[Game of Thrones - House of the Dragon] Some Must Choose
cj iwakura
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House of the Dragon is a new series tackling an already completed story with completely new show runners(Miguel Sapochnik, who directed some of the best episodes, and Ryan Condal), so a lot of the pratfalls from the previous series finale should (hopefully) be avoidable.
The original story comes from Fire and Blood, an exhaustive tale of the Targaryen history:
The tale circles around the Dance of the Dragons, the Targaryen civil war between Rhaenyra Targaryen and her half-brother Aegon for the throne.
While Rhaenyra is the rightful heir by account of being the oldest daughter of the previous king, Viserys, Aegon is his first son from a later marriage, whose mother believes men should have right of succession.
The series takes place 200 years before the events of Game of Thrones during the reign of King Viserys I Targaryen, ultimately leading to the Targaryen civil war known as the Dance of the Dragons.
Cast:
Trailers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DotnJ7tTA34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_4Bn4fioXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwroDWGHwy4
I think it's best to err on the side of caution and spoiler tag discussion relating to the books, unless non-readers want that to be completely off limits, so I'm open to preference.
The original story comes from Fire and Blood, an exhaustive tale of the Targaryen history:
The tale circles around the Dance of the Dragons, the Targaryen civil war between Rhaenyra Targaryen and her half-brother Aegon for the throne.
While Rhaenyra is the rightful heir by account of being the oldest daughter of the previous king, Viserys, Aegon is his first son from a later marriage, whose mother believes men should have right of succession.
The series takes place 200 years before the events of Game of Thrones during the reign of King Viserys I Targaryen, ultimately leading to the Targaryen civil war known as the Dance of the Dragons.
Cast:
Trailers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DotnJ7tTA34https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_4Bn4fioXAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwroDWGHwy4I think it's best to err on the side of caution and spoiler tag discussion relating to the books, unless non-readers want that to be completely off limits, so I'm open to preference.
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Spoiler alert: It's the same as what the ultimate message of GoT turned out to be (in fact, it narratively reinforces it quite a bit). Now you don't have to watch it anymore.
"She can't rule because she's a woman" seems about as intentional as you can get. (Though I admit my excitement was dimmed a little when I realized this wasn't about Aegon and his sisters.)
Well, they are changing some things if the trailer's any indication, so... maybe we'll see.
I mean, maybe? But could instead be
GRRM likes drawing from history; he could be drawing from the Anarchy, the civil war in England 1138–1153 over whether or not a woman could be ruler or not (answer: no).
And in fairness to ASoIaF, it's not like the men are portrayed as level-headed and rational and women as irrational monsters; badness appears to be fairly evenly spread around as I recall. I feel a lot of the hot takes are based on our own real-world misogyny (and the terrible writing of the last two seasons of GoT) more than anything else.
(I haven't read Fire and Blood, so I could be way off.)
I've read Fire and Blood, as well as The Dance of the Dragons (which this appears to be more closely based off,) and that's really not the deal.
Assuming that the show more-or-less follows the canonical ending of the Dance from F&B, the show universe will have portrayed three queens who sit the Iron Throne in their own right: Rhaenyra Targaryen, Cersei Lannister (let's ignore the interesting view the show has in regards to succession laws which made this possible) and Daenerys Targaryen. All three of them can be considered to have been 'Mad Queens'. Yes, 'Mad Kings' do exist, but decent male rulers are also shown. Where are the decent female rulers, without having to look into mythical figures which we know almost nothing about?
Oh please, then tell me what 'the deal' is? Is it Lord Acton's bullshit axiom about Power? "All power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely?". Or is it that 'it makes sense given the circumstances that she becomes a tyrant and it just so happens to be a coincidence that a significantly larger percentage of female rulers turn mad when compared to their male equivalents?'
What they did with Sansa in the show was abominable. It's a sad, sad day when the good female ruler to cheer for is the one who is implied to have become 'empowered' in part due to being raped.
The show universe is undisputably fucked and will always come across as misogynistic. I used to have some schadenfreude about that, but now I'm starting to realize that the vast majority of people probably won't care and that makes me sad.
In regards to the books, I suppose that - depending on what exactly happens in the final two volumes - it is still possible for the overarching portrayal of female rulership to merely be a very dark tragedy, rather than a straight-up confirmation of a medieval society's views on women and genetics. Unfortunately, I am growing more and more convinced that we will never see them (maybe Winds of Winter, no way Dream of Spring) so the show universe is the only one that will provide us with a 'clear' ending.
I feel kind of bad for the guy these days. It feels like he's been trying to really break out in Hollywood, but it's just not sticking. His career almost mirrors Benedict Cumberbatch. Big time star in a BBC show that goes international, tries to go full Hollywood. Only in Benedict's case he got lucky and broke through the ceiling as it were. Matty just can't seem to catch a break. And I doubt this show will be it.
Well, there's really little reason not to be... this has most of the same creative team without the showrunners that ruined GOT, this is a complete story, GRRM's fully involved, etc.
Of course the book is a maester narrating the notable events of hundreds of years of history, not an actual POV that unfolds day by day, so it really depends how well they can script it out.
Tbh, when i first saw previews, my first thought was "now that motherfucker has RTF (resting Targaryan face) "
Well, for what it's worth, I'm tentatively excited.
It's about what I expected, really. I don't think anything in the history of humankind will ever be as consistently reviled as the finale of GoT. Literally everyone I know, online and offline, despised it. These guys have their work cut out for them, and the general lukewarm reception was kind of the reason I wanted to start some positive discourse, since the show genuinely looks great, and hopefully people can put the failings of D&D behind them.
The look where he looks like he's both constipated and constantly shitting himself?
Dunno. This is, like, the third Fantasy IP that I've seen that irreparably damaged it's own value thanks to the sheer misogyny, homophobia and/or nihilism of the writers reaching a breaking point that made everybody just livid of having invested so much time and effort on it on the first place (Warcraft and Magic: The Gathering being the other two). Is not even the first TV series that had a bad ending and got erased from popular culture, see: Lost.
That said, GOT Season 8 is over and done with it. To just have to post how mad you are still about it...come on is just a TV show, let it go.
I think the breaking point with GoT was that the plot turned nonsensical and characters changed completely for no reason.
What happened to WC and M:tG?
Warcraft had their big anti-hero and one of the characters that female fans actually liked go full villain in a pointless act of destruction and mass murder against one of the other characters that female fans liked because the dude that later turned out to be a sexual harasser was for it.
M:tG had as one of the major plotlines running parallel to the big climax against the evil archvillain (that is also a dragon) a lesbian plotline between two of their protagonists and then....they backed off at the climax because executives said no since they didn't want to get in trouble with the Chinese government.
I’ll watch it as soon as it comes out, but I just can’t get excited until I see it after the show burned the mountain of goodwill I had for it in the last couple episodes (I didn’t even have a problem with the preceeesing seasons that people hated).
It’s doubly hard to get excited when the LOTR show is premiering first and is right there to compare it against.
And a few new pics:
I hope the shows gets a fair viewing. So far it looks really promising on its own merits, would be a shame if it fails because the brand is tainted.
Also, Fire and Blood hit the best seller list again according to GRRM, so I don't think the brand is in any trouble.
For all that the end was...well, people apparently did missed this ridiculous show.
A background to Hot D, without any spoilers.
Matt Smith has always looked like a total dork
Undecided on whether or not this is better than him Morbin' or not
This is one hundred percent worse than Morbin' time.
Not that it can't be good or anything. But it's like watching Titanic or Moby Dick. I know how this ends.
TBH, you probably don't really know how it ends. The story is essentially
The premise of the story very broadly, which you may consider spoilers if you are ultra sensitive.
So knowing, for example, that all these characters are dead in GOT, and knowing who is in charge, really doesn't give you much insight into what or how things go down.