Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
I will now write a paper in APA format with extensive footnotes and an exhaustive reference list that proves, without a doubt, that Oreos are not delicious. If the 50 page dissertation doesn’t sway you, I will also have on hand a mural of all the competing cookie brands, each one connected with pieces of red string to denote relative deliciousness.
Anti-intellectualism isn't something which should be encouraged, IMO. What's wrong with a bunch of nerds examining as its intended? You don't have to agree with them but this isn't even bothering to respect others who have an opinion which isn't a hot take. Personally, I like it when people dissect something like the MCU with their education and curiosity. It's literally the least we can do as the audience.
However, it's telling how thin the opposition's arguments are when all it entails are insults and running away.
It's not anti-intellecutalism, it's anti-tedium.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
I will now write a paper in APA format with extensive footnotes and an exhaustive reference list that proves, without a doubt, that Oreos are not delicious. If the 50 page dissertation doesn’t sway you, I will also have on hand a mural of all the competing cookie brands, each one connected with pieces of red string to denote relative deliciousness.
Anti-intellectualism isn't something which should be encouraged, IMO. What's wrong with a bunch of nerds examining as its intended? You don't have to agree with them but this isn't even bothering to respect others who have an opinion which isn't a hot take. Personally, I like it when people dissect something like the MCU with their education and curiosity. It's literally the least we can do as the audience.
However, it's telling how thin the opposition's arguments are when all it entails are insults and running away.
…. I apologize for being snarky. It wasn’t funny and I should not have popped off. I won’t cop to being anti-intellectual because I don’t see the value in engaging with one person’s argument that has beaten a horse so severely to death that it’s been liquified. I love talking about the actual movies, but this isn’t talking about the movies, it’s talking about a cultural shorthand and the different ways people view that shorthand. I mean, I never knew there were other ways to interpret that cultural shorthand until reading this thread, but I like learning new things. I don’t think it’s anti-intellectual to suggest a point has been discussed to death and in unnecessarily and belabored detail.
Repetitive nature of the discussion. If I wanted to revisit this we could roll back to the last time ASM came up and read the same reheated takes.
Do whatever. Enjoy what you like. Don't be a dick about what you don't like. The end.
This isn't going in circles, some people went further in examining what Garfield wasn't cool riding skateboards and it quickly escalated into anti-intellectualism, insults and destroying the discussion from going on any deeper. And we're not the ones being dicks, we want an actual discussion others don't and will shame others into suppressing their opinions to get what they want.
I'm sorry but
. Yes, the other kids think that Rufio is cool, but they're also small children. You're literally modeling your idea of "coolness" based on the wish fulfillment fantasy of pre-pubescent child.
This is where I decided to dip out. Because I'm open to any hot take, be it actually a fresh one. Because these kinda discussions come up all the time with specific people and it always, always goes the same way.. it's happening right now actually.
It's not anti-intellectual to ask people to chill a bit. I don't need a 5 paragraph breakdown about why I'm wrong. There's something to be said for brevity. If you have such a good point to make, just make it once and move on.
These are movies made for kids, first and foremost. To sell toys. So we can all take a breath.
That's not "chilling out" that's shutting everything down for not agreeing with your opinion. Anti-intellectualism is about suppressing discussion about art through philosophy, education and politics, and the skateboard convention was veering into examining pop culture for an academic film theory perspective. But engaging what someone is saying is good, rather than running away as if they personally insulted you by not having a hot take. Brevity is not the end all of conversion and destroys interesting discussions of media. It's nerd media you'll get this from smart nerds on every property from Ghost Busters to The Simpsons.
True, except that's not everything they are. That's strictly surface detail, the creators of the MCU put tremendous amount off work in their tv shows and movies, they want people to appreciate every detail, as well as the fact media is compared to the real world (which its a reflection of) is incredibly common. Movies for kids are chock full of examples which deserve a thorough examination of what happens in them, the 80s and 90s have numerous movies which have problematic elements in them and concepts which should be discussed amongst fans. The Ghost Busters films, for instance.
It's ok not to partake in those discussions, but nobody should be shutting them down wholesale and its not about boredom, it was an incredibly hostile response which came out of nowhere from numerous people who weren't even in the discussion.
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AegeriTiny wee bacteriumsPlateau of LengRegistered Userregular
edited December 2021
I have loads of negative opinions on things and sometimes they’ve been very contrary to others. I have also seen a lot of threads go this way and so forth.
This skateboard discussion is entirely asinine. I would even describe it as being utterly without any merit whatsoever.
There are way bigger flaws with the Amazing Spider-Man movies than an incredibly bad take on skateboarding.
Dark Raven XLaugh hard, run fast,be kindRegistered Userregular
Aight I just rewatched both ASM movies to get ready for No Way Home, just in case, and yeah the skateboard is fine and cool and I actually do like Andrew Garfield as Peter, whoops!
The worst part was the weird fuckin' conspiracy plot that goes nowhere. Do y'all even remember that part? Like a solid 40 minutes across both movies in service of the big reveal that Peter got Spider powers cause his dad used his own DNA to make the magic spiders. Cut. All. Of. That. Out.
Holy shit. It's a coincidence, ya don't gotta explain shit! So much energy to explain why no one but Peter could get spider powers when such a pillar of Spider-Man's appeal is that anyone could be Spider-Man.
How about we just drop the subject? This horse is a bloody smear on the ground.
Why aren't you complaining to the people who kept bringing the subject up in the first place and insisted that it matters when I said it didn't?
Me : "We know Peter was intended to be portrayed as an outside because the director said so, the actor said so, and because of all of these scenes portraying him as an isolated loser."
Other people : "All of that is wrong, because the movie also shows that Peter has a skateboard, which is the universal symbol for being cool as fuck."
Me: "That's not supported by the movie, based on the actual movie. Also, I don't know where you're getting this idea of skateboards being a universal symbol of coolness."
Other people : "why are you talking about skateboards? Talking about skateboards is dumb."
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OrcaAlso known as EspressosaurusWrexRegistered Userregular
Repetitive nature of the discussion. If I wanted to revisit this we could roll back to the last time ASM came up and read the same reheated takes.
Do whatever. Enjoy what you like. Don't be a dick about what you don't like. The end.
This isn't going in circles, some people went further in examining what Garfield wasn't cool riding skateboards and it quickly escalated into anti-intellectualism, insults and destroying the discussion from going on any deeper. And we're not the ones being dicks, we want an actual discussion others don't and will shame others into suppressing their opinions to get what they want.
I'm sorry but
. Yes, the other kids think that Rufio is cool, but they're also small children. You're literally modeling your idea of "coolness" based on the wish fulfillment fantasy of pre-pubescent child.
This is where I decided to dip out. Because I'm open to any hot take, be it actually a fresh one. Because these kinda discussions come up all the time with specific people and it always, always goes the same way.. it's happening right now actually.
It's not anti-intellectual to ask people to chill a bit. I don't need a 5 paragraph breakdown about why I'm wrong. There's something to be said for brevity. If you have such a good point to make, just make it once and move on.
These are movies made for kids, first and foremost. To sell toys. So we can all take a breath.
If you actually care about rufio as an example and don't think that rufio really matters, then maybe don't bring him up as one?
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cj iwakuraThe Rhythm RegentBears The Name FreedomRegistered Userregular
ASM movies have a bunch of issues (Specially 2) but I don't think Garfield portrayal of Peter is one of them.
I get why people are attached to the nerdy, bullied aspect of Peter, but those aren't event that relevant to the character. He literally dates and marries a super model! A lot of the early Ditko stories actually has Peter being sorta of dick.
To me Garfield's Peter has the two most important qualities: A drive to do good, some selfishness, and (most importantly) empathy.
Aight I just rewatched both ASM movies to get ready for No Way Home, just in case, and yeah the skateboard is fine and cool and I actually do like Andrew Garfield as Peter, whoops!
The worst part was the weird fuckin' conspiracy plot that goes nowhere. Do y'all even remember that part? Like a solid 40 minutes across both movies in service of the big reveal that Peter got Spider powers cause his dad used his own DNA to make the magic spiders. Cut. All. Of. That. Out.
Holy shit. It's a coincidence, ya don't gotta explain shit! So much energy to explain why no one but Peter could get spider powers when such a pillar of Spider-Man's appeal is that anyone could be Spider-Man.
TASM had the unfortunate problem of trying to speed run a cinematic universe, where you have to explain why everyone is suddenly getting super powers. In the Ultimate comics, the catalyst is the arms race in recreating the super soldier serum. In the MCU, the main catalyst are the Infinity Stones. DC and the Raimi movies have no main catalyst, it's just a bunch of ideas slapped together. In TASM, the catalyst is Norman Osborn trying to find a way to cure his disease. That's not a coincidence, since his efforts recruit Richard and Peter gains powers in the process of digging into it. A coincidence is when Tobey's version of Peter has a deep personal connection to every supervillain he ever meets, who develop their superpowers for completely unrelated reasons.
The original comic origin story was great for it's time, when radiation was seen as a mysterious, unpredictable force by average Americans. It doesn't hold up as well in modern times, and we haven't found anything to replace it with. There are comic moments where Peter explains how he got his powers, and everyone else thinks he's lying because of how dumb it sounds. The Holland version simply bypasses this altogether. The Ultimate and Raimi versions rely on genetic engineering, but the whole point of engineering is that it's engineered and controlled. JMS and Spider-Verse rely on the more mythical idea of Spider-Totems, where Spider-People are chosen. For instance, Spider-Gwen comes from a world where Peter wasn't chosen, but it works out, because that version of Peter wouldn't have been worthy in the first place. The idea of "anyone could be Spider-Man" is similar to "anyone can cook" from "Ratatouille". Almost right, but not quite.
On top of that, you also have to deal with the fact that every version of Peter is a one-in-a-million super genius, and it's awful coincidental that the Spider would just happen to pick someone who's already gifted in other ways. The original comic and TASM deals with this because if Peter wasn't a genius, he wouldn't have shown up at the exhibit in the first place. The mythical versions explain this by saying that this was part of Peter's worthiness, and the non-geniuses like Miles were chosen for different reasons.
In terms of how it affects relatability, it's similar to Harry Potter or Luke Skywalker: The character might have been destined for greater things, but they didn't know that from the start. Suddenly learning that you have super powers because you come from Wizards or Jedi isn't much different that suddenly learning you have super powers because you were bit by a spider. Both things happen unexpectedly, and thus both things can technically happen to everyone. Of course, execution matters. For instance, Rey is a nobody who suddenly discovers she has Jedi powers. Does it actually matter if her parents were nobodies or the Emperor? Not really. But the execution is bad because audiences felt jerked around and mislead, and the same is probably true for TASM. But while Rey had an easy fix (Don't jerk people around!), there's not really an easy fix for TASM.
In summary, the idea of a spider transferring super powers to someone via spider-bite is always going to sound dumb, unless you use magic (And I count 1960s ideas of radiation as a form of magic).
I have loads of negative opinions on things and sometimes they’ve been very contrary to others. I have also seen a lot of threads go this way and so forth.
This skateboard discussion is entirely asinine. I would even describe it as being utterly without any merit whatsoever.
There are way bigger flaws with the Amazing Spider-Man movies than an incredibly bad take on skateboarding.
Let us move on to something more productive like how many days are in a week
I have loads of negative opinions on things and sometimes they’ve been very contrary to others. I have also seen a lot of threads go this way and so forth.
This skateboard discussion is entirely asinine. I would even describe it as being utterly without any merit whatsoever.
There are way bigger flaws with the Amazing Spider-Man movies than an incredibly bad take on skateboarding.
Let us move on to something more productive like how many days are in a week
I have loads of negative opinions on things and sometimes they’ve been very contrary to others. I have also seen a lot of threads go this way and so forth.
This skateboard discussion is entirely asinine. I would even describe it as being utterly without any merit whatsoever.
There are way bigger flaws with the Amazing Spider-Man movies than an incredibly bad take on skateboarding.
Let us move on to something more productive like how many days are in a week
Let's go old school , What shade of green is Gamora?, let's see if we can outright get the mention of a color banned again!
I have loads of negative opinions on things and sometimes they’ve been very contrary to others. I have also seen a lot of threads go this way and so forth.
This skateboard discussion is entirely asinine. I would even describe it as being utterly without any merit whatsoever.
There are way bigger flaws with the Amazing Spider-Man movies than an incredibly bad take on skateboarding.
Let us move on to something more productive like how many days are in a week
Let's go old school , What shade of green is Gamora?, let's see if we can outright get the mention of a color banned again!
I'll take "Things I'm Blissfully Unaware Of" for $1000, Alex
I have loads of negative opinions on things and sometimes they’ve been very contrary to others. I have also seen a lot of threads go this way and so forth.
This skateboard discussion is entirely asinine. I would even describe it as being utterly without any merit whatsoever.
There are way bigger flaws with the Amazing Spider-Man movies than an incredibly bad take on skateboarding.
Let us move on to something more productive like how many days are in a week
Let's go old school , What shade of green is Gamora?, let's see if we can outright get the mention of a color banned again!
In hexadecimal, highlights are #BDEE9C, dark tones #369F4D. I'd figure out the PMS colors, but I don't have my swatch book handy.
I have loads of negative opinions on things and sometimes they’ve been very contrary to others. I have also seen a lot of threads go this way and so forth.
This skateboard discussion is entirely asinine. I would even describe it as being utterly without any merit whatsoever.
There are way bigger flaws with the Amazing Spider-Man movies than an incredibly bad take on skateboarding.
Let us move on to something more productive like how many days are in a week
Let's go old school , What shade of green is Gamora?, let's see if we can outright get the mention of a color banned again!
I'll take "Things I'm Blissfully Unaware Of" for $1000, Alex
We had such a pedantic argument in Graphic Violence back in the day , that we got the word Green outright banned for months.
One of my first infractions was forgetting the ban and mentioning something about Green Goblin months after the argument
FencingsaxIt is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understandingGNU Terry PratchettRegistered Userregular
It was like the dress, but way, way dumber
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Warlock82Never pet a burning dogRegistered Userregular
edited December 2021
I saw Spider-man this weekend. It was pretty dang awesome.
100% best part was all the Spider-men shooting the shit with each other and fan-gasming over Tobey's organic webs and shit.. haha
I also very much enjoyed the Venom post-credits scene where he basically sat getting drunk the entire movie arguing about purple space aliens with pretty stones.
Edit: Also holy shit Andrew Garfield acted the hell out of that role.
If you haven't seen a movie in a while and you're thinking about going to theaters again, I highly recommend against seeing anything that requires 3D glasses if you're not used to wearing glasses already.
Glasses + mask = lots of fog.
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joshgotroDeviled EggThe Land of REAL CHILIRegistered Userregular
they didn't do the Spider-Man point bit. that's my note.
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Dark Raven XLaugh hard, run fast,be kindRegistered Userregular
I will now write a paper in APA format with extensive footnotes and an exhaustive reference list that proves, without a doubt, that Oreos are not delicious. If the 50 page dissertation doesn’t sway you, I will also have on hand a mural of all the competing cookie brands, each one connected with pieces of red string to denote relative deliciousness.
Anti-intellectualism isn't something which should be encouraged, IMO. What's wrong with a bunch of nerds examining as its intended? You don't have to agree with them but this isn't even bothering to respect others who have an opinion which isn't a hot take. Personally, I like it when people dissect something like the MCU with their education and curiosity. It's literally the least we can do as the audience.
However, it's telling how thin the opposition's arguments are when all it entails are insults and running away.
…. I apologize for being snarky. It wasn’t funny and I should not have popped off. I won’t cop to being anti-intellectual because I don’t see the value in engaging with one person’s argument that has beaten a horse so severely to death that it’s been liquified. I love talking about the actual movies, but this isn’t talking about the movies, it’s talking about a cultural shorthand and the different ways people view that shorthand. I mean, I never knew there were other ways to interpret that cultural shorthand until reading this thread, but I like learning new things. I don’t think it’s anti-intellectual to suggest a point has been discussed to death and in unnecessarily and belabored detail.
Yeah no that was actually very funny my dude, don't feel bad
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tzeentchlingDoctor of RocksOaklandRegistered Userregular
I'm just happy to see Baron Mordo again. Chiwetel Ejiofor is definitely one of my favorite actors so I'm very curious to see how Mordo has changed since we last saw him.
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Warlock82Never pet a burning dogRegistered Userregular
I'm just happy to see Baron Mordo again. Chiwetel Ejiofor is definitely one of my favorite actors so I'm very curious to see how Mordo has changed since we last saw him.
AbsoluteZeroThe new film by Quentin KoopantinoRegistered Userregular
I'm excited to see where Bruce Campbell pops up.
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surrealitychecklonely, but not unloveddreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered Userregular
the problem with chiwetel ejiofor is that his eyes are too expressive
he could play the devil but he would be in quiet mourning
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Ninja Snarl PMy helmet is my burden.Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered Userregular
Considering all the horrifying shit Wanda has been through with losing Vision, taking her on a trip through the multiverse where she can find living Visions may not play out that well.
Though I'm personally hoping that Wanda has come to terms with everything that happened and, when presented with the temptation, is able to overcome it readily instead of being a third-act twist that takes almost-victory and spins it all sideways.
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Dark Raven XLaugh hard, run fast,be kindRegistered Userregular
Considering all the horrifying shit Wanda has been through with losing Vision, taking her on a trip through the multiverse where she can find living Visions may not play out that well.
Though I'm personally hoping that Wanda has come to terms with everything that happened and, when presented with the temptation, is able to overcome it readily instead of being a third-act twist that takes almost-victory and spins it all sideways.
I will be shocked if she doesn't use it as an opportunity to get a vision and/or her kids and go full nutso evil.
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FencingsaxIt is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understandingGNU Terry PratchettRegistered Userregular
Considering all the horrifying shit Wanda has been through with losing Vision, taking her on a trip through the multiverse where she can find living Visions may not play out that well.
Though I'm personally hoping that Wanda has come to terms with everything that happened and, when presented with the temptation, is able to overcome it readily instead of being a third-act twist that takes almost-victory and spins it all sideways.
I will be shocked if she doesn't use it as an opportunity to get a vision and/or her kids and go full nutso evil.
She's already gone full nutso evil
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Ninja Snarl PMy helmet is my burden.Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered Userregular
Considering all the horrifying shit Wanda has been through with losing Vision, taking her on a trip through the multiverse where she can find living Visions may not play out that well.
Though I'm personally hoping that Wanda has come to terms with everything that happened and, when presented with the temptation, is able to overcome it readily instead of being a third-act twist that takes almost-victory and spins it all sideways.
I will be shocked if she doesn't use it as an opportunity to get a vision and/or her kids and go full nutso evil.
She was never evil in the first place, why would she go there now? A shady government organization intentionally goaded her into a psychotic break to try and get Vision resurrected and then tried to murder her to cover it up, and her big act of revenge was to disappear and work her own things out. And after all the events of WandaVision, she's at least come to terms with what happened even if she isn't necessarily okay with what happened.
Her going off the rails to snag a live Vision in a big "surprise" twist would be just about the most tedious tropey snorefest move they could do.
Well if it is Supreme Strange that they’re meeting up with.
Spoilers for What if?
Strange ended the series guarding the collapsed universe containing Ultron in Vision’s body and Killmonger battle of over the Infinity Stones. I doubt they’d make that important to the plot of the movie, needing to go catch up on the whole tie-in series to understand the events of the big cross over is definitely something I’d rather the MCU not pick up from comics.[\spoiler]
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Ninja Snarl PMy helmet is my burden.Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered Userregular
Yeah, I figure that's not the dark version of the character, but rather
a variant whose reality was destroyed by taking the same route Strange is currently on. And the dark version doesn't seem trapped there and our Strange could access it, so it can't really be the What If version as the Watcher personally sealed that reality off in order to save others.
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It's not anti-intellecutalism, it's anti-tedium.
…. I apologize for being snarky. It wasn’t funny and I should not have popped off. I won’t cop to being anti-intellectual because I don’t see the value in engaging with one person’s argument that has beaten a horse so severely to death that it’s been liquified. I love talking about the actual movies, but this isn’t talking about the movies, it’s talking about a cultural shorthand and the different ways people view that shorthand. I mean, I never knew there were other ways to interpret that cultural shorthand until reading this thread, but I like learning new things. I don’t think it’s anti-intellectual to suggest a point has been discussed to death and in unnecessarily and belabored detail.
That's not "chilling out" that's shutting everything down for not agreeing with your opinion. Anti-intellectualism is about suppressing discussion about art through philosophy, education and politics, and the skateboard convention was veering into examining pop culture for an academic film theory perspective. But engaging what someone is saying is good, rather than running away as if they personally insulted you by not having a hot take. Brevity is not the end all of conversion and destroys interesting discussions of media. It's nerd media you'll get this from smart nerds on every property from Ghost Busters to The Simpsons.
True, except that's not everything they are. That's strictly surface detail, the creators of the MCU put tremendous amount off work in their tv shows and movies, they want people to appreciate every detail, as well as the fact media is compared to the real world (which its a reflection of) is incredibly common. Movies for kids are chock full of examples which deserve a thorough examination of what happens in them, the 80s and 90s have numerous movies which have problematic elements in them and concepts which should be discussed amongst fans. The Ghost Busters films, for instance.
It's ok not to partake in those discussions, but nobody should be shutting them down wholesale and its not about boredom, it was an incredibly hostile response which came out of nowhere from numerous people who weren't even in the discussion.
This skateboard discussion is entirely asinine. I would even describe it as being utterly without any merit whatsoever.
There are way bigger flaws with the Amazing Spider-Man movies than an incredibly bad take on skateboarding.
The worst part was the weird fuckin' conspiracy plot that goes nowhere. Do y'all even remember that part? Like a solid 40 minutes across both movies in service of the big reveal that Peter got Spider powers cause his dad used his own DNA to make the magic spiders. Cut. All. Of. That. Out.
Holy shit. It's a coincidence, ya don't gotta explain shit! So much energy to explain why no one but Peter could get spider powers when such a pillar of Spider-Man's appeal is that anyone could be Spider-Man.
Why aren't you complaining to the people who kept bringing the subject up in the first place and insisted that it matters when I said it didn't?
Me : "We know Peter was intended to be portrayed as an outside because the director said so, the actor said so, and because of all of these scenes portraying him as an isolated loser."
Other people : "All of that is wrong, because the movie also shows that Peter has a skateboard, which is the universal symbol for being cool as fuck."
Me: "That's not supported by the movie, based on the actual movie. Also, I don't know where you're getting this idea of skateboards being a universal symbol of coolness."
Other people : "why are you talking about skateboards? Talking about skateboards is dumb."
If you actually care about rufio as an example and don't think that rufio really matters, then maybe don't bring him up as one?
And a razor sharp wit.
TASM had the unfortunate problem of trying to speed run a cinematic universe, where you have to explain why everyone is suddenly getting super powers. In the Ultimate comics, the catalyst is the arms race in recreating the super soldier serum. In the MCU, the main catalyst are the Infinity Stones. DC and the Raimi movies have no main catalyst, it's just a bunch of ideas slapped together. In TASM, the catalyst is Norman Osborn trying to find a way to cure his disease. That's not a coincidence, since his efforts recruit Richard and Peter gains powers in the process of digging into it. A coincidence is when Tobey's version of Peter has a deep personal connection to every supervillain he ever meets, who develop their superpowers for completely unrelated reasons.
The original comic origin story was great for it's time, when radiation was seen as a mysterious, unpredictable force by average Americans. It doesn't hold up as well in modern times, and we haven't found anything to replace it with. There are comic moments where Peter explains how he got his powers, and everyone else thinks he's lying because of how dumb it sounds. The Holland version simply bypasses this altogether. The Ultimate and Raimi versions rely on genetic engineering, but the whole point of engineering is that it's engineered and controlled. JMS and Spider-Verse rely on the more mythical idea of Spider-Totems, where Spider-People are chosen. For instance, Spider-Gwen comes from a world where Peter wasn't chosen, but it works out, because that version of Peter wouldn't have been worthy in the first place. The idea of "anyone could be Spider-Man" is similar to "anyone can cook" from "Ratatouille". Almost right, but not quite.
On top of that, you also have to deal with the fact that every version of Peter is a one-in-a-million super genius, and it's awful coincidental that the Spider would just happen to pick someone who's already gifted in other ways. The original comic and TASM deals with this because if Peter wasn't a genius, he wouldn't have shown up at the exhibit in the first place. The mythical versions explain this by saying that this was part of Peter's worthiness, and the non-geniuses like Miles were chosen for different reasons.
In terms of how it affects relatability, it's similar to Harry Potter or Luke Skywalker: The character might have been destined for greater things, but they didn't know that from the start. Suddenly learning that you have super powers because you come from Wizards or Jedi isn't much different that suddenly learning you have super powers because you were bit by a spider. Both things happen unexpectedly, and thus both things can technically happen to everyone. Of course, execution matters. For instance, Rey is a nobody who suddenly discovers she has Jedi powers. Does it actually matter if her parents were nobodies or the Emperor? Not really. But the execution is bad because audiences felt jerked around and mislead, and the same is probably true for TASM. But while Rey had an easy fix (Don't jerk people around!), there's not really an easy fix for TASM.
In summary, the idea of a spider transferring super powers to someone via spider-bite is always going to sound dumb, unless you use magic (And I count 1960s ideas of radiation as a form of magic).
Let us move on to something more productive like how many days are in a week
That's fair
Let's go old school , What shade of green is Gamora?, let's see if we can outright get the mention of a color banned again!
I'll take "Things I'm Blissfully Unaware Of" for $1000, Alex
In hexadecimal, highlights are #BDEE9C, dark tones #369F4D. I'd figure out the PMS colors, but I don't have my swatch book handy.
We had such a pedantic argument in Graphic Violence back in the day , that we got the word Green outright banned for months.
One of my first infractions was forgetting the ban and mentioning something about Green Goblin months after the argument
I also very much enjoyed the Venom post-credits scene where he basically sat getting drunk the entire movie arguing about purple space aliens with pretty stones.
Edit: Also holy shit Andrew Garfield acted the hell out of that role.
Glasses + mask = lots of fog.
But they did?
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Yeah no that was actually very funny my dude, don't feel bad
I very much like his new look.
he could play the devil but he would be in quiet mourning
Though I'm personally hoping that Wanda has come to terms with everything that happened and, when presented with the temptation, is able to overcome it readily instead of being a third-act twist that takes almost-victory and spins it all sideways.
Wonder if Raimi is bummed they already had Mysterio in the MCU. That was meant to be Campbell's role in Spider-Man 4 IIRC.
Well now I'm bummed that never happened!
I will be shocked if she doesn't use it as an opportunity to get a vision and/or her kids and go full nutso evil.
She's already gone full nutso evil
She was never evil in the first place, why would she go there now? A shady government organization intentionally goaded her into a psychotic break to try and get Vision resurrected and then tried to murder her to cover it up, and her big act of revenge was to disappear and work her own things out. And after all the events of WandaVision, she's at least come to terms with what happened even if she isn't necessarily okay with what happened.
Her going off the rails to snag a live Vision in a big "surprise" twist would be just about the most tedious tropey snorefest move they could do.
Spoilers for What if?