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    wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    Really, at this point there are a billion "best GBA games of all time" lists on the internet, and they'll all be pretty good suggestions. Most will have a few titles that may not be super mainstream either.

    I'd just start looking at those and picking games that are in your wheelhouse.

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    emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    I played the emulated version on XBOX game pass but was Metal Slug X ever a smooth experience in the arcade? It suffered massive frame rate drops when too many enemies were onscreen which is surprising because Metal Slug X was supposed to be an upgraded version of Metal Slug 2 which also suffered massive frame rate drops.

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    augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    I played the emulated version on XBOX game pass but was Metal Slug X ever a smooth experience in the arcade? It suffered massive frame rate drops when too many enemies were onscreen which is surprising because Metal Slug X was supposed to be an upgraded version of Metal Slug 2 which also suffered massive frame rate drops.

    Here's some footage of the game running on mister: miser emulation isn't necessarily always perfect but usually the timing and speed are correct

    https://youtu.be/BPPiHO0zJgE

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    LBD_NytetraynLBD_Nytetrayn TorontoRegistered User regular
    I saw a video on YouTube talking about a way to play PS1 games on Xbox Series X through something you get from the game developer program, but I'm not sure if it's okay to talk about here?

    I'm mostly interested if I can run my PS1 discs on it, but I haven't been able to find an answer anywhere.

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    GimGim a tall glass of water Registered User regular
    Krathoon wrote: »
    The Saturn core works really well. Some games do not run, but the ones that do work really well.
    For some reason, there is no sound on the firmware screen.

    I was using the universal bios for it. I don't know if I should add the other regions or how to add them.
    It seemed like it was running Japanese games fine.

    Does it now? Any games you would recommend trying out for good performance? I tried Guardian Heroes but it was not giving me anywhere close to usable results.

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    augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    edited February 2023
    I saw a video on YouTube talking about a way to play PS1 games on Xbox Series X through something you get from the game developer program, but I'm not sure if it's okay to talk about here?

    I'm mostly interested if I can run my PS1 discs on it, but I haven't been able to find an answer anywhere.

    You could buy a disc drive for your computer and rip your own discs. I don't think modern consoles can read CDs because they would have to pay a licensing fee per console to whatever consortium still owns the patent to the CD format.

    edit: for the record, it looks like you CAN play audio CDs on XBox via Groove music, but I can't find anything about XBox Retroarch being able to read discs of any kind. I know that Sony pulled CD support from PS4s and that might have been a licensing thing, or they may just have been trying to push people to pay for streaming services, or both.

    @LBD_Nytetrayn ok just to clarify: there are two ways to play PSX games on XBox, Retroarch and Duckstation (you probably want to use Duckstation.) I think you can load discs directly using both of those on PC, but I can't find evidence of that working on XBox. But I'm not positive you can't do that on XBox either, so it might be worth trying it out and seeing what happens?

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    emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    august wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    I played the emulated version on XBOX game pass but was Metal Slug X ever a smooth experience in the arcade? It suffered massive frame rate drops when too many enemies were onscreen which is surprising because Metal Slug X was supposed to be an upgraded version of Metal Slug 2 which also suffered massive frame rate drops.

    Here's some footage of the game running on mister: miser emulation isn't necessarily always perfect but usually the timing and speed are correct

    https://youtu.be/BPPiHO0zJgE

    That doesn't seem too bad. Playable.

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    KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    This Double Switch includes the soundtrack on a cassette tape. I don't have a player.

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    LBD_NytetraynLBD_Nytetrayn TorontoRegistered User regular
    august wrote: »
    I saw a video on YouTube talking about a way to play PS1 games on Xbox Series X through something you get from the game developer program, but I'm not sure if it's okay to talk about here?

    I'm mostly interested if I can run my PS1 discs on it, but I haven't been able to find an answer anywhere.

    You could buy a disc drive for your computer and rip your own discs. I don't think modern consoles can read CDs because they would have to pay a licensing fee per console to whatever consortium still owns the patent to the CD format.

    edit: for the record, it looks like you CAN play audio CDs on XBox via Groove music, but I can't find anything about XBox Retroarch being able to read discs of any kind. I know that Sony pulled CD support from PS4s and that might have been a licensing thing, or they may just have been trying to push people to pay for streaming services, or both.

    @LBD_Nytetrayn ok just to clarify: there are two ways to play PSX games on XBox, Retroarch and Duckstation (you probably want to use Duckstation.) I think you can load discs directly using both of those on PC, but I can't find evidence of that working on XBox. But I'm not positive you can't do that on XBox either, so it might be worth trying it out and seeing what happens?

    Something to look into, I guess.

    Retroarch was the one in the video, but I'm also wondering: do you have to keep paying into the Xbox dev program to keep using it? Or can you just pay long enough to grab it, cancel, and still be good to go?

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    augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    august wrote: »
    I saw a video on YouTube talking about a way to play PS1 games on Xbox Series X through something you get from the game developer program, but I'm not sure if it's okay to talk about here?

    I'm mostly interested if I can run my PS1 discs on it, but I haven't been able to find an answer anywhere.

    You could buy a disc drive for your computer and rip your own discs. I don't think modern consoles can read CDs because they would have to pay a licensing fee per console to whatever consortium still owns the patent to the CD format.

    edit: for the record, it looks like you CAN play audio CDs on XBox via Groove music, but I can't find anything about XBox Retroarch being able to read discs of any kind. I know that Sony pulled CD support from PS4s and that might have been a licensing thing, or they may just have been trying to push people to pay for streaming services, or both.

    @LBD_Nytetrayn ok just to clarify: there are two ways to play PSX games on XBox, Retroarch and Duckstation (you probably want to use Duckstation.) I think you can load discs directly using both of those on PC, but I can't find evidence of that working on XBox. But I'm not positive you can't do that on XBox either, so it might be worth trying it out and seeing what happens?

    Something to look into, I guess.

    Retroarch was the one in the video, but I'm also wondering: do you have to keep paying into the Xbox dev program to keep using it? Or can you just pay long enough to grab it, cancel, and still be good to go?

    I'm under the impression that it's a one-time fee of 20 bucks and that's it.

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    BetsuniBetsuni UM-R60L Talisker IVRegistered User regular
    Krathoon wrote: »
    This Double Switch includes the soundtrack on a cassette tape. I don't have a player.

    Oddly I have two tape players in my house. Not sure if they still work since one was my Dad's old Sony Walkman and another is mine from High School.

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    GimGim a tall glass of water Registered User regular
    I came across an engine replacement for Star Wars: Dark Forces called TheForceEngine (TFE). I had never used darkXL but seems to have ceased development and this is by the author of that.

    This is the fastest I've ever been able to boot up this game outside of Dosbox! I'm tempted to dig out my old save and pick up in this engine.

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    augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    Gim wrote: »
    I came across an engine replacement for Star Wars: Dark Forces called TheForceEngine (TFE). I had never used darkXL but seems to have ceased development and this is by the author of that.

    This is the fastest I've ever been able to boot up this game outside of Dosbox! I'm tempted to dig out my old save and pick up in this engine.

    Yeah even though darkXL has been around for like 10-15 years a lot of people don't realize it's never been feature complete or playable from start to finish. This new version under a new name is the first time it's been actually usable as a full replacement for playing it in dosbox.

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    GimGim a tall glass of water Registered User regular
    edited February 2023
    Once I knew where to look, it was extremely simple to bring my old save file over.

    And I don't know if I had heard of Outlaws before, but it was the other game made with the Jedi engine (Dark Forces II used the Sith engine). Now that version 1.0 of TFE came out in December it sounds like the author is going to focus on getting that game playable for version 2.0. Nifty!

    This thing is kind of the best. I wish more old PC games had this.

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    KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    gog did some kind of voodoo to get Outlaws to run right.

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    KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    In Dark Forces, you get the Death Star plans. Don't believe Rogue One.

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    GimGim a tall glass of water Registered User regular
    Krathoon wrote: »
    In Dark Forces, you get the Death Star plans. Don't believe Rogue One.

    It's the first level, too! If you know what you're doing you can easily blast through it in under 2 minutes. The plans look like a circuit board, it's so cute.

    Then you steal the Death Star II plans in Shadows of the Empire (where the supercomputer looks a little like an N64). Bothams, my butt.

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    Many Katarns died to bring us this information.

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    KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    Betsuni wrote: »
    Krathoon wrote: »
    This Double Switch includes the soundtrack on a cassette tape. I don't have a player.

    Oddly I have two tape players in my house. Not sure if they still work since one was my Dad's old Sony Walkman and another is mine from High School.

    I found a player that makes mp3s off of cassettes for $21. I may get it. I don't know if it records.
    If I found a bunch of rare tapes, it would be handy.

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    klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    Gim wrote: »
    Krathoon wrote: »
    In Dark Forces, you get the Death Star plans. Don't believe Rogue One.

    It's the first level, too! If you know what you're doing you can easily blast through it in under 2 minutes. The plans look like a circuit board, it's so cute.

    Then you steal the Death Star II plans in Shadows of the Empire (where the supercomputer looks a little like an N64). Bothams, my butt.

    In the pre-Disney expanded SW universe, the Death Star plans were canonically stolen by like a dozen different groups, each one rushing them to the rebellion and then losing them somewhere so the next group can steal them.

    Specifically the Many Bothans die in the Shadows of the Empire book, and also in X-Wing Alliance where an invincible missile does the job. So Many = Six, but Mon Mothma presumably thought "Six Bothans died to bring us this information" didn't sound motivational enough, which is fair.

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    KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    You can say Rougue One got the complete plans and the others got parts or old plans. There, it is all canon.

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    LBD_NytetraynLBD_Nytetrayn TorontoRegistered User regular
    Trufans know the truth...
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    Also, I hope that "trufans" spelling made it clear that was a joke. ;)

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    SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    There's a lot of news about Xenia coming to Xbox via the UWP (universal Windows platform, itself a legacy app system that's still in use as a way to easily develop for Xbox One and Xbox Series), but I don't exactly think that's, well, retro.

    Dolphin, on the other hand? Fair game.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tljqx72Vd2A

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    DirtyDirty Registered User regular
    I did try out the previous build of Dolphin on Series S, and while it's nice, the shader compiling or whatever it does when you launch a game is pretty brutal in terms of the load time. Also, I think even with the newer build, you can't modify controls without exporting your settings to PC, modifying controls, and exporting back to Xbox. Huge pain in the ass. I do wonder how some Wii games will work with this method.

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    augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    Dirty wrote: »
    I did try out the previous build of Dolphin on Series S, and while it's nice, the shader compiling or whatever it does when you launch a game is pretty brutal in terms of the load time. Also, I think even with the newer build, you can't modify controls without exporting your settings to PC, modifying controls, and exporting back to Xbox. Huge pain in the ass. I do wonder how some Wii games will work with this method.

    Watch the video, you no longer have to import control settings.

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    DirtyDirty Registered User regular
    I watched another video talking about the same update. They did fix it so the default controls are mapped to the Xbox controller, but editing the controls beyond the default they set up still requires using your PC.

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    SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    august wrote: »
    Dirty wrote: »
    I did try out the previous build of Dolphin on Series S, and while it's nice, the shader compiling or whatever it does when you launch a game is pretty brutal in terms of the load time. Also, I think even with the newer build, you can't modify controls without exporting your settings to PC, modifying controls, and exporting back to Xbox. Huge pain in the ass. I do wonder how some Wii games will work with this method.

    Watch the video, you no longer have to import control settings.

    I distinctly remember an interface UI being a new, overdue addition, but it's still quite rough even by Dolphin emulation standards.

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    Handsome CostanzaHandsome Costanza Ask me about 8bitdo RIP Iwata-sanRegistered User regular
    edited February 2023
    TimFiji wrote: »
    TimFiji wrote: »
    I want to use my Analogue Pocket some more. I got quite a bit of GB and GBA games but does anyone have any specific games they recommend I should try to get?

    What kinds of games do you enjoy?

    I'm all over when it comes to consoles. Old school FFs, castlevania , metroid, platformers, TBS like FF Tactics Advance or advance wars.

    For GB:
    007
    Final Fantasy Adventure
    Final Fantasy Legends 1-3
    Battletoads
    Kirby's Dreamland

    GBC:
    Metal Gear Solid
    Shantae
    Oracle of seasons/ages
    Pokemon pinball
    Links Awakening DX
    Harvest Moon

    GBA:
    The TMNT Konami games
    Ninja 5-0
    House of the Dead Pinball
    Minish Cap

    Edit: I tried to stick to obscure stuff and keep away from the pricier games but there's still a few in there.

    If you just get one game on the list though, get 007. You'll thank me later.

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    LD50LD50 Registered User regular
    Riviera: The Promised Land, and the golden sun games should get added to the list of gba games.

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    Stabbity StyleStabbity Style He/Him | Warning: Mothership Reporting Kennewick, WARegistered User regular
    GBA is fucking stacked when it comes to cool stuff.

    This site is generally pretty good for browsing games for a console that might be worth checking out.

    https://vsrecommendedgames.fandom.com/wiki/Game_Boy_Advance

    Not all of em are great and it probably misses some stuff worth checking out, but pretty much everything on there has some sort of good thing about it that makes it worth taking a look.

    Astro Boy: Omega Factor, for example, is probably not something I would've heard about if not for that list.

    Sword of Mana is a GBA staple, the Mega Man Battle Network games are kind of a cult classic, and WarioWare the original is on there and is still an absolute classic.

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    KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    I think Astro Boy was a Treasure game.

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    Stabbity StyleStabbity Style He/Him | Warning: Mothership Reporting Kennewick, WARegistered User regular
    Krathoon wrote: »
    I think Astro Boy was a Treasure game.

    Yep!

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    shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    TimFiji wrote: »
    TimFiji wrote: »
    I want to use my Analogue Pocket some more. I got quite a bit of GB and GBA games but does anyone have any specific games they recommend I should try to get?

    What kinds of games do you enjoy?

    I'm all over when it comes to consoles. Old school FFs, castlevania , metroid, platformers, TBS like FF Tactics Advance or advance wars.

    For GB:
    007
    Final Fantasy Adventure
    Final Fantasy Legends 1-3
    Battletoads
    Kirby's Dreamland

    GBC:
    Metal Gear Solid
    Shantae
    Oracle of seasons/ages
    Pokemon pinball
    Links Awakening DX
    Harvest Moon

    GBA:
    The TMNT Konami games
    Ninja 5-0
    House of the Dead Pinball
    Minish Cap

    Edit: I tried to stick to obscure stuff and keep away from the pricier games but there's still a few in there.

    If you just get one game on the list though, get 007. You'll thank me later.

    Worth noting: Final Fantasy Legends has a collection playable on modern systems as do the TMNT OG Game Boy games (they're included in Cowabunga Collection). The TMNT GBA games aren't included in that, though. You can also grab Shantae from various places, like on the 3DS or the Switch. Bringing this up in case any of those are outrageously overpriced for the original versions.

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    rahkeesh2000rahkeesh2000 Registered User regular
    Sword of Mana is a GBA staple, the Mega Man Battle Network games are kind of a cult classic, and WarioWare the original is on there and is still an absolute classic.

    I won't stand in your way if its cheap but it is so not good. I'm playing FF Adventure *right now* for the first time and it is leagues more fun. Sure it's short and has a laughable story, but at least it isn't thoroughly tedious. The combat is weirdly intelligent with how limited the gameboy is, and they had the discretion to burden you with just a few lines of badly written text instead of walls of it.

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    Stabbity StyleStabbity Style He/Him | Warning: Mothership Reporting Kennewick, WARegistered User regular
    Sword of Mana is a GBA staple, the Mega Man Battle Network games are kind of a cult classic, and WarioWare the original is on there and is still an absolute classic.

    I won't stand in your way if its cheap but it is so not good. I'm playing FF Adventure *right now* for the first time and it is leagues more fun. Sure it's short and has a laughable story, but at least it isn't thoroughly tedious. The combat is weirdly intelligent with how limited the gameboy is, and they had the discretion to burden you with just a few lines of badly written text instead of walls of it.

    Maybe it's just childhood nostalgia for me. I really enjoyed it back in the day, though.

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    rahkeesh2000rahkeesh2000 Registered User regular
    I mean, it's probably not garbage because I played through it still in my middle age. But it feels pretty far from something I could recommend as highly as a "staple."

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    GBA is fucking stacked when it comes to cool stuff.

    This site is generally pretty good for browsing games for a console that might be worth checking out.

    https://vsrecommendedgames.fandom.com/wiki/Game_Boy_Advance

    Not all of em are great and it probably misses some stuff worth checking out, but pretty much everything on there has some sort of good thing about it that makes it worth taking a look.

    Astro Boy: Omega Factor, for example, is probably not something I would've heard about if not for that list.

    Sword of Mana is a GBA staple, the Mega Man Battle Network games are kind of a cult classic, and WarioWare the original is on there and is still an absolute classic.

    The lack of Max Payne on that list makes me sad. Genuinely remarkable on the GBA.

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    rahkeesh2000rahkeesh2000 Registered User regular
    PC Engine CD core for Analogue Pocket is out. Only bin/cue format supported. Author recommends an exfat formatted SD card.

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    PC Engine CD core for Analogue Pocket is out. Only bin/cue format supported. Author recommends an exfat formatted SD card.

    Getcha Gradius II on!

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