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    TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    edited August 2021
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Yeah, I actually didn't like the book, because the implication was that society wouldn't be immediately absolutely fucked. Also the ending was...

    Look, other people really liked Y.

    The ending was bad and too obvious, the epilogue kind of saved it a bit just with the little tidbits.

    actual character and series spoilers
    Beth 2 was so fucking great I wish she was in the series more, way better than Beth 1. And 355 was just a snore compared of the main three characters, the series succeeds in spite of her being a piece of wood.

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    Trajan45Trajan45 Registered User regular
    edited August 2021
    TheBigEasy wrote: »

    Wasn't there already an FX show called 'The Last Man'?

    EDIT: Ah, It was called 'the last man on earth'.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    I cannot imagine how they would do Ex Machina

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    Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    edited August 2021
    The series is based on two dumbass things: all the men in the world dying at once for some dumbass impossible reason, and the dumbass idea that women wouldn't almost immediately just pick up the pieces and put life back in order. Seeing as the overwhelming source of ongoing violence and warfare in the world would be gone and there are absolutely women who know how to do shit like run power plants, be doctors, and farm, most of the modern world wouldn't suffer that badly besides the obvious terrible trauma of losing so many loved ones. Shit, it would even finally be the end of idiotic crap like using fossil fuels since the coal and oil industries, which are overwhelming male and male-controlled, would evaporate overnight and most of the rich vultures who protect that shit would also die.

    But exploring a post-male modern world might actually be interesting, so I guess we got this YA-novel-grade stuff instead. Gee, I hope there's a cringy overabundance of women awkwardly obsessing over banging the last man alive like it's the only thing that matters.

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    BloodySlothBloodySloth Registered User regular
    I don't have any knowledge or investment in this property, but "all men die, here's what happens after" doesn't strike me as any more or less absurd than 90% of all other apocalypse narratives. Presumably it's just the setup; it doesn't really matter how it happens and likely won't have any bearing on the quality of the story. Hell, the entire ocean disappears in Mad Max and the impossibility of that happening doesn't stop Fury Road from being completely outstanding. And if half the human race dies overnight, yeah, I can imagine everything pretty immediately going to shit.

    I personally don't know if the show looks all that interesting to me, but it all seems to track for what it is.

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    Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    edited August 2021
    Something like the Mad Max franchise just leaves the specifics as to how the world ended up that way as nebulous, though, which is why it works. We know fuck-all about the politics or the overall breakdown of society or any of that, we just know that the world kinda blew up and then a bunch of the water disappeared. Even the original film is something like a generation after the bombs fall, so we never even see the "normal" for that world.

    And in the same vein, Waterworld was a total bomb despite being almost the exact same idea as the Mad Max setting, just flipped. Being post-apocalyptic isn't what matters, what matters is doing a good job of presenting it.

    And given current tech, the whole premise of that series just doesn't sail for me. They've got a while to figure out getting the human race reproducing again and unless the "disease" is something completely fucking stupid like a mummy's curse, they would absolutely be able to figure out how to get babies, and males, growing again. Except they're totally ignoring the part that would actually be interesting to explore (a world almost exclusively run by women) in favor of the tediously-dramatic YA novel stuff coupled with disaster porn.

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    kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    TheBigEasy wrote: »

    It immediately lost aaaaaaaall my interest with the implication that all the men dying means the instant collapse of civilization. Yeah, I'm sure there would be some rough patches, but I'm like... 99% sure that women would run the world just fine in reasonably short order, plus or minus a percentage point. If anything, I'd expect a lot the more moronic shit plaguing societies around the world would suddenly and "mysteriously" disappear as well.

    I also have zero interest in whatever convoluted bullshit they make up for how all the men everywhere manage to die at nearly the same time from a broad-dispersal bioweapon which, and I'm just guessing here, also somehow kills any male fetuses and/or renders women unable to have male children despite the fact that it would be absolutely impossible on a genetic level to make sure even 99% of the male population to be affected the same way without harming any women.

    EDIT: Not to mention the sheer laziness of a series relying on a pandemic as the horrific element, given events of the last year or so.

    Half of everyone dying would be catastrophic to civilization. The part that really irked me was looking at the women world leaders afterwards, and they were in like... "this is what moms wear, right?" clothes. And I'm like.... you know that there is formal women's wear, right? The president probably wouldn't be wearing a casual oversized sweatshirt in their meeting with their cabinet? It's like they couldn't even conceive of professional women.

    I'm probably judging it too harshly, but it irked me.

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    BloodySlothBloodySloth Registered User regular
    I don't wanna get mired in this discussion, but I do have to take a stand here!
    Even the original film is something like a generation after the bombs fall, so we never even see the "normal" for that world.

    The original Mad Max is absolutely pre-, or arguably mid-apocalypse. The nuclear war that happens in the franchise may not have happened until after even Mad Max 2, if you take Miller's word on it (this seems weird but does line up with the events of the third movie, with the plane and all).

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    Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    I don't wanna get mired in this discussion, but I do have to take a stand here!
    Even the original film is something like a generation after the bombs fall, so we never even see the "normal" for that world.

    The original Mad Max is absolutely pre-, or arguably mid-apocalypse. The nuclear war that happens in the franchise may not have happened until after even Mad Max 2, if you take Miller's word on it (this seems weird but does line up with the events of the third movie, with the plane and all).

    Ah, I stand corrected.

    I would figure it has to happen at least mid-apocalypse, otherwise the fact that the cop/criminal situation is just straight-up Twisted Metal doesn't make any sense. There's clearly some semblance of normal society still in place, people are mostly stuck with their local resources though.

    But otherwise, they'd just call in a bunch of cops and chase the gang down, no big deal.

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    GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    edited August 2021
    The series is based on two dumbass things: all the men in the world dying at once for some dumbass impossible reason, and the dumbass idea that women wouldn't almost immediately just pick up the pieces and put life back in order. Seeing as the overwhelming source of ongoing violence and warfare in the world would be gone and there are absolutely women who know how to do shit like run power plants, be doctors, and farm, most of the modern world wouldn't suffer that badly besides the obvious terrible trauma of losing so many loved ones. Shit, it would even finally be the end of idiotic crap like using fossil fuels since the coal and oil industries, which are overwhelming male and male-controlled, would evaporate overnight and most of the rich vultures who protect that shit would also die.

    But exploring a post-male modern world might actually be interesting, so I guess we got this YA-novel-grade stuff instead. Gee, I hope there's a cringy overabundance of women awkwardly obsessing over banging the last man alive like it's the only thing that matters.

    This seems... very dumb.

    The problem, besides the fact that women are plenty capable of enacting violence and warfare, is that time is a thing that exists. Women are entirely capable of running power plants and being doctors and farming. But people who are not capable of that today are also not capable of doing that tomorrow. So even if men only made up 40% of those professions shit would get amazingly bad amazingly fast if they all died within a week.
    kime wrote: »

    Half of everyone dying would be catastrophic to civilization. The part that really irked me was looking at the women world leaders afterwards, and they were in like... "this is what moms wear, right?" clothes. And I'm like.... you know that there is formal women's wear, right? The president probably wouldn't be wearing a casual oversized sweatshirt in their meeting with their cabinet? It's like they couldn't even conceive of professional women.

    I'm probably judging it too harshly, but it irked me.

    Might not be related to that. The new President, talking to the old one that dies, is wearing formal clothing in that scene. Though it does make sense to me that they would continue to be dressed well even in a crisis.

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    Handsome CostanzaHandsome Costanza Ask me about 8bitdo RIP Iwata-sanRegistered User regular
    edited August 2021
    Athenor wrote: »
    Nobeard wrote: »
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    ht.tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FmWuCgJmxo

    Aight I'm sold. The first one had some ineffable charm that just clicked with me and they look to be doubling down. I like Woody Harrelson. I like Carnage because he's one dimensional but in a good way, like the interesting story is how people react to and deal with a super powered psycho killer. Maaaaaybe I'm just feeling nostalgic because the Maximum Carnage comic arc gave us one of the better SNES side scrolling brawlers, though.

    Did anyone ever make it past stage 2 or 3 of that on the original hardware?

    I'm literally *playing it now, for the first time.

    *using an FPGA console though, not original hardware.

    Edit: no I haven't made it past stage 2

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    SleepSleep Registered User regular
    Goumindong wrote: »
    The series is based on two dumbass things: all the men in the world dying at once for some dumbass impossible reason, and the dumbass idea that women wouldn't almost immediately just pick up the pieces and put life back in order. Seeing as the overwhelming source of ongoing violence and warfare in the world would be gone and there are absolutely women who know how to do shit like run power plants, be doctors, and farm, most of the modern world wouldn't suffer that badly besides the obvious terrible trauma of losing so many loved ones. Shit, it would even finally be the end of idiotic crap like using fossil fuels since the coal and oil industries, which are overwhelming male and male-controlled, would evaporate overnight and most of the rich vultures who protect that shit would also die.

    But exploring a post-male modern world might actually be interesting, so I guess we got this YA-novel-grade stuff instead. Gee, I hope there's a cringy overabundance of women awkwardly obsessing over banging the last man alive like it's the only thing that matters.

    This seems... very dumb.

    The problem, besides the fact that women are plenty capable of enacting violence and warfare, is that time is a thing that exists. Women are entirely capable of running power plants and being doctors and farming. But people who are not capable of that today are also not capable of doing that tomorrow. So even if men only made up 40% of those professions shit would get amazingly bad amazingly fast if they all died within a week.
    kime wrote: »

    Half of everyone dying would be catastrophic to civilization. The part that really irked me was looking at the women world leaders afterwards, and they were in like... "this is what moms wear, right?" clothes. And I'm like.... you know that there is formal women's wear, right? The president probably wouldn't be wearing a casual oversized sweatshirt in their meeting with their cabinet? It's like they couldn't even conceive of professional women.

    I'm probably judging it too harshly, but it irked me.

    Might not be related to that. The new President, talking to the old one that dies, is wearing formal clothing in that scene. Though it does make sense to me that they would continue to be dressed well even in a crisis.

    It seems like the onset is particularly bloody and gruesome, it also seems like that scene is like immediate aftermath of the event, could be simple as needing to get out of the bloody clothes and only having gym clothes around for that at the time. You can see that some in the scene are dressed formal and others aren't.

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    CptHamiltonCptHamilton Registered User regular
    I'd just like to point out that if 50% of humans all died quite rapidly then, completely ignoring the psychological fallout or whether the remaining 50% had the skills and capacity to do all of the jobs, that's close to 4 billion corpses. The public health and logistics crisis of abruptly having to deal with some 516 billion pounds of rapidly decaying meat would be astounding. To say nothing of all the people who bled out and died at work, handily contaminating public water supplies, food processing facilities, pharmaceutical facilities, manufacturing equipment, etc.

    Stuff like The Leftovers' 10% of people vanishing or the MCU's 50% of people turning to dust would be pretty bad on global civilization but half the world turning into messy corpses basically all at once would absolutely be a potential apocalypse scenario completely outside women's ability to run the world.

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    M-VickersM-Vickers Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Yeah, I actually didn't like the book, because the implication was that society wouldn't be immediately absolutely fucked. Also the ending was...

    Look, other people really liked Y.

    I read Y twice, and still don't understand why all the men died.

    It was a fun read, with the monkey assistant being the best part

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    DecomposeyDecomposey Registered User regular
    edited August 2021
    In the comic it was just -men- dying ether, it was -males-. As in every single male mammal except Yorrick and his monkey, down to Y chromosome carrying sperm even. So that would definitely be an apocalypse scenario.

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    matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    M-Vickers wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Yeah, I actually didn't like the book, because the implication was that society wouldn't be immediately absolutely fucked. Also the ending was...

    Look, other people really liked Y.

    I read Y twice, and still don't understand why all the men died.

    It was a fun read, with the monkey assistant being the best part

    The author has said that sprinkled in the story is the actual reason, and it's possible to figure it out by reading. But they also wrote definitively in the movie script that never got produced which of the theories about the cause was the actual reason.

    Real spoiler:
    the Culper Ring developed a bio weapon designed to prevent women from having male children and released in China, but something went wrong and it killed males of any age.

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    Casual EddyCasual Eddy The Astral PlaneRegistered User regular
    TexiKen wrote: »
    You're seeing the first months after the plague happened. It actually addresses some stuff you're citing pretty immediately. If you don't want to watch go right ahead but there's more meat here than anything The Blandmaid's Fail or The Leftovers (moer leik "The Barely Touched Your Platers" a dab) attempted. And that's why it will probably be attacked by people on twitter, especially when they show the amazons being psychos. A world run by women is just as petty as a world run by men.

    eh? the leftovers was an excellent look into the fallout of 2% of the population disappearing

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    RedTideRedTide Registered User regular
    I'd just like to point out that if 50% of humans all died quite rapidly then, completely ignoring the psychological fallout or whether the remaining 50% had the skills and capacity to do all of the jobs, that's close to 4 billion corpses. The public health and logistics crisis of abruptly having to deal with some 516 billion pounds of rapidly decaying meat would be astounding. To say nothing of all the people who bled out and died at work, handily contaminating public water supplies, food processing facilities, pharmaceutical facilities, manufacturing equipment, etc.

    Stuff like The Leftovers' 10% of people vanishing or the MCU's 50% of people turning to dust would be pretty bad on global civilization but half the world turning into messy corpses basically all at once would absolutely be a potential apocalypse scenario completely outside women's ability to run the world.

    And the problems stemming from having a patriarchal society is that the thoughts "Women can do any job a man can do" and "Women don't do certain essential jobs in equal numbers are both disastrously true".

    It would take years in some realms and maybe decades in other critical aspects before you up get back to where you were the day before half the men died.

    Something like 90% of your truck drivers are men and I'd assume shipping and rail freight face similar or worse numbers. So now with half of the people gone your demand for food and goods is cut in half but you have 20% of the workforce necessary to meet those demands.

    There's a bunch of other lopsided shit (All emergency services - not just police, mechanics, farmers, road crews/all construction) that further complicate the ability to meet half the world's most basic need.

    Any remaining government would have to get both more draconian and egalitarian and the same time. Every teacher/person involved with childcare under the age of 40 is probably getting dragged out of the classroom and put into job retraining. In five to ten years you can probably send half of those 40-50 to the same. Because in five years with half the children left to educate and no more in the pipeline you're looking at rolling up the rug behind kids as they go through the years.

    The reality is that unless the world found a solution to perpetuating the human race in some way we probably dissolve entirely as a society within a decade

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    DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    There is also the societal/existential question of humanity being functionally extinct so what's the point of keeping the machinery running. You'd probably very quickly revert to a more agrarian model with people just maintaining existing system/tech.

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    CptHamiltonCptHamilton Registered User regular
    Doodmann wrote: »
    There is also the societal/existential question of humanity being functionally extinct so what's the point of keeping the machinery running. You'd probably very quickly revert to a more agrarian model with people just maintaining existing system/tech.

    If the world of 2020/2021 is anything to go by there'd probably be a substantial death cult dedicated to doing whatever the fuck they like in order to "Get back to normal" and you can take your job training, austerity measures, etc. and shove them up your ass.

    To be somewhat closer to the thread topic: once we are actually post-pandemic I'm really curious what post-pandemic apocalypse/pandemic/disaster/etc. movies are going to be like, now that we know a significant fraction of humans simply cannot be coerced into giving a shit about their fellow man. I doubt Y is going to address it since it's based on an existing narrative but as much as people joke about zombie movies of the future needing a bunch of people who try to hug the zombies to own the libs, I am genuinely curious how these types of stories will evolve in light of our shared experience.

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Doodmann wrote: »
    There is also the societal/existential question of humanity being functionally extinct so what's the point of keeping the machinery running. You'd probably very quickly revert to a more agrarian model with people just maintaining existing system/tech.

    If the world of 2020/2021 is anything to go by there'd probably be a substantial death cult dedicated to doing whatever the fuck they like in order to "Get back to normal" and you can take your job training, austerity measures, etc. and shove them up your ass.

    To be somewhat closer to the thread topic: once we are actually post-pandemic I'm really curious what post-pandemic apocalypse/pandemic/disaster/etc. movies are going to be like, now that we know a significant fraction of humans simply cannot be coerced into giving a shit about their fellow man. I doubt Y is going to address it since it's based on an existing narrative but as much as people joke about zombie movies of the future needing a bunch of people who try to hug the zombies to own the libs, I am genuinely curious how these types of stories will evolve in light of our shared experience.

    If anything zombie movies weren't cynical enough in how people would react to a deathly plague. Any future zombie film needs to have a cult of pro zombie crazies who endorsed the zombie as either a hoax or their right to ascension.

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    AlphaRomeroAlphaRomero Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Doodmann wrote: »
    There is also the societal/existential question of humanity being functionally extinct so what's the point of keeping the machinery running. You'd probably very quickly revert to a more agrarian model with people just maintaining existing system/tech.

    If the world of 2020/2021 is anything to go by there'd probably be a substantial death cult dedicated to doing whatever the fuck they like in order to "Get back to normal" and you can take your job training, austerity measures, etc. and shove them up your ass.

    To be somewhat closer to the thread topic: once we are actually post-pandemic I'm really curious what post-pandemic apocalypse/pandemic/disaster/etc. movies are going to be like, now that we know a significant fraction of humans simply cannot be coerced into giving a shit about their fellow man. I doubt Y is going to address it since it's based on an existing narrative but as much as people joke about zombie movies of the future needing a bunch of people who try to hug the zombies to own the libs, I am genuinely curious how these types of stories will evolve in light of our shared experience.

    If anything zombie movies weren't cynical enough in how people would react to a deathly plague. Any future zombie film needs to have a cult of pro zombie crazies who endorsed the zombie as either a hoax or their right to ascension.

    I think there are a good few instances in the early "of the Dead" films that show people taking it up as a religious sign, as well as the typical racism and looting and mob mentality.

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf0kDopD7iE

    This is going to be one of those movies where you watch it and know that absolutely no one who did evil shit paid any price for it.

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    AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    "Inspired" by a true story worries me.

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Well I believe its basically the Oxy story told with like "people on the ground" types like Keaton's old fashioned doctor.

    But like I said the real story is that the Sackler family never have paid for the crime they committed and at best the whole group got a slap on the wrist for the deaths they caused.

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    AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    Oh I'm aware of that part, and this is gonna make them out to be cartoon level supervillains... which I don't think is inaccurate, mind you.

    But I worry that people will use the "inspired" status to poke holes in it.

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    DiannaoChongDiannaoChong Registered User regular
    Athenor wrote: »
    "Inspired" by a true story worries me.

    The credits will still include the (para)phrase "the people and events in this film are fictional and do not represent anyone living or dead". Using that line with 'real' in it is a marketing jargon selling point, it actually means nothing. The Cohen brothers love using it as a gag for that reason in the fargo movie and tv show.

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVc8SI5CAKw

    Swear to god Eastwood is trying to do movies as a form of saying he's sorry. This trailer reads like "yeah I fucked up letting you know how hard right I am, but I'm still cool right?"

    Also christ Eastwood looks and sounds old. I mean he is, but damn be like Gene Hackman who retired and only recently emerged to show twitter he was alive.

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    NobeardNobeard North Carolina: Failed StateRegistered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVc8SI5CAKw

    Swear to god Eastwood is trying to do movies as a form of saying he's sorry. This trailer reads like "yeah I fucked up letting you know how hard right I am, but I'm still cool right?"

    Also christ Eastwood looks and sounds old. I mean he is, but damn be like Gene Hackman who retired and only recently emerged to show twitter he was alive.

    I find it frankly embarrassing. Genetics, life history, all that stuff can allow a man at, say, 60 to play a much younger part. But 91 and looking every bit that old? Fucking hell. I'd call the movie a boomer handjob but Eastwood is older than the boomers.

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    XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    What's the problem exactly? I don't see him beating up guys 100 pounds heavier than him or climbing fences or something.

    Not that I care about the movie, but 'He's old!' when there are far far worse castings going on everyday seems a weird hill.

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    What's the problem exactly? I don't see him beating up guys 100 pounds heavier than him or climbing fences or something.

    Not that I care about the movie, but 'He's old!' when there are far far worse castings going on everyday seems a weird hill.

    There are younger old men who could have done this roll, Eastwood sucks up the oxygen in the room when he should be relaxing at home like again Gene Hackman who is younger but smarter.

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    amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Preach I fucking love you and you're a good friend but I'mma see it just because Dwight Yoakam is in it.

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Again with your love of Yoakam it mystifies me.

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    A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius It has been a doozy of a dayRegistered User regular
    You never danced in the streets of Bakersfield, Preach?

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    You never danced in the streets of Bakersfield, Preach?

    No, shit no, I believe you'd get your ass kicked for that.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    You never danced in the streets of Bakersfield, Preach?

    No, shit no, I believe you'd get your ass kicked for that.

    Sounds like someone has a case of the Mondays

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    KanaKana Registered User regular
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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Kana wrote: »
    Preacher only dances with the devil in the pale moonlight

    I always ask that of all my prey I just like the sound of it.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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    notyanotya Registered User regular
    Nicholas Cage created one really good movie (pig) and so now he's (apparently) obligated to do a few of these :

    https://youtu.be/qT7DeuUvAxc

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