... tourist subs, which could once be skippered by anyone with a U.S. Coast Guard captain’s license, were regulated by the Passenger Vessel Safety Act of 1993, which imposed rigorous new manufacturing and inspection requirements and prohibited dives below 150 feet. The law was well-meaning, Rush says, but he believes it needlessly prioritized passenger safety over commercial innovation (a position a less adventurous submariner might find open to debate).
“There hasn’t been an injury in the commercial sub industry in over 35 years. It’s obscenely safe, because they have all these regulations. But it also hasn’t innovated or grown—because they have all these regulations.” The U.S. government, meanwhile, has continued to favor space exploration over ocean research: NASA today gets about $10.5 billion annually for exploration, while NOAA’s Office of Ocean Exploration and Research is allotted less than $50 million—a triumph of “emotion over logic,” Rush says. “Half of the United States is underwater, and we haven’t even mapped it!”
Edit: for context the cost of the planned replacement for the USN-owned and Woods Hole operated submersible Alvin, which carries humans down to 14000ft, is currently US$22mil for good reasons that include but aren't limited to preventing the deaths of it's passengers.
Hell, the OceanGate folks didn't even bother to wander into a fucking West Marine and spend less than eight hundo on a Cat 1 EPIRB that would be beeping away right now, announcing the Titan's position via satellite.
This is something that is driving me utterly bonkers.
I installed a personal EPIRB in my offshore harness/vest and it took a few hundred bucks and 5 god damn minutes. Couldn't think "ya know what? one of the most reliable rescue devices in the history of mankind is available from a store where drunk sunburnt retirees buy pool noodles...maybe I should get one."?
The ocean does not fucking play around.
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I cannot get over this entire story it's insane and so insanely fucking LAZY and irresponsible
if you've taken Beginner Kayaking for Dumbshits you know to take safety seriously and yet these guys said "who fuckin cares"
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They'd find the scattered remnants of the carbon-fiber hull.
Reportedly searchers have heard "banging" in the vicinity of the Titanic (Rolling Stone had an article, but behind a paywall), so sounds like they didn't implode. I'm not sure there's any way for them to get rescued even if they're found, though, especially with just thirty remaining hours of oxygen.
Yeah, with more time you might be able to get an ROV on site and get lucky, but... I have a feeling the outcome is going to be at best recovering the bodies (if it's possible to easily get the ballast loose somehow) and figuring out what went wrong.
They'd find the scattered remnants of the carbon-fiber hull.
Reportedly searchers have heard "banging" in the vicinity of the Titanic (Rolling Stone had an article, but behind a paywall), so sounds like they didn't implode. I'm not sure there's any way for them to get rescued even if they're found, though, especially with just thirty remaining hours of oxygen.
Yeah, with more time you might be able to get an ROV on site and get lucky, but... I have a feeling the outcome is going to be at best recovering the bodies (if it's possible to easily get the ballast loose somehow) and figuring out what went wrong.
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Where did the Rolling Stone get "banging"? The description elsewhere is just "unspecified noises." Which could be survivors, or could be just a random animal bumping into a rock.
I'll say this though, bolting yourself into an air tight tube that can only be opened from the outside and then fucking off into the ocean without a beacon is a better use of his time than what most billionaires get up to.
I am just as guilty of this, but what is it about this situation that gets everyone talking about it vs. like, an apartment building collapsing and the drama of the corrupt city government moving to demolish the site before all the bodies are accounted for, like happened somewhere in the US in the last few months? Because it's funny and stupid instead of sad and awful?
I am just as guilty of this, but what is it about this situation that gets everyone talking about it vs. like, an apartment building collapsing and the drama of the corrupt city government moving to demolish the site before all the bodies are accounted for, like happened somewhere in the US in the last few months? Because it's funny and stupid instead of sad and awful?
Yeah basically. Like that was all over my social and news media, but it was grim and horrible the whole way through so talking about it was rage inducing and sad in equal measures, it wasnt exactly a community party.
I think in particular the fact that the CEO is down there kicks it up a notch, entertainment wise. As an illustrative counterpoint - with the Greek refugee boat, every death on board is a tragedy. With this one ... look all I'm saying is if they pull four people out alive and one doesn't make it, I know who I hope it will be.
I am just as guilty of this, but what is it about this situation that gets everyone talking about it vs. like, an apartment building collapsing and the drama of the corrupt city government moving to demolish the site before all the bodies are accounted for, like happened somewhere in the US in the last few months? Because it's funny and stupid instead of sad and awful?
You mean the apartment building that collapsed less than one month ago, where three bodies were recovered from it after protests delayed the initial attempts to demolish it, records show that at least one contracting firm stated the building was unsafe for people to stay in months ago, and the building owner has... paid a $300 fine?
part of it is our desire for schadenfreude, part of it is the grim ridiculousness of the details, part of it is that it involves something primal that has been both feared and romanticized since humans have existed, and part of it is that like it or not we enjoy talking about the wealthy and powerful, however unearned those traits may be (especially if it involves the aforementioned schadenfreude)
I'm sure there's more to it, but those are four very powerful draws that a collapsed apartment building, as horrible and tragic as it is, just can't capture
I am just as guilty of this, but what is it about this situation that gets everyone talking about it vs. like, an apartment building collapsing and the drama of the corrupt city government moving to demolish the site before all the bodies are accounted for, like happened somewhere in the US in the last few months? Because it's funny and stupid instead of sad and awful?
With the apartment collapse, I think people get frustrated and depressed by "There should have been systems in place to protect these people from a thing they had no means of preventing on their own." People feel their own helplessness in their inability to help other helpless people. It's a bad feeling to sit with.
But when somebody does something incredibly stupid and dangerous and it goes predictably and avoidably sideways, people get to feel empowered - "My God, something bad in the world I could have prevented. I simply wouldn't have gotten in the suicide tube. Look at it. Even me, person who often feels cruelly buffeted about by the capricious whims of fate, could have avoided that horrible tragedy, by using my two eyes and like one half modicum of common sense. The world is full of unpredictable horrors, but that one? Man, goddamn, that one would NOT get me."
It's not a, like, GREAT human instinct, but it's kinda like when you see some maniac blow past you at like eighty miles above the speed limit and then you see their car pulled over by highway patrol or flipped in a ditch and you're like, "Man, see, that's exactly why I don't fucking do that," it feels like proof the world is sometimes something approaching ordered or sane
People were angry about the apartment complex collapse because several people died and many more were harmed due to a social parasite who cared more about money than lives. It'll keep happening to people. It could happen to any of us. What won't happen to any of us is getting inside a coffin built from a shopping cart full of RV accessories and diving down to gawk at a testament to man's hubris inside a smaller testament to man's hubris.
what makes this incident funny is the hubris of the people involved; seeing arrogant people get their comeuppance is like, one of the foundations of human storytelling so seeing it happen in real time is always compelling
the difference between this and that apartment story is that the people in the apartment building (at least presumably) weren't running around going 'haha the building inspector says it's structurally unsound, but fuuuuuuck him', they just needed a place to live
and I mean, it is terrible for these guys' families that they've (probably) lost their lives doing something so dumb; but on the other hand, they tried to reach the titanic wreck with a metal tube and a playstation controller
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People were angry about the apartment complex collapse because several people died and many more were harmed due to a social parasite who cared more about money than lives. It'll keep happening to people. It could happen to any of us. What won't happen to any of us is getting inside a coffin built from a shopping cart full of RV accessories and diving down to gawk at a testament to man's hubris inside a smaller testament to man's hubris.
That's the funny bit, you nailed it.
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My interest is twofold. I'm scared of the ocean so this scenario is morbidly fascinating in a way that things which scare you are. And glee at the CEO being one of the people in there. Because yes it's tragic and sad but also you're a billionaire and this is how you chose to spend your time instead of helping people? Feels a bit like karma.
... tourist subs, which could once be skippered by anyone with a U.S. Coast Guard captain’s license, were regulated by the Passenger Vessel Safety Act of 1993, which imposed rigorous new manufacturing and inspection requirements and prohibited dives below 150 feet. The law was well-meaning, Rush says, but he believes it needlessly prioritized passenger safety over commercial innovation (a position a less adventurous submariner might find open to debate).
“There hasn’t been an injury in the commercial sub industry in over 35 years. It’s obscenely safe, because they have all these regulations. But it also hasn’t innovated or grown—because they have all these regulations.” The U.S. government, meanwhile, has continued to favor space exploration over ocean research: NASA today gets about $10.5 billion annually for exploration, while NOAA’s Office of Ocean Exploration and Research is allotted less than $50 million—a triumph of “emotion over logic,” Rush says. “Half of the United States is underwater, and we haven’t even mapped it!”
Edit: for context the cost of the planned replacement for the USN-owned and Woods Hole operated submersible Alvin, which carries humans down to 14000ft, is currently US$22mil for good reasons that include but aren't limited to preventing the deaths of it's passengers.
Hell, the OceanGate folks didn't even bother to wander into a fucking West Marine and spend less than eight hundo on a Cat 1 EPIRB that would be beeping away right now, announcing the Titan's position via satellite.
This is something that is driving me utterly bonkers.
I installed a personal EPIRB in my offshore harness/vest and it took a few hundred bucks and 5 god damn minutes. Couldn't think "ya know what? one of the most reliable rescue devices in the history of mankind is available from a store where drunk sunburnt retirees buy pool noodles...maybe I should get one."?
The ocean does not fucking play around.
You can’t take a 2 person dinghy out to see in Australia without an epirb lol.
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Stockton Rush down there hiring a bunch of plucky up and coming Crab People to build an abovemarine to take him back to the surface while ignoring Crab People Safety regulations.
I remember once swimming in the ocean, about 2 weeks offshore in about 3km of water. That was a spooky feeling
Is that a typo or do you mean you were swimming for 2 weeks?
Furthest I've been swimming from shore is about 5k when I went swimming with sharks. I should have been terrified but I was distracted by feeling really seasick. Which I didn't think was a thing that could happen while you are actually in the water, but apparently it is.
The idea there are two almost perfectly preserved boats from WW2 20,000+ feet underwater is crazy. I wish I possessed a small, probably not at all deadly submersible vehicle that could take me down there to look at them.
Me: A submersible got lost looking for the Titanic. Husband, a Titanic geek: Oh, they’re gone. Me: Well, there’s a search and rescue— Husband: No, they’re gone. Me: But they do have 36 hours of oxygen left— Husband: They’re gone. Me: Husband: Don’t ever go in the ocean.
... tourist subs, which could once be skippered by anyone with a U.S. Coast Guard captain’s license, were regulated by the Passenger Vessel Safety Act of 1993, which imposed rigorous new manufacturing and inspection requirements and prohibited dives below 150 feet. The law was well-meaning, Rush says, but he believes it needlessly prioritized passenger safety over commercial innovation (a position a less adventurous submariner might find open to debate).
“There hasn’t been an injury in the commercial sub industry in over 35 years. It’s obscenely safe, because they have all these regulations. But it also hasn’t innovated or grown—because they have all these regulations.” The U.S. government, meanwhile, has continued to favor space exploration over ocean research: NASA today gets about $10.5 billion annually for exploration, while NOAA’s Office of Ocean Exploration and Research is allotted less than $50 million—a triumph of “emotion over logic,” Rush says. “Half of the United States is underwater, and we haven’t even mapped it!”
Edit: for context the cost of the planned replacement for the USN-owned and Woods Hole operated submersible Alvin, which carries humans down to 14000ft, is currently US$22mil for good reasons that include but aren't limited to preventing the deaths of it's passengers.
Hell, the OceanGate folks didn't even bother to wander into a fucking West Marine and spend less than eight hundo on a Cat 1 EPIRB that would be beeping away right now, announcing the Titan's position via satellite.
This is something that is driving me utterly bonkers.
I installed a personal EPIRB in my offshore harness/vest and it took a few hundred bucks and 5 god damn minutes. Couldn't think "ya know what? one of the most reliable rescue devices in the history of mankind is available from a store where drunk sunburnt retirees buy pool noodles...maybe I should get one."?
The ocean does not fucking play around.
You can’t take a 2 person dinghy out to see in Australia without an epirb lol.
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I cannot get over this entire story it's insane and so insanely fucking LAZY and irresponsible
if you've taken Beginner Kayaking for Dumbshits you know to take safety seriously and yet these guys said "who fuckin cares"
"Sandra has a good solid anti-murderer vibe. My skin felt very secure and sufficiently attached to my body when I met her. Also my organs." HAIL SATAN
Yeah, with more time you might be able to get an ROV on site and get lucky, but... I have a feeling the outcome is going to be at best recovering the bodies (if it's possible to easily get the ballast loose somehow) and figuring out what went wrong.
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"Sandra has a good solid anti-murderer vibe. My skin felt very secure and sufficiently attached to my body when I met her. Also my organs." HAIL SATAN
Sorry Im not very familiar with metric, is that deep?
Yeah basically. Like that was all over my social and news media, but it was grim and horrible the whole way through so talking about it was rage inducing and sad in equal measures, it wasnt exactly a community party.
I think in particular the fact that the CEO is down there kicks it up a notch, entertainment wise. As an illustrative counterpoint - with the Greek refugee boat, every death on board is a tragedy. With this one ... look all I'm saying is if they pull four people out alive and one doesn't make it, I know who I hope it will be.
You mean the apartment building that collapsed less than one month ago, where three bodies were recovered from it after protests delayed the initial attempts to demolish it, records show that at least one contracting firm stated the building was unsafe for people to stay in months ago, and the building owner has... paid a $300 fine?
I'm sure there's more to it, but those are four very powerful draws that a collapsed apartment building, as horrible and tragic as it is, just can't capture
With the apartment collapse, I think people get frustrated and depressed by "There should have been systems in place to protect these people from a thing they had no means of preventing on their own." People feel their own helplessness in their inability to help other helpless people. It's a bad feeling to sit with.
But when somebody does something incredibly stupid and dangerous and it goes predictably and avoidably sideways, people get to feel empowered - "My God, something bad in the world I could have prevented. I simply wouldn't have gotten in the suicide tube. Look at it. Even me, person who often feels cruelly buffeted about by the capricious whims of fate, could have avoided that horrible tragedy, by using my two eyes and like one half modicum of common sense. The world is full of unpredictable horrors, but that one? Man, goddamn, that one would NOT get me."
It's not a, like, GREAT human instinct, but it's kinda like when you see some maniac blow past you at like eighty miles above the speed limit and then you see their car pulled over by highway patrol or flipped in a ditch and you're like, "Man, see, that's exactly why I don't fucking do that," it feels like proof the world is sometimes something approaching ordered or sane
Yes 3700M is about 12139 in feet
the difference between this and that apartment story is that the people in the apartment building (at least presumably) weren't running around going 'haha the building inspector says it's structurally unsound, but fuuuuuuck him', they just needed a place to live
and I mean, it is terrible for these guys' families that they've (probably) lost their lives doing something so dumb; but on the other hand, they tried to reach the titanic wreck with a metal tube and a playstation controller
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That's the funny bit, you nailed it.
You can’t take a 2 person dinghy out to see in Australia without an epirb lol.
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It's like a matryoshka doll of stuck boats.
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I can never sleep on a plane because my brain forces me to contemplate all the nothing between my seat and the ground.
Got a similar feeling contemplating your swim.
Well yeah, can't be losing those sweet sweet drugs. They're valuable.
It would appear that rich people just don't.....give a fuck about safety?
It gets in the way of their cool ideas that are definitely cool because it got so retweeted you guys
There's not nothing.
There's a bunch of pissed off fish angry that Tef's ruining their perfectly good water
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Is that a typo or do you mean you were swimming for 2 weeks?
Furthest I've been swimming from shore is about 5k when I went swimming with sharks. I should have been terrified but I was distracted by feeling really seasick. Which I didn't think was a thing that could happen while you are actually in the water, but apparently it is.
"Every trip I've taken, there was a problem": Former Titan Titanic travellers reveal issues
Fun fact, this video almost gave me an anxiety attack.
Just... Raw, existential dread watching that.
The idea there are two almost perfectly preserved boats from WW2 20,000+ feet underwater is crazy. I wish I possessed a small, probably not at all deadly submersible vehicle that could take me down there to look at them.
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Coast Guard Sends Another Submersible Full Of Billionaires After The First One
I need this on a t-shirt