I dunno about magic but I used to play YGO and even the most bullshit decks from my time can't come close to touching the Turn 1 I Win nonsense I see coming out of Duel Masters these days
Once you get into the last few rounds of high level tournaments it also turns into Bo5 instead of Bo3
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Which is why the YGO content I consume is mainly people playing battle city era character decks, or bringing the Egyptian god cards into ranked play.
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If you don't achieve an ftk or are well on your way to winning by the end of turn 1 then you're significantly behind on tempo
Which is sad because one of the big reasons I started to play Master Duel was to try out the Gravekeeper deck I've always wanted but sitting for five minutes on round 1 for the opponent to finish their massive combo (of which they could have already beaten me on same turn halfway into it but felt they had more cards to play) got real annoying.
If you don't achieve an ftk or are well on your way to winning by the end of turn 1 then you're significantly behind on tempo
Which is sad because one of the big reasons I started to play Master Duel was to try out the Gravekeeper deck I've always wanted but sitting for five minutes on round 1 for the opponent to finish their massive combo (of which they could have already beaten me on same turn halfway into it but felt they had more cards to play) got real annoying.
Yeah at a certain level every single game of yugioh feels pretty unironically like
Yugioh is a good example of why you want the people running your card game to have an interest in maintaining and supporting multiple formats. Stuff where you get to play the whole history of a card game's life is good and important and should be there! But dammit there should also be a mode where I can interact with cards that actually care about the regular pace of the game
Yugioh is a good example of why you want the people running your card game to have an interest in maintaining and supporting multiple formats. Stuff where you get to play the whole history of a card game's life is good and important and should be there! But dammit there should also be a mode where I can interact with cards that actually care about the regular pace of the game
Honestly I wouldn't even say that's the main issue
The shit they've released in the past ~5 years is so fuckin busted that it doesn't really matter that you can play cards from 2003 because, other than a few exceptions, there's not much reason to do so
Like Blue-Eyes is a whole ass archetype now but the odds of a blue-eyes deck actually fielding the original Blue-Eyes White Dragon is fairly low, and if it does its just there as sacrificial fodder
Like if we're talking formats then I'd rather ones that look backwards and ban things like pendulums, links, etc
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Yugioh is a good example of why you want the people running your card game to have an interest in maintaining and supporting multiple formats. Stuff where you get to play the whole history of a card game's life is good and important and should be there! But dammit there should also be a mode where I can interact with cards that actually care about the regular pace of the game
Honestly I wouldn't even say that's the main issue
The shit they've released in the past ~5 years is so fuckin busted that it doesn't really matter that you can play cards from 2003 because, other than a few exceptions, there's not much reason to do so
Like Blue-Eyes is a whole ass archetype now but the odds of a blue-eyes deck actually fielding the original Blue-Eyes White Dragon is fairly low, and if it does its just there as sacrificial fodder
Like if we're talking formats then I'd rather ones that look backwards and ban things like pendulums, links, etc
I mean a lot of the iconic cards are just....bad. Simply because they weren't designed at all, they were just a neat story gimmick used by a manga author. So you have the devastating Blue Eyes White Dragon a card that does.....nothing except be a 3k beatstick that requires two summons.
There's definitely formats you can do, like goat format or edison format, but I don't think there is a mode for those on Master Duel
(note: i do not play YGO other than two GBA games I have. I like to watch other people play YGO when they are playing extremely low power decks).
I think INATP has the right of it: the issue is the power creep and the fact that there is only really one format supported.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Yugioh is a good example of why you want the people running your card game to have an interest in maintaining and supporting multiple formats. Stuff where you get to play the whole history of a card game's life is good and important and should be there! But dammit there should also be a mode where I can interact with cards that actually care about the regular pace of the game
Honestly I wouldn't even say that's the main issue
The shit they've released in the past ~5 years is so fuckin busted that it doesn't really matter that you can play cards from 2003 because, other than a few exceptions, there's not much reason to do so
Like Blue-Eyes is a whole ass archetype now but the odds of a blue-eyes deck actually fielding the original Blue-Eyes White Dragon is fairly low, and if it does its just there as sacrificial fodder
Like if we're talking formats then I'd rather ones that look backwards and ban things like pendulums, links, etc
I mean a lot of the iconic cards are just....bad. Simply because they weren't designed at all, they were just a neat story gimmick used by a manga author. So you have the devastating Blue Eyes White Dragon a card that does.....nothing except be a 3k beatstick that requires two summons.
There's definitely formats you can do, like goat format or edison format, but I don't think there is a mode for those on Master Duel
(note: i do not play YGO other than two GBA games I have. I like to watch other people play YGO when they are playing extremely low power decks).
I think INATP has the right of it: the issue is the power creep and the fact that there is only really one format supported.
I made a pretty solid deck in master Duel just built around summoning and resummoning the original BEWD, using it to make the BEUD or the five god dragon or just swinging away on its own
It got solid results until I hit platinum tier at which point I ran into the thing we're talking about where I needed more than 1-2 turns to win and thus it sucked
The prospect of being mana starved in Magic is less sketchy to me than topdecking lands
Draw becomes significantly more powerful than other systems since a certain amount of drawing is your resource system, but draw's already powerful in any system for just looking at more options
Measuring the power of draw based on resource system is a bit like trying to measure whether 9.99999999 is bigger than 9.99999999. If we zoom in close enough, one is probably bigger. But practically speaking, they're both 9.99999999. Drawing cards is generating resources in every game, because cards are resources.
Yugioh is a good example of why you want the people running your card game to have an interest in maintaining and supporting multiple formats. Stuff where you get to play the whole history of a card game's life is good and important and should be there! But dammit there should also be a mode where I can interact with cards that actually care about the regular pace of the game
Honestly I wouldn't even say that's the main issue
The shit they've released in the past ~5 years is so fuckin busted that it doesn't really matter that you can play cards from 2003 because, other than a few exceptions, there's not much reason to do so
Like Blue-Eyes is a whole ass archetype now but the odds of a blue-eyes deck actually fielding the original Blue-Eyes White Dragon is fairly low, and if it does its just there as sacrificial fodder
Like if we're talking formats then I'd rather ones that look backwards and ban things like pendulums, links, etc
See but actually you're describing a problem that exists because of the choices our great venerated japanese cartoon brought up. The reason why modern day cards are so juiced is because every set has to give you a new reason to purchase it over the last set and because there is only one format for competitive play in Yu-Gi-Oh then that is the power level that they have to juice. Magic's rotating card pool means that generally the designers do not have to care if there is even a single card that is legacy playable in a standard set. The only sets that a card needs to matter in are the recent ones.
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Because I personally like it more and because netrunner isn't owned and operated by a corporation that calls the Pinkertons on people
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If you don't achieve an ftk or are well on your way to winning by the end of turn 1 then you're significantly behind on tempo
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Which is sad because one of the big reasons I started to play Master Duel was to try out the Gravekeeper deck I've always wanted but sitting for five minutes on round 1 for the opponent to finish their massive combo (of which they could have already beaten me on same turn halfway into it but felt they had more cards to play) got real annoying.
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Yeah at a certain level every single game of yugioh feels pretty unironically like
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Honestly I wouldn't even say that's the main issue
The shit they've released in the past ~5 years is so fuckin busted that it doesn't really matter that you can play cards from 2003 because, other than a few exceptions, there's not much reason to do so
Like Blue-Eyes is a whole ass archetype now but the odds of a blue-eyes deck actually fielding the original Blue-Eyes White Dragon is fairly low, and if it does its just there as sacrificial fodder
Like if we're talking formats then I'd rather ones that look backwards and ban things like pendulums, links, etc
http://www.audioentropy.com/
I don't even think links and pendulums are bad in and of themselves
It's just that links in specific are the home of a lot of the cards that have caused the absurd increase in tempo
Some Xyzs too
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I mean a lot of the iconic cards are just....bad. Simply because they weren't designed at all, they were just a neat story gimmick used by a manga author. So you have the devastating Blue Eyes White Dragon a card that does.....nothing except be a 3k beatstick that requires two summons.
There's definitely formats you can do, like goat format or edison format, but I don't think there is a mode for those on Master Duel
(note: i do not play YGO other than two GBA games I have. I like to watch other people play YGO when they are playing extremely low power decks).
I think INATP has the right of it: the issue is the power creep and the fact that there is only really one format supported.
I made a pretty solid deck in master Duel just built around summoning and resummoning the original BEWD, using it to make the BEUD or the five god dragon or just swinging away on its own
It got solid results until I hit platinum tier at which point I ran into the thing we're talking about where I needed more than 1-2 turns to win and thus it sucked
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Then hahahaha, a real mlp ccg comes out
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
Draw becomes significantly more powerful than other systems since a certain amount of drawing is your resource system, but draw's already powerful in any system for just looking at more options
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See but actually you're describing a problem that exists because of the choices our great venerated japanese cartoon brought up. The reason why modern day cards are so juiced is because every set has to give you a new reason to purchase it over the last set and because there is only one format for competitive play in Yu-Gi-Oh then that is the power level that they have to juice. Magic's rotating card pool means that generally the designers do not have to care if there is even a single card that is legacy playable in a standard set. The only sets that a card needs to matter in are the recent ones.
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That's the Vtuber Matara Kan, lol.
I think this is one one of those instances where his satire sometimes loops around to being actually offensive.
I'd assume that this is some kind of alternate path, though, given the special circumstances.