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The [Labor] Thread: Urge to strike... RISING

HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq.Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
edited August 2023 in Debate and/or Discourse
I'm shamelessly copying and pasting my old OP onto the new one.

This is a thread for talking about breaking news and current issues in the world of labor, both organized and unorganized. Feel free to post articles about the ongoing struggles of workers across the world, be they in big union shops or little mom and pop outfits. As well, matters pertaining to labor like anti-worker practices by governments and workplaces are also welcome.

I'm going to do a bit of a break from the norm in DnD threads and use the OP for links to resources my fellow workers can use to coordinate things like organizing campaigns in the workplace, filing unfair labor practice complaints, or just straight up reporting someone to OSHA for safety violations. I'll edit them in as time goes on.

In the words of countless workers before me: "Workers of the world, unite! All you have to lose are your chains!"

A handy site for workers: The Occupational Safety and Health Administration. Click through to get info on your rights as a worker, where and how to file a complaint against a treacherous employer, report a serious or fatal accident on a work site, and a link for submitting an occupational injury and illness report for 2020 (and soon, 2021!). There are also handy guides for finding out what safety equipment and tools your employer is legally obligated to provide to you as a worker if you don't already know.

A handy site for labor organizers: The National Labor Relations Board. In the same vein as OSHA, this is where you go to file info, links, forms, and decisions about employer vs. employee decisions handed down by the NLRB. You can register a complaint and file relevant paperwork through the site, access and file documents, view your own cases in their handy online portal, and just generally ensure your rights as an employee not to be fucked with so easily by greedy capitalist dogfuckers.

And last but not least: The American Federation of Labor/Congress of Industrial Organizations. This is the landing page for the biggest labor coordination organization outside of the federal government. On this page you'll find links to strike maps, locations for union chapter headquarters in your area (should you feel the desire to perhaps unionize your place of employment 😎 ), guides on organizing your workplace in multiple languages, and links to the websites of unions which may cover labor jurisdictions directly related to your type of work. Give 'em a look and see about maybe injecting some solidarity into your day-to-day life whydonchya.

Oh, and before I forget...

WORKERS OF THE WORLD, UNITE! ALL YOU HAVE TO LOSE ARE YOUR CHAINS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKhwitXvVj8

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited June 2023
    Fuck G/O Media, power to the union workers:

    Our statement on G/O Media’s plan to implement AI content, just days after laying off newsroom members
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    HamHamJHamHamJ Registered User regular
    Unfortunately investing in journalism doesn't make money, not when you are a pop culture website.

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    HefflingHeffling No Pic EverRegistered User regular
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    Unfortunately investing in journalism doesn't make money, not when you are a pop culture website.

    Investing in journalism makes sense if you're rich, because you control the messaging.

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    The Cow KingThe Cow King a island Registered User regular
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    Unfortunately investing in journalism doesn't make money, not when you are a pop culture website.

    It's be cool if things could exists without a profit motivation but welp *shrugs at our economic system*

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    The Cow KingThe Cow King a island Registered User regular
    I do nothing but generate profit and I get nothing from it

    Nothing

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited June 2023
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    Unfortunately investing in journalism doesn't make money, not when you are a pop culture website.

    Counter-point: These media outlets are profitable, that's why they get bought out.

    The new owners gut staff in order to keep making line go up, because "merely" maintaining current levels of profitability is unacceptable.

    For example: All of National Geographic's remaining staff writers just got laid off, despite profits being up 58%.

    Disney really just could not afford to pay the 19 people who kept National Geographic as an award winning and somehow still hugely popular magazine. With revenue last year up only 23% and profit up just 58%. They just had to do something to save the company. I can see that now.
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    (Tweeter is being sarcastic, if you couldn't tell.)

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    The Cow KingThe Cow King a island Registered User regular
    edited June 2023
    Can you do the job no longer exists and the rich folks killed off a shit ton of labour thanks to covid and now get mad that no one ones to work outdoors for minimum wage 😔in hazardous air quality

    Damn kids are just lazy id die for min wage!!

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    HamHamJHamHamJ Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    Unfortunately investing in journalism doesn't make money, not when you are a pop culture website.

    Counter-point: These media outlets are profitable, that's why they get bought out.

    The new owners gut staff in order to keep making line go up, because "merely" maintaining current levels of profitability is unacceptable.

    For example: All of National Geographic's remaining staff writers just got laid off, despite profits being up 58%.

    Disney really just could not afford to pay the 19 people who kept National Geographic as an award winning and somehow still hugely popular magazine. With revenue last year up only 23% and profit up just 58%. They just had to do something to save the company. I can see that now.
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    (Tweeter is being sarcastic, if you couldn't tell.)

    That seems to come entirely from whatever the hell "Income from continuing operations before income taxes" is. Businesses need to make decisions based on trends and forecasts and there is no way you can determine from that one table if National Geographic was actually operating sustainably and could be expected to continue to do so. Also why focus on the yearly numbers instead of the quarterly numbers, which instead indicate that it was making basically no profit?

    Internet ad revenue is in decline as far as I know so I am deeply skeptical that places like Kotaku are raking in the profits.

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    FANTOMASFANTOMAS Flan ArgentavisRegistered User regular
    Its not about Kotaku, its about National Geographic, completely different beast, wich given the information that we have it IS profitable. If you have proof that National Geographic was losing money, please share it.

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    HamHamJHamHamJ Registered User regular
    edited June 2023
    FANTOMAS wrote: »
    Its not about Kotaku, its about National Geographic, completely different beast, wich given the information that we have it IS profitable. If you have proof that National Geographic was losing money, please share it.

    Actually it is about Kotaku, and the other websites owned by G/O media, and National Geographic is a tangent. Even if it was profitable it is a physical prestige magazine, and not a good point of comparison.

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    HefflingHeffling No Pic EverRegistered User regular
    Disney is going all in on the AI hype train, so sadly, that's no surprise.

    Does the writer's guild cover magazine writers, or just Hollywood?

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    FANTOMAS wrote: »
    Its not about Kotaku, its about National Geographic, completely different beast, wich given the information that we have it IS profitable. If you have proof that National Geographic was losing money, please share it.

    Actually it is about Kotaku, and the other websites owned by G/O media, and National Geographic is a tangent. Even if it was profitable it is a physical prestige magazine, and not a good point of comparison.

    The motherfucker who just gutted G/O Media has done this multiple times before to other online outlets.

    Those outlets were profitable and popular, that's why he wanted to buy them.

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    KamarKamar Registered User regular
    edited June 2023
    Even as someone not particularly hostile to AI and expecting it will be able to do this stuff eventually, companies jumping into AI as a replacement for high-quality professionals for content creation right now seem deluded. Or just hoping to ride the cut costs through to success without flaming out because of the drop in quality in the interim.

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    override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited June 2023
    Kamar wrote: »
    Even as someone not particularly hostile to AI and expecting it will be able to do this stuff eventually, companies jumping into AI as a replacement for high-quality professionals for content creation right now seem deluded. Or just hoping to ride the cut costs through to success without flaming out because of the drop in quality in the interim.

    Yes there are companies right now I know of from professional contacts firing service desk people to replace like 3 of them with 1 dude being paid $12 an hour to use chatgpt

    that guy wont even know what to fucking type to get the answers he wants

    ChatGpt is very helpful for tracking down the right setting in something or creating a powershell command, but its wrong enough, spectacularly so, that the person using it should be able to suss it out on their own over time otherwise it's just a hilarious way to have someone with domain admin access like, turn off a critical service or start an update in the middle of a day or some shit because chatgpt told him to

    chatgpt will have some sap waste hours trying fixes for something like SCREEN WONT TURN ON when the issue is "Microsoft docks suck and you just have to power cycle the dock"

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    In (potential) strike news, UPS is asking the Teamsters for more time to bargain, but thus far the Teamsters don't seem inclined to give it to them. Hope y'all get your packages sorted and shipped before the July 5th deadline, because if not, it could be a while before they get to your doorstep.

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    ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    I had a TV originally scheduled to show up on the 5th, and then I received an update saying "well actually it'll be the 17th. Or maybe the 25th, or, you know, someday."

    I originally thought it was just Walmart sucking, but maybe it has to do with negotiations?

    (Walmart sucks regardless.)

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    ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    Kamar wrote: »
    Even as someone not particularly hostile to AI and expecting it will be able to do this stuff eventually, companies jumping into AI as a replacement for high-quality professionals for content creation right now seem deluded. Or just hoping to ride the cut costs through to success without flaming out because of the drop in quality in the interim.

    I will note that A/V Club is a trash fire now, but despite its trashfire status I have not stopped visiting it, even though every time I do I think "wow, trash".

    So yeah, they might be able to ride it out.

    (I am not proud.)

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    GnizmoGnizmo Registered User regular
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    In (potential) strike news, UPS is asking the Teamsters for more time to bargain, but thus far the Teamsters don't seem inclined to give it to them. Hope y'all get your packages sorted and shipped before the July 5th deadline, because if not, it could be a while before they get to your doorstep.

    Oof. I really hope UPS does the right thing quickly. I need to have one of my more important for survival medicines over night shipped to me. I fucking hate how every aspect of life can end up at the whim of rich fucks who can't be content with having everything in life.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Kamar wrote: »
    Even as someone not particularly hostile to AI and expecting it will be able to do this stuff eventually, companies jumping into AI as a replacement for high-quality professionals for content creation right now seem deluded. Or just hoping to ride the cut costs through to success without flaming out because of the drop in quality in the interim.

    I will note that A/V Club is a trash fire now, but despite its trashfire status I have not stopped visiting it, even though every time I do I think "wow, trash".

    So yeah, they might be able to ride it out.

    (I am not proud.)

    Yeah, back in 2021 the site was gutted of its senior staff when the offices were moved from Chicago to LA and they were given the option to either move to LA, with no CoL adjustment, or get severance.

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    Martini_PhilosopherMartini_Philosopher Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Kamar wrote: »
    Even as someone not particularly hostile to AI and expecting it will be able to do this stuff eventually, companies jumping into AI as a replacement for high-quality professionals for content creation right now seem deluded. Or just hoping to ride the cut costs through to success without flaming out because of the drop in quality in the interim.

    I will note that A/V Club is a trash fire now, but despite its trashfire status I have not stopped visiting it, even though every time I do I think "wow, trash".

    So yeah, they might be able to ride it out.

    (I am not proud.)

    Yeah, back in 2021 the site was gutted of its senior staff when the offices were moved from Chicago to LA and they were given the option to either move to LA, with no CoL adjustment, or get severance.

    Further insult to injury was the fact that the Chicago office had voted to unionize. The letter asking for recognition was being ignored up until the announcement.

    Fun times we're living through.

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    ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    I had a TV originally scheduled to show up on the 5th, and then I received an update saying "well actually it'll be the 17th. Or maybe the 25th, or, you know, someday."

    I originally thought it was just Walmart sucking, but maybe it has to do with negotiations?

    (Walmart sucks regardless.)

    Could be both. Depending on the TV they're could be an inventory issue, that happens a lot with us when the stock is technically available when you buy but oops it was already in someone's hand in the store.

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    Man in the MistsMan in the Mists Registered User regular
    Welp, looks like the talks between the Teamsters and UPS broke down. Make it hurt Teamsters, it's the only way the corporate jackasses going to play fair.

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    ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    Er, I think you mean, "Make it hurt, Teamsters ..."

    That comma has an outsize impact, there. :D

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular

    From North Carolina to the Pacific Northwest and Kentucky to Arizona, practice picket lines have already picked up steam.

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    GilgaronGilgaron Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Kamar wrote: »
    Even as someone not particularly hostile to AI and expecting it will be able to do this stuff eventually, companies jumping into AI as a replacement for high-quality professionals for content creation right now seem deluded. Or just hoping to ride the cut costs through to success without flaming out because of the drop in quality in the interim.

    I will note that A/V Club is a trash fire now, but despite its trashfire status I have not stopped visiting it, even though every time I do I think "wow, trash".

    So yeah, they might be able to ride it out.

    (I am not proud.)

    Yeah, back in 2021 the site was gutted of its senior staff when the offices were moved from Chicago to LA and they were given the option to either move to LA, with no CoL adjustment, or get severance.

    AV Club had always been one of my favorite webpages, although I guess in our new streaming dystopia with all its balkanization and where they're pulling shows off left and right the reviews would be harder to keep relevant.

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    ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    Gilgaron wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Kamar wrote: »
    Even as someone not particularly hostile to AI and expecting it will be able to do this stuff eventually, companies jumping into AI as a replacement for high-quality professionals for content creation right now seem deluded. Or just hoping to ride the cut costs through to success without flaming out because of the drop in quality in the interim.

    I will note that A/V Club is a trash fire now, but despite its trashfire status I have not stopped visiting it, even though every time I do I think "wow, trash".

    So yeah, they might be able to ride it out.

    (I am not proud.)

    Yeah, back in 2021 the site was gutted of its senior staff when the offices were moved from Chicago to LA and they were given the option to either move to LA, with no CoL adjustment, or get severance.

    AV Club had always been one of my favorite webpages, although I guess in our new streaming dystopia with all its balkanization and where they're pulling shows off left and right the reviews would be harder to keep relevant.

    They were pioneers in their field, deleting their old content and making what was still there nigh impossible to find long before streaming services started doing it.

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    Stabbity StyleStabbity Style He/Him | Warning: Mothership Reporting Kennewick, WARegistered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Gilgaron wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Kamar wrote: »
    Even as someone not particularly hostile to AI and expecting it will be able to do this stuff eventually, companies jumping into AI as a replacement for high-quality professionals for content creation right now seem deluded. Or just hoping to ride the cut costs through to success without flaming out because of the drop in quality in the interim.

    I will note that A/V Club is a trash fire now, but despite its trashfire status I have not stopped visiting it, even though every time I do I think "wow, trash".

    So yeah, they might be able to ride it out.

    (I am not proud.)

    Yeah, back in 2021 the site was gutted of its senior staff when the offices were moved from Chicago to LA and they were given the option to either move to LA, with no CoL adjustment, or get severance.

    AV Club had always been one of my favorite webpages, although I guess in our new streaming dystopia with all its balkanization and where they're pulling shows off left and right the reviews would be harder to keep relevant.

    They were pioneers in their field, deleting their old content and making what was still there nigh impossible to find long before streaming services started doing it.

    God, I'm still bummed about all those AV Undercover videos in which they got bands to come in and cover songs from other bands being deleted from the internet. A lot of those were very good! A small handful got reuploaded but most are lost to time or are sitting on an unindexed corner of the internet in a share drive or something.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J85N8kvsdd0

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    ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User regular
    The National Labor Review Board decided it was time to lightly work Starbucks over with a crowbar over their general behaviour towards the idea of unions:
    ITHACA, N.Y.—Starbucks is being ordered to reopen its Collegetown location in Ithaca after the company closed it in June 2022 and reinstate the workers at the store as part of a sweeping decision by a judge from the National Labor Review Board (NLRB).

    Deputy Chief Administrative Law Judge Arthur Amchan issued a decision Thursday, and found the company violated federal labor law on numerous occasions, most of which were related to the treatment of 13 employees at the company’s three unionized store locations in Ithaca — all of which have ceased operations with Starbucks’ move to close its Meadow and Seneca Streets locations in May. While the decision does support several of the workers’ complaints, the functional future of the Collegetown store, and whether it will reopen in the near-term, remains in question.

    Amchan wrote in his decision that the closure of the Collegetown location was “done in large part to discourage unionization efforts in Ithaca and elsewhere.”

    . . .

    While Amchan’s decision sets the stage for the case to continue, Starbucks Workers United lawyer Mike Dolce said the Collegetown store will remain closed unless the NLRB files and successfully pursues an injunction in federal court, in support of Amchan’s decision. Such an injunction could legally require Starbucks to reopen at least the Collegetown Starbucks location while the legal battle continues into the future. If that injunction is not granted, the locations would not be legally forced to reopen until the legal battle is resolved—if the eventual findings are in favor of the workers. It is unclear if or when the NLRB intends to file such an injunction.

    The article includes the text of the decision, for those who like to delve into such things.

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    Kane Red RobeKane Red Robe Master of Magic ArcanusRegistered User regular
    What good does it do to reopen the stores a year or more later? Do the workers get back pay?

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    DaimarDaimar A Million Feet Tall of Awesome Registered User regular
    Probably more about sending a message to corporations that you can't just shut down a location that has unionized when the sole purpose of the close is because of the union. Just like closing a store is a message to staff at other locations that they had better not unionize or they're out of a job.

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    Void SlayerVoid Slayer Very Suspicious Registered User regular
    It sounds like just one part of the remedy, but regaining a job is something the union should fight for on behalf of their members regardless.

    At least then they have the option to go back or move on/stay at whatever new job they got.

    I would hope any federal injunction would also include forbidding them from closing stores like this in response to unionizing im the future without a hearing first.

    The real penalty I would like to see for this kind of behavior would be a mandatory unionizing vote conducted at every location.

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    OrcaOrca Also known as Espressosaurus WrexRegistered User regular
    Daimar wrote: »
    Probably more about sending a message to corporations that you can't just shut down a location that has unionized when the sole purpose of the close is because of the union. Just like closing a store is a message to staff at other locations that they had better not unionize or they're out of a job.

    If the NLRB comes down hard on that practice it would be fantastic. I remember reading about Walmart pulling the plug on stores to prevent unionization. It’s a classic move when you’ve got hundreds of locations and any single one just doesn’t matter to you as the owner, but matters to the individual employees since it’s a major employer where they live.

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    MillMill Registered User regular
    Feels like forcing the company to pay back pay, even if the employees weren't working for them anymore. Would do a far better job at sending a message.

    I'd also another more impactful action that would send the message through clearer. Would be to tell the company to not only fuck off with fines and having to compensate the terminated employees, but to also stipulate that all stores under the company are not unionized and their employees are free to sign up with the union. As in no need to hold a vote on whether they want to unionize because the company has demonstrated that such a vote can't be held, since the union busting behavior is going to intimidate people that might want to unionize away from voting for it. Plus, it puts these fuckers in a spot where they have to put up with it or leave the industry altogether.

    All that said, I maintain that we really need a law on the fucking books that kills at will terminations. An employer has to justify firing employees because a loss of a job can be very detrimental to people; especially, in a shithole like the US, where insurance is tied to employment. Losing a job can fuck you up pretty bad, more so if you need health insurance, and create a situation where you end up in a hole that is very hard to crawl out of. So an employer has to show justification for cutting some one. That either showing documentation that employee either did shit that justify the firing or wasn't doing enough to justify keeping their job. Maybe that will encourage managers to do a better fucking job at management and also encourage companies to get good managers rather than the bullshit system that most companies have now. Where most managers are shit because they never got the skills needed and only have the job because of who they knew. Also kills the whole abusive manager culture, where it's "I'm going to micro everything and ride people's asses because management is all about displaying power!"

    It would also mean that companies would maybe be forced to really justify layoffs or phasing out shit that results in job loses. Might even be a way to tackle some of the bullshit wealth inequality going on. "No, you can't just say the economy is slowing or you think it might be slowing and then cut a bunch of jobs." You now have to show documentation that your company is in a position where it doesn't have a choice, but to cut jobs, while also showing that there aren't other areas they could prune first. Like excessive executive pay or "gee, maybe you shouldn't have done those stock buybacks or hell, maybe cut this one asshole executive that keeps getting you into costly legal fights."

    Also no, I don't think we should require employees to have to give two weeks notice, but they should have to state if they quit. Yeah, some people will be asses about it, but again, job loss can be incredibly disruptive for someone. It shouldn't be too detrimental for a business that is running things well. Not treating you people like shit means, that employees are likely to give notice that they are leaving. Adequately staffing, so that things don't go to shit because someone gets sick, quits or goes on vacation.

    Granted, I agree with the idea that we should require businesses to have to have a union. Kills all the bullshit on union busting and also kills much of the shit where petty ass tyrant bosses make interactions with the union as antagonistic as possible. They are stuck with them, so now they need to figure out how to get the most out of the arrangement as possible and being a giant dick ensures they get the least out of it. If a business cannot succeed because it has unionize employees, the it was likely a business that was either going to fail or if it doesn't fail, it was likely succeeding solely off of ruthlessly exploiting it's employees.

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    Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    Two-week notice isn't any kind of requirement, it's an arbitrary practice and duration and you only do it if you're being polite.

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    MillMill Registered User regular
    I want to say some places in Europe require it as the concession for employers having to not only give notice, but justify terminating people. So figured it might come up and I'm thoroughly against it ever being required because employers can fucking deal and the decent or better ones will probably always get a heads up that someone is leaving.

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    DaimarDaimar A Million Feet Tall of Awesome Registered User regular
    Two-week notice isn't any kind of requirement, it's an arbitrary practice and duration and you only do it if you're being polite.

    It is a requirement in most provinces in Canada I think, at least in Alberta an employee is required to give 1 week notice if they have been working for more than 90 days but less than 2 years and 2 weeks notice if they have worked for over 2 years.

    https://www.alberta.ca/termination-pay.aspx

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Gilgaron wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Kamar wrote: »
    Even as someone not particularly hostile to AI and expecting it will be able to do this stuff eventually, companies jumping into AI as a replacement for high-quality professionals for content creation right now seem deluded. Or just hoping to ride the cut costs through to success without flaming out because of the drop in quality in the interim.

    I will note that A/V Club is a trash fire now, but despite its trashfire status I have not stopped visiting it, even though every time I do I think "wow, trash".

    So yeah, they might be able to ride it out.

    (I am not proud.)

    Yeah, back in 2021 the site was gutted of its senior staff when the offices were moved from Chicago to LA and they were given the option to either move to LA, with no CoL adjustment, or get severance.

    AV Club had always been one of my favorite webpages, although I guess in our new streaming dystopia with all its balkanization and where they're pulling shows off left and right the reviews would be harder to keep relevant.

    They were pioneers in their field, deleting their old content and making what was still there nigh impossible to find long before streaming services started doing it.

    It's amazing to watch a site that reviews TV decide "But why would a TV show need a central page on our site? Surely people will just search each episode individually."

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    Void SlayerVoid Slayer Very Suspicious Registered User regular
    It looks like the 2 week employee notice is actually a protection for the employee?

    It means an employer cant just claim the employee quit on the spot when they want to terminate but have to follow the 2 week or termination pay.

    It looks like nothing stops an employee from calling out or using vacation time for the last two weeks and they have no penalty for doing so besides maybe losing the normal pay?

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    DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    It looks like the 2 week employee notice is actually a protection for the employee?

    It means an employer cant just claim the employee quit on the spot when they want to terminate but have to follow the 2 week or termination pay.

    It looks like nothing stops an employee from calling out or using vacation time for the last two weeks and they have no penalty for doing so besides maybe losing the normal pay?

    In the EU it is usually the result of people actually having employment contracts instead of just "at-will" employment. The stipulated notice period in those contracts is almost always reciprocal. You quit? You tell them two weeks (or more) ahead of time. They fire you? They give you two weeks notice before your last day.

    In the US the courtesy of the first is often expected from places that would never do the second.

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    It looks like the 2 week employee notice is actually a protection for the employee?

    It means an employer cant just claim the employee quit on the spot when they want to terminate but have to follow the 2 week or termination pay.

    It looks like nothing stops an employee from calling out or using vacation time for the last two weeks and they have no penalty for doing so besides maybe losing the normal pay?

    In the EU it is usually the result of people actually having employment contracts instead of just "at-will" employment. The stipulated notice period in those contracts is almost always reciprocal. You quit? You tell them two weeks (or more) ahead of time. They fire you? They give you two weeks notice before your last day.

    In the US the courtesy of the first is often expected from places that would never do the second.

    Also sometimes they just pay you out for the two weeks and show you the door right away.

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