fascist. (As always, check all relevant boxes.)

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited August 2020
    The changes made so far were made under the auspices of efficiency and costcutting,but they're not the end of things. As we get closer to the election, there's going to be more and more changes, each less and less justifiable.

    So long as Trump wins, there will be no accountability for these actions, so as DeJoy goes further towards interfering with the election, the more he's incentivized to ensure that Trump wins to avoid facing punishment for his actions.

    Literally every other time they have cut the number of these machines, the drop in efficiency was several times larger than the savings.

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  • MayabirdMayabird Pecking at the keyboardRegistered User regular
  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    edited August 2020
    StarZapper wrote: »
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/08/20/postal-service-mail-sorters-removals/?outputType=amp
    In case anyone else was wondering "671 sounds like a big number, but is it?"
    In 2018, for instance, the agency decommissioned about 3 percent of its Delivery Bar Code Sorters, or 125 machines. In 2019, it was 5 percent, or 186 machines. The 671 on this year’s list amounted to about 13 percent.

    So, yes? Certainly relative to previous reductions in terms of inventory. In terms of capacity:
    According to a grievance filed by the American Postal Workers Union and obtained by The Washington Post, the Postal Service was poised to decommission 671 of the massive machines, about 10 percent of its inventory, and capable of sorting 21.4 million pieces of paper mail per hour. The Postal Service, by comparison, processes as much as 500 million items each day.
    Assuming that 500m was 8 hour days, that's an extra 34%; 50% at 12 hours. More if that 500m includes packages. This excess capacity also serves as redundancy if these aging machines break down under heavy load, which is an inverse function of capacity!

    So 671 seems like a lot in that context as well.

    DeJoy has seemed resistant to the idea of releasing the analysis these reductions are based on; who wants to bet that the justification for this permanent reduction in paper capacity is predicated on the pandemic-induced slump in paper mail?

    If so, I'm curious if he was hoping to position the USPS to implode as soon as this Christmas, as opposed to a gradual degradation of service until people finally came around on privatization.

    I mean, on surface the decommissioning of these machines makes sense in a way, as the article points out actual postage numbers have been way, way down for years. I'm sure the pandemic affected that huge too, for years now my mailbox has mostly been a trashcan for local companies/newspapers to send me their weekly ads I use as firestarters. So the post office reconfiguring itself more for packages, which is where the business has been going for years make sense.

    It's also unclear how many of these machines would actually be used for paper ballots, as there are several different types and they are very specialized for what size and type of mail they sort. But the timing of this all is very suspect, and there should be serious investigations into this by congress why these decisions were made, and what data is driving these changes and why they're obfuscating the reasons for their actions. Because there's absolutely zero reason to trust these bastards so much as an inch.
    That's a fair point. And since we don't know how much potential ballot-labor is tied up tending the machines, or if they process any ballots, it's pure speculation to say if the raw ballot-processing manhours additional machines save would be significant. (Which is the argument I was going to offer until I mulled it over)

    However the sudden jump in decommissioned machines seems suspect even on a surface level. Given the previous two year reductions were considerably lower, and the annual decline in mail volume over the last three years has been fairly linear, around 4b pieces or 2-3%, it's hard to imagine they have any firm basis, given the present circumstances, from.which to project a permanent, substantial, deviation from that trend line with the certainty befitting a nigh irreversible decision.

    Mail stats: https://facts.usps.com/table-facts/

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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    Mayabird wrote: »

    "I have a brilliant idea! Let's make it cost more to ship packages during the Christmas season!"

  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    Mayabird wrote: »
    This time-limited adjustment will increase prices for our commercial customers in line with competitive practices without impacting customers at the retail level
    So you're saying Trump noticed the "doesn't hurt Amazon" part of the current priority guidelines.

  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    edited August 2020
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    The changes made so far were made under the auspices of efficiency and costcutting,but they're not the end of things. As we get closer to the election, there's going to be more and more changes, each less and less justifiable.

    So long as Trump wins, there will be no accountability for these actions, so as DeJoy goes further towards interfering with the election, the more he's incentivized to ensure that Trump wins to avoid facing punishment for his actions.

    Literally every other time they have cut the number of these machines, the drop in efficiency was several times larger than the savings.

    Do you have a source on that?

    I don't know with whom I'm apparently preparing to rigorously debate this, but I do not intend to give them an inch of latitude.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    The changes made so far were made under the auspices of efficiency and costcutting,but they're not the end of things. As we get closer to the election, there's going to be more and more changes, each less and less justifiable.

    So long as Trump wins, there will be no accountability for these actions, so as DeJoy goes further towards interfering with the election, the more he's incentivized to ensure that Trump wins to avoid facing punishment for his actions.

    Literally every other time they have cut the number of these machines, the drop in efficiency was several times larger than the savings.

    Do you have a source on that?

    I don't know with whom I'm apparently preparing to rogorously debate this, but I do not intend to give them an inch of latitude.

    One thing I have been thankful for on these forums is being equipped for the vast variety of bullshit that people try to level at me.

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    edited August 2020
    I'm not sure what effect removing the sorting machines would even have on ballots. A delay of a day or two because it takes longer to sort them isn't the end of democracy, while not delivering ballots at all to people at the ends of routes is Really Bad.

    Depending on the state, ballots need to be received (not shipped) by election day. A single day delay could easily disenfranchise a ton of people, and that's if DeJoy makes good on his promise to prioritize ballots. Which, given his previous promises that were broken or twisted, isn't something I'm going to put any trust in. Delays of multiple days, or even weeks, could happen and there isn't really much recourse to prevent it without the Republicans in the Senate being on board.
    Mayabird wrote: »

    This would actually be a good thing (well, a non-sinister thing) under different management, as it would at least bring in more revenue to keep the USPS afloat a little longer.

    Under DeJoy, it can be assumed it's just there to be a pain in the ass to anyone who wants to use the USPS and that it'll do nothing to stop the cuts.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2020
    I mean, no, because the price increase specifically isn’t affecting Amazon.

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  • TuminTumin Registered User regular
    edited August 2020
    I mean, no, because the price increase specifically isn’t affecting Amazon.

    Where is that info? It isnt in that press release, which says the increase is only for commercial. Is it hidden in "competitive package"?
    As a result of these changing market conditions, the Postal Service is planning a time-limited price increase on all commercial domestic competitive package volume from Oct. 18 until Dec. 27, 2020. Retail prices and international products will be unaffected.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    The changes made so far were made under the auspices of efficiency and costcutting,but they're not the end of things. As we get closer to the election, there's going to be more and more changes, each less and less justifiable.

    So long as Trump wins, there will be no accountability for these actions, so as DeJoy goes further towards interfering with the election, the more he's incentivized to ensure that Trump wins to avoid facing punishment for his actions.

    Literally every other time they have cut the number of these machines, the drop in efficiency was several times larger than the savings.

    Do you have a source on that?

    I don't know with whom I'm apparently preparing to rogorously debate this, but I do not intend to give them an inch of latitude.

    I am going to have to dig around but it was actually posted on the forums here. IIRC the numbers on the savings were like 4.8% and the reduction in efficiency was like 14.7%

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Tumin wrote: »
    I mean, no, because the price increase specifically isn’t affecting Amazon.

    Where is that info? It isnt in that press release, which says the increase is only for commercial. Is it hidden in "competitive package"?
    As a result of these changing market conditions, the Postal Service is planning a time-limited price increase on all commercial domestic competitive package volume from Oct. 18 until Dec. 27, 2020. Retail prices and international products will be unaffected.

    The part that says retail prices are unaffected.

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
  • ahavaahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    So

    how badly is incoming international mail being effected?

    I've got some stuff I want to send to my mom, but am I better off maybe trying DHL instead of the postal services?

  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    edited August 2020
    Tumin wrote: »
    I mean, no, because the price increase specifically isn’t affecting Amazon.

    Where is that info? It isnt in that press release, which says the increase is only for commercial. Is it hidden in "competitive package"?
    As a result of these changing market conditions, the Postal Service is planning a time-limited price increase on all commercial domestic competitive package volume from Oct. 18 until Dec. 27, 2020. Retail prices and international products will be unaffected.

    The part that says retail prices are unaffected.

    I think retail means USPS direct sales to individuals in this context:
    The planned prices, approved by the Governors of the Postal Service on August 6, would raise prices on its commercial domestic competitive parcels – Priority Mail Express, Priority Mail, First-Class Package Service, Parcel Select, and Parcel Return Service.

    This time-limited adjustment will increase prices for our commercial customers in line with competitive practices without impacting customers at the retail level. In doing this, the Postal Service is protecting the retail consumer during a vulnerable economic period while increasing prices on commercial volume during heightened volume levels.

    I could certainly be wrong, but mass mailing companies use bulk rates, not the higher end services listed, so I can't come up with a definition of 'commercial customer' that wouldn't include retail businesses and still generate substantial revenue off of those.

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  • UrsusUrsus Registered User regular
    So

    how badly is incoming international mail being effected?

    I've got some stuff I want to send to my mom, but am I better off maybe trying DHL instead of the postal services?

    My mum's latest care package took over 4 weeks. The normal is less than two.

  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    The changes made so far were made under the auspices of efficiency and costcutting,but they're not the end of things. As we get closer to the election, there's going to be more and more changes, each less and less justifiable.

    So long as Trump wins, there will be no accountability for these actions, so as DeJoy goes further towards interfering with the election, the more he's incentivized to ensure that Trump wins to avoid facing punishment for his actions.

    Literally every other time they have cut the number of these machines, the drop in efficiency was several times larger than the savings.

    Do you have a source on that?

    I don't know with whom I'm apparently preparing to rigorously debate this, but I do not intend to give them an inch of latitude.

    If you back up a page or two I posted an example from the seattle area. It's centered around closing offices but IIRC involved sorters too

  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    So

    how badly is incoming international mail being effected?

    I've got some stuff I want to send to my mom, but am I better off maybe trying DHL instead of the postal services?

    I mean, COVID and inclement weather have been affecting international shipping even before deliberate interference started.

  • zagdrobzagdrob Registered User regular
    The changes made so far were made under the auspices of efficiency and costcutting, but they're not the end of things. As we get closer to the election, there's going to be more and more changes, each less and less justifiable.

    So long as Trump wins, there will be no accountability for these actions, so as DeJoy goes further towards interfering with the election, the more he's incentivized to ensure that Trump wins to avoid facing punishment for his actions.

    Devils advocate.

    It no longer was cost effective / made sense to keep these boxes / machines in service.

    It should then be trivial to present the USPS policy and audit / evaluations showing these boxes/ machines no longer met the USPS guidelines to remain in place, and should be decommissioned along X timeline.

    I mean there are times to close / retire stuff or remove redundant or obsolete equipment. And the USPS is a government agency with a real bureaucracy so if it was done properly there are SOPs and documentation and audits / studies supporting how it was done.

    So let's see them.

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Tumin wrote: »
    I mean, no, because the price increase specifically isn’t affecting Amazon.

    Where is that info? It isnt in that press release, which says the increase is only for commercial. Is it hidden in "competitive package"?
    As a result of these changing market conditions, the Postal Service is planning a time-limited price increase on all commercial domestic competitive package volume from Oct. 18 until Dec. 27, 2020. Retail prices and international products will be unaffected.

    The part that says retail prices are unaffected.

    I think retail means USPS direct sales to individuals in this context:
    The planned prices, approved by the Governors of the Postal Service on August 6, would raise prices on its commercial domestic competitive parcels – Priority Mail Express, Priority Mail, First-Class Package Service, Parcel Select, and Parcel Return Service.

    This time-limited adjustment will increase prices for our commercial customers in line with competitive practices without impacting customers at the retail level. In doing this, the Postal Service is protecting the retail consumer during a vulnerable economic period while increasing prices on commercial volume during heightened volume levels.

    I could certainly be wrong, but mass mailing companies use bulk rates, not the higher end services listed, so I can't come up with a definition of 'commercial customer' that wouldn't include retail businesses and still generate substantial revenue off of those.

    I took it to mean “commercial” as in business to business and “retail” as in when an individual customer buys direct from a retailer.

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    edited August 2020
    As we often say on this forum, of the other side, it's always projection.
    I want to believe this is all paranoia. That we're freaking out about nothing. That there is no plan afoot to steal this election.
    I would love to spend the next two months feeling hopeful and confident, rather than helpless and afraid.
    But I can't. There's just too much at stake. :(

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