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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Maybe the Rock should have hung dong.

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    SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    Unpopular opinion I'm sure but I feel like the MCU films are like the biggest of big "event" style comics and, love them or hate them, those are always about huge cross-overs between the characters in-universe. I therefore prefer an extremely connected MCU with films that build upon one another.

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    DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    The real mistake was setting Black Adam far from the jungles where the Rock draws most of his mana from.

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Unpopular opinion I'm sure but I feel like the MCU films are like the biggest of big "event" style comics and, love them or hate them, those are always about huge cross-overs between the characters in-universe. I therefore prefer an extremely connected MCU with films that build upon one another.

    I mean, sure, they are

    And if there were thirteen forty three minute episodes a year about a given hero, then I'd probably support and agree with this

    But man cannot live on events alone

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    Yeah if you were reading comic books and literally the only thing they did was huge event arcs that would get old real fast

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    MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    I'm a complete sucker for any time a movie or whatever introduces characters with little graphics so I already love Bullet Train

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    DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    Yeah if you were reading comic books and literally the only thing they did was huge event arcs that would get old real fast

    It really really killed my interest in DC and Marvel comics back in the day, like 2006-10, it was very difficult to read comics. It was cool, occasionally, with all of the huge reality changing stuff happening, if you just picked up an event or two, but if we were trying to follow a title long term, it was exhausting.

    Marvel based their main movie reality or whatever in large part on that era though, as most of us are aware, so it was Thanos meme inevitable

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    JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    The thing about Black Adam is most people don’t know who the fuck Black Adam is.

    I watched Black Adam because my parents were in town during late October and it was the only thing showing that wasn't a horror movie. I didn't even know the dude was a Shazam, I vaguely assumed he was just another Jack Kirby weirdo from space!

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    SeptusSeptus Registered User regular
    I mean, I think (marvel) comics in general get old. I need to take breaks, and luckily there's a ton of great indie stuff and I consider comics and adjacent interest to books, which have no shortage of good quality stuff. But even in non event comics I get tired of the endless plot contrivances to keep the same set of heroes going and having shenanigans each month. On the big screen and dominating such a large portion of theater interest, I feel like it'd be exhausting with any possible approach Marvel and DC could come up with that's not just drastically reducing output.

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    Endless_SerpentsEndless_Serpents Registered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    what... does Alien have to do with this

    Nothing I was just picking something at random.

    I didn’t watch Get Out because I knew everything about it in advance.

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    What does it mean to know everything about a movie in advance?

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    Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    Man I forgot how funny Addams' Family Values was. I hate they had to get a new house and some of the jokes are real cringe but damn there are some slappers

    Debbie: These Addams men! Where DO you find them?

    Morticia: It has to be damp.

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    NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    What does it mean to know everything about a movie in advance?

    read a plot synopsis on wikipedia or something, or someone told you about the movie beforehand

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    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Man I forgot how funny Addams' Family Values was. I hate they had to get a new house and some of the jokes are real cringe but damn there are some slappers

    Debbie: These Addams men! Where DO you find them?

    Morticia: It has to be damp.

    Not a childhood favorite movie for Ben Shapiro.

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Naphtali wrote: »
    Straightzi wrote: »
    What does it mean to know everything about a movie in advance?

    read a plot synopsis on wikipedia or something, or someone told you about the movie beforehand

    Sure, sure, of course, that makes sense

    Hey real quick can you read this for me
    The woman sits markedly upright in a "pozzetto" armchair with her arms folded, a sign of her reserved posture. Her gaze is fixed on the observer. The woman appears alive to an unusual extent, which [the artist] achieved by [the] method of not drawing outlines (sfumato). The soft blending creates an ambiguous mood "mainly in two features: the corners of the mouth, and the corners of the eyes".

    Would you say that you just saw the Mona Lisa?

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    Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Naphtali wrote: »
    Straightzi wrote: »
    What does it mean to know everything about a movie in advance?

    read a plot synopsis on wikipedia or something, or someone told you about the movie beforehand

    Sure, sure, of course, that makes sense

    Hey real quick can you read this for me
    The woman sits markedly upright in a "pozzetto" armchair with her arms folded, a sign of her reserved posture. Her gaze is fixed on the observer. The woman appears alive to an unusual extent, which [the artist] achieved by [the] method of not drawing outlines (sfumato). The soft blending creates an ambiguous mood "mainly in two features: the corners of the mouth, and the corners of the eyes".

    Would you say that you just saw the Mona Lisa?

    No.

    And that has nothing to do with knowing the plot of a movie. People get angry about spoilers for a reason.

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Ahh yeah fair point, fair point

    By the by, can you read this for me as well
    Peter, a Young Soviet Pioneer, lives at his grandfather's home in a forest clearing. One day, Peter goes out into the clearing, leaving the garden gate open, and a duck that lives in the yard takes the opportunity to go swimming in a pond nearby. The duck and a bird argue on whether a proper bird should be able to swim or fly. A local cat stalks them quietly, and the bird—warned by Peter—flies to safety in a tall tree while the duck swims to safety in the middle of the pond.

    Before long, Peter's grandfather scolds him for being outside and playing in the meadow alone because a wolf might come out of the forest and attack him. When Peter shows defiance, believing he has nothing to fear from wolves, his grandfather takes him back into the house and locks the gate. Soon afterwards, a ferocious grey wolf does indeed come out of the forest. The cat quickly climbs into the tree with the bird, but the duck, who has jumped out of the pond, is chased, overtaken, and swallowed by the beast.

    Seeing all of this from inside, Peter fetches a rope and climbs over the garden wall into the tree. He asks the bird to fly around the beast's head to distract him, while he lowers a noose and catches the wolf by his tail. The beast struggles to get free, but Peter ties the rope to the tree and the noose only gets tighter.

    Some hunters, who have been tracking the wolf, come out of the forest with their guns readied, but Peter gets them to instead help him take it to a zoo in a victory parade (the piece was first performed for an audience of Young Pioneers during May Day celebrations) that includes himself, the bird, the hunters leading the wolf, the cat, and lastly his grumbling Grandfather, still disappointed that Peter ignored his warnings, but proud that his grandson caught the beast.

    At the end, the narrator states those listening carefully could hear the duck still quacking inside the wolf's belly, due to being swallowed whole.

    Would you say that you just listened to Peter and the Wolf?

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    DJ Eebs wrote: »
    The thing about Black Adam is most people don’t know who the fuck Black Adam is.

    I don't think that actually matters that much

    Guardians of the Galaxy on line one.

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    durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited December 2022
    Not seeing a film because you've got a basic plot understanding of it is a wild thing to do. Films are so often about shit that's only tangentially related to the actual plot progression!

    Like if I know the plot to a Jackie Chan movie, I'm not going to be like oh actually I already know he saves the day at the end of this no need to see these awesome fight sequences.

    It definitely colors how the film works, and there's a reason people don't want spoilers, but dang

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    NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    be cool gurney

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    Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Ahh yeah fair point, fair point

    By the by, can you read this for me as well
    Peter, a Young Soviet Pioneer, lives at his grandfather's home in a forest clearing. One day, Peter goes out into the clearing, leaving the garden gate open, and a duck that lives in the yard takes the opportunity to go swimming in a pond nearby. The duck and a bird argue on whether a proper bird should be able to swim or fly. A local cat stalks them quietly, and the bird—warned by Peter—flies to safety in a tall tree while the duck swims to safety in the middle of the pond.

    Before long, Peter's grandfather scolds him for being outside and playing in the meadow alone because a wolf might come out of the forest and attack him. When Peter shows defiance, believing he has nothing to fear from wolves, his grandfather takes him back into the house and locks the gate. Soon afterwards, a ferocious grey wolf does indeed come out of the forest. The cat quickly climbs into the tree with the bird, but the duck, who has jumped out of the pond, is chased, overtaken, and swallowed by the beast.

    Seeing all of this from inside, Peter fetches a rope and climbs over the garden wall into the tree. He asks the bird to fly around the beast's head to distract him, while he lowers a noose and catches the wolf by his tail. The beast struggles to get free, but Peter ties the rope to the tree and the noose only gets tighter.

    Some hunters, who have been tracking the wolf, come out of the forest with their guns readied, but Peter gets them to instead help him take it to a zoo in a victory parade (the piece was first performed for an audience of Young Pioneers during May Day celebrations) that includes himself, the bird, the hunters leading the wolf, the cat, and lastly his grumbling Grandfather, still disappointed that Peter ignored his warnings, but proud that his grandson caught the beast.

    At the end, the narrator states those listening carefully could hear the duck still quacking inside the wolf's belly, due to being swallowed whole.

    Would you say that you just listened to Peter and the Wolf?

    are you for real right now

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    Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    Not seeing a film because you've got a basic plot understanding of it is a wild thing to do. Films are so often about shit that's only tangentially related to the actual plot progression!

    Like if I know the plot to a Jackie Chan movie, I'm not going to be like oh actually I already know he saves the day at the end of this no need to see these awesome fight sequences.

    It definitely colors how the film works, and there's a reason people don't want spoilers, but dang

    But you're assuming a basic understanding and you're picking a movie that's mostly visual in content.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited December 2022
    If we're being weird about this I would also say knowing too much of the plot synopsis in advance greatly decreases my desire to watch a movie

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    JokermanJokerman Everything EverywhereRegistered User regular
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Ahh yeah fair point, fair point

    By the by, can you read this for me as well
    Peter, a Young Soviet Pioneer, lives at his grandfather's home in a forest clearing. One day, Peter goes out into the clearing, leaving the garden gate open, and a duck that lives in the yard takes the opportunity to go swimming in a pond nearby. The duck and a bird argue on whether a proper bird should be able to swim or fly. A local cat stalks them quietly, and the bird—warned by Peter—flies to safety in a tall tree while the duck swims to safety in the middle of the pond.

    Before long, Peter's grandfather scolds him for being outside and playing in the meadow alone because a wolf might come out of the forest and attack him. When Peter shows defiance, believing he has nothing to fear from wolves, his grandfather takes him back into the house and locks the gate. Soon afterwards, a ferocious grey wolf does indeed come out of the forest. The cat quickly climbs into the tree with the bird, but the duck, who has jumped out of the pond, is chased, overtaken, and swallowed by the beast.

    Seeing all of this from inside, Peter fetches a rope and climbs over the garden wall into the tree. He asks the bird to fly around the beast's head to distract him, while he lowers a noose and catches the wolf by his tail. The beast struggles to get free, but Peter ties the rope to the tree and the noose only gets tighter.

    Some hunters, who have been tracking the wolf, come out of the forest with their guns readied, but Peter gets them to instead help him take it to a zoo in a victory parade (the piece was first performed for an audience of Young Pioneers during May Day celebrations) that includes himself, the bird, the hunters leading the wolf, the cat, and lastly his grumbling Grandfather, still disappointed that Peter ignored his warnings, but proud that his grandson caught the beast.

    At the end, the narrator states those listening carefully could hear the duck still quacking inside the wolf's belly, due to being swallowed whole.

    Would you say that you just listened to Peter and the Wolf?

    are you for real right now

    This reminds me of the time when I took mushrooms and accidentally turned on the descriptive audio on Bojack Horseman.

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    MagellMagell Detroit Machine Guns Fort MyersRegistered User regular
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Not seeing a film because you've got a basic plot understanding of it is a wild thing to do. Films are so often about shit that's only tangentially related to the actual plot progression!

    Like if I know the plot to a Jackie Chan movie, I'm not going to be like oh actually I already know he saves the day at the end of this no need to see these awesome fight sequences.

    It definitely colors how the film works, and there's a reason people don't want spoilers, but dang

    But you're assuming a basic understanding and you're picking a movie that's mostly visual in content.

    I mean we're discussing Black Adam and the big aspect of that movie is the CGI setpieces and action scenes so it seems like a good comparison.

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    Dex DynamoDex Dynamo Registered User regular
    Honestly, knowing a plot synopsis or a twist in advance usually makes me want to see the movie more because I want to see the little details that build to the twist, and I get more joy out of that than I do being surprised by the twist itself

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    durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Not seeing a film because you've got a basic plot understanding of it is a wild thing to do. Films are so often about shit that's only tangentially related to the actual plot progression!

    Like if I know the plot to a Jackie Chan movie, I'm not going to be like oh actually I already know he saves the day at the end of this no need to see these awesome fight sequences.

    It definitely colors how the film works, and there's a reason people don't want spoilers, but dang

    But you're assuming a basic understanding and you're picking a movie that's mostly visual in content.

    I mean I'd say Alien and Get Out are also good examples of things that are worth watching!

    There's a continuum from "I have read the wikipedia entry" to "I have read the novelization" to "I have seen 3/4 of the film via clips or something" to "I've actually watched the film" and for good films it's usually pretty great to go from not-quite to actually watching them.

    I mean not that I've watched all the good films regardless and you can certainly cull the infinite list of things that are possible to watch using any means necessary, but like I've seen Alien plenty and mostly this is making me think dang I wouldn't mind re-watching Alien.

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    NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    If we're being weird about this I would also say knowing too much of the plot synopsis in advance greatly decreases my desire to watch a movie

    I absolutely agree with this, but it depends on the movie. If there's about a zero % chance I'd go see it on my own or if I thought there'd be stuff in it that'd bother me, then I'd look it up beforehand. Sometimes finding out what's going to happen can instead interest me in then checking it out after all.

    OTOH, reading the synopsis for Barbarian absolutely sealed I will never go watch that willingly when my friends and I were trying to figure out what scary movie to go see one night.

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    cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    I generally try to read what happens in a movie before i go see it, i prefer to know.

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    Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    Magell wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Not seeing a film because you've got a basic plot understanding of it is a wild thing to do. Films are so often about shit that's only tangentially related to the actual plot progression!

    Like if I know the plot to a Jackie Chan movie, I'm not going to be like oh actually I already know he saves the day at the end of this no need to see these awesome fight sequences.

    It definitely colors how the film works, and there's a reason people don't want spoilers, but dang

    But you're assuming a basic understanding and you're picking a movie that's mostly visual in content.

    I mean we're discussing Black Adam and the big aspect of that movie is the CGI setpieces and action scenes so it seems like a good comparison.

    Ah, got ya. I was talking movies in general, sorry.

    Not being a fan of action movies at all, my reading like, say, the wikipedia plot of Black Adam would be more than enough for me but others may differ!

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Ahh yeah fair point, fair point

    By the by, can you read this for me as well
    Peter, a Young Soviet Pioneer, lives at his grandfather's home in a forest clearing. One day, Peter goes out into the clearing, leaving the garden gate open, and a duck that lives in the yard takes the opportunity to go swimming in a pond nearby. The duck and a bird argue on whether a proper bird should be able to swim or fly. A local cat stalks them quietly, and the bird—warned by Peter—flies to safety in a tall tree while the duck swims to safety in the middle of the pond.

    Before long, Peter's grandfather scolds him for being outside and playing in the meadow alone because a wolf might come out of the forest and attack him. When Peter shows defiance, believing he has nothing to fear from wolves, his grandfather takes him back into the house and locks the gate. Soon afterwards, a ferocious grey wolf does indeed come out of the forest. The cat quickly climbs into the tree with the bird, but the duck, who has jumped out of the pond, is chased, overtaken, and swallowed by the beast.

    Seeing all of this from inside, Peter fetches a rope and climbs over the garden wall into the tree. He asks the bird to fly around the beast's head to distract him, while he lowers a noose and catches the wolf by his tail. The beast struggles to get free, but Peter ties the rope to the tree and the noose only gets tighter.

    Some hunters, who have been tracking the wolf, come out of the forest with their guns readied, but Peter gets them to instead help him take it to a zoo in a victory parade (the piece was first performed for an audience of Young Pioneers during May Day celebrations) that includes himself, the bird, the hunters leading the wolf, the cat, and lastly his grumbling Grandfather, still disappointed that Peter ignored his warnings, but proud that his grandson caught the beast.

    At the end, the narrator states those listening carefully could hear the duck still quacking inside the wolf's belly, due to being swallowed whole.

    Would you say that you just listened to Peter and the Wolf?

    are you for real right now

    Yes. It's a weird way to look at and conceptualize art!

    Plot is an important aspect of movies, sure, but especially when we're talking about movies that are acclaimed for their acting or their visual style, it's bonkers to me to suggest that it's the only thing that matters.

    Art is experiential, it's not just knowledge to tuck away in your memory banks. Describing it as such makes it feel like... I dunno, memorizing dates for a high school history test. That's weird!

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    cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Ahh yeah fair point, fair point

    By the by, can you read this for me as well
    Peter, a Young Soviet Pioneer, lives at his grandfather's home in a forest clearing. One day, Peter goes out into the clearing, leaving the garden gate open, and a duck that lives in the yard takes the opportunity to go swimming in a pond nearby. The duck and a bird argue on whether a proper bird should be able to swim or fly. A local cat stalks them quietly, and the bird—warned by Peter—flies to safety in a tall tree while the duck swims to safety in the middle of the pond.

    Before long, Peter's grandfather scolds him for being outside and playing in the meadow alone because a wolf might come out of the forest and attack him. When Peter shows defiance, believing he has nothing to fear from wolves, his grandfather takes him back into the house and locks the gate. Soon afterwards, a ferocious grey wolf does indeed come out of the forest. The cat quickly climbs into the tree with the bird, but the duck, who has jumped out of the pond, is chased, overtaken, and swallowed by the beast.

    Seeing all of this from inside, Peter fetches a rope and climbs over the garden wall into the tree. He asks the bird to fly around the beast's head to distract him, while he lowers a noose and catches the wolf by his tail. The beast struggles to get free, but Peter ties the rope to the tree and the noose only gets tighter.

    Some hunters, who have been tracking the wolf, come out of the forest with their guns readied, but Peter gets them to instead help him take it to a zoo in a victory parade (the piece was first performed for an audience of Young Pioneers during May Day celebrations) that includes himself, the bird, the hunters leading the wolf, the cat, and lastly his grumbling Grandfather, still disappointed that Peter ignored his warnings, but proud that his grandson caught the beast.

    At the end, the narrator states those listening carefully could hear the duck still quacking inside the wolf's belly, due to being swallowed whole.

    Would you say that you just listened to Peter and the Wolf?

    are you for real right now

    Yes. It's a weird way to look at and conceptualize art!

    Plot is an important aspect of movies, sure, but especially when we're talking about movies that are acclaimed for their acting or their visual style, it's bonkers to me to suggest that it's the only thing that matters.

    Art is experiential, it's not just knowledge to tuck away in your memory banks. Describing it as such makes it feel like... I dunno, memorizing dates for a high school history test. That's weird!

    i generally look up plots to movies for this among other reasons. the plot is ancillary to the execution of the film, and I want to be able to really focus on those aspects of it. knowing the beats beforehand has helped me appreciate movies artistically, personally.

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    MagellMagell Detroit Machine Guns Fort MyersRegistered User regular
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Magell wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Not seeing a film because you've got a basic plot understanding of it is a wild thing to do. Films are so often about shit that's only tangentially related to the actual plot progression!

    Like if I know the plot to a Jackie Chan movie, I'm not going to be like oh actually I already know he saves the day at the end of this no need to see these awesome fight sequences.

    It definitely colors how the film works, and there's a reason people don't want spoilers, but dang

    But you're assuming a basic understanding and you're picking a movie that's mostly visual in content.

    I mean we're discussing Black Adam and the big aspect of that movie is the CGI setpieces and action scenes so it seems like a good comparison.

    Ah, got ya. I was talking movies in general, sorry.

    Not being a fan of action movies at all, my reading like, say, the wikipedia plot of Black Adam would be more than enough for me but others may differ!

    I still think you're larger position is wrong as well.

    I've read Shakespeare's plays, but that pales in comparison to seeing them performed or even movie productions of them. The acting performances give the scripts life and change just reading what happened.

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    Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Ahh yeah fair point, fair point

    By the by, can you read this for me as well
    Peter, a Young Soviet Pioneer, lives at his grandfather's home in a forest clearing. One day, Peter goes out into the clearing, leaving the garden gate open, and a duck that lives in the yard takes the opportunity to go swimming in a pond nearby. The duck and a bird argue on whether a proper bird should be able to swim or fly. A local cat stalks them quietly, and the bird—warned by Peter—flies to safety in a tall tree while the duck swims to safety in the middle of the pond.

    Before long, Peter's grandfather scolds him for being outside and playing in the meadow alone because a wolf might come out of the forest and attack him. When Peter shows defiance, believing he has nothing to fear from wolves, his grandfather takes him back into the house and locks the gate. Soon afterwards, a ferocious grey wolf does indeed come out of the forest. The cat quickly climbs into the tree with the bird, but the duck, who has jumped out of the pond, is chased, overtaken, and swallowed by the beast.

    Seeing all of this from inside, Peter fetches a rope and climbs over the garden wall into the tree. He asks the bird to fly around the beast's head to distract him, while he lowers a noose and catches the wolf by his tail. The beast struggles to get free, but Peter ties the rope to the tree and the noose only gets tighter.

    Some hunters, who have been tracking the wolf, come out of the forest with their guns readied, but Peter gets them to instead help him take it to a zoo in a victory parade (the piece was first performed for an audience of Young Pioneers during May Day celebrations) that includes himself, the bird, the hunters leading the wolf, the cat, and lastly his grumbling Grandfather, still disappointed that Peter ignored his warnings, but proud that his grandson caught the beast.

    At the end, the narrator states those listening carefully could hear the duck still quacking inside the wolf's belly, due to being swallowed whole.

    Would you say that you just listened to Peter and the Wolf?

    are you for real right now

    Yes. It's a weird way to look at and conceptualize art!

    Plot is an important aspect of movies, sure, but especially when we're talking about movies that are acclaimed for their acting or their visual style, it's bonkers to me to suggest that it's the only thing that matters.

    Art is experiential, it's not just knowledge to tuck away in your memory banks. Describing it as such makes it feel like... I dunno, memorizing dates for a high school history test. That's weird!

    i think it's weird that you're comparing a painting, a movie and a film but acting like they're the same thing while also dismissively mocking the idea that if someone knows the entire plot to a film that they would then not want to watch it.

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    MatevMatev Cero Miedo Registered User regular
    edited December 2022
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    I'm a complete sucker for any time a movie or whatever introduces characters with little graphics so I already love Bullet Train

    I watched Bullet Train last week on the insistence of my roommate who shares my passion for quirky crime movies and I was absolutely delighted by it. As these types of movies go, 10/10 would make this a Shadowrun absolutely.

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    cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    characters coming on screen with a freeze frame/title graphic is definitely high art

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    NarbusNarbus Registered User regular
    edited December 2022
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    what... does Alien have to do with this

    Nothing I was just picking something at random.

    I didn’t watch Get Out because I knew everything about it in advance.

    But that wasn't at all what you started out saying
    The majority of books, comics, movies etc should be brand new. We live in the worst timeline of remakes, spin-offs and reboots. I didn’t watch Alien back in the day because I already knew what it was, for example.

    Alien was a brand new IP, so why did it upset your sensibilities around spinoffs and remakes?

    "I hate spinoffs and remakes, which is why spoilers are bad" is not a coherent thought

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Ahh yeah fair point, fair point

    By the by, can you read this for me as well
    Peter, a Young Soviet Pioneer, lives at his grandfather's home in a forest clearing. One day, Peter goes out into the clearing, leaving the garden gate open, and a duck that lives in the yard takes the opportunity to go swimming in a pond nearby. The duck and a bird argue on whether a proper bird should be able to swim or fly. A local cat stalks them quietly, and the bird—warned by Peter—flies to safety in a tall tree while the duck swims to safety in the middle of the pond.

    Before long, Peter's grandfather scolds him for being outside and playing in the meadow alone because a wolf might come out of the forest and attack him. When Peter shows defiance, believing he has nothing to fear from wolves, his grandfather takes him back into the house and locks the gate. Soon afterwards, a ferocious grey wolf does indeed come out of the forest. The cat quickly climbs into the tree with the bird, but the duck, who has jumped out of the pond, is chased, overtaken, and swallowed by the beast.

    Seeing all of this from inside, Peter fetches a rope and climbs over the garden wall into the tree. He asks the bird to fly around the beast's head to distract him, while he lowers a noose and catches the wolf by his tail. The beast struggles to get free, but Peter ties the rope to the tree and the noose only gets tighter.

    Some hunters, who have been tracking the wolf, come out of the forest with their guns readied, but Peter gets them to instead help him take it to a zoo in a victory parade (the piece was first performed for an audience of Young Pioneers during May Day celebrations) that includes himself, the bird, the hunters leading the wolf, the cat, and lastly his grumbling Grandfather, still disappointed that Peter ignored his warnings, but proud that his grandson caught the beast.

    At the end, the narrator states those listening carefully could hear the duck still quacking inside the wolf's belly, due to being swallowed whole.

    Would you say that you just listened to Peter and the Wolf?

    are you for real right now

    Yes. It's a weird way to look at and conceptualize art!

    Plot is an important aspect of movies, sure, but especially when we're talking about movies that are acclaimed for their acting or their visual style, it's bonkers to me to suggest that it's the only thing that matters.

    Art is experiential, it's not just knowledge to tuck away in your memory banks. Describing it as such makes it feel like... I dunno, memorizing dates for a high school history test. That's weird!

    i think it's weird that you're comparing a painting, a movie and a film but acting like they're the same thing while also dismissively mocking the idea that if someone knows the entire plot to a film that they would then not want to watch it.

    How so? I'm providing a description of (aspects of) the piece of art, just the same as a movie synopsis is.

    Like, I legitimately do not see much difference between the examples provided. The Mona Lisa isn't narrative, I guess, but I also specifically chose it because of its famous ambiguities and visual referencing of other art, things that you might not catch from a description of it. How is that different from reading the synopsis of Alien and saying, "There we go, no need to watch that anymore"?

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    If you read a synopsis of a movie and say "nah, not for me" that's fine, to be clear. I've certainly done the same.

    My point is that is not equivalent to seeing the movie. There's so much more that movies have to offer than the plot, much of which is experiential and can't be properly described.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    If you read a synopsis of a movie and say "nah, not for me" that's fine, to be clear. I've certainly done the same.

    My point is that is not equivalent to seeing the movie. There's so much more that movies have to offer than the plot, much of which is experiential and can't be properly described.

    Look, I can only speak for myself here but I know that I absolutely hated watching 'The Godfather' through no fault of the movie's own. It's because I knew every fucking story beat, every fuckin twist and turn, through cultural osmosis. It hurt my viewing experience. It was like watching a movie I had seen for a hundred times for the first time and it was boring as a result.

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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