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In keeping with the movie themed thread titles, the climate change thread is back. In the last thread I think we were able to establish a few points where we all agree. Climate change is bad. It's being caused by humans. Currently humans are doing little to abate the anthropocene extinction event currently going on. There is some small hope. New renewable energy generation has become cheaper to build than new fossil fuel generation in some industrializing economies like India and China. Electric vehicles are set to vastly displace internal combustion engine vehicles while enjoying the benefits of cheap clean renewable energy. Humans were once standing at a knife's edge. Now we've tipped over and are carrining downhill into extinction. It's up to the new generation to see just how bad it's going to be and just how much we can negate the effects.
Can be a bit glib about all of this, but if anyone has useful mental health resource links to add to the OP I'll gladly include them. Will admit not feeling too great after some of stuff that gets posted here.
Just pulling this thought over from the Ukraine thread
Apparently French reactors are shut down because the river water they use for cooling reactors is either too low (drought) or too warm (hotter summers)
And so they have to import dirtier energy from Germany
……mother fuck
Gotta love fucking up the environment so bad our non-fossil-fuel power generation doesn’t work
We wouldn't have to ration if prices ticked up to a reasonable level for business use instead of being propped up by the state. I think water in drought plagued California was around $5/750 gallons. Checked just now and it's around there. It goes up to $8 with heavy use for residentials in my county but business users are always a flat $5.50/CFF regardless of use level.
It's criminally cheap, honestly. $500 to throw 75,000 gallons away on ???
There is not a human consumption water problem. It's entirely industrial and agricultural, and theyre getting subsidized.
See if you can spot domestic use (It's actually rolled up in public supply with business use, sort of uhhelpful it isnt broken out but the charts good enough)
Just pulling this thought over from the Ukraine thread
Apparently French reactors are shut down because the river water they use for cooling reactors is either too low (drought) or too warm (hotter summers)
And so they have to import dirtier energy from Germany
……mother fuck
Gotta love fucking up the environment so bad our non-fossil-fuel power generation doesn’t work
Sorry. I don't see that in the ukraine thread, would you mind copying the link?
The few things I found googling were speculative or about temporary imports that serm to be more transitory pricing making it cheaper to import. An interesting thing is that the big towers most people associate with nuclear plants are based on evaporative cooling, which doesn't depend on large volumes of water passing by, recovers some of the water used, and isn't very sensitive to the water temperature. It should also allow for local reservoirs to supply the water rather than rivers. Some water is lost to evaporation and must be replaced, but that should be somewhat predictable and built into reservoir size. Like anything else, extreme temperatures may overwhelm the system, but it's supposed to be somewhat resilient-
A Dartmouth study claims to have develop a method to associate emissions to economic losses, at least across countries. Not sure if there is a way to turn this into a legal process to attemp to recoup losses, unless it can be made targetted enough that individual corporations can then be made to pay fines, or just additional fees to operate in the affected countries based on their emissions.
My mother-in-law isn't exactly a denialist, but more of a bad-but-not-that-bad person. Her current view on the coming UK heatwave is that there was a heatwave in the 70s and they Just Happen.
Nevermind that the recordsetting temperature in that heatwave was a mere 36c. The average temperature in the coming heatwave is going to be around 37c.
In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god’s blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.
"Once in a lifetime event just keeps happening" states baffled reporter.
I remember, some years ago, during yet another heatwave that we broke the record for Hottest Day On Record for our country. It was a record that had stood for about 80 years.
This brand new record was broken the very next day.
I think that's when I mentally switched from 'climate change is going to happen' to 'climate change is happening'.
"Once in a lifetime event just keeps happening" states baffled reporter.
I remember, some years ago, during yet another heatwave that we broke the record for Hottest Day On Record for our country. It was a record that had stood for about 80 years.
This brand new record was broken the very next day.
I think that's when I mentally switched from 'climate change is going to happen' to 'climate change is happening'.
IIRC you have to be over 100 years old to know a time without climate change. The effects have just been subtle enough we generally could ignore it till now.
And we’ve known about it for about as long, but everyone buried or discredited the theory because admitting it was happening would’ve been bad for business.
My mother-in-law isn't exactly a denialist, but more of a bad-but-not-that-bad person. Her current view on the coming UK heatwave is that there was a heatwave in the 70s and they Just Happen.
Nevermind that the recordsetting temperature in that heatwave was a mere 36c. The average temperature in the coming heatwave is going to be around 37c.
Yep, just one of those things - that's why the UK has next to no preparation/infrastructure for it and next to no UK residents have air conditioning, because it just happens so often.
Air con is crazier than that, it seems people seem to internalise the idea that they live in a hot/temperate/cold country.
The US is hot, air con is everywhere. UK is cold, we have central heating but not air con. Australia is hot, so definitely air con, probably not central heating even if you live in Melbourne which gets colder than the UK does.
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The US is big enough that it changes. Around where I live, no one has aircon
Air con is crazier than that, it seems people seem to internalise the idea that they live in a hot/temperate/cold country.
The US is hot, air con is everywhere. UK is cold, we have central heating but not air con. Australia is hot, so definitely air con, probably not central heating even if you live in Melbourne which gets colder than the UK does.
America is crazy because you get very similar styles of house no matter which state you are in- there is no building for the environment when you can just AC the environment away. Where are the Qanats and wind catchers and awnings over windows and exterior shutters, and central courtyards.
In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god’s blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.
Air con is crazier than that, it seems people seem to internalise the idea that they live in a hot/temperate/cold country.
The US is hot, air con is everywhere. UK is cold, we have central heating but not air con. Australia is hot, so definitely air con, probably not central heating even if you live in Melbourne which gets colder than the UK does.
America is crazy because you get very similar styles of house no matter which state you are in- there is no building for the environment when you can just AC the environment away. Where are the Qanats and wind catchers and awnings over windows and exterior shutters, and central courtyards.
There's also issues where home builders skimp on insulation and windows in the warm parts of the country because insulation just keeps heat in which is... not how insulation works.
It's apparently getting better but the number of homes in the southeast/south/southwest that were built with little to no insulation is kind of mind boggling.
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An Edinburgh-based research team fears plankton, the tiny organisms that sustain life in our seas, has all but been wiped out after spending two years collecting water samples from the Atlantic.
The landmark research blames chemical pollution from plastics, farm fertilisers and pharmaceuticals in the water. Previously, it was thought the amount of plankton had halved since the 1940s, but the evidence gathered by the Scots suggest 90% has now vanished.
Someone please tell me this is all nonsense and there's some data that shows this to not be the case and this is just a bullshit sensationalist popsci news article looking for clicks.
Which doesn't seem to be published anywhere by my most cursory look. So the article seems to be wrong, and based on some research which I dunno I'm not a marine biologist.
I mean everything's going to shit but as far as thing specific thing at least the headline seems wrong?
It's an embedded video, so I can't link it directly but what a show. 'Stop being such a downer, hot weather is great!'
"I don't know whether something's happened to meteorologists to make you all a little bit fatalistic, harbingers of doom"
uhhhhh
they can see the evidence, they know what's happening, and they know what's likely to happen in the immediate future and over the rest of their lifetimes...
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I don’t understand how those people can remain so willfully ignorant. Presumably they often have kids or younger relatives they’d want to be able to keep living (as in surviving) into the future.
I don’t understand how those people can remain so willfully ignorant. Presumably they often have kids or younger relatives they’d want to be able to keep living (as in surviving) into the future.
Having to take chances and make sacrifices is more terrifying to them than their kids having to do so.
I don’t understand how those people can remain so willfully ignorant. Presumably they often have kids or younger relatives they’d want to be able to keep living (as in surviving) into the future.
I think that behaviour people display e.g. with regard to getting rid of student loans also factors in.
"My life was hard, now you're asking me to bear another indignity, this isn't fair!"
Some people just aren't species oriented. If it isn't going to make their lives better then mehm not interested.
I don’t understand how those people can remain so willfully ignorant. Presumably they often have kids or younger relatives they’d want to be able to keep living (as in surviving) into the future.
Never argue with a man whose job depends on not being convinced. It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.
Announced in September 2020 and launched in June 2021, the channel was founded with £60 million in funding, the majority of which was provided by American television conglomerate Discovery, Inc., Dubai-based investment firm Legatum,[1][2] and British investor Sir Paul Marshall. It was set up with the aim of broadcasting "original news, opinion and debate", with a mix of news coverage and opinion-based content. GB News is right-wing on political issues.[3][4][5][6][7]
They’re paid to be that way, and think their wealth is going to buoy them through the hell and provide enough insulation that it’s just the rabble who’ll suffer, not them. What’s a few shells cracked and tossed in the bin if it means at the end you get all of these luxurious soufflés?
GB News has miniscule viewing figures and shouldn't be taken as emblematic of anything. Telling it's mostly aged, stupid audience to ignore safety warnings only decreases their viewing figures as out of breath pensioners slowly collapse in the sun, shaking a fist at an imaginary conspiracy.
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Apparently French reactors are shut down because the river water they use for cooling reactors is either too low (drought) or too warm (hotter summers)
And so they have to import dirtier energy from Germany
……mother fuck
Gotta love fucking up the environment so bad our non-fossil-fuel power generation doesn’t work
They don't require farm or industry levels of water but it's still way more than the average person.
It's criminally cheap, honestly. $500 to throw 75,000 gallons away on ???
There is not a human consumption water problem. It's entirely industrial and agricultural, and theyre getting subsidized.
See if you can spot domestic use (It's actually rolled up in public supply with business use, sort of uhhelpful it isnt broken out but the charts good enough)
source: 2015 USGS numbers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Fear
We all should spit on Michael Crichtons' grave.
Sorry. I don't see that in the ukraine thread, would you mind copying the link?
Yep, just read about a plot to create a tsunami to convince everyone of the dangers of Global Warming. Now my ears are bleeding.
What a hack.
Crichton would probably be calling himself a rational skeptic and wanting to see better science as Hy-Brasil sinks under him.
Now I See were Tom Clancy, who wasn't a doctor but a Real Estate agent turned author, got his stich from.
Also that "State of Fear" sounds Clancy as fuck for a title too.
https://home.dartmouth.edu/news/2022/07/study-shows-economic-impacts-greenhouse-gas-emissions
(the mock report)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGXcwQRgayU
Not the only time this mock prediction was done either, the Met Office did it for the UK a few years ago too.
Met Office now stressing that we could see some new records set this coming week in the UK.
Nevermind that the recordsetting temperature in that heatwave was a mere 36c. The average temperature in the coming heatwave is going to be around 37c.
Before I'd assume, given Cambridgeshire is expecting to hit 40.
I remember, some years ago, during yet another heatwave that we broke the record for Hottest Day On Record for our country. It was a record that had stood for about 80 years.
This brand new record was broken the very next day.
I think that's when I mentally switched from 'climate change is going to happen' to 'climate change is happening'.
IIRC you have to be over 100 years old to know a time without climate change. The effects have just been subtle enough we generally could ignore it till now.
Yep, just one of those things - that's why the UK has next to no preparation/infrastructure for it and next to no UK residents have air conditioning, because it just happens so often.
The US is hot, air con is everywhere. UK is cold, we have central heating but not air con. Australia is hot, so definitely air con, probably not central heating even if you live in Melbourne which gets colder than the UK does.
America is crazy because you get very similar styles of house no matter which state you are in- there is no building for the environment when you can just AC the environment away. Where are the Qanats and wind catchers and awnings over windows and exterior shutters, and central courtyards.
There's also issues where home builders skimp on insulation and windows in the warm parts of the country because insulation just keeps heat in which is... not how insulation works.
It's apparently getting better but the number of homes in the southeast/south/southwest that were built with little to no insulation is kind of mind boggling.
Someone please tell me this is all nonsense and there's some data that shows this to not be the case and this is just a bullshit sensationalist popsci news article looking for clicks.
The article here links to:
https://www.goesfoundation.com/
which says that, which I think is in this report?
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3860950
Which doesn't seem to be published anywhere by my most cursory look. So the article seems to be wrong, and based on some research which I dunno I'm not a marine biologist.
I mean everything's going to shit but as far as thing specific thing at least the headline seems wrong?
https://www.reddit.com/r/ABoringDystopia/comments/w16y2b/the_uk_is_about_to_see_the_highest_ever_recorded/
It's an embedded video, so I can't link it directly but what a show. 'Stop being such a downer, hot weather is great!'
"I don't know whether something's happened to meteorologists to make you all a little bit fatalistic, harbingers of doom"
uhhhhh
they can see the evidence, they know what's happening, and they know what's likely to happen in the immediate future and over the rest of their lifetimes...
Having to take chances and make sacrifices is more terrifying to them than their kids having to do so.
I think that behaviour people display e.g. with regard to getting rid of student loans also factors in.
"My life was hard, now you're asking me to bear another indignity, this isn't fair!"
Some people just aren't species oriented. If it isn't going to make their lives better then mehm not interested.
Oh, this one’s fairly easy:
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They’re paid to be that way, and think their wealth is going to buoy them through the hell and provide enough insulation that it’s just the rabble who’ll suffer, not them. What’s a few shells cracked and tossed in the bin if it means at the end you get all of these luxurious soufflés?
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For whatever reason reddit actually let me keep reading that sub without using the app and man is it depressing in a depressing way.
Old Reddit redirect. Old.reddit.com is much better.
It's 28c in my house with the windows and blackout blinds closed, feels like an oven outside. Surprising tolerable.