Let's determine the top 50 games of all time.

jungleroomx

ack

Polaritie

remove: Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow
add: Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia

Nope, we're going with Shanoa.

[*] Baldur’s Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
[*] Burnout 3: Takedown
[*] Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia
[*] Celeste
[*] Caesar 3
[*] Chrono Trigger (DS)
[*] Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen
[*] Devil May Cry 5
[*] Disco Elysium
[*] Fallout New Vegas
[*] Front Mission 3
[*] Hollow Knight
[*] Katamari Damacy
[*] Kentucky Route Zero
[*] Laser Squad Nemesis
[*] Left 4 Dead 2
[*] Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
[*] Mario Kart: Double Dash
[*] Marvel vs Capcom 2
[*] Mechwarrior 2: Mercenaries
[*] Nethack
[*] Outer Wilds
[*] Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
[*] Pathologic 2
[*] Pokémon Blue (1998)
[*] Rock Band 3
[*] Secret of Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge
[*] Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
[*] Shadow of the Colossus
[*] Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
[*] Silent Hill 2
[*] Sims 3
[*] Sleeping Dogs
[*] Sonic 3 & Knuckles
[*] Star Control 2: The Ur-Quan Masters
[*] Starcraft
[*] Stardew Valley
[*] Super Metroid
[*] Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror
[*] System Shock 2
[*] Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together (2010)
[*] Tetris (Game Boy)
[*] The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
[*] The House in Fata Morgana
[*] Tie Fighter
[*] Tony Hawk's Underground
[*] Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
[*] UFO: Enemy Unknown / XCOM: UFO Defense (1994)
[*] Vagrant Story
[*] Yakuza 5

WeedLordVegeta

this has been a rule baked in since the thread was made

Lucedes

The list just gets worse and worse…

jungleroomx

GFDI

1. Baldur’s Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
2. Burnout 3: Takedown
3. Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia
4. Celeste
5. Caesar 3
6. Chrono Trigger (DS)
7. Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen
8. Devil May Cry 5
9. Disco Elysium
10. Fallout New Vegas
11. Front Mission 3
12. Hollow Knight
13. Katamari Damacy
14. Kentucky Route Zero
15. Laser Squad Nemesis
16. Left 4 Dead 2
17. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
18. Mario Kart: Double Dash
19. Marvel vs Capcom 2
20. Mechwarrior 2: Mercenaries
21. Nethack
22. Outer Wilds
23. Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
24. Pathologic 2
25. Pokémon Blue (1998)
26. Rock Band 3
27. Secret of Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge
28. Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
29. Shadow of the Colossus
30. Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
31. Silent Hill 2
32. Sims 3
33. Sleeping Dogs
34. Sonic 3 & Knuckles
35. Star Control 2: The Ur-Quan Masters
36. Starcraft
37. Stardew Valley
38. Super Metroid
39. Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror
40. System Shock 2
41. Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together (2010)
42. Tetris (Game Boy)
43. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
44. The House in Fata Morgana
45. Tie Fighter
46. Tony Hawk's Underground
47. Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
48. UFO: Enemy Unknown / XCOM: UFO Defense (1994)
49. Vagrant Story
50. Yakuza 5
    

Lasbrook

I know it existed from the start I just didn’t realize it took effect from the start. I thought it was only after we got to the replacement phase.

Poorochondriac

Lucedes wrote: »

The list just gets worse and worse…

Then get ye knife if yr so smart

Virgil_Leads_You

Pokemon is ok, but I liked building up demons and deities and exploring social issues more.

Remove Pokemon: Blue
add Persona 3 Portable

Baldur’s Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
Bomberman 64: The Second Attack
Burnout 3: Takedown
Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia
Celeste
Caesar 3
Chrono Trigger (DS)
Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen
Devil May Cry 5
Disco Elysium
Fallout New Vegas
Front Mission 3
Hollow Knight
Katamari Damacy
Kentucky Route Zero
Laser Squad Nemesis
Left 4 Dead 2
Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Mario Kart: Double Dash
Marvel vs Capcom 2
Mechwarrior 2: Mercenaries
Nethack
Outer Wilds
Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
Pathologic 2
Persona 3 Portable
Rock Band 3
Secret of Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge
Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
Shadow of the Colossus
Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
Silent Hill 2
Sims 3
Sleeping Dogs
Sonic 3 & Knuckles
Star Control 2: The Ur-Quan Masters
Starcraft
Stardew Valley
Super Metroid
System Shock 2
Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together (2010)
Tetris (Game Boy)
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
The House in Fata Morgana
Tie Fighter
Tony Hawk's Underground
Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
UFO: Enemy Unknown / XCOM: UFO Defense (1994)
Vagrant Story
Yakuza 5

Madican

REMOVE: Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia
ADD: Castlevania: Lords of Shadow

1. Baldur’s Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
2. Burnout 3: Takedown
3. Castlevania: Lords of Shadow
4. Celeste
5. Caesar 3
6. Chrono Trigger (DS)
7. Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen
8. Devil May Cry 5
9. Disco Elysium
10. Fallout New Vegas
11. Front Mission 3
12. Hollow Knight
13. Katamari Damacy
14. Kentucky Route Zero
15. Laser Squad Nemesis
16. Left 4 Dead 2
17. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
18. Mario Kart: Double Dash
19. Marvel vs Capcom 2
20. Mechwarrior 2: Mercenaries
21. Nethack
22. Outer Wilds
23. Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
24. Pathologic 2
25. Persona 3 Portable
26. Rock Band 3
27. Secret of Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge
28. Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
29. Shadow of the Colossus
30. Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
31. Silent Hill 2
32. Sims 3
33. Sleeping Dogs
34. Sonic 3 & Knuckles
35. Star Control 2: The Ur-Quan Masters
36. Starcraft
37. Stardew Valley
38. Super Metroid
39. Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror
40. System Shock 2
41. Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together (2010)
42. Tetris (Game Boy)
43. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
44. The House in Fata Morgana
45. Tie Fighter
46. Tony Hawk's Underground
47. Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
48. UFO: Enemy Unknown / XCOM: UFO Defense (1994)
49. Vagrant Story
50. Yakuza 5
    

Captain Inertia

I can’t keep up on mobile

Captain Inertia

I guess Bushido Blade waits 75 pages or so

ph blake

So how do we feel about Tie Fighter as opposed to say, X-Wing vs Tie Fighter?

UnbrokenEva

Captain Inertia wrote: »

I guess Bushido Blade waits 75 pages or so

If it is to be done correctly, Bushido Blade makes the list with a single cut on page 100

Mr Sparkles

Inquisitor wrote: »

Why would you replace Starsiege with Mechwarrior 2? Why not replace a different, inferior, non-mech game? We will never have a hostile mech takeover of the entire list at this rate.

Also did you mean MechWarrior 2: 31st Century Combat or MechWarrior 2: Mercenaries Mr Sparkles?

When I posted it last night, I was thinking 31st Century Combat. It's been a decade since I played it and I can still recite the clan wolf intro speech from memory.

I bow to the will of the council though. Mercenaries was the better game.

Madican

I have a Tales game knife earmarked for Page 99 and if I have to I'll pick a number at random

Bluedude152

Short list for cuts Imo

Burnout 3: Takedown
Laser Squad Nemesis
Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
Sleeping Dogs
Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror
Tie Fighter

Daypigeon

i've already gone in on one "remove kojima from a kojima series*" game so i might as well do the big one too

remove Devil May Cry V
add Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance

I think this is a pretty easy comparison to make, right? They're both fun, high-intensity stylish action games that are gameplay successors to the earlier devil may crys, with stories that try to balance goofiness and more serious new character arcs for the series' respective secondary protagonists (feat. white hair, future tech prosthetic limbs, identity crises, wives no longer allowed onscreen).

And like I'm not gonna say DMCV is bad but god. Remember Rising Revengeance's boss fights (and boss fight themes, an integral part of those)? Remember that shit? DMCV finishes with a very strong bossfight for sure, but like, the comparison. MGR:R starts with the Rules of Nature fight and gets wilder from there. It's like minute three

additionally, as character action gimmicks go "CUT THEM IN HALF CUT THEM IN HALF CUT THEM CUT THEM CUT THEM" is more fun and characterful than Nero's steamer trunk full of arms. That's just how it is.

1. Baldur’s Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
2. Burnout 3: Takedown
3. Castlevania: Lords of Shadow
4. Celeste
5. Caesar 3
6. Chrono Trigger (DS)
7. Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen
8. Disco Elysium
9. Fallout New Vegas
10. Front Mission 3
11. Hollow Knight
12. Katamari Damacy
13. Kentucky Route Zero
14. Laser Squad Nemesis
15. Left 4 Dead 2
16. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
17. Mario Kart: Double Dash
18. Marvel vs Capcom 2
19. Mechwarrior 2: Mercenaries
20. Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
21. Nethack
22. Outer Wilds
23. Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
24. Pathologic 2
25. Persona 3 Portable
26. Rock Band 3
27. Secret of Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge
28. Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
29. Shadow of the Colossus
30. Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
31. Silent Hill 2
32. Sims 3
33. Sleeping Dogs
34. Sonic 3 & Knuckles
35. Star Control 2: The Ur-Quan Masters
36. Starcraft
37. Stardew Valley
38. Super Metroid
39. Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror
40. System Shock 2
41. Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together (2010)
42. Tetris (Game Boy)
43. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
44. The House in Fata Morgana
45. Tie Fighter
46. Tony Hawk's Underground
47. Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
48. UFO: Enemy Unknown / XCOM: UFO Defense (1994)
49. Vagrant Story
50. Yakuza 5

* so fun fact, I forgot it when I was posting about Zone of the Enders earlier, but Fist of Mars literally ends with a "Revolver Ocelot calls...Mr. President" style conversation. what a game.

ZeroCow

UnbrokenEva wrote: »

Captain Inertia wrote: »

I guess Bushido Blade waits 75 pages or so

If it is to be done correctly, Bushido Blade makes the list with a single cut on page 100

The classic run, turn, and slash.

Fishman

ph blake wrote: »

So how do we feel about Tie Fighter as opposed to say, X-Wing vs Tie Fighter?

There's generally a foot in both camps when it comes up. I personally never had the crew to get anything out of Vs., so it's always been a big fat goose egg for me.
Tie Fighter, on the other hand, was a well crafted and fun experience, and one of the first games to really explore the motivations of the 'bad' guys from a kind of positive perspective, which I liked.
It literally changed my opinion on the role of the empire in my favourite movie series, enriching my experience of the media, which is a pretty decent achievement.
But I also wouldn't have thrown it out so early if I didn't think it deserved to be at least debated.

mrpaku

@WeedLordVegeta should suddenly flip the script on about page 75 and announce that placement on the list will be based on a game's number of appearances/votes in the thread to the present moment, throwing out the current list and causing a mad scramble/reassessment

Fishman

Bluedude152 wrote: »

Short list for cuts Imo

Burnout 3: Takedown
Laser Squad Nemesis
Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
Sleeping Dogs
Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror
Tie Fighter

The driving game aficionados will come for you if you cut the only representative game on the list. Unless you're putting in another driving game, of course.

Laser Squad Nemesis, on the other hand, is inferior to UFO/X-com, and Tactics Ogre is also on the list as a turn-based tactics game, so I can't fault you there.

The rest is... negotiable.

UnbrokenEva

Remove: Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror
Add: Escape Velocity: Nova

The absolute perfect synthesis of Pirates! and Elite/Privateer/Freelancer/etc, criminally underrated because it was a Mac game first

Baldur’s Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
Burnout 3: Takedown
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow
Celeste
Caesar 3
Chrono Trigger (DS)
Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen
Disco Elysium
Escape Velocity: Nova
Fallout New Vegas
Front Mission 3
Hollow Knight
Katamari Damacy
Kentucky Route Zero
Laser Squad Nemesis
Left 4 Dead 2
Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Mario Kart: Double Dash
Marvel vs Capcom 2
Mechwarrior 2: Mercenaries
Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
Nethack
Outer Wilds
Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
Pathologic 2
Persona 3 Portable
Rock Band 3
Secret of Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge
Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
Shadow of the Colossus
Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
Silent Hill 2
Sims 3
Sleeping Dogs
Sonic 3 & Knuckles
Star Control 2: The Ur-Quan Masters
Starcraft
Stardew Valley
Super Metroid
System Shock 2
Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together (2010)
Tetris (Game Boy)
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
The House in Fata Morgana
Tie Fighter
Tony Hawk's Underground
Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
UFO: Enemy Unknown / XCOM: UFO Defense (1994)
Vagrant Story
Yakuza 5

Elderlycrawfish

Syphon Filter won't last long, but that was a great PSP game that is completely elevated to incredible if you had some buddies to play against.

Madican

Bunch of Robert Listons in here amputating the list tags in their enthusiasm

UnbrokenEva

Elderlycrawfish wrote: »

Syphon Filter won't last long, but that was a great PSP game that is completely elevated to incredible if you had some buddies to play against.

:evil:

WeedLordVegeta

the thing this thread is doing is revealing how easy it is to keep your scope of awareness narrower than you realize

UnbrokenEva

Madican wrote: »

Bunch of Robert Listons in here amputating the list tags in their enthusiasm

copy/pasting doesn't copy tags, and is easier on mobile than quoting and cutting out the previous poster's extra text

Madican

WeedLordVegeta wrote: »

the thing this thread is doing is revealing how easy it is to keep your scope of awareness narrower than you realize

I fully acknowledge my scope is "basically JRPGs with some exceptions"

Poorochondriac

Yeah we're real light on RTSes, what should I cut to put Brutal Legend on

Virgil_Leads_You

I'm curious what folks thoughts are for the vanias, re: Super Metroid and Castlevania

miscellaneousinsanity

Speed Racer wrote: »

Indie Winter wrote: »

I am not going to just remove it, but is there any reason why Katamari Damacy is on there instead of Katamari Damacy 2 (We Love Katamari)?

it's objectively the better game, but I can see an argument for the splash the original Katamari made counting for more; I'm just not sure if that beats the gameplay improvements of the sequel

I'm with you on this, but I don't think as many people played We . The original is the one with all the name recognition

But if you wanted to do the cut I would support it

oh for quality of life improvements and level creativity we love katamari is absolutely the better game, but there was something just so magical and all encompassing about being a young teen and my older brother bringing home and booting up a game i had never heard of, and it being such a standout delight unlike anything i'd ever experienced, that it couldn't not be the one i nominated for the list

i do think that the original's OST handily has the edge over the sequel, and while we love katamari's backstory cutscenes are a lot of fun there's something to be said for the hoshino family storyline and how we get another perspective as you tear through the levels (and "oh! i feel it. i feel the cosmos" is an all-timer)

we love katamari offers plenty to make a case for itself though, i'm willing to meet people in the middle and spring for Katamari Forever

ph blake

I'm trying to figure out what I can cut for a Monster Hunter game that it might actually stick around for a bit.

Thinking Persona 3 Portable cause JRPG saturation, despite it having the better MC than vanilla P3.

Lasbrook

Virgil_Leads_You wrote: »

I'm curious what folks thoughts are for the vanias, re: Super Metroid and Castlevania

That it’s been bugging me since Dread came out when people refer to Metroid games as metroidvanias?

Shorty

Virgil_Leads_You wrote: »

I'm curious what folks thoughts are for the vanias, re: Super Metroid and Castlevania

firstly the notion that Lords of Shadow belongs on any all-time best list is ludicrous, let alone over any of the Igavanias

MegaMan001

I thought Katamari sucked and was boring. But there was a solid like three month period where everyone on my dorm floor was playing it nonstop. I feel it belongs even though it was and is not for me

MegaMan001

ph blake wrote: »

I'm trying to figure out what I can cut for a Monster Hunter game that it might actually stick around for a bit.

Thinking Persona 3 Portable cause JRPG saturation, despite it having the better MC than vanilla P3.

Monster Hunter World will rise again.

UnbrokenEva

MegaMan001 wrote: »

ph blake wrote: »

I'm trying to figure out what I can cut for a Monster Hunter game that it might actually stick around for a bit.

Thinking Persona 3 Portable cause JRPG saturation, despite it having the better MC than vanilla P3.

Monster Hunter World will rise again.

and limp sympathetically towards its lair, where it will be put down for good

ph blake

My favorite and imo the most representative of the series in MH Generations Ultimate, but no way in hell does a pre World Monster Hunter game have a chance of surviving on this list.

Matev

Shorty wrote: »

Virgil_Leads_You wrote: »

I'm curious what folks thoughts are for the vanias, re: Super Metroid and Castlevania

firstly the notion that Lords of Shadow belongs on any all-time best list is ludicrous, let alone over any of the Igavanias

Correct, so I'm putting my pet Igavania on here, much as I liked what Lords of Shadow was trying to do at the time. Cut me, ye bastids!

Remove: Castlevania Lords of Shadow
Add: Castlevania Portrait of Ruin

Baldur’s Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
Burnout 3: Takedown
Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin
Celeste
Caesar 3
Chrono Trigger (DS)
Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen
Disco Elysium
Escape Velocity: Nova
Fallout New Vegas
Front Mission 3
Hollow Knight
Katamari Damacy
Kentucky Route Zero
Laser Squad Nemesis
Left 4 Dead 2
Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Mario Kart: Double Dash
Marvel vs Capcom 2
Mechwarrior 2: Mercenaries
Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
Nethack
Outer Wilds
Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
Pathologic 2
Persona 3 Portable
Rock Band 3
Secret of Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge
Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
Shadow of the Colossus
Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
Silent Hill 2
Sims 3
Sleeping Dogs
Sonic 3 & Knuckles
Star Control 2: The Ur-Quan Masters
Starcraft
Stardew Valley
Super Metroid
System Shock 2
Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together (2010)
Tetris (Game Boy)
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
The House in Fata Morgana
Tie Fighter
Tony Hawk's Underground
Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
UFO: Enemy Unknown / XCOM: UFO Defense (1994)
Vagrant Story
Yakuza 5

Polaritie

MegaMan001 wrote: »

ph blake wrote: »

I'm trying to figure out what I can cut for a Monster Hunter game that it might actually stick around for a bit.

Thinking Persona 3 Portable cause JRPG saturation, despite it having the better MC than vanilla P3.

Monster Hunter World will Rise again.

I think there's plenty of games on the list I'd cut over P3P, tbh.