The stones are the sources for everything in the universe, so it makes sense that some powers like magic would originate within them. But we're shown Wanda definitely had powers before hand, she just was powerleveled on XP by exposure to the stone.
Strange and his gang don't explicitly use the stones aside from the Eye which ended up being the Time Stone. They do however have a shitload of magical books that seem to contain dangerous magic, and one was missing from Wong's library...
If they’re going to go with 616
The Dakrhold was written by the Elder God Cthon, brother to Mother Earth, who was sealed away eventually as the newer gods of earth grew into their own power (I think he might have fled reality first, with the Darkhold as his ticket back once it was safe). And his entire thing is being the god of Chaos Magic.
And the place he was sealed was Mount Wundegore, where the Maximoff twins were born... and where a portion of his power basically flooded into Wanda.
Which if even a portion of it carries into the MCU, would explain why Wanda is so terrifying to Agatha as the Scarlett Witch
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But they knew what they were referencing with Quicksilver, and making it a fake out was a deliberate thing to do, otherwise they would have just cast Aaron Taylor-Johnson. They knew it would get speculation going.
Maybe. But it was pretty obvious by the end of episode 6 it was meant to be MCU Quicksilver. Anyone still holding the X-Pietro candle after that is on them.
No, it is not on anyone who thought it was quicksilver after any point in the show, they did nothing to explicitly say it was meant to be MCU quicksilver. They just should not have cast the xmen quicksilver in this. It was dumb and kind of mean, especially since we now have people basically making fun of fans who had at least the expectation that this would be the xmen quicksilver as if it was silly to expect it to actually be that quicksilver.
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Idk I liked it, it was a very WTF moment. Am I sad it wasn't X-Pietro, for sure. But I think I agree that them rushing into a half-assed universe merge would have felt bad.
I doooo hope Evan gets to stick around and be Quicksilver though
For me, the speculation was fun even if our speculations went a whole lot crazier than what actually happened. I don't feel betrayed for getting teased or whatever. It was fun.
Idk I liked it, it was a very WTF moment. Am I sad it wasn't X-Pietro, for sure. But I think I agree that them rushing into a half-assed universe merge would have felt bad.
I doooo hope Evan gets to stick around and be Quicksilver though
For sure, rushing into it would be bad. They just shouldn't have used Evan Peters. If they had used pretty much anyone else I would have been 100% fine with the reveal that it didn't amount to anything.
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- Peters Quicksilver eventually into MCU
- everyone keeps calling him Bohner
- Quicksilver gains his comics version massive chip on his shoulder.
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One theory about the multi-verse is that there's always a counterpart, although they may not (and often aren't) the same.
I bet Ralph was our version of -that- version of Quicksilver, only obviously not the original Quicksilver in this universe and I bet Multiverse of Madness is going to touch on this.
One theory about the multi-verse is that there's always a counterpart, although they may not (and often aren't) the same.
I bet Ralph was our version of -that- version of Quicksilver, only obviously not the original Quicksilver in this universe and I bet Multiverse of Madness is going to touch on this.
Yeah, my first thought was that. I had figured she simply borrowed vision and the kids from a neighboring universe. For the kids, that may still be the case.
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One theory about the multi-verse is that there's always a counterpart, although they may not (and often aren't) the same.
I bet Ralph was our version of -that- version of Quicksilver, only obviously not the original Quicksilver in this universe and I bet Multiverse of Madness is going to touch on this.
Yeah, my first thought was that. I had figured she simply borrowed vision and the kids from a neighboring universe. For the kids, that may still be the case.
Even if she didn't I bet there's a universe where they exist and Wanda probably died or something.
One theory about the multi-verse is that there's always a counterpart, although they may not (and often aren't) the same.
I bet Ralph was our version of -that- version of Quicksilver, only obviously not the original Quicksilver in this universe and I bet Multiverse of Madness is going to touch on this.
Yeah, my first thought was that. I had figured she simply borrowed vision and the kids from a neighboring universe. For the kids, that may still be the case.
Yeah, my read on the post-credits scene was that she was basically doing what Kingpin was trying to do in Spiderverse and pull the kids from another reality, but obviously this is just speculation based on what little we know of the next Doctor Strange.
It does, but I'll be less invested next time they do it. If there's some cliffhanger episode or crazy reveal in Falcon in a month, part of me will think it's probably just another meaningless thing, like X-Quicksilver was.
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@SniperGuy Are we going to just turn this into the Disney+ Marvel Shows Open Spoilers Thread?
I can't imagine falcon and winter soldier will be big on cliff hangers outside of like maybe a 24 style one of "oh no this guy betrayed the team what a bastard." Like if Sarah Clarke shows up I'm immediately putting a marker down on her being the mole!
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Sure, Falcon was just an example, and something like Loki is more likely to have those kind of surprises or mysteries. My point was just that if they keep doing those setups without paying them off, then they stop being interesting.
And to be clear, I’m talking about things like Pietro and they way they teased Monica’s engineer fried for three episodes. Those things were structured as teases in the show. It’s different than people wondering whether Agatha was working for someone else - that was just a possibility that people considered. It’s not like they showed a mysterious human shadow in Agatha’s house a few times, and then it turns out she just has a mannequin or something.
I don’t know if it was intentional or not, but the way it was written definitely set it up as something to be revealed. Monica could just as easily have said “I bet my friend Betty Whatshername could help with this”, and then there’s no mystery.
Like, say they did want to set up a cameo or whatever. Would they have had to change the scene we got?
All the red herrings were 100% intention. Down to the fact that the actresses hired for it have said as much!
MCU loves doing this stuff. Remember The Mandarin? They fucking got the toy lines to hide that one!
I mean sure they enjoy subverting expectations. Them doing a fakeout Mandarin does not mean the engineer friend was always meant to tease someone else. The actress likely just got bombarded with questions on social media and leaned into the "drama."
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All the red herrings were 100% intention. Down to the fact that the actresses hired for it have said as much!
MCU loves doing this stuff. Remember The Mandarin? They fucking got the toy lines to hide that one!
I mean sure they enjoy subverting expectations. Them doing a fakeout Mandarin does not mean the engineer friend was always meant to tease someone else. The actress likely just got bombarded with questions on social media and leaned into the "drama."
Actually it was the opposite, she was trying to tamp down expectations as the hype train rolled on.
Ah, that's Dottie. I thought you meant the actress who played the engineer character. The Dottie thing is potentially a misdirection I guess? I never really bought the line that she was significant. We're told as such by someone on screen... Perhaps Agnes? In any case with regards to the supposed engineer character, I think it's a case of people hearing something and wanting it to be something more than it is.
If anything this whole show is a lesson to people. We all like to speculate and it's fun to do so, but you can't really get mad when you guess wrong or hype yourself up for something that there's no real indication is happening.
I can understand being disappointed in the Pietro thing, I'm right there with most people. The rest is heavily subjective.
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The show contains only what it contains. If people are disappointed in their pet theory not coming true then that is their problem, not a problem with the show. I had loads of ideas myself, but I didn't make the show and nobody promised me a dang thing about making my theories true. I was rather pleased to not know how the show was going to end, actually.
Even with something like Pietro/Not Pietro, there was absolutely nothing to confirm he was a crossover thing or a mutant thing or anything, really. It could very well just have been something like how it used to be a common thing for scifi actors to guest star or join up with a different series, even multiple series. And I know people really really want mutants in the setting but until it happens, it isn't happening yet. Don't mess up your enjoyment of what we've got just because it wasn't exactly what you thought it should be.
Ah, that's Dottie. I thought you meant the actress who played the engineer character. The Dottie thing is potentially a misdirection I guess? I never really bought the line that she was significant. We're told as such by someone on screen... Perhaps Agnes? In any case with regards to the supposed engineer character, I think it's a case of people hearing something and wanting it to be something more than it is.
Yeah, Dottie was never important. She was just in one episode and the whole thing was just her having petty party power.
Ah, that's Dottie. I thought you meant the actress who played the engineer character. The Dottie thing is potentially a misdirection I guess? I never really bought the line that she was significant. We're told as such by someone on screen... Perhaps Agnes? In any case with regards to the supposed engineer character, I think it's a case of people hearing something and wanting it to be something more than it is.
Yeah, Dottie was never important. She was just in one episode and the whole thing was just her having petty party power.
Um excuse me she was in two episodes before the finale like zomg
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
The show contains only what it contains. If people are disappointed in their pet theory not coming true then that is their problem, not a problem with the show. I had loads of ideas myself, but I didn't make the show and nobody promised me a dang thing about making my theories true. I was rather pleased to not know how the show was going to end, actually.
Even with something like Pietro/Not Pietro, there was absolutely nothing to confirm he was a crossover thing or a mutant thing or anything, really. It could very well just have been something like how it used to be a common thing for scifi actors to guest star or join up with a different series, even multiple series. And I know people really really want mutants in the setting but until it happens, it isn't happening yet. Don't mess up your enjoyment of what we've got just because it wasn't exactly what you thought it should be.
If they weren't going to do something with xmen stuff they shouldn't have used Peter Evans. Plain as that. Just use some other random person not connected to the xmen franchise and have them be Pietro, problem solved. No one hoping it confirms an xmen teaser or anything even involving xmen.
The quicksilver stuff is only an issue because of the casting.
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I liked the finale. It ended pretty much the only way it could have, so nothing was unexpected. But it was just a nice watch. Wrapped everything up ok. A neat little contained story that has new people with superpowers coming out the other side.
That the show as a whole was really really weird for half the runtime makes it overall one of the best things the MCU has had.
Shit, it made me like Vision. That alone should get it an award.
The show contains only what it contains. If people are disappointed in their pet theory not coming true then that is their problem, not a problem with the show. I had loads of ideas myself, but I didn't make the show and nobody promised me a dang thing about making my theories true. I was rather pleased to not know how the show was going to end, actually.
Even with something like Pietro/Not Pietro, there was absolutely nothing to confirm he was a crossover thing or a mutant thing or anything, really. It could very well just have been something like how it used to be a common thing for scifi actors to guest star or join up with a different series, even multiple series. And I know people really really want mutants in the setting but until it happens, it isn't happening yet. Don't mess up your enjoyment of what we've got just because it wasn't exactly what you thought it should be.
If they weren't going to do something with xmen stuff they shouldn't have used Peter Evans. Plain as that. Just use some other random person not connected to the xmen franchise and have them be Pietro, problem solved. No one hoping it confirms an xmen teaser or anything even involving xmen.
The quicksilver stuff is only an issue because of the casting.
This is the one thing i'm mad about. It was a huge dick move. Felt like a mean-spirited prank, honestly.
The show contains only what it contains. If people are disappointed in their pet theory not coming true then that is their problem, not a problem with the show. I had loads of ideas myself, but I didn't make the show and nobody promised me a dang thing about making my theories true. I was rather pleased to not know how the show was going to end, actually.
Even with something like Pietro/Not Pietro, there was absolutely nothing to confirm he was a crossover thing or a mutant thing or anything, really. It could very well just have been something like how it used to be a common thing for scifi actors to guest star or join up with a different series, even multiple series. And I know people really really want mutants in the setting but until it happens, it isn't happening yet. Don't mess up your enjoyment of what we've got just because it wasn't exactly what you thought it should be.
If they weren't going to do something with xmen stuff they shouldn't have used Peter Evans. Plain as that. Just use some other random person not connected to the xmen franchise and have them be Pietro, problem solved. No one hoping it confirms an xmen teaser or anything even involving xmen.
The quicksilver stuff is only an issue because of the casting.
I don't think it's an issue per se. I said up thread it feels like a missed opportunity for it to not be X-Pietro or atleast set-up something like that. And we still don't know, it could be! I'm sincerely hoping it means at the very least we get more Evan Peters, and if we don't that's ok too, I'm glad he got to play the character one more time. They're allowed to have fun with the formula and tease a bit, and we're allowed to be sad if/when it turns out that's all it was.
Like, Deadpool 3 is confirmed happening and it's in the MCU. Between now and then, something's gotta give with the mutants. And you know he's gonna crack so many jokes on the universe hopping.
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Am I the only one that finds it really cringey when characters start talking about their "power"? It always sounds like it was written by an 8 year old to me.
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And the place he was sealed was Mount Wundegore, where the Maximoff twins were born... and where a portion of his power basically flooded into Wanda.
Which if even a portion of it carries into the MCU, would explain why Wanda is so terrifying to Agatha as the Scarlett Witch
No, it is not on anyone who thought it was quicksilver after any point in the show, they did nothing to explicitly say it was meant to be MCU quicksilver. They just should not have cast the xmen quicksilver in this. It was dumb and kind of mean, especially since we now have people basically making fun of fans who had at least the expectation that this would be the xmen quicksilver as if it was silly to expect it to actually be that quicksilver.
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I doooo hope Evan gets to stick around and be Quicksilver though
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For sure, rushing into it would be bad. They just shouldn't have used Evan Peters. If they had used pretty much anyone else I would have been 100% fine with the reveal that it didn't amount to anything.
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- Peters Quicksilver eventually into MCU
- everyone keeps calling him Bohner
- Quicksilver gains his comics version massive chip on his shoulder.
I bet Ralph was our version of -that- version of Quicksilver, only obviously not the original Quicksilver in this universe and I bet Multiverse of Madness is going to touch on this.
Yeah, my first thought was that. I had figured she simply borrowed vision and the kids from a neighboring universe. For the kids, that may still be the case.
Even if she didn't I bet there's a universe where they exist and Wanda probably died or something.
Yeah, my read on the post-credits scene was that she was basically doing what Kingpin was trying to do in Spiderverse and pull the kids from another reality, but obviously this is just speculation based on what little we know of the next Doctor Strange.
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And to be clear, I’m talking about things like Pietro and they way they teased Monica’s engineer fried for three episodes. Those things were structured as teases in the show. It’s different than people wondering whether Agatha was working for someone else - that was just a possibility that people considered. It’s not like they showed a mysterious human shadow in Agatha’s house a few times, and then it turns out she just has a mannequin or something.
Like, say they did want to set up a cameo or whatever. Would they have had to change the scene we got?
I was wondering about that and that seems to be a good idea if everyone's okay with it.
It's as a good idea as naming your sled "Rosebud".
MCU loves doing this stuff. Remember The Mandarin? They fucking got the toy lines to hide that one!
I mean sure they enjoy subverting expectations. Them doing a fakeout Mandarin does not mean the engineer friend was always meant to tease someone else. The actress likely just got bombarded with questions on social media and leaned into the "drama."
Actually it was the opposite, she was trying to tamp down expectations as the hype train rolled on.
I can understand being disappointed in the Pietro thing, I'm right there with most people. The rest is heavily subjective.
Even with something like Pietro/Not Pietro, there was absolutely nothing to confirm he was a crossover thing or a mutant thing or anything, really. It could very well just have been something like how it used to be a common thing for scifi actors to guest star or join up with a different series, even multiple series. And I know people really really want mutants in the setting but until it happens, it isn't happening yet. Don't mess up your enjoyment of what we've got just because it wasn't exactly what you thought it should be.
This already is the WandaVision thread. It isn't the MCU thread.
Um excuse me she was in two episodes before the finale like zomg
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Very much so, especially since she is studying the Darkhold, which drives most people evil.
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The MCU thread is specifically not open spoilers, though.
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If they weren't going to do something with xmen stuff they shouldn't have used Peter Evans. Plain as that. Just use some other random person not connected to the xmen franchise and have them be Pietro, problem solved. No one hoping it confirms an xmen teaser or anything even involving xmen.
The quicksilver stuff is only an issue because of the casting.
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That the show as a whole was really really weird for half the runtime makes it overall one of the best things the MCU has had.
Shit, it made me like Vision. That alone should get it an award.
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This is the one thing i'm mad about. It was a huge dick move. Felt like a mean-spirited prank, honestly.
I don't think it's an issue per se. I said up thread it feels like a missed opportunity for it to not be X-Pietro or atleast set-up something like that. And we still don't know, it could be! I'm sincerely hoping it means at the very least we get more Evan Peters, and if we don't that's ok too, I'm glad he got to play the character one more time. They're allowed to have fun with the formula and tease a bit, and we're allowed to be sad if/when it turns out that's all it was.
Like, Deadpool 3 is confirmed happening and it's in the MCU. Between now and then, something's gotta give with the mutants. And you know he's gonna crack so many jokes on the universe hopping.
I'd be ok either way. But by the time Falcon and Winter Soldier hits in two weeks, this thread will probably have hit page 100 anyway.
Fuck, two weeks? Uggggghhhhh...