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[Climate Change] Do Look Up

KarozKaroz Registered User regular
edited July 2022 in Debate and/or Discourse
That_Guy wrote:
In keeping with the movie themed thread titles, the climate change thread is back. In the last thread I think we were able to establish a few points where we all agree. Climate change is bad. It's being caused by humans. Currently humans are doing little to abate the anthropocene extinction event currently going on. There is some small hope. New renewable energy generation has become cheaper to build than new fossil fuel generation in some industrializing economies like India and China. Electric vehicles are set to vastly displace internal combustion engine vehicles while enjoying the benefits of cheap clean renewable energy. Humans were once standing at a knife's edge. Now we've tipped over and are carrining downhill into extinction. It's up to the new generation to see just how bad it's going to be and just how much we can negate the effects.

UN Climate Change Report 2021

Can be a bit glib about all of this, but if anyone has useful mental health resource links to add to the OP I'll gladly include them. Will admit not feeling too great after some of stuff that gets posted here.

Also taking recommendations for thread title.

Previous thread: Climate change where every storm is perfect

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Central OhioRegistered User regular
    edited July 2022
    Just pulling this thought over from the Ukraine thread

    Apparently French reactors are shut down because the river water they use for cooling reactors is either too low (drought) or too warm (hotter summers)

    And so they have to import dirtier energy from Germany

    ……mother fuck

    Gotta love fucking up the environment so bad our non-fossil-fuel power generation doesn’t work

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  • KarozKaroz Registered User regular
    edited July 2022
    Being a dialysis nurse, all my patients are gonna be proper fucked when the water rationing comes.

    They don't require farm or industry levels of water but it's still way more than the average person.

    Karoz on
  • TuminTumin Registered User regular
    edited July 2022
    We wouldn't have to ration if prices ticked up to a reasonable level for business use instead of being propped up by the state. I think water in drought plagued California was around $5/750 gallons. Checked just now and it's around there. It goes up to $8 with heavy use for residentials in my county but business users are always a flat $5.50/CFF regardless of use level.

    It's criminally cheap, honestly. $500 to throw 75,000 gallons away on ???

    There is not a human consumption water problem. It's entirely industrial and agricultural, and theyre getting subsidized.

    See if you can spot domestic use (It's actually rolled up in public supply with business use, sort of uhhelpful it isnt broken out but the charts good enough)

    source: 2015 USGS numbers

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    Tumin on
  • DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    Climate change is a post cold war crisis created by the new world order to keep the military industrial machine running.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Fear

    We all should spit on Michael Crichtons' grave.

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  • AimAim Registered User regular
    Just pulling this thought over from the Ukraine thread

    Apparently French reactors are shut down because the river water they use for cooling reactors is either too low (drought) or too warm (hotter summers)

    And so they have to import dirtier energy from Germany

    ……mother fuck

    Gotta love fucking up the environment so bad our non-fossil-fuel power generation doesn’t work

    Sorry. I don't see that in the ukraine thread, would you mind copying the link?

  • AimAim Registered User regular
    The few things I found googling were speculative or about temporary imports that serm to be more transitory pricing making it cheaper to import. An interesting thing is that the big towers most people associate with nuclear plants are based on evaporative cooling, which doesn't depend on large volumes of water passing by, recovers some of the water used, and isn't very sensitive to the water temperature. It should also allow for local reservoirs to supply the water rather than rivers. Some water is lost to evaporation and must be replaced, but that should be somewhat predictable and built into reservoir size. Like anything else, extreme temperatures may overwhelm the system, but it's supposed to be somewhat resilient-

  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    Doodmann wrote: »
    Climate change is a post cold war crisis created by the new world order to keep the military industrial machine running.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Fear

    We all should spit on Michael Crichtons' grave.

    Yep, just read about a plot to create a tsunami to convince everyone of the dangers of Global Warming. Now my ears are bleeding.
    What a hack.

    Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    daveNYC wrote: »
    Doodmann wrote: »
    Climate change is a post cold war crisis created by the new world order to keep the military industrial machine running.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Fear

    We all should spit on Michael Crichtons' grave.

    Yep, just read about a plot to create a tsunami to convince everyone of the dangers of Global Warming. Now my ears are bleeding.
    What a hack.

    Crichton would probably be calling himself a rational skeptic and wanting to see better science as Hy-Brasil sinks under him.

  • TicaldfjamTicaldfjam Snoqualmie, WARegistered User regular
    daveNYC wrote: »
    Doodmann wrote: »
    Climate change is a post cold war crisis created by the new world order to keep the military industrial machine running.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Fear

    We all should spit on Michael Crichtons' grave.

    Yep, just read about a plot to create a tsunami to convince everyone of the dangers of Global Warming. Now my ears are bleeding.
    What a hack.

    Now I See were Tom Clancy, who wasn't a doctor but a Real Estate agent turned author, got his stich from.

    Also that "State of Fear" sounds Clancy as fuck for a title too.

  • AimAim Registered User regular
    A Dartmouth study claims to have develop a method to associate emissions to economic losses, at least across countries. Not sure if there is a way to turn this into a legal process to attemp to recoup losses, unless it can be made targetted enough that individual corporations can then be made to pay fines, or just additional fees to operate in the affected countries based on their emissions.

    https://home.dartmouth.edu/news/2022/07/study-shows-economic-impacts-greenhouse-gas-emissions

  • DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    Let us boldly speed into the future



    (the mock report)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGXcwQRgayU

    Not the only time this mock prediction was done either, the Met Office did it for the UK a few years ago too.



    Met Office now stressing that we could see some new records set this coming week in the UK.

  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    ohhhhhhh we're fucked. :disappointed:

  • AntinumericAntinumeric Registered User regular
    My mother-in-law isn't exactly a denialist, but more of a bad-but-not-that-bad person. Her current view on the coming UK heatwave is that there was a heatwave in the 70s and they Just Happen.

    Nevermind that the recordsetting temperature in that heatwave was a mere 36c. The average temperature in the coming heatwave is going to be around 37c.

    In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god’s blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.
  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Central OhioRegistered User regular
    Is that 39 for London before or after the urban heat amplifying effect

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  • KarozKaroz Registered User regular
    "Once in a lifetime event just keeps happening" states baffled reporter.

  • TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    Is that 39 for London before or after the urban heat amplifying effect

    Before I'd assume, given Cambridgeshire is expecting to hit 40.

  • WotanAnubisWotanAnubis Registered User regular
    Karoz wrote: »
    "Once in a lifetime event just keeps happening" states baffled reporter.

    I remember, some years ago, during yet another heatwave that we broke the record for Hottest Day On Record for our country. It was a record that had stood for about 80 years.

    This brand new record was broken the very next day.

    I think that's when I mentally switched from 'climate change is going to happen' to 'climate change is happening'.

  • KarozKaroz Registered User regular
    Karoz wrote: »
    "Once in a lifetime event just keeps happening" states baffled reporter.

    I remember, some years ago, during yet another heatwave that we broke the record for Hottest Day On Record for our country. It was a record that had stood for about 80 years.

    This brand new record was broken the very next day.

    I think that's when I mentally switched from 'climate change is going to happen' to 'climate change is happening'.

    IIRC you have to be over 100 years old to know a time without climate change. The effects have just been subtle enough we generally could ignore it till now.

  • SleepSleep Registered User regular
    And we’ve known about it for about as long, but everyone buried or discredited the theory because admitting it was happening would’ve been bad for business.

  • DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist I swear! Registered User regular
    Most people have really poor memories and will insist this is no different from their childhood

    "Simple, real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time." -Mustrum Ridcully in Terry Pratchett's Hogfather p. 142 (HarperPrism 1996)
  • DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    My mother-in-law isn't exactly a denialist, but more of a bad-but-not-that-bad person. Her current view on the coming UK heatwave is that there was a heatwave in the 70s and they Just Happen.

    Nevermind that the recordsetting temperature in that heatwave was a mere 36c. The average temperature in the coming heatwave is going to be around 37c.

    Yep, just one of those things - that's why the UK has next to no preparation/infrastructure for it and next to no UK residents have air conditioning, because it just happens so often.

  • TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    Air con is crazier than that, it seems people seem to internalise the idea that they live in a hot/temperate/cold country.

    The US is hot, air con is everywhere. UK is cold, we have central heating but not air con. Australia is hot, so definitely air con, probably not central heating even if you live in Melbourne which gets colder than the UK does.

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    The US is big enough that it changes. Around where I live, no one has aircon

  • AntinumericAntinumeric Registered User regular
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    Air con is crazier than that, it seems people seem to internalise the idea that they live in a hot/temperate/cold country.

    The US is hot, air con is everywhere. UK is cold, we have central heating but not air con. Australia is hot, so definitely air con, probably not central heating even if you live in Melbourne which gets colder than the UK does.

    America is crazy because you get very similar styles of house no matter which state you are in- there is no building for the environment when you can just AC the environment away. Where are the Qanats and wind catchers and awnings over windows and exterior shutters, and central courtyards.

    In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god’s blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.
  • HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    Air con is crazier than that, it seems people seem to internalise the idea that they live in a hot/temperate/cold country.

    The US is hot, air con is everywhere. UK is cold, we have central heating but not air con. Australia is hot, so definitely air con, probably not central heating even if you live in Melbourne which gets colder than the UK does.

    America is crazy because you get very similar styles of house no matter which state you are in- there is no building for the environment when you can just AC the environment away. Where are the Qanats and wind catchers and awnings over windows and exterior shutters, and central courtyards.

    There's also issues where home builders skimp on insulation and windows in the warm parts of the country because insulation just keeps heat in which is... not how insulation works.

    It's apparently getting better but the number of homes in the southeast/south/southwest that were built with little to no insulation is kind of mind boggling.

  • TraceTrace GNU Terry Pratchett; GNU Gus; GNU Carrie Fisher; GNU Adam We Registered User regular
    https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/humanity-will-not-survive-extinction-of-most-marine-plants-and-animals/
    An Edinburgh-based research team fears plankton, the tiny organisms that sustain life in our seas, has all but been wiped out after spending two years collecting water samples from the Atlantic.

    The landmark research blames chemical pollution from plastics, farm fertilisers and pharmaceuticals in the water. Previously, it was thought the amount of plankton had halved since the 1940s, but the evidence gathered by the Scots suggest 90% has now vanished.

    Someone please tell me this is all nonsense and there's some data that shows this to not be the case and this is just a bullshit sensationalist popsci news article looking for clicks.

  • KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    I believe the actual report says 90% are projected to be gone by 2045.

    The article here links to:
    https://www.goesfoundation.com/
    which says that, which I think is in this report?
    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3860950

    Which doesn't seem to be published anywhere by my most cursory look. So the article seems to be wrong, and based on some research which I dunno I'm not a marine biologist.

    I mean everything's going to shit but as far as thing specific thing at least the headline seems wrong?

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Never, ever take science reporting as accurate without looking up the studies. Journalists hate reporting actual facts.

  • ApogeeApogee Lancks In Every Game Ever Registered User regular
    There's a video making the rounds on Reddit showing the recent 40c forecast for much of England, and how the news anchors there are basically doing the morning news scene from Don't Look Up in real life:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ABoringDystopia/comments/w16y2b/the_uk_is_about_to_see_the_highest_ever_recorded/

    It's an embedded video, so I can't link it directly but what a show. 'Stop being such a downer, hot weather is great!'

  • danxdanx Registered User regular
    That's GB News. They are awful so it's entirely expected. They're basically an attempt to start a UK version of fox news.

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  • DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist I swear! Registered User regular
    Up here in Massachusetts people often complain about snow storms forgetting that there used to be more around here.

    "Simple, real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time." -Mustrum Ridcully in Terry Pratchett's Hogfather p. 142 (HarperPrism 1996)
  • LucedesLucedes Registered User regular
    Apogee wrote: »
    There's a video making the rounds on Reddit showing the recent 40c forecast for much of England, and how the news anchors there are basically doing the morning news scene from Don't Look Up in real life:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ABoringDystopia/comments/w16y2b/the_uk_is_about_to_see_the_highest_ever_recorded/

    It's an embedded video, so I can't link it directly but what a show. 'Stop being such a downer, hot weather is great!'

    "I don't know whether something's happened to meteorologists to make you all a little bit fatalistic, harbingers of doom"

    uhhhhh

    they can see the evidence, they know what's happening, and they know what's likely to happen in the immediate future and over the rest of their lifetimes...

  • HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    I don’t understand how those people can remain so willfully ignorant. Presumably they often have kids or younger relatives they’d want to be able to keep living (as in surviving) into the future.

    PSN: Honkalot
  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Honk wrote: »
    I don’t understand how those people can remain so willfully ignorant. Presumably they often have kids or younger relatives they’d want to be able to keep living (as in surviving) into the future.

    Having to take chances and make sacrifices is more terrifying to them than their kids having to do so.

  • evilthecatevilthecat Registered User regular
    Honk wrote: »
    I don’t understand how those people can remain so willfully ignorant. Presumably they often have kids or younger relatives they’d want to be able to keep living (as in surviving) into the future.

    I think that behaviour people display e.g. with regard to getting rid of student loans also factors in.
    "My life was hard, now you're asking me to bear another indignity, this isn't fair!"

    Some people just aren't species oriented. If it isn't going to make their lives better then mehm not interested.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited July 2022
    Honk wrote: »
    I don’t understand how those people can remain so willfully ignorant. Presumably they often have kids or younger relatives they’d want to be able to keep living (as in surviving) into the future.


    Oh, this one’s fairly easy:
    Never argue with a man whose job depends on not being convinced. It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.
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    Announced in September 2020 and launched in June 2021, the channel was founded with £60 million in funding, the majority of which was provided by American television conglomerate Discovery, Inc., Dubai-based investment firm Legatum,[1][2] and British investor Sir Paul Marshall. It was set up with the aim of broadcasting "original news, opinion and debate", with a mix of news coverage and opinion-based content. GB News is right-wing on political issues.[3][4][5][6][7]


    They’re paid to be that way, and think their wealth is going to buoy them through the hell and provide enough insulation that it’s just the rabble who’ll suffer, not them. What’s a few shells cracked and tossed in the bin if it means at the end you get all of these luxurious soufflés?

    Lanz on
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  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    GB News has miniscule viewing figures and shouldn't be taken as emblematic of anything. Telling it's mostly aged, stupid audience to ignore safety warnings only decreases their viewing figures as out of breath pensioners slowly collapse in the sun, shaking a fist at an imaginary conspiracy.

  • EinzelEinzel Registered User regular
    Apogee wrote: »
    There's a video making the rounds on Reddit showing the recent 40c forecast for much of England, and how the news anchors there are basically doing the morning news scene from Don't Look Up in real life:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ABoringDystopia/comments/w16y2b/the_uk_is_about_to_see_the_highest_ever_recorded/

    It's an embedded video, so I can't link it directly but what a show. 'Stop being such a downer, hot weather is great!'

    For whatever reason reddit actually let me keep reading that sub without using the app and man is it depressing in a depressing way.

  • AntinumericAntinumeric Registered User regular
    Einzel wrote: »
    Apogee wrote: »
    There's a video making the rounds on Reddit showing the recent 40c forecast for much of England, and how the news anchors there are basically doing the morning news scene from Don't Look Up in real life:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ABoringDystopia/comments/w16y2b/the_uk_is_about_to_see_the_highest_ever_recorded/

    It's an embedded video, so I can't link it directly but what a show. 'Stop being such a downer, hot weather is great!'

    For whatever reason reddit actually let me keep reading that sub without using the app and man is it depressing in a depressing way.

    Old Reddit redirect. Old.reddit.com is much better.


    It's 28c in my house with the windows and blackout blinds closed, feels like an oven outside. Surprising tolerable.

    In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god’s blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.
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