Pretty strong selection. Spider-Verse should get it, but I'm betting they go for The Boy and the Heron instead. (I thought it was lush and beautiful and transporting and didn't make a lick of sense)
Pretty strong selection. Spider-Verse should get it, but I'm betting they go for The Boy and the Heron instead. (I thought it was lush and beautiful and transporting and didn't make a lick of sense)
I stan for Nimona, myself - the film was amazing, and that's before the metric ton of Chapek's gooseshit they dealt with to make it. But I agree that The Boy and the Heron is the frontrunner (and I would not be surprised if Miyazaki gets the Lifetime Achievement Oscar as well.)
Pretty strong selection. Spider-Verse should get it, but I'm betting they go for The Boy and the Heron instead. (I thought it was lush and beautiful and transporting and didn't make a lick of sense)
Spiderman was half of a movie in a very frustrating way so I would much rather something else win, even though it was beautiful and imressive in every technical way.
Pretty strong selection. Spider-Verse should get it, but I'm betting they go for The Boy and the Heron instead. (I thought it was lush and beautiful and transporting and didn't make a lick of sense)
Spiderman was half of a movie in a very frustrating way so I would much rather something else win, even though it was beautiful and imressive in every technical way.
After having just watched it, I mostly agree with this statement as far as the overall story goes, but Miles does go through a complete arc in this movie if you just want to consider that the main story of this film. He comes to terms with himself and what it means to follow what he wants.
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Miles completes a character arc but there is also Gwen in there (who has some resolution but I don't think is done), Miguel in there (definitely not done), Spider-Dad and the gang, the Spot, and of course the actual narrative arc to resolve.
It's like if Return of the Jedi were to cut off right after Luke throws away his lightsaber and refuses to kill his father. Yes, Luke has completed his narrative about becoming a full-on Jedi, buuuut the rest of the universe still has shit going down. Though there is presumably 90-120 minutes of material left for the next film as opposed to the the 10-15 minutes RotJ had left at that point.
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Why would you compare the second movie in a trilogy to the third in another?
Miles completes a character arc but there is also Gwen in there (who has some resolution but I don't think is done), Miguel in there (definitely not done), Spider-Dad and the gang, the Spot, and of course the actual narrative arc to resolve.
It's like if Return of the Jedi were to cut off right after Luke throws away his lightsaber and refuses to kill his father. Yes, Luke has completed his narrative about becoming a full-on Jedi, buuuut the rest of the universe still has shit going down. Though there is presumably 90-120 minutes of material left for the next film as opposed to the the 10-15 minutes RotJ had left at that point.
Yeah I totally agree with this. I just wanted to point out at least 1 character got a full arc. It didn't actually lead to anything since the movie ended immediately after that but still. Gwen didn't complete her arc but came close. Again, right before the movie ended though.
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People - including me - would complain no matter where they cut it, but wonder if it would have been a better moment by ending
the moment Miles transports away? Maybe after Spider Gwen shows up in NY?
Also, on the smaller screen, I finished the third and final season of Hilda. That was a delightful series! Not as notable as the Owl House or as revolutionary as Dead End Paranormal Park, but just charming and able to get emotional more often than you'd think.
You know what? Nanowrimo's cancelled on account of the world is stupid.
Why would you compare the second movie in a trilogy to the third in another?
I honestly don't get this complaint. Do people call Empire Strikes Back half a movie?
The point is that if you have any sort of media with an intended followup, it's going to leave plot arcs unfinished to set up for the followup. They're doing different things, and thus work differently.
I miss the original voice cast and trajectory but still seems fun.
The original voice cast for the pilot released this on the same day as the series released on Amazon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCTbmFrB4nA
Nice for them to get one final go at the characters.
Keith David is in a lot of things, mostly because he will do a lot of things: acting, voice-acting in cartoons and video games, narrating documentaries etc. I haven't seen any significant increase in the work he's getting, but I think more people are noticing him now.
Keith David is in a lot of things, mostly because he will do a lot of things: acting, voice-acting in cartoons and video games, narrating documentaries etc. I haven't seen any significant increase in the work he's getting, but I think more people are noticing him now.
Dude likes to work, and he's good at it.
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Really want Keith David to repise his role as L. Thompson Lincoln.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
I originally expected the twist on the whole angel stuff to be that Alastor or someone wanted to kill/usurp Lucifer, not angels in general, and was possibly even working with them, but I dunno. His whole deal was weird to me, as was Alastor being jealous about it. He's neglectful and distracted, but loves her and wants to do everything for her and they just... never connected until now because, why? He was too busy with his ducks? I don't think I really understand what they were going for there.
I guess Vaggie being a fallen angel does answer some questions about why SHE isn't the one being used to show that redemption is possible, though I have no idea why anybody would be surprised that she killed a bunch of demons or care. Isn't that... all of them? Isn't Charlie technically an angel too?
I also expected the heaven they visited to be a facade, more akin to the bitchy smug angels of Helluva Boss, but instead we're getting apparently Parental Issues: The Show, and heaven really is super duper perfect, aside from all the sadistic warmongering lunatics, and paranoid xenophobes, and the whole presentation of Angel Dust redeeming himself ends on the distraction of Vaggie and they just go with it. I dunno.
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I originally expected the twist on the whole angel stuff to be that Alastor or someone wanted to kill/usurp Lucifer, not angels in general, and was possibly even working with them, but I dunno. His whole deal was weird to me, as was Alastor being jealous about it. He's neglectful and distracted, but loves her and wants to do everything for her and they just... never connected until now because, why? He was too busy with his ducks? I don't think I really understand what they were going for there.
I guess Vaggie being a fallen angel does answer some questions about why SHE isn't the one being used to show that redemption is possible, though I have no idea why anybody would be surprised that she killed a bunch of demons or care. Isn't that... all of them? Isn't Charlie technically an angel too?
I also expected the heaven they visited to be a facade, more akin to the bitchy smug angels of Helluva Boss, but instead we're getting apparently Parental Issues: The Show, and heaven really is super duper perfect, aside from all the sadistic warmongering lunatics, and paranoid xenophobes, and the whole presentation of Angel Dust redeeming himself ends on the distraction of Vaggie and they just go with it. I dunno.
They do seem to be speed-running character arcs - this is one that probably could've used a bit more time to cook.
The overall impression I got, from this and all the prior mentions of Lucifer is that he became disallusioned with his big dreams after the Fall and doesn't really like Hell or its inhabitants, which put a strain on his marriage and kept him from supporting his daughter, leading to them being estranged.
Part of it seems to be that Charlie blames him for his role in the exterminations and didn't reach out to him, likely because he isn't supportive of her dreams. He convinced himself they couldn't work and would only get her hurt so he couldn't bring himself to support them. It does seem inconsistent on her part though, since she claims he doesn't want to see her but also she never calls him while he's the one who's reached out in the past. She did kind've make a relationship with her conditional on him backing her passion project.
And the Alastor stuff just seemed like him fucking with Lucifer. Because Alastor's an asshole.
I'd wager he was mostly just fucking with Lucifer because Alaster likes to troll people; especially,those that are in a position of power it seems. Granted, depending on other things, it might have been more than just simple trolling. I can't help be think he has some sort of deal with Lilith and this has resulted in him having an interest in Charlie's project. Hell, he might even have a personal interest in it behind whatever deal he might have now. So pushing Lucifer's buttons could be a way to subtle prod him into doing stuff that might be beneficial to Charlie's goals, which ends up lining up with Alaster's interests. Alaster clearly wants to keep his intentions hidden and it's a bit of question of whether or not he has ill will.
I do like one theory I've seen floated around that Alaster could have had a deal with Lilith before he died. It would explain why he appeared out of thin air to upend everything in hell so quickly. Would also explain why he left time around the the same time that Charlie last talked to her mother. Also could be a very incorrect theory.
I'd argue the most interesting aspect, is how Alastor and Vox compare. From what I've seen, their friction points are more than just one being radio and the other being TV.
-Vox seeks to expand his influence and is willing to recruit others for it, while sharing some of his power. Alastor on the other hand seems content with the power he has and isn't inclined to share it.
-Alastor seems to have a disdain for new technologies and innovations, while Vox openly embraces them. I will say though, that this adds some irony to the fact that Alastor upended the status quo in hell when he first showed up and that he seems to have a bend towards fucking with status quo setups.
-In the power expansion vein of things when it comes to getting lackeys. Vox seems willing to grab any old soul that is offered up, no guarantee that soul gets any benefits. Alaster seems more discerning when it comes to picking up lackeys. Given that he isn't power hungry, there is a reason for why he picked up Husk and Nifty. He didn't grab them or any other souls he might possible own for simple power, he picked them up because he either deemed them to be entertaining or having skills that would make them useful for whatever ends he is striving for.
Honestly, wouldn't mind seeing more exploration of both Vox and Alastor's characters to see how much of that ends up panning out because they do make for excellent foils of one another; especially, if most of the above pans out.
Though really, both Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel, have done a great job at character building. The characters tend to be very interesting and dynamic and each character does feel like they add to the plot and/or world, rather than just being something thrown in to just to be filler. Hell, the songs for the most part seem like they have some real plot purposes, unlike say many Disney songs, that exist to be filler.
I do think Hazbin will end up being the weaker of the two because Amazon is clearly putting on some constraints that end up being detrimental to it. Thus far, it still feels solid, even though it does feel a bit rushed as well.
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Got to finally see Rick and Morty season 7 and a couple notable things stick out for me.
One is that I'd completely forgotten about the voice change stuff and, even coming into Season 7 immediately after watching Season 6 episodes, I literally didn't even notice a change in voices. It all sounded completely fine to me, so I think they've done a great job there. If anybody thinks it's a bad switch, they must like picking might fine nits.
Second, I remember a bunch of responses to the S7 episodes and I swear, lots of people seem to just want to complain about stuff, particularly this show. I enjoyed the whole season beginning to end and it didn't even have any major stinkers this time. And you know what? Even if it did have a stinker or two, I wouldn't give a shit. This show goes pretty far out there in writing and if some of it doesn't land, oh well, I'm much happier that they try than dial it back to be safe. I particularly like that sometimes they outright ignore that "important stuff" is going on just run off on a random-ass adventure without bogging it down with arcs or any of that. I don't really give a damn if Rick ever turns into an actually decent person, I'm too busy enjoying things like absurd mutant kidnapping organizations which have nothing to do with the starting elements of the episode.
I'd wager he was mostly just fucking with Lucifer because Alaster likes to troll people; especially,those that are in a position of power it seems. Granted, depending on other things, it might have been more than just simple trolling. I can't help be think he has some sort of deal with Lilith and this has resulted in him having an interest in Charlie's project. Hell, he might even have a personal interest in it behind whatever deal he might have now. So pushing Lucifer's buttons could be a way to subtle prod him into doing stuff that might be beneficial to Charlie's goals, which ends up lining up with Alaster's interests. Alaster clearly wants to keep his intentions hidden and it's a bit of question of whether or not he has ill will.
I do like one theory I've seen floated around that Alaster could have had a deal with Lilith before he died. It would explain why he appeared out of thin air to upend everything in hell so quickly. Would also explain why he left time around the the same time that Charlie last talked to her mother. Also could be a very incorrect theory.
I'd argue the most interesting aspect, is how Alastor and Vox compare. From what I've seen, their friction points are more than just one being radio and the other being TV.
-Vox seeks to expand his influence and is willing to recruit others for it, while sharing some of his power. Alastor on the other hand seems content with the power he has and isn't inclined to share it.
-Alastor seems to have a disdain for new technologies and innovations, while Vox openly embraces them. I will say though, that this adds some irony to the fact that Alastor upended the status quo in hell when he first showed up and that he seems to have a bend towards fucking with status quo setups.
-In the power expansion vein of things when it comes to getting lackeys. Vox seems willing to grab any old soul that is offered up, no guarantee that soul gets any benefits. Alaster seems more discerning when it comes to picking up lackeys. Given that he isn't power hungry, there is a reason for why he picked up Husk and Nifty. He didn't grab them or any other souls he might possible own for simple power, he picked them up because he either deemed them to be entertaining or having skills that would make them useful for whatever ends he is striving for.
Honestly, wouldn't mind seeing more exploration of both Vox and Alastor's characters to see how much of that ends up panning out because they do make for excellent foils of one another; especially, if most of the above pans out.
Though really, both Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel, have done a great job at character building. The characters tend to be very interesting and dynamic and each character does feel like they add to the plot and/or world, rather than just being something thrown in to just to be filler. Hell, the songs for the most part seem like they have some real plot purposes, unlike say many Disney songs, that exist to be filler.
I do think Hazbin will end up being the weaker of the two because Amazon is clearly putting on some constraints that end up being detrimental to it. Thus far, it still feels solid, even though it does feel a bit rushed as well.
How much do Boss and Hotel feel like they are in the same Hell? We've not got around to watching Hotel outside of the pilot eons ago, but Boss feels quite contained amongst the Imps and the nobility whilst it seems the stuff I've heard from Hotel is leaning so much more towards the damned souls and fallen angels that it kind of feels they've both got their own things going on.
I'd agree with that assessment, it does feel like both are focusing on two very different aspects in regards to hell. I don't think this is a bad thing because from a world building perspective, there should be plenty to explore in that worlds hell, that one could easily get more than two series that never really intersect on the things they are exploring.
Will be interesting to see if there is any crossover between the two. At some point the hellborn and the sinners are going to have intersecting interests and I highly doubt that the angels distinguish between sinners and hellborne during the purges. Though if the purges stay within the pride ring, I guess the hell born have the option to got to one of the other rings. My understanding from the lore I've seen, is that the sinners aren't allowed to enter any of the other rings.
I'd agree with that assessment, it does feel like both are focusing on two very different aspects in regards to hell. I don't think this is a bad thing because from a world building perspective, there should be plenty to explore in that worlds hell, that one could easily get more than two series that never really intersect on the things they are exploring.
Will be interesting to see if there is any crossover between the two. At some point the hellborn and the sinners are going to have intersecting interests and I highly doubt that the angels distinguish between sinners and hellborne during the purges. Though if the purges stay within the pride ring, I guess the hell born have the option to got to one of the other rings. My understanding from the lore I've seen, is that the sinners aren't allowed to enter any of the other rings.
Part of the deal that Lucifer made with Heaven was that the hellborn are exempt from purges since his main concern at that point seemed to be to protect Charlie above all else.
Besides, most hellborn are basically like mortals on Earth in that they grow old and die eventually so there is no reason to cull their population like the almost immortal sinners.
My understanding is that since Amazon is backing Hazbin Hotel while Helluva Boss is free on YouTube that legalese prohibits any crossover between the shows to the point that even the extermination are off-limits.
Concerning Alastor, forgive me if I'm wrong, but
wasn't him saying "fuck you" to Lucifer the first f-bomb he's dropped? He toys with Vox but seems to earnestly despise Lucifer. It's enough to make me think Lucifer is his prime target.
I'd wager he was mostly just fucking with Lucifer because Alaster likes to troll people; especially,those that are in a position of power it seems. Granted, depending on other things, it might have been more than just simple trolling. I can't help be think he has some sort of deal with Lilith and this has resulted in him having an interest in Charlie's project. Hell, he might even have a personal interest in it behind whatever deal he might have now. So pushing Lucifer's buttons could be a way to subtle prod him into doing stuff that might be beneficial to Charlie's goals, which ends up lining up with Alaster's interests. Alaster clearly wants to keep his intentions hidden and it's a bit of question of whether or not he has ill will.
I do like one theory I've seen floated around that Alaster could have had a deal with Lilith before he died. It would explain why he appeared out of thin air to upend everything in hell so quickly. Would also explain why he left time around the the same time that Charlie last talked to her mother. Also could be a very incorrect theory.
I'd argue the most interesting aspect, is how Alastor and Vox compare. From what I've seen, their friction points are more than just one being radio and the other being TV.
-Vox seeks to expand his influence and is willing to recruit others for it, while sharing some of his power. Alastor on the other hand seems content with the power he has and isn't inclined to share it.
-Alastor seems to have a disdain for new technologies and innovations, while Vox openly embraces them. I will say though, that this adds some irony to the fact that Alastor upended the status quo in hell when he first showed up and that he seems to have a bend towards fucking with status quo setups.
-In the power expansion vein of things when it comes to getting lackeys. Vox seems willing to grab any old soul that is offered up, no guarantee that soul gets any benefits. Alaster seems more discerning when it comes to picking up lackeys. Given that he isn't power hungry, there is a reason for why he picked up Husk and Nifty. He didn't grab them or any other souls he might possible own for simple power, he picked them up because he either deemed them to be entertaining or having skills that would make them useful for whatever ends he is striving for.
Honestly, wouldn't mind seeing more exploration of both Vox and Alastor's characters to see how much of that ends up panning out because they do make for excellent foils of one another; especially, if most of the above pans out.
Though really, both Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel, have done a great job at character building. The characters tend to be very interesting and dynamic and each character does feel like they add to the plot and/or world, rather than just being something thrown in to just to be filler. Hell, the songs for the most part seem like they have some real plot purposes, unlike say many Disney songs, that exist to be filler.
I do think Hazbin will end up being the weaker of the two because Amazon is clearly putting on some constraints that end up being detrimental to it. Thus far, it still feels solid, even though it does feel a bit rushed as well.
I poked around the wikis a bit, and there's Q&A from steams and stuff that mention a few things. It informs my take on Alastor's whole deal
It mentions that in life he was a serial killer who chose his victims carefully, and was likened to the MC of 'Dexter', a serial killer who targets other serial killers.
So I figure Alastor basically likes hurting terrible people, and since he believes everyone in Hell is terrible (it's Hell after all) he's spoiled for choice. Everyone's a target. He still seems to prioritize the especially awful, hence him targeting Overlords as the worst of the worst.
So still a horrible guy, but there may be a tiny kernal of moral motivation there, even if it's clearly skewed as the denizens of Hell aren't the irredeemable lot he claims them to be.
Incidentally, he died while burying the body of a victim in a deer-hunting range when a hunter mistook him for a deer. Hence why he has deer-like qualities (antlers, etc.), as the manner of a sinner's death can sometimes affect the form they obtain in hell.
Yeah, I suspect some of the appeal behind Charlie's plan for Alastor is that he is very much looking at what Heaven is doing and concluding that they really are no better than the denizens of hail. So he aiding Charlie, regardless of how that goes, as a means to thumb his nose at a group of powerful elites that abuse their power. He might even see Charlie as the best person to rally around and breaking the current dynamic between Heaven and Hell.
Also would not surprise me if he felt that Heaven was a god damn sham and agreed with the the idea that while some of the sinners are still losers, they likely don't deserve to be in Hell. They just ended up there because the people running Heaven are assholes that abuse their authority.
I do have to wonder if Adam is going to end up dead once again at some point in the series. He is an absolute asshole and I don't see any signs that he'll come to a realization that he is no better than many of the denizens of Hell. The only reason he isn't there is that the Heaven treats him like their favored first son that can do no wrong. So it's only a matter of time before he crosses someone in hell that is perfectly capable of killing him and not even realizing that his soul is in danger of being completely destroyed.
Husk is putting off some serious doomed mentor vibes. He longs to be free, he's tired, his peak is behind him, he has regrets, he's imparting wisdom, but has no interest in the future, and he has all kinds of mementos to leave behind. Solid chance he dies protecting Angel from Alistor's mask off moment.
It was interesting that in private with Mimzie Alastor told her that she was unwelcome in the hotel if she wasn't going to change her ways. For as much as be puts on a public persona of having no faith in the possibility of a sinner being redeemed "The chance given was the life they lived before, the punishment is this! There is no undoing what has been done." and his claims of the hotel just being a source of amusement in its failure, he has invested a lot of effort in renovating the hotel, called in favours to get it staffed, and expended considerable effort in defending it (even if he claims that's just because he likes showing off). With what he said to Mimzie, I think he might actually believe that redemption is possible.
As far as Hazbin and Helluva crossing over, the souls of sinners never go below the first ring of hell, while the imps travel mostly in the layers below it, plus of course as mentioned the legal nightmare of holding onto the rights of any characters if they show up in the Amazon owned series.
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It was interesting that in private with Mimzie Alastor told her that she was unwelcome in the hotel if she wasn't going to change her ways. For as much as be puts on a public persona of having no faith in the possibility of a sinner being redeemed "The chance given was the life they lived before, the punishment is this! There is no undoing what has been done." and his claims of the hotel just being a source of amusement in its failure, he has invested a lot of effort in renovating the hotel, called in favours to get it staffed, and expended considerable effort in defending it (even if he claims that's just because he likes showing off). With what he said to Mimzie, I think he might actually believe that redemption is possible.
As far as Hazbin and Helluva crossing over, the souls of sinners never go below the first ring of hell, while the imps travel mostly in the layers below it, plus of course as mentioned the legal nightmare of holding onto the rights of any characters if they show up in the Amazon owned series.
If I were a gamblin' man...
I'd wager that Alastor's protective attitude is something he's been compelled to have by the person holding his leash, who I'd bet double or nothing is Lilith. They both disappeared at around the same time, and Alastor arrived at the hotel immediately after Charlie left her mom a voicemail wishing she had some help. I figure Lilith gave him an order like 'help and protect my daughter', so he's got to lend her his full support, even if he has no faith in her goal.
Hence him taking his duties seriously even if he personally thinks it's a waste of time. It would be consistent with him telling Mimzie she could stay if she genuinely wanted to try and change - whether a demon can and whether they want to are different things.
Lilith being his patron might also explain his uncommon power.
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I stan for Nimona, myself - the film was amazing, and that's before the metric ton of Chapek's gooseshit they dealt with to make it. But I agree that The Boy and the Heron is the frontrunner (and I would not be surprised if Miyazaki gets the Lifetime Achievement Oscar as well.)
Spiderman was half of a movie in a very frustrating way so I would much rather something else win, even though it was beautiful and imressive in every technical way.
After having just watched it, I mostly agree with this statement as far as the overall story goes, but Miles does go through a complete arc in this movie if you just want to consider that the main story of this film. He comes to terms with himself and what it means to follow what he wants.
It's like if Return of the Jedi were to cut off right after Luke throws away his lightsaber and refuses to kill his father. Yes, Luke has completed his narrative about becoming a full-on Jedi, buuuut the rest of the universe still has shit going down. Though there is presumably 90-120 minutes of material left for the next film as opposed to the the 10-15 minutes RotJ had left at that point.
The term "damned by faint praise" comes to mind…
Do remember that I have a distaste for the Academy Awards for quite petty and personal reasons, namely I had to live next door to them.
No, that is not a joke.
Yeah I totally agree with this. I just wanted to point out at least 1 character got a full arc. It didn't actually lead to anything since the movie ended immediately after that but still. Gwen didn't complete her arc but came close. Again, right before the movie ended though.
I honestly don't get this complaint. Do people call Empire Strikes Back half a movie?
The point is that if you have any sort of media with an intended followup, it's going to leave plot arcs unfinished to set up for the followup. They're doing different things, and thus work differently.
The original voice cast for the pilot released this on the same day as the series released on Amazon.
Nice for them to get one final go at the characters.
Keith David as Hordak
Shatner as Keldor
Hamill as Skeletor
And that's just scratching the surface of the stacked cast of this thing.
Man, his ass is everywhere.
I can’t think of anything else major he was prominent in recently before that and it seems like he’s been cast in so much over the last year.
And what a magnificent, bass voiced ass it is.
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Dude likes to work, and he's good at it.
Really want more Spectacular Spider-Man, period.
I guess Vaggie being a fallen angel does answer some questions about why SHE isn't the one being used to show that redemption is possible, though I have no idea why anybody would be surprised that she killed a bunch of demons or care. Isn't that... all of them? Isn't Charlie technically an angel too?
I also expected the heaven they visited to be a facade, more akin to the bitchy smug angels of Helluva Boss, but instead we're getting apparently Parental Issues: The Show, and heaven really is super duper perfect, aside from all the sadistic warmongering lunatics, and paranoid xenophobes, and the whole presentation of Angel Dust redeeming himself ends on the distraction of Vaggie and they just go with it. I dunno.
The overall impression I got, from this and all the prior mentions of Lucifer is that he became disallusioned with his big dreams after the Fall and doesn't really like Hell or its inhabitants, which put a strain on his marriage and kept him from supporting his daughter, leading to them being estranged.
Part of it seems to be that Charlie blames him for his role in the exterminations and didn't reach out to him, likely because he isn't supportive of her dreams. He convinced himself they couldn't work and would only get her hurt so he couldn't bring himself to support them. It does seem inconsistent on her part though, since she claims he doesn't want to see her but also she never calls him while he's the one who's reached out in the past. She did kind've make a relationship with her conditional on him backing her passion project.
And the Alastor stuff just seemed like him fucking with Lucifer. Because Alastor's an asshole.
I do like one theory I've seen floated around that Alaster could have had a deal with Lilith before he died. It would explain why he appeared out of thin air to upend everything in hell so quickly. Would also explain why he left time around the the same time that Charlie last talked to her mother. Also could be a very incorrect theory.
I'd argue the most interesting aspect, is how Alastor and Vox compare. From what I've seen, their friction points are more than just one being radio and the other being TV.
-Vox seeks to expand his influence and is willing to recruit others for it, while sharing some of his power. Alastor on the other hand seems content with the power he has and isn't inclined to share it.
-Alastor seems to have a disdain for new technologies and innovations, while Vox openly embraces them. I will say though, that this adds some irony to the fact that Alastor upended the status quo in hell when he first showed up and that he seems to have a bend towards fucking with status quo setups.
-In the power expansion vein of things when it comes to getting lackeys. Vox seems willing to grab any old soul that is offered up, no guarantee that soul gets any benefits. Alaster seems more discerning when it comes to picking up lackeys. Given that he isn't power hungry, there is a reason for why he picked up Husk and Nifty. He didn't grab them or any other souls he might possible own for simple power, he picked them up because he either deemed them to be entertaining or having skills that would make them useful for whatever ends he is striving for.
Honestly, wouldn't mind seeing more exploration of both Vox and Alastor's characters to see how much of that ends up panning out because they do make for excellent foils of one another; especially, if most of the above pans out.
Though really, both Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel, have done a great job at character building. The characters tend to be very interesting and dynamic and each character does feel like they add to the plot and/or world, rather than just being something thrown in to just to be filler. Hell, the songs for the most part seem like they have some real plot purposes, unlike say many Disney songs, that exist to be filler.
I do think Hazbin will end up being the weaker of the two because Amazon is clearly putting on some constraints that end up being detrimental to it. Thus far, it still feels solid, even though it does feel a bit rushed as well.
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He was also on the back half of Community, I assume him and Dan Harmon just like working together.
One is that I'd completely forgotten about the voice change stuff and, even coming into Season 7 immediately after watching Season 6 episodes, I literally didn't even notice a change in voices. It all sounded completely fine to me, so I think they've done a great job there. If anybody thinks it's a bad switch, they must like picking might fine nits.
Second, I remember a bunch of responses to the S7 episodes and I swear, lots of people seem to just want to complain about stuff, particularly this show. I enjoyed the whole season beginning to end and it didn't even have any major stinkers this time. And you know what? Even if it did have a stinker or two, I wouldn't give a shit. This show goes pretty far out there in writing and if some of it doesn't land, oh well, I'm much happier that they try than dial it back to be safe. I particularly like that sometimes they outright ignore that "important stuff" is going on just run off on a random-ass adventure without bogging it down with arcs or any of that. I don't really give a damn if Rick ever turns into an actually decent person, I'm too busy enjoying things like absurd mutant kidnapping organizations which have nothing to do with the starting elements of the episode.
How much do Boss and Hotel feel like they are in the same Hell? We've not got around to watching Hotel outside of the pilot eons ago, but Boss feels quite contained amongst the Imps and the nobility whilst it seems the stuff I've heard from Hotel is leaning so much more towards the damned souls and fallen angels that it kind of feels they've both got their own things going on.
Will be interesting to see if there is any crossover between the two. At some point the hellborn and the sinners are going to have intersecting interests and I highly doubt that the angels distinguish between sinners and hellborne during the purges. Though if the purges stay within the pride ring, I guess the hell born have the option to got to one of the other rings. My understanding from the lore I've seen, is that the sinners aren't allowed to enter any of the other rings.
battletag: Millin#1360
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Besides, most hellborn are basically like mortals on Earth in that they grow old and die eventually so there is no reason to cull their population like the almost immortal sinners.
Concerning Alastor, forgive me if I'm wrong, but
I poked around the wikis a bit, and there's Q&A from steams and stuff that mention a few things. It informs my take on Alastor's whole deal
So I figure Alastor basically likes hurting terrible people, and since he believes everyone in Hell is terrible (it's Hell after all) he's spoiled for choice. Everyone's a target. He still seems to prioritize the especially awful, hence him targeting Overlords as the worst of the worst.
So still a horrible guy, but there may be a tiny kernal of moral motivation there, even if it's clearly skewed as the denizens of Hell aren't the irredeemable lot he claims them to be.
Incidentally, he died while burying the body of a victim in a deer-hunting range when a hunter mistook him for a deer. Hence why he has deer-like qualities (antlers, etc.), as the manner of a sinner's death can sometimes affect the form they obtain in hell.
Also would not surprise me if he felt that Heaven was a god damn sham and agreed with the the idea that while some of the sinners are still losers, they likely don't deserve to be in Hell. They just ended up there because the people running Heaven are assholes that abuse their authority.
I do have to wonder if Adam is going to end up dead once again at some point in the series. He is an absolute asshole and I don't see any signs that he'll come to a realization that he is no better than many of the denizens of Hell. The only reason he isn't there is that the Heaven treats him like their favored first son that can do no wrong. So it's only a matter of time before he crosses someone in hell that is perfectly capable of killing him and not even realizing that his soul is in danger of being completely destroyed.
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As far as Hazbin and Helluva crossing over, the souls of sinners never go below the first ring of hell, while the imps travel mostly in the layers below it, plus of course as mentioned the legal nightmare of holding onto the rights of any characters if they show up in the Amazon owned series.
If I were a gamblin' man...
Hence him taking his duties seriously even if he personally thinks it's a waste of time. It would be consistent with him telling Mimzie she could stay if she genuinely wanted to try and change - whether a demon can and whether they want to are different things.
Lilith being his patron might also explain his uncommon power.
Helluva feels this way too. Probably due to how absurdly expensive animation is.