Librarian's ghostLibrarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSporkRegistered Userregular
I am enjoying this brief lull where GW isn't putting out anything I want*. It helps when I am hitting a wall on finishing these Leviathan Marines. These bases are too detailed!
*I did try to pre-order the Lion but it sold out too fast. My poor Dark Angels are sad.
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I bought it from an FLGS and given how hard it is to find Sagitaurs right now, I don't think there's likely to be many spare bits for it, sadly.
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I don't think he was trying to say that there are no good individuals in 40k. The bits about the books and how most of the viewpoint characters there are people trying to figure out when to follow orders and do as their (bad) culture commands and when to do the right thing seem indicative of there being good people in bad circumstances.
Gulliman is heroic. He is pro- many good things. But he also went along with the Imperial Truth, genociding aliens for being alien and wiping out planets of humans for being not-quite-human-enough or being too friendly with aliens or just not wanting to join up with the Imperium of Man. And that's assuming that you accept that in the 40k universe being religious is inherently dangerous/bad and that the only way to deal with it is extermination, since he did some of that, too. And even if he didn't like it - I haven't read enough books about him to know whether he had any personal qualms about the Emperor's orders - he still did it, and history doesn't tend to look well on people who were "just following orders" when the orders are morally repugnant.
The issue with the video is that it has misunderstood how the Universe of 40K works, what people understand, and how Chaos interacts with it. If you watch to the end, you see how he just kinda gives the chaos gods a pass as "They are what they are, eh, whatcha gonna do?"
But, the thing he fails to characterize is that the Chaos gods in 40K exist and are real, and are intelligent, and are fundamental to reality and hate you. They aren't like, weather or an angry dog. They hate your existence. After you die, your very real immortal soul will almost certainly be consumed by them. Like, you can do a scientific experiment and prove your soul exists and that the Chaos gods want to eat it. They hate everything, and you can't get rid of them. In addition, different species have vastly different resilience to their corruption, and different value to them as food. They are a byproduct of the existence of life which is capable of being moral, and are themselves, fundamentally abhorrent to modern morality. They also mean that some species are literally better than other species, and humanity has no way to tell, and the only info they got was from the Emperor who told them "You lot are great, the other things out there? Most of them are awful. If you've got questions about that, only I can tell the difference between a good species and a bad one unfortunately"
He talks about the evils of government corruption and abuse of power, but, the universe of 40k is one in which freedom is absurdly dangerous. You can't have fair representative government reflecting the will of the people at a large scale, because thats too easy for chaos to fiddle with. What if it WAS true that there were evil and unknowable powers working behind the scenes to corrupt the masses? What if only true heroes could resist their tricks, and help others do the same? Well, then I guess we'd have to try and find 'great leaders' to rule us, and as through history we'd then end up finding good ones and bad ones, and the system based on them would tend towards corruption but, at least it would be good enough to mean we don't all get turned into chaos spawn.
40K presents the nightmare of 'what if your terrible beliefs were true, bad person. What would that be? What would that world look like'. The people in 40K are not fundamentally bad, the UNIVERSE is fundamentally bad. The Universe shows you the nightmare of bad ideas being true. It shows you what it would mean to have a world where dictatorship was the right choice. It shows you what it would mean to have a true and real hell, full of demons who hate you, and a capriscious and silent deity who only probably gives a shit about you. It shows you the nightmare of what it would mean to have a world where racism (speciesism here) was true and real. What if some races were just 'better' than others. What would that do to us? What would it mean if our neighbors really could be secretly plotting to kill us, and we had no way of knowing. What would that do to us.
Chaos creates and fosters these problems in 40K. It hates you, and creates itself FROM you. In 40K, only great heroes can lead despite this issue (what if the great leader theory was true? What would that do to us?), the Imperium before Gulliman had no great heroes who were willing to lead its body politic, only military heroes.
40K presents a satire of extrapolation. It shows all the fascists and authoritarians and rugged individualists of the world not an argument about how WRONG they are, it shows them the horror of the world we would face if they were right. The ends justifies the means, forever.
I am enjoying this brief lull where GW isn't putting out anything I want*. It helps when I am hitting a wall on finishing these Leviathan Marines. These bases are too detailed!
*I did try to pre-order the Lion but it sold out too fast. My poor Dark Angels are sad.
I literally got back into 40K painting and hobbying after 25 years so I could get and paint that Lion mini when I saw it preveiwed 6 months ago or whatever and now I'm deeply sad that I'm probably never going to get it!
I am enjoying this brief lull where GW isn't putting out anything I want*. It helps when I am hitting a wall on finishing these Leviathan Marines. These bases are too detailed!
*I did try to pre-order the Lion but it sold out too fast. My poor Dark Angels are sad.
I literally got back into 40K painting and hobbying after 25 years so I could get and paint that Lion mini when I saw it preveiwed 6 months ago or whatever and now I'm deeply sad that I'm probably never going to get it!
Pretty sure it will be back in stock. It's not a one-off.
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I forced myself to work on the marines more. Got the bases largely done but I have to wait for everything to dry up good. On;y have the decals, some minor scrolls I missed adding text too, and then ad some stirland mud to the bases a little bit to tie them into the other Dark Angels I did.
Also I need it to not be raining or hugely humid outside so I can prime all the nids. Also have the nids from the Imperium premium subscription that showed up. Seems to be a unit of genestealers, termagants (old ones), and a brood lord?
...he just kinda gives the chaos gods a pass as "They are what they are, eh, whatcha gonna do?"
I read a description of the chaos gods a while back (that I can't seem to find) that basically laid them out not as shitty themselves, but basically just as reflections of a shitty universe.
So Nurgle is the god of death and rot and all that, but he is also the god of fertility and growth. Khorne is the god of blood and murder, but he is also the god of bravery and martial strength. Tzeentch is the god of trickery and deceit, but also the god of knowledge and creativity/innovation. Slaanesh is the god of lust and excess, but also the god of self pride and joy/contentment. The gods themselves are well rounded, but since the immaterium serves as a reflection of the real universe they too serve as a reflection of the life within it. Since the universe is filled with hatred, fear, envy, and death, those are the aspects that present themselves the most in the realm of chaos, and therefore those are the aspects that are most represented in that realm's gods.
It makes them feel more fleshed out and more of a consequence of the attitudes and behaviors of the inhabitants of the Milky Way galaxy rather than just a group of Saturday morning cartoon villains.
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The big four are Defiance, Hope, Despair, and Acceptance. This is why the classic enmities are Khorne-Slaanesh and Tzeentch-Nurgle – they’re the true polar opposites. The real trick though is the Emperor sitting in the middle of the Wheel with his domain of Duty. Which straddles all four corners but doesn’t really fulfil any of them.
But yes, the reflection thing is really key to their whole existence, which is also the other reason the Emperor denied godhood; he wanted to retain his free will.
...he just kinda gives the chaos gods a pass as "They are what they are, eh, whatcha gonna do?"
I read a description of the chaos gods a while back (that I can't seem to find) that basically laid them out not as shitty themselves, but basically just as reflections of a shitty universe.
So Nurgle is the god of death and rot and all that, but he is also the god of fertility and growth. Khorne is the god of blood and murder, but he is also the god of bravery and martial strength. Tzeentch is the god of trickery and deceit, but also the god of knowledge and creativity/innovation. Slaanesh is the god of lust and excess, but also the god of self pride and joy/contentment. The gods themselves are well rounded, but since the immaterium serves as a reflection of the real universe they too serve as a reflection of the life within it. Since the universe is filled with hatred, fear, envy, and death, those are the aspects that present themselves the most in the realm of chaos, and therefore those are the aspects that are most represented in that realm's gods.
It makes them feel more fleshed out and more of a consequence of the attitudes and behaviors of the inhabitants of the Milky Way galaxy rather than just a group of Saturday morning cartoon villains.
But I think the key part there is that they are to an extent aware of what they are and what their 'counterpart' is and they know if everyone started 'behaving' they would stop being themselves and that fact is a key aspect to their existence. So the past horrors of the universe made them, but they refuse to allow us to change our ways.
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I don't think he was trying to say that there are no good individuals in 40k. The bits about the books and how most of the viewpoint characters there are people trying to figure out when to follow orders and do as their (bad) culture commands and when to do the right thing seem indicative of there being good people in bad circumstances.
Gulliman is heroic. He is pro- many good things. But he also went along with the Imperial Truth, genociding aliens for being alien and wiping out planets of humans for being not-quite-human-enough or being too friendly with aliens or just not wanting to join up with the Imperium of Man. And that's assuming that you accept that in the 40k universe being religious is inherently dangerous/bad and that the only way to deal with it is extermination, since he did some of that, too. And even if he didn't like it - I haven't read enough books about him to know whether he had any personal qualms about the Emperor's orders - he still did it, and history doesn't tend to look well on people who were "just following orders" when the orders are morally repugnant.
The issue with the video is that it has misunderstood how the Universe of 40K works, what people understand, and how Chaos interacts with it. If you watch to the end, you see how he just kinda gives the chaos gods a pass as "They are what they are, eh, whatcha gonna do?"
But, the thing he fails to characterize is that the Chaos gods in 40K exist and are real, and are intelligent, and are fundamental to reality and hate you. They aren't like, weather or an angry dog. They hate your existence. After you die, your very real immortal soul will almost certainly be consumed by them. Like, you can do a scientific experiment and prove your soul exists and that the Chaos gods want to eat it. They hate everything, and you can't get rid of them. In addition, different species have vastly different resilience to their corruption, and different value to them as food. They are a byproduct of the existence of life which is capable of being moral, and are themselves, fundamentally abhorrent to modern morality. They also mean that some species are literally better than other species, and humanity has no way to tell, and the only info they got was from the Emperor who told them "You lot are great, the other things out there? Most of them are awful. If you've got questions about that, only I can tell the difference between a good species and a bad one unfortunately"
He talks about the evils of government corruption and abuse of power, but, the universe of 40k is one in which freedom is absurdly dangerous. You can't have fair representative government reflecting the will of the people at a large scale, because thats too easy for chaos to fiddle with. What if it WAS true that there were evil and unknowable powers working behind the scenes to corrupt the masses? What if only true heroes could resist their tricks, and help others do the same? Well, then I guess we'd have to try and find 'great leaders' to rule us, and as through history we'd then end up finding good ones and bad ones, and the system based on them would tend towards corruption but, at least it would be good enough to mean we don't all get turned into chaos spawn.
40K presents the nightmare of 'what if your terrible beliefs were true, bad person. What would that be? What would that world look like'. The people in 40K are not fundamentally bad, the UNIVERSE is fundamentally bad. The Universe shows you the nightmare of bad ideas being true. It shows you what it would mean to have a world where dictatorship was the right choice. It shows you what it would mean to have a true and real hell, full of demons who hate you, and a capriscious and silent deity who only probably gives a shit about you. It shows you the nightmare of what it would mean to have a world where racism (speciesism here) was true and real. What if some races were just 'better' than others. What would that do to us? What would it mean if our neighbors really could be secretly plotting to kill us, and we had no way of knowing. What would that do to us.
Chaos creates and fosters these problems in 40K. It hates you, and creates itself FROM you. In 40K, only great heroes can lead despite this issue (what if the great leader theory was true? What would that do to us?), the Imperium before Gulliman had no great heroes who were willing to lead its body politic, only military heroes.
40K presents a satire of extrapolation. It shows all the fascists and authoritarians and rugged individualists of the world not an argument about how WRONG they are, it shows them the horror of the world we would face if they were right. The ends justifies the means, forever.
I mean I disagree with basically all of this. To me the big thing in 40k is none of what the Imperium does is justified, even in light of the horrible aspects of the universe, and basically everything they do actively makes it worse. Not only are democratic egalitarian societies possible, they're *more resistant* to chaos than fascist authoritarian ones, in particular because of how they lead to extremism and extremes of emotional states, which empowers chaos and makes people easier to corrupt.
Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. - Lincoln
I am enjoying this brief lull where GW isn't putting out anything I want*. It helps when I am hitting a wall on finishing these Leviathan Marines. These bases are too detailed!
*I did try to pre-order the Lion but it sold out too fast. My poor Dark Angels are sad.
I literally got back into 40K painting and hobbying after 25 years so I could get and paint that Lion mini when I saw it preveiwed 6 months ago or whatever and now I'm deeply sad that I'm probably never going to get it!
I’m assuming that a lot of shortages in many model ranges are the result of the releases of 10th and making sure there were enough Leviathan boxes out there.
And I imagine all the various starter boxes have been a priority as well.
I suspect once that spoke in demand and production happens, we’ll start to see stuff back in stock.
My mate has gotten back in this edition after being out for the last…..12-15 years. He was a Dark Angel player in 2nd edition and is keen on getting the hands on the Lion.
He’s also keen on LoV but he got put off by the stink of 9th but I imagine their 10 edition release with an expansion to the range might tempt him.
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Is Leviathan limited? Or did GW just produce enough this time? I was in one of my LGS' today and they were stacked to the ceiling. I was kind of surprised. They did post a photo on release day with like 4x what they have now so it's not like it isn't selling.
They went absolutely crazy producing Leviathan boxes to not be caught short. It's why there have been so many shortages of other models - all the production lines were shifted to crank out as many Leviathan boxes as possible to the detriment of everything else.
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Is Leviathan limited? Or did GW just produce enough this time? I was in one of my LGS' today and they were stacked to the ceiling. I was kind of surprised. They did post a photo on release day with like 4x what they have now so it's not like it isn't selling.
There are plenty of leviathan boxes available at most retailers.
Had a couple of games of 10th going in my group last night. General consensus is that it's currently in a pretty good place, is streamlined in the right ways and has the best "start of edition" feel we've had in a loooooong time.
We're all jaded af, so we are assuming it will inevitably collapse into a mess but we are going to enjoy it while it lasts.
It also helps that none of us are treating it too competitively or playing really bent units/armies. So far anyway
Not only were they cranking out Leviathans, but there is also a brand new (well, not NEW new, but you know what I mean) game releasing next month, so they have likely been using a decent chunk of production time on that as well.
...he just kinda gives the chaos gods a pass as "They are what they are, eh, whatcha gonna do?"
I read a description of the chaos gods a while back (that I can't seem to find) that basically laid them out not as shitty themselves, but basically just as reflections of a shitty universe.
So Nurgle is the god of death and rot and all that, but he is also the god of fertility and growth. Khorne is the god of blood and murder, but he is also the god of bravery and martial strength. Tzeentch is the god of trickery and deceit, but also the god of knowledge and creativity/innovation. Slaanesh is the god of lust and excess, but also the god of self pride and joy/contentment. The gods themselves are well rounded, but since the immaterium serves as a reflection of the real universe they too serve as a reflection of the life within it. Since the universe is filled with hatred, fear, envy, and death, those are the aspects that present themselves the most in the realm of chaos, and therefore those are the aspects that are most represented in that realm's gods.
It makes them feel more fleshed out and more of a consequence of the attitudes and behaviors of the inhabitants of the Milky Way galaxy rather than just a group of Saturday morning cartoon villains.
But I think the key part there is that they are to an extent aware of what they are and what their 'counterpart' is and they know if everyone started 'behaving' they would stop being themselves and that fact is a key aspect to their existence. So the past horrors of the universe made them, but they refuse to allow us to change our ways.
They don’t refuse. They just aren’t capable. Given the opportunity to get a bunch of people murdered, Khorne can’t say no. Papa Nurgle literally can’t not spread his gifts of disease. Tzeentch cannot say “nah, I’m good; let’s just tell everybody the plan today”. They’re not actually free-willed. They’re basically programmed by the emotions of the living and now just are…there. Doing their thing.
All of the mortal races (to include, perhaps dubiously, the Necrons), on the other hand, are able to make choices. The Orks can’t help fighting but they could not enslave and torture people if they wanted to. The Imperium could just not be xenophobic, genocidal, totalitarian, anti-intellectual theocratic slavers. The Tau could just stop absorbing or exterminating other races. Even in a universe where chaos gods are real and exerting their influence over mortals, the mortals can choose not to give in to temptation. There are tons of small factions and empires that show up in 40K lore who manage to have not-fuck-awful societies with advanced technology and diverse culture. They just get murdered by the big factions because the big factions will stop at no atrocity - to their own citizens or others - to enslave anyone they can and murder anyone they can’t.
Not only were they cranking out Leviathans, but there is also a brand new (well, not NEW new, but you know what I mean) game releasing next month, so they have likely been using a decent chunk of production time on that as well.
I know the market is now getting started with people parting out the box as I did get a bunch of neruogaunts and I would like to get some barb {and maybe another Von Ryan's} The space marine/primaris side is odd though as I am waiting to see as I do want to pick it up for my black templars but I am thinking about putting that army in the reserve again
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Tyranids are so easy to get into with Leviathan
Get a full Leviathan set.
Buy 40 more Termagants, 5 more Barbgaunts and 3 more Von Ryan’s Leapers via split boxes. That’s a pretty versatile list and clocks in at 825 points.
Just one monstrous creature of preference will bring it to 1000 points, and you have enough Termagants that you don’t need more expanding to 1500pts either, so you can just pick a few more things you like.
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The big four are Defiance, Hope, Despair, and Acceptance. This is why the classic enmities are Khorne-Slaanesh and Tzeentch-Nurgle – they’re the true polar opposites. The real trick though is the Emperor sitting in the middle of the Wheel with his domain of Duty. Which straddles all four corners but doesn’t really fulfil any of them.
But yes, the reflection thing is really key to their whole existence, which is also the other reason the Emperor denied godhood; he wanted to retain his free will.
I'd consider Khorne and Slaanesh to be Brutality/Decadence.
Also recent lore has shifted somewhat but I always assumed that the Emperor got himself shoved into the Golden Throne because his soul getting devoured would be real bad and that the Imperial Cult wasn't strong enough yet for him to ascend. Retaining his free will doesn't entirely make sense - the major gods of Chaos have their own will, it's just that their natures force them to act in certain ways.
...he just kinda gives the chaos gods a pass as "They are what they are, eh, whatcha gonna do?"
I read a description of the chaos gods a while back (that I can't seem to find) that basically laid them out not as shitty themselves, but basically just as reflections of a shitty universe.
So Nurgle is the god of death and rot and all that, but he is also the god of fertility and growth. Khorne is the god of blood and murder, but he is also the god of bravery and martial strength. Tzeentch is the god of trickery and deceit, but also the god of knowledge and creativity/innovation. Slaanesh is the god of lust and excess, but also the god of self pride and joy/contentment. The gods themselves are well rounded, but since the immaterium serves as a reflection of the real universe they too serve as a reflection of the life within it. Since the universe is filled with hatred, fear, envy, and death, those are the aspects that present themselves the most in the realm of chaos, and therefore those are the aspects that are most represented in that realm's gods.
It makes them feel more fleshed out and more of a consequence of the attitudes and behaviors of the inhabitants of the Milky Way galaxy rather than just a group of Saturday morning cartoon villains.
But I think the key part there is that they are to an extent aware of what they are and what their 'counterpart' is and they know if everyone started 'behaving' they would stop being themselves and that fact is a key aspect to their existence. So the past horrors of the universe made them, but they refuse to allow us to change our ways.
They don’t refuse. They just aren’t capable. Given the opportunity to get a bunch of people murdered, Khorne can’t say no. Papa Nurgle literally can’t not spread his gifts of disease. Tzeentch cannot say “nah, I’m good; let’s just tell everybody the plan today”. They’re not actually free-willed. They’re basically programmed by the emotions of the living and now just are…there. Doing their thing.
All of the mortal races (to include, perhaps dubiously, the Necrons), on the other hand, are able to make choices. The Orks can’t help fighting but they could not enslave and torture people if they wanted to. The Imperium could just not be xenophobic, genocidal, totalitarian, anti-intellectual theocratic slavers. The Tau could just stop absorbing or exterminating other races. Even in a universe where chaos gods are real and exerting their influence over mortals, the mortals can choose not to give in to temptation. There are tons of small factions and empires that show up in 40K lore who manage to have not-fuck-awful societies with advanced technology and diverse culture. They just get murdered by the big factions because the big factions will stop at no atrocity - to their own citizens or others - to enslave anyone they can and murder anyone they can’t.
I disagree, the Chaos gods are shown as capricious and whimsical. They can make decisions. They are a fundamental part of reality, but they are ALSO intelligent and capable beings of such capacity that we can't understand what they hell they are doing or why. They aren't just a rabid dog. They understand you. They understand what makes you tick, better than you do.
The orks just straight up can't behave in a different way. There are no orks who don't abuse weaker beings, thats what being an ork is. Orks don't like do 'double slavery' for humans. All weaker species are enslaved and abused because thats what being an ork is. Its how you 'are' an Ork. (Making true the lie that cruel despots have that, "Our enemies are cruel and subhuman! Without morality or merit! They have no culture, and just live to fight! Its all they care about")
Let me put it this way, if the big factions are wrong, there is a superior and better way to run a galactic civilization, then where the hell is Noble Alien Starfleet to kick the hell out of the Imperium, banish the chaos gods and save the galaxy?
I find the classic interpretation of the setting (Look at the nightmare your ridiculous ideas would cause if they were true) is far more interesting than the alternate (everyone in the setting is an evil idiot)
The big four are Defiance, Hope, Despair, and Acceptance. This is why the classic enmities are Khorne-Slaanesh and Tzeentch-Nurgle – they’re the true polar opposites. The real trick though is the Emperor sitting in the middle of the Wheel with his domain of Duty. Which straddles all four corners but doesn’t really fulfil any of them.
But yes, the reflection thing is really key to their whole existence, which is also the other reason the Emperor denied godhood; he wanted to retain his free will.
I'd consider Khorne and Slaanesh to be Brutality/Decadence.
Also recent lore has shifted somewhat but I always assumed that the Emperor got himself shoved into the Golden Throne because his soul getting devoured would be real bad and that the Imperial Cult wasn't strong enough yet for him to ascend. Retaining his free will doesn't entirely make sense - the major gods of Chaos have their own will, it's just that their natures force them to act in certain ways.
My perspective is that when the gods 'ascend' they lurch towards an aspect of their own behavior and 'zone' depending on the state of the warp at the time. All the previous ones have been awful, and the Emperor is 'worried' that he will become the Chaos God of Slavery, when he would prefer to be the Chaos God of Duty.
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Finally building the Screamer Killer. Holy shit this thing is an absolute chungus. Technically it's as tall as an upright Carnifex, maybe slightly taller, but everything about it is bulkier. It's definitely wider.
Finally building the Screamer Killer. Holy shit this thing is an absolute chungus. Technically it's as tall as an upright Carnifex, maybe slightly taller, but everything about it is bulkier. It's definitely wider.
When I show it to my brother he said that is huge
But when I showed him the prime he remarked how tiny it was smaller than a warrior
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Really makes me hope the general release model has Old One Eye and Stonecrusher parts. It's a fantastic base model for those.
I've wanted a 3d printer for nearly a decade, but cost and detail always seemed prohibitive. But now cost isn't a (large) factor, and detail seems good. Anyone have recommendations for someone new to printing, but many years of 3d modeling? 1k is probably my hard limit
I bought an Elegoo Mars 2 as my first printer and it's been extremely user friendly so I'd recommend something in that series.
What do you want to print? If it's minis or bits for minis you'll want resin, if it's terrain or things that need to be big and sturdy you'll want an fdm printer.
Apparently there's a sale on Elegoo, I'm thinking about grabbing the Saturn 8k. It's ~330 right now, which is definitely in my budget.
I'm slightly worried about hearing that resin printers need a well ventilated space though. If the setup doesn't take too long, I should be able to use it.
I'd love to print some mortars and sponsons for my IG tho
I've wanted a 3d printer for nearly a decade, but cost and detail always seemed prohibitive. But now cost isn't a (large) factor, and detail seems good. Anyone have recommendations for someone new to printing, but many years of 3d modeling? 1k is probably my hard limit
I bought an Elegoo Mars 2 as my first printer and it's been extremely user friendly so I'd recommend something in that series.
What do you want to print? If it's minis or bits for minis you'll want resin, if it's terrain or things that need to be big and sturdy you'll want an fdm printer.
Apparently there's a sale on Elegoo, I'm thinking about grabbing the Saturn 8k. It's ~330 right now, which is definitely in my budget.
I'm slightly worried about hearing that resin printers need a well ventilated space though. If the setup doesn't take too long, I should be able to use it.
I'd love to print some mortars and sponsons for my IG tho
Edit: bought it YOLO
Well ventilated space is definitely needed, plus good gloves and ideally a respirator. While it's running I found a couple of open windows enough, but when you pop the cover off it reeks.
Also keep it well out of sunlight, the cover isn't enough to stop the sun curing resin in the vat
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The Saturn 8k does comes with an air filter and that does help a bunch but stud don’t have the room closed up.
The genestealers look nice even though I only have a handful of them
there are even enough betentacled Ymgarl heads included to outfit the whole unit, a nod to the mysterious variant first encountered on the moons of Ymgarl.
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Spike Rifles and Stranglewebs combing back is something I did not expect.
Also the new Genestealers are not the same design as the Purestrains in Deathwatch Overkill. I wonder if they will get their own box?
Looks like that's a box of 10, Purestrains are in squads of 5 or10.
Spike Rifles and Stranglewebs combing back is something I did not expect.
Also the new Genestealers are not the same design as the Purestrains in Deathwatch Overkill. I wonder if they will get their own box?
Looks like that's a box of 10, Purestrains are in squads of 5 or10.
I bought some of the spike rifles recently but I have no idea where I put them I am curious about it and the strangleweb as they only showed off one in each so it is only one per box '
THe new Hormagaunts look nice though but do I really want to get more? {I have 100}
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*I did try to pre-order the Lion but it sold out too fast.
The issue with the video is that it has misunderstood how the Universe of 40K works, what people understand, and how Chaos interacts with it. If you watch to the end, you see how he just kinda gives the chaos gods a pass as "They are what they are, eh, whatcha gonna do?"
But, the thing he fails to characterize is that the Chaos gods in 40K exist and are real, and are intelligent, and are fundamental to reality and hate you. They aren't like, weather or an angry dog. They hate your existence. After you die, your very real immortal soul will almost certainly be consumed by them. Like, you can do a scientific experiment and prove your soul exists and that the Chaos gods want to eat it. They hate everything, and you can't get rid of them. In addition, different species have vastly different resilience to their corruption, and different value to them as food. They are a byproduct of the existence of life which is capable of being moral, and are themselves, fundamentally abhorrent to modern morality. They also mean that some species are literally better than other species, and humanity has no way to tell, and the only info they got was from the Emperor who told them "You lot are great, the other things out there? Most of them are awful. If you've got questions about that, only I can tell the difference between a good species and a bad one unfortunately"
He talks about the evils of government corruption and abuse of power, but, the universe of 40k is one in which freedom is absurdly dangerous. You can't have fair representative government reflecting the will of the people at a large scale, because thats too easy for chaos to fiddle with. What if it WAS true that there were evil and unknowable powers working behind the scenes to corrupt the masses? What if only true heroes could resist their tricks, and help others do the same? Well, then I guess we'd have to try and find 'great leaders' to rule us, and as through history we'd then end up finding good ones and bad ones, and the system based on them would tend towards corruption but, at least it would be good enough to mean we don't all get turned into chaos spawn.
40K presents the nightmare of 'what if your terrible beliefs were true, bad person. What would that be? What would that world look like'. The people in 40K are not fundamentally bad, the UNIVERSE is fundamentally bad. The Universe shows you the nightmare of bad ideas being true. It shows you what it would mean to have a world where dictatorship was the right choice. It shows you what it would mean to have a true and real hell, full of demons who hate you, and a capriscious and silent deity who only probably gives a shit about you. It shows you the nightmare of what it would mean to have a world where racism (speciesism here) was true and real. What if some races were just 'better' than others. What would that do to us? What would it mean if our neighbors really could be secretly plotting to kill us, and we had no way of knowing. What would that do to us.
Chaos creates and fosters these problems in 40K. It hates you, and creates itself FROM you. In 40K, only great heroes can lead despite this issue (what if the great leader theory was true? What would that do to us?), the Imperium before Gulliman had no great heroes who were willing to lead its body politic, only military heroes.
40K presents a satire of extrapolation. It shows all the fascists and authoritarians and rugged individualists of the world not an argument about how WRONG they are, it shows them the horror of the world we would face if they were right. The ends justifies the means, forever.
I literally got back into 40K painting and hobbying after 25 years so I could get and paint that Lion mini when I saw it preveiwed 6 months ago or whatever and now I'm deeply sad that I'm probably never going to get it!
Pretty sure it will be back in stock. It's not a one-off.
Also I need it to not be raining or hugely humid outside so I can prime all the nids. Also have the nids from the Imperium premium subscription that showed up. Seems to be a unit of genestealers, termagants (old ones), and a brood lord?
I read a description of the chaos gods a while back (that I can't seem to find) that basically laid them out not as shitty themselves, but basically just as reflections of a shitty universe.
So Nurgle is the god of death and rot and all that, but he is also the god of fertility and growth. Khorne is the god of blood and murder, but he is also the god of bravery and martial strength. Tzeentch is the god of trickery and deceit, but also the god of knowledge and creativity/innovation. Slaanesh is the god of lust and excess, but also the god of self pride and joy/contentment. The gods themselves are well rounded, but since the immaterium serves as a reflection of the real universe they too serve as a reflection of the life within it. Since the universe is filled with hatred, fear, envy, and death, those are the aspects that present themselves the most in the realm of chaos, and therefore those are the aspects that are most represented in that realm's gods.
It makes them feel more fleshed out and more of a consequence of the attitudes and behaviors of the inhabitants of the Milky Way galaxy rather than just a group of Saturday morning cartoon villains.
But yes, the reflection thing is really key to their whole existence, which is also the other reason the Emperor denied godhood; he wanted to retain his free will.
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But I think the key part there is that they are to an extent aware of what they are and what their 'counterpart' is and they know if everyone started 'behaving' they would stop being themselves and that fact is a key aspect to their existence. So the past horrors of the universe made them, but they refuse to allow us to change our ways.
I mean I disagree with basically all of this. To me the big thing in 40k is none of what the Imperium does is justified, even in light of the horrible aspects of the universe, and basically everything they do actively makes it worse. Not only are democratic egalitarian societies possible, they're *more resistant* to chaos than fascist authoritarian ones, in particular because of how they lead to extremism and extremes of emotional states, which empowers chaos and makes people easier to corrupt.
I’m assuming that a lot of shortages in many model ranges are the result of the releases of 10th and making sure there were enough Leviathan boxes out there.
And I imagine all the various starter boxes have been a priority as well.
I suspect once that spoke in demand and production happens, we’ll start to see stuff back in stock.
My mate has gotten back in this edition after being out for the last…..12-15 years. He was a Dark Angel player in 2nd edition and is keen on getting the hands on the Lion.
He’s also keen on LoV but he got put off by the stink of 9th but I imagine their 10 edition release with an expansion to the range might tempt him.
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There are plenty of leviathan boxes available at most retailers.
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We're all jaded af, so we are assuming it will inevitably collapse into a mess but we are going to enjoy it while it lasts.
It also helps that none of us are treating it too competitively or playing really bent units/armies. So far anyway
They don’t refuse. They just aren’t capable. Given the opportunity to get a bunch of people murdered, Khorne can’t say no. Papa Nurgle literally can’t not spread his gifts of disease. Tzeentch cannot say “nah, I’m good; let’s just tell everybody the plan today”. They’re not actually free-willed. They’re basically programmed by the emotions of the living and now just are…there. Doing their thing.
All of the mortal races (to include, perhaps dubiously, the Necrons), on the other hand, are able to make choices. The Orks can’t help fighting but they could not enslave and torture people if they wanted to. The Imperium could just not be xenophobic, genocidal, totalitarian, anti-intellectual theocratic slavers. The Tau could just stop absorbing or exterminating other races. Even in a universe where chaos gods are real and exerting their influence over mortals, the mortals can choose not to give in to temptation. There are tons of small factions and empires that show up in 40K lore who manage to have not-fuck-awful societies with advanced technology and diverse culture. They just get murdered by the big factions because the big factions will stop at no atrocity - to their own citizens or others - to enslave anyone they can and murder anyone they can’t.
I know the market is now getting started with people parting out the box as I did get a bunch of neruogaunts and I would like to get some barb {and maybe another Von Ryan's} The space marine/primaris side is odd though as I am waiting to see as I do want to pick it up for my black templars but I am thinking about putting that army in the reserve again
Get a full Leviathan set.
Buy 40 more Termagants, 5 more Barbgaunts and 3 more Von Ryan’s Leapers via split boxes. That’s a pretty versatile list and clocks in at 825 points.
Just one monstrous creature of preference will bring it to 1000 points, and you have enough Termagants that you don’t need more expanding to 1500pts either, so you can just pick a few more things you like.
I'd consider Khorne and Slaanesh to be Brutality/Decadence.
Also recent lore has shifted somewhat but I always assumed that the Emperor got himself shoved into the Golden Throne because his soul getting devoured would be real bad and that the Imperial Cult wasn't strong enough yet for him to ascend. Retaining his free will doesn't entirely make sense - the major gods of Chaos have their own will, it's just that their natures force them to act in certain ways.
I disagree, the Chaos gods are shown as capricious and whimsical. They can make decisions. They are a fundamental part of reality, but they are ALSO intelligent and capable beings of such capacity that we can't understand what they hell they are doing or why. They aren't just a rabid dog. They understand you. They understand what makes you tick, better than you do.
The orks just straight up can't behave in a different way. There are no orks who don't abuse weaker beings, thats what being an ork is. Orks don't like do 'double slavery' for humans. All weaker species are enslaved and abused because thats what being an ork is. Its how you 'are' an Ork. (Making true the lie that cruel despots have that, "Our enemies are cruel and subhuman! Without morality or merit! They have no culture, and just live to fight! Its all they care about")
Let me put it this way, if the big factions are wrong, there is a superior and better way to run a galactic civilization, then where the hell is Noble Alien Starfleet to kick the hell out of the Imperium, banish the chaos gods and save the galaxy?
I find the classic interpretation of the setting (Look at the nightmare your ridiculous ideas would cause if they were true) is far more interesting than the alternate (everyone in the setting is an evil idiot)
My perspective is that when the gods 'ascend' they lurch towards an aspect of their own behavior and 'zone' depending on the state of the warp at the time. All the previous ones have been awful, and the Emperor is 'worried' that he will become the Chaos God of Slavery, when he would prefer to be the Chaos God of Duty.
When I show it to my brother he said that is huge
But when I showed him the prime he remarked how tiny it was smaller than a warrior
Apparently there's a sale on Elegoo, I'm thinking about grabbing the Saturn 8k. It's ~330 right now, which is definitely in my budget.
I'm slightly worried about hearing that resin printers need a well ventilated space though. If the setup doesn't take too long, I should be able to use it.
I'd love to print some mortars and sponsons for my IG tho
Edit: bought it YOLO
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Well ventilated space is definitely needed, plus good gloves and ideally a respirator. While it's running I found a couple of open windows enough, but when you pop the cover off it reeks.
Also keep it well out of sunlight, the cover isn't enough to stop the sun curing resin in the vat
It's a dual kit with the Biovore
I want one now.
The genestealers look nice even though I only have a handful of them
there are even enough betentacled Ymgarl heads included to outfit the whole unit, a nod to the mysterious variant first encountered on the moons of Ymgarl.
Also the new Genestealers are not the same design as the Purestrains in Deathwatch Overkill. I wonder if they will get their own box?
Looks like that's a box of 10, Purestrains are in squads of 5 or10.
I bought some of the spike rifles recently but I have no idea where I put them I am curious about it and the strangleweb as they only showed off one in each so it is only one per box '
THe new Hormagaunts look nice though but do I really want to get more? {I have 100}