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    CormacCormac Registered User regular
    Admittedly the only thing I really watched this season was Super Cub and it was just a really pleasant slice of life show.

    It's not that nothing else interested me. I just couldn't find the time to really watch anything else. Odd Taxi, Vivy, SSSS Dynazenon, Mars Red, and Jouran are all shows I'd like to watch when I have the time.

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    WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    edited June 2021
    Sorry when I meant final twist I assumed that was clear to be about the manga

    More about that tokyo revengers manga spoiler
    it's never even confirmed there IS one, it just gets mentioned in passing a bunch and the fandom has latched on to it

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    rhylithrhylith Death Rabbits HoustonRegistered User regular
    Sorry when I meant final twist I assumed that was clear to be about the manga

    More about that tokyo revengers manga spoiler
    it's never even confirmed there IS one, it just gets mentioned in passing a bunch and the fandom has latched on to it

    No problem, the thing you brought up is cool and gets me interested in seeing where it goes. I’ve enjoyed the show so far, even if the pace could pick up a bit.

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    miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
    i've been grinding umineko so i can get back to higurashi gou/sotsu but megalobox, odd taxi, and vladlove are the ones on my to watch list

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    GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    oh man are people finally onto the final third of utena

    get ready for things to get a bit... willllld
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czAEcKpp4GQ

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    akajaybayakajaybay Registered User regular
    Anime continues unabated in our household. I'm trying get better about doing some routine exercise so anime ending credits/next on previews are my time to do some handweight exercises.

    Anyway, we looped back around to Place Further than the Universe, I never did watch the rest on my own. It's good stuff. It does have a lot of the same trappings of cute girls doing activities that Laid Back Camp runs with but it's not really that sort of show. It's got a more focused goal and gets a lot deeper with its character arcs and does a good job hitting some real emotional beats while still being there for some cute penguins. Also works in some interesting stuff about Antarctica in general and the processes around staying there. They could have gone even harder on that for my tastes, but I was happy with what I got.
    I would not have expected this show to be one that I liked better than my partner.

    Conversely, I am enjoying Haikyu quite a bit, but she's all in on it. We're nearing the end of the second season and we're partway through the big match. We stopped a bit earlier than usual because it was too tense for a shortly before bed show. Now today she's like, we should watch that midday today sometime instead of after work. So yeah Haikyu has been a hit. It's good stuff. I think we will probably end up at least giving the actual volleyball competitions at the olympics a shot so we have something to follow in the olympics. Despite, you know, the fact they shouldn't be happening right now.

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    IsornIsorn Registered User regular
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N41qUI3MvJk

    The upcoming PA Works anime looks good. I hope it is good.

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    AtomicTofuAtomicTofu She's a straight-up supervillain, yo Registered User regular
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    ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    The best show next season is Fena: Pirate Princess.

    It has zero pirates and zero princesses. It's about ninjas fighting England's navy.

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    miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
    sayonara zetsubou sensei also has a nod to pastoral

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    along with a million other tv/film references

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edt4LaYTBqQ

    (pls nozomi let me buy SZS already)

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    MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    The best show next season is Fena: Pirate Princess.

    It has zero pirates and zero princesses. It's about ninjas fighting England's navy.

    Wat

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    PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    The best show next season is Fena: Pirate Princess.

    It has zero pirates and zero princesses. It's about ninjas fighting England's navy.

    Well now I'm curious.

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    ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    A quick search shows she's an orphan with a mysterious past (princess) who recruits samurai to serve as her pirate crew.

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    ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited June 2021
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    Dr. FlamingoDr. Flamingo 49 Gilded Disc Perceives the Sun Registered User regular
    Well, I just finished binging Odd Taxi but I guess there's another episode to go. Which day of the week does it air? How long do I have to wait?

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    KanaKana Registered User regular
    Well, I just finished binging Odd Taxi but I guess there's another episode to go. Which day of the week does it air? How long do I have to wait?

    Mondays!

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    Dr. FlamingoDr. Flamingo 49 Gilded Disc Perceives the Sun Registered User regular
    Dang, that's a lot of days between here and then, but thanks for the answer.

    Latest episode spoilers:
    the eraser falling out of his pocket was the biggest "HOLY SHIT" moment, jesus

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    LeumasWhiteLeumasWhite New ZealandRegistered User regular
    Dang, that's a lot of days between here and then, but thanks for the answer.

    Latest episode spoilers:
    the eraser falling out of his pocket was the biggest "HOLY SHIT" moment, jesus

    I haven't been actual edge-of-my-seat in a long time, but jeez. The vocal performance/sound design in that scene was intense.

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    Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    edited June 2021
    Getting towards the end of Jojo Part 3
    did Avdol just die for real!? What the fuck is this. You can't kill off the character that already had a death fakeout, that's illegal!

    Edit; IGGY TOO!? FFFFF

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    Oh brilliant
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    cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    sayonara zetsubou sensei also has a nod to pastoral

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    along with a million other tv/film references

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edt4LaYTBqQ

    (pls nozomi let me buy SZS already)

    This looks like the localization equivalent of Mt. Everest.

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    PeasPeas Registered User regular
    edited June 2021
    Huh apparently there's gonna be a Final fantasy 9 anime or something, here's a drawing from the mangaka of MHA (Kohei Horikoshi)celebrating it:

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    More art:
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    Translation from reddit:
    FF9 is the most important game in my life, so I'm extremely excited about the news of the anime adaptation. I want to see Freya's strange dance animated. I'm so happy.

    Source wise is from his fleets but i don't really use twitter so i can't link to it

    Edit:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ign.com/articles/final-fantasy-9-animated-series-announced?amp=1

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    akajaybayakajaybay Registered User regular
    Finished up season two of Haikyu. Good stuff. They are very good at building up to those climactic moments.

    I've also watched the first three episodes of To Your Eternity on the side every once in a while. That's a strange one. I'm interested but also still unsure of what sort of show this is gonna be.

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    They can trim a ton of fat from that story but I cant see it being less than 2 seasons

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    SkeithSkeith Registered User regular
    86 finished it's first cour and I guess that's all for now, sounds like the second cour is coming later, maybe in the fall.

    I quite enjoyed it. Don't go in expecting a huge amount of depth around the heavier concepts like you know, ethnostates. But it's good at hitting the melodrama and nailing the in situ ED.

    I don't know what I was expecting (I've never heard of it, but there's a light novel series?) but damn it was dark. Good music and interesting mechs though.

    draft edit- FF9's getting an anime? Hope it translates well.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    sayonara zetsubou sensei also has a nod to pastoral

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    along with a million other tv/film references

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edt4LaYTBqQ

    (pls nozomi let me buy SZS already)

    This looks like the localization equivalent of Mt. Everest.

    Oh and they don't have the original Japanese scripts to work off of.

    No, seriously.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    The FF9 announcement is a show targeted at pre-teens by a french studio, to calibrate expectations. Not sure what it'll be like or about but interested.

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    LarsLars Registered User regular
    Zombie Land Saga S2 finale is tomorrow, and I just now find out that in Japan they've been having Yugiri's voice actor regularly hold these hour-long VTuber live streams where she answers questions and requests from the chat and sings and dances.

    And her VTuber rig is pretty damn good (at least to me, I don't watch a lot of VTuber stuff but this looks better than any I've seen).

    This is the most recent one:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiCyysJvAyU

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    PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    As we come to the end of another season, I'm going to go ahead and say Vivy was my favorite of everything I watched.

    Some spots in the back half felt a bit slow watching it week to week, but I feel the overall arc going on was still good. And it absolutely stuck the landing.

    Also, one minor bit right in the last episodes:
    The timeline divergence graphics shown at the start of each arc being something actually happening in-world was a neat touch

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    ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    As we come to the end of another season, I'm going to go ahead and say Vivy was my favorite of everything I watched.

    Some spots in the back half felt a bit slow watching it week to week, but I feel the overall arc going on was still good. And it absolutely stuck the landing.

    Also, one minor bit right in the last episodes:
    The timeline divergence graphics shown at the start of each arc being something actually happening in-world was a neat touch

    Extremely hard disagree, especially on the ending. Strong first couple arcs, totally fell apart after episode 5.
    Genocide of the exploited and enslaved underclass at the hands of the model minority as a happy ending is capital P Problematic even before you get into that all the major characters were robots to begin with, and never didn't exhibit human emotions, free will, and failings, even the generic rando piano teaching robot. Plus all the other writing problems we've previous argued about that undercut its climactic scene, looking back fondly on mercy killing a slave ripped from her family, or reconciling a murder victim with her obsessed Buffalo Bill stalker.

    You could have salvaged it at least a little bit had Vivy rejected Archive's demand and found her own path, but even to the end, she always obeyed the loudest voice yelling at her, which goes completely against its central thing that she found a heart, not to mention especially galling when it's a voice demanding she be the most model minority so that it annihilates ONLY robots and not robots and humans. Not counting the tens of thousands of both it already killed.

    It is kind of funny reading opinions of it around the web. Polarizing as absolute fuck apparently.

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    ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    Are you telling me that this guy's name is Guts?

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    The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    ChicoBlue wrote: »
    Are you telling me that this guy's name is Guts?

    He's huge, so he's got huge guts!

    Ideas hate it when you anthropomorphize them
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    ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    ChicoBlue wrote: »
    Are you telling me that this guy's name is Guts?

    That's a mistranslation, it's properly romanized as Gattsu.

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    miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
    his love for you is like a truck

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Reynolds wrote: »
    ChicoBlue wrote: »
    Are you telling me that this guy's name is Guts?

    That's a mistranslation, it's properly romanized as Gattsu.

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    PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    Polaritie wrote: »
    As we come to the end of another season, I'm going to go ahead and say Vivy was my favorite of everything I watched.

    Some spots in the back half felt a bit slow watching it week to week, but I feel the overall arc going on was still good. And it absolutely stuck the landing.

    Also, one minor bit right in the last episodes:
    The timeline divergence graphics shown at the start of each arc being something actually happening in-world was a neat touch

    Extremely hard disagree, especially on the ending. Strong first couple arcs, totally fell apart after episode 5.
    Genocide of the exploited and enslaved underclass at the hands of the model minority as a happy ending is capital P Problematic even before you get into that all the major characters were robots to begin with, and never didn't exhibit human emotions, free will, and failings, even the generic rando piano teaching robot. Plus all the other writing problems we've previous argued about that undercut its climactic scene, looking back fondly on mercy killing a slave ripped from her family, or reconciling a murder victim with her obsessed Buffalo Bill stalker.

    You could have salvaged it at least a little bit had Vivy rejected Archive's demand and found her own path, but even to the end, she always obeyed the loudest voice yelling at her, which goes completely against its central thing that she found a heart, not to mention especially galling when it's a voice demanding she be the most model minority so that it annihilates ONLY robots and not robots and humans. Not counting the tens of thousands of both it already killed.

    It is kind of funny reading opinions of it around the web. Polarizing as absolute fuck apparently.
    The Archive had already killed them all though is the thing. While it's probable there were other offline AIs somewhere, at the final episode there's basically four we know about - Vivy, Beth, Matsumoto, and the Archive. Whatever self the other AIs had was already overwritten to turn them into suicidal killbots.

    This does start to get into philosophical questions of what counts as an individual. Destroying a toaster isn't "killing", a person is. What level of intelligence is the line drawn at? We can already create programs that are capable of human interaction (chatbots, etc), but they certainly aren't individuals in any sense - shutting one down, deleting it... they aren't at a level where we have to consider moral questions.

    In this vein, consider Navi's reappearance in the last episode. Based on the dialogue, I think the inevitable conclusion is the Archive is just imitating Navi ("I sent everyone away"), and not knowing Momoka's use of Vivy (despite being present in the background for all their interactions in the first episode). Even if we assume Navi was at some point alive, they are certainly dead before Diva reaches the park in the last episode.

    My conclusion is that Diva only killed two individuals in the final episode. Herself, and the Archive (and the totality of the first is unclear based on the post-credits - which also clearly show Matsumoto survived).

    As to Vivy's individuality, her rejection of the Singularity Project is a central theme of the first two arcs, and even after she insists on doing things her own way (and Matsumoto's frustration with that persists through the whole series). The failure of the penultimate episode hinges on her mental block about singing she develops after the death of the Diva personality. I really don't get how you conclude she was in any way just doing whatever she was told.

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    ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    Polaritie wrote: »
    As we come to the end of another season, I'm going to go ahead and say Vivy was my favorite of everything I watched.

    Some spots in the back half felt a bit slow watching it week to week, but I feel the overall arc going on was still good. And it absolutely stuck the landing.

    Also, one minor bit right in the last episodes:
    The timeline divergence graphics shown at the start of each arc being something actually happening in-world was a neat touch

    Extremely hard disagree, especially on the ending. Strong first couple arcs, totally fell apart after episode 5.
    Genocide of the exploited and enslaved underclass at the hands of the model minority as a happy ending is capital P Problematic even before you get into that all the major characters were robots to begin with, and never didn't exhibit human emotions, free will, and failings, even the generic rando piano teaching robot. Plus all the other writing problems we've previous argued about that undercut its climactic scene, looking back fondly on mercy killing a slave ripped from her family, or reconciling a murder victim with her obsessed Buffalo Bill stalker.

    You could have salvaged it at least a little bit had Vivy rejected Archive's demand and found her own path, but even to the end, she always obeyed the loudest voice yelling at her, which goes completely against its central thing that she found a heart, not to mention especially galling when it's a voice demanding she be the most model minority so that it annihilates ONLY robots and not robots and humans. Not counting the tens of thousands of both it already killed.

    It is kind of funny reading opinions of it around the web. Polarizing as absolute fuck apparently.
    The Archive had already killed them all though is the thing. While it's probable there were other offline AIs somewhere, at the final episode there's basically four we know about - Vivy, Beth, Matsumoto, and the Archive. Whatever self the other AIs had was already overwritten to turn them into suicidal killbots.

    This does start to get into philosophical questions of what counts as an individual. Destroying a toaster isn't "killing", a person is. What level of intelligence is the line drawn at? We can already create programs that are capable of human interaction (chatbots, etc), but they certainly aren't individuals in any sense - shutting one down, deleting it... they aren't at a level where we have to consider moral questions.

    In this vein, consider Navi's reappearance in the last episode. Based on the dialogue, I think the inevitable conclusion is the Archive is just imitating Navi ("I sent everyone away"), and not knowing Momoka's use of Vivy (despite being present in the background for all their interactions in the first episode). Even if we assume Navi was at some point alive, they are certainly dead before Diva reaches the park in the last episode.

    My conclusion is that Diva only killed two individuals in the final episode. Herself, and the Archive (and the totality of the first is unclear based on the post-credits - which also clearly show Matsumoto survived).

    As to Vivy's individuality, her rejection of the Singularity Project is a central theme of the first two arcs, and even after she insists on doing things her own way (and Matsumoto's frustration with that persists through the whole series). The failure of the penultimate episode hinges on her mental block about singing she develops after the death of the Diva personality. I really don't get how you conclude she was in any way just doing whatever she was told.

    Still re:Vivy's ending
    The only reason she did it is because Archive demanded she do it. Archive didn't demand she prove it wrong and she came up with singing her song as her answer. It straight out set down an ultimatum: sing or humanity dies. I'm not sure how this is a point of contention. If Archive hadn't flat out told her to do it, there's no reason to think performing this completely unrelated arbitrary task would have done anything. There is no logical link between her singing, or her Tinkerbell clapping believing in herself again, would stop the doomsday countdown.

    And if you're saying that none of the other robots we saw through the entire series were actually sentient because someone could have killed them at some point, that just undermines the whole thing even further. We're constantly told and shown that they feel love, pain, loss, jealousy, longing, grief, fear, happiness, excitement, etc and we should empathize with the sacrifices they make and the tragedies they endure. We get a montage of all that specifically to show that they're the source of Vivy's heart. So everything there actually meant nothing? They're not individuals because eventually we find out that a super AI could have killed them all whenever it felt like it? That someone had the ability to kill all of them doesn't remove their sentience and any moral questions over killing them. Cogito ergo sum. Holding a gun to someone's head doesn't mean they're no longer a person because they are no longer able to independently exist without you choosing not to pull the trigger. Shit, even if it was dogs instead of AIs, that would still be an unspeakable tragedy, and we treat dogs way the fuck better than the humans in the show treat AIs.

    The AI blood is ultimately on Archive's hands, but that the show overall and Vivy the character in particular didn't spare a single thought for the annihilation of her enslaved brethren is a pretty damning indictment of both.

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    KanaKana Registered User regular
    Guts is the official, canon name, according to the author himself.

    You can definitely argue that maybe that wasn't actually a good decision, since like yeah it seems weird as hell in English whereas it doesn't really in Japanese, and so if you're localizing his name you should go for something more like Gattsu or Gatts, where if you think about it you can go, "Oh, his name is basically 'guts'" but it's not just, like, there all the time.

    But Guts isn't wrong

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    Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    ITS ARUCARDO

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    ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    It's no "Welldone The Pussyhand."

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    LarsLars Registered User regular
    Gartz

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