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On the one hand, it’s stupid that that’s a violation
On the other hand, fuck gambling in general
On the third hand fuck the NFL for the hypocrisy of getting into bed with gambling and expecting players not to participate
I still remember the most bullshit warning/infraction I ever ate, when Tube took offense to me telling some rando that nobody wanted to hear about his gambling addiction in the NFL thread and that he should seek help for it.
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I’m in the UK and a friend at work wanted to start a fantasy league and just needed people to make up the numbers.
So I thought I’d just put a bit effort in so it wouldn’t just be a stroll for him. Came 2nd out of 6.
Next year the league increased to 8 (which I won) and then last year it went to 14 (came 2nd).
Last year I went to the London game (Ravens vs Titans which was a great experience; we chatted to some people who’d flown over from Baltimore) and then a bunch of us met up to watch the superbowl in a pub.
So fantasy got me into enjoying the sport; it’s gotten other people interested and also it’s got a bunch of people to be friends.
But gambling can fuck off; it’s similar to all the clubs and sponsors here in how closely linked it is. Then you get a footballer who makes bets and he gets banned. Despite wearing a shirt with a betting company on. Against a guy wearing another betting company. Maybe that club has a “partnership” that has a gambling company on its app. All the billboards are covered in ads. Fucks sake one of the leagues is named after a betting company. Also, all those ads when there’s a break? Betting companies.
They’re a stain and not regulated enough considering the damage they cause.
Luckily I’m completely not affected by it, but you are bombarded the entire time. They say they won’t advertise on TV before certain times but that excludes YouTube which will happily show you an ad first thing in the morning until the end.
Anyway I like Fantasy; it’s got me looking forward to what’s scheduled for London.
I'm not a fan of gambling, but it should be obvious that the players shouldn't be betting on their own performance. Some casinos don't even let you play where you work, let alone while on duty.
It sounds like this was a handshake bet between 2 college teammates. And then one of them blabbed about it, like an idiot. If no one knows about it, I don't see how it's a problem.
The least unsurprising thing is that the Giants appear to have drafted a receiver who appears already able to carry on the legacy of being an idiot off the field.
I'm not a fan of gambling, but it should be obvious that the players shouldn't be betting on their own performance. Some casinos don't even let you play where you work, let alone while on duty.
Yes, but there’s a difference between betting on yourself to win an individual award (like this), and betting on yourself or your team to suck.
The incentives line up. Unless I guess you’re worried about one of them undermining their team to get more highlights?
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Players are not allowed to gamble on sports period. The players union and nfl are both pretty united in that regard. And there are a lot of good reasons for that. Gambling is corrosive and there is a lot of opportunities for corruption, so it’s best to have a hard no on it in all cases, no wiggle room.
Now if I were one of those Rookies I would say that the statement was made in jest and we didn’t actually make a bet.
I'm not a fan of gambling, but it should be obvious that the players shouldn't be betting on their own performance. Some casinos don't even let you play where you work, let alone while on duty.
Yes, but there’s a difference between betting on yourself to win an individual award (like this), and betting on yourself or your team to suck.
The incentives line up. Unless I guess you’re worried about one of them undermining their team to get more highlights?
Coach calls a run. QB audibles to pass because he's gotta put up some numbers for his bet. He's making decisions based on the scoreboard for another game.
By the way, that gambling ad revenue is factored into the salary cap. The players are the house, they are the roulette ball, they are the dealer, they cannot also be the customer.
I don't have a problem with the concept of sports gambling.
My issue lies mainly with it's constancy in the public sphere. Make it regulated, make it available, make it otherwise hidden. You want to know the odds? You need to go looking, not have it shoved in your face.
8yo's shouldn't be poring over the newspaper checking the betting odds. People who want to avoid it because they know it is a problem shouldn't have it shoved in their face or have to stop watching. And it's just fucking everywhere if you do have an interest in NFL.
I'm not fond of Mina Kimes advertising it, but I do find it funny that her disclaimers after the ad, often sped up 1.5+ speed, are often longer than the ads themselves, to the point when I listen to them, by the time she's finished, I know she just did a promo for a betting company, but I literally couldn't remember which one.
Yeah, I stopped listening to ESPN radio because every story was about betting lines in some way. Every conversation shoehorned betting lines or how the employees were betting. It was fucking gross that I couldn't get content without someone's monetary needs being a part of the bit.
I don't have any moral qualms with gambling, but I'm too risk averse to putting my own money on something I'm an amateur at. I love fantasy football though and I do daily fantasy football stuff through fanduel with my friends that doesn't require any of us to put any money on the line. All of the games around the sport add a lot of enjoyment to watching it.
it's less that sports betting is a per se problem than it is they're pretty clearly selling an addictive behavior; I don't know if there's any public data on this but I strongly suspect it's pretty similar to other addictive behaviors/substances, with the bulk of the revenue coming from a relatively small number of people whose addiction is being exploited for profit
Like, going to a proper sports book/bar and throwing a few bucks on a couple games is pretty fun (imo) as a recreational activity, but the person doing that is clearly not the target of all these adds for online third quarter prop bets
it was the smallest on the list but
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Gambling in sports betting is always in the house’s favor. What gets people into trouble is thinking otherwise or mistaking luck/chance as skill. Between this and something like OnlyFans, it’s opened my eyes to how much money men will sink into things that give basically nothing in return.
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it's less that sports betting is a per se problem than it is they're pretty clearly selling an addictive behavior; I don't know if there's any public data on this but I strongly suspect it's pretty similar to other addictive behaviors/substances, with the bulk of the revenue coming from a relatively small number of people whose addiction is being exploited for profit
Like, going to a proper sports book/bar and throwing a few bucks on a couple games is pretty fun (imo) as a recreational activity, but the person doing that is clearly not the target of all these adds for online third quarter prop bets
Nevada has a lot of data on gambling, because of regulations. And the biggest money maker by a long shot are penny slots. Billions of dollars in profit. Triple the most profitable card game (blackjack). And penny slots are not games whales play. And I suspect that sports betting is much the same. A lot of money of course comes from a small population, but the biggest chunk of money comes from a wider group.
I think advertising for any gambling should be outlawed though.
In We Certainly Don't Need This Bullshit news, Washington head coach, Dan Quinn, wore a t-shirt with the current team logo but also included the feathers from the old team logo.
Basically, he wore a shirt on his own prerogative that is basically bootleg merchandise. And now it has spurned more dumbshit rumours that the team will switch back and lots of links have popped up offering to sell bootleg merch.
Unlikely to put that particular brand of toothpaste back in the tube.
Sadly right. I was thinking it'd be possible to curtail the worst excesses by cutting down on the excessive advertising/marketing, and was going to post as such.
But then I remembered just how regulatory captured Congress is, and these companies will drop massive amounts to keep the current status quo, if not expand it further.
I was gonna say the same thing. But $42M a year is no longer ridiculous. Cousins is on about that. Herbert is on about that. Most decent QB's are in the $40M range. Several worse are up there. Jones, Baker and Carr are on mid $30's.
It being guaranteed* is the only real issue. And even then, the market for "starting calibre or better QB" is just gonna continue to accelerate. And given the Lions probably don't think they'll be picking in the top 10 any time soon, locking up Goff doesn't seem like a terrible decision.
* and I'd not be surprised if "guaranteed" isn't some bullshit. NFL are masters of just redefining words. Could just mean it's what he gets if he's on the team, ie, it's not incentive based.
As long as their receivers don't get hurt, I don't hate the move.
I was gonna say the same thing. But $42M a year is no longer ridiculous. Cousins is on about that. Herbert is on about that. Most decent QB's are in the $40M range. Several worse are up there. Jones, Baker and Carr are on mid $30's.
It being guaranteed* is the only real issue. And even then, the market for "starting calibre or better QB" is just gonna continue to accelerate. And given the Lions probably don't think they'll be picking in the top 10 any time soon, locking up Goff doesn't seem like a terrible decision.
* and I'd not be surprised if "guaranteed" isn't some bullshit. NFL are masters of just redefining words. Could just mean it's what he gets if he's on the team, ie, it's not incentive based.
As long as their receivers don't get hurt, I don't hate the move.
He's the 2nd highest annual average salary behind Joe Burrow. That $170 million is how much is guaranteed, not the total. That would be $212 million. He's well past being paid for decent.
I was gonna say the same thing. But $42M a year is no longer ridiculous. Cousins is on about that. Herbert is on about that. Most decent QB's are in the $40M range. Several worse are up there. Jones, Baker and Carr are on mid $30's.
It being guaranteed* is the only real issue. And even then, the market for "starting calibre or better QB" is just gonna continue to accelerate. And given the Lions probably don't think they'll be picking in the top 10 any time soon, locking up Goff doesn't seem like a terrible decision.
* and I'd not be surprised if "guaranteed" isn't some bullshit. NFL are masters of just redefining words. Could just mean it's what he gets if he's on the team, ie, it's not incentive based.
As long as their receivers don't get hurt, I don't hate the move.
He's the 2nd highest annual average salary behind Joe Burrow. That $170 million is how much is guaranteed, not the total. That would be $212 million. He's well past being paid for decent.
I mean I guess at 4 years the question is whether this contract completely closes your window.
If it doesn't, when can you walk away from it without too big of a hit?
And also, if it all falls apart somehow in year one then by the time you've managed to strip it all down and rebuild he's off of your roster/payroll anyway
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Yes, non-guaranteed money is the biggest crock of shit.
Goff might be the right guy in the right place at the right time (jury’s still out on that, for me at least) but even then, I can’t fathom him getting that money.
Brad Holmes is just going all in on “I was the only guy on the Rams that saw Goff’s true potential.”
Spotrac doesn't have the entire contract yet, but his cap hit for 2024 is $32 million. Since his aav is $53 million, that cap hit is going to balloon pretty quickly. Whether he gets every dollar or not seems irrelevant. The Lions have declared themselves good enough as is to win a Super Bowl. They are transitioning from taking big swings to trying to improve on the margins. It's really hard to beat the Chiefs at that approach.
The Lions aren't going to be bad enough to get many early picks. They can swing on a qb prospect in the 3rd or 4th round in a couple of years. I don't see a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady to come swooping in for the last years of their playing days to get them a championship. It makes sense that they would pay the qb that they have when things are working and roll the dice.
Kind of ironically the only way they get an elite QB is to trade for one on a shitty team. Closest available thing would involve shipping Goff back to LA for Herbert? Which would be kind of funny.
But also Detroit kinda fell in love with the guy. Randomly chanting Jared Goff at basically any public event for the last four months.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
It's hard to have any opinion on this till the full contract comes out. But as others have mentioned, what were the Lions going to do? Detroit loves Goff, the players love Goff, and the staff loves Goff. He was the QB and got the Lions to a place they haven't been in 32 years (one could argue Goff played well enough last post season to win a SB if not for a comedy of errors by others on the team). The numbers are high, but that's how this goes. Did Joe Flacco really deserve that contract extension after the SB? Probably not, but that's how this goes. If Jordan Love gets the Packers to the playoffs next year, his contract is going to be higher than Goffs. Dak Prescott's is going to beat Goffs.
Again, once the contract comes out, we'll get a better idea. Did they back load the contract? How much is in the signing bonus?
Jared Goff v Matthew Stafford numbers since their trade, FREAKY
since the 2021 trade...
Goff: 24 wins
Stafford: 24 wins
Goff: 66% comp %
Stafford: 66% comp %
Goff: 41 turnovers
Stafford: 41 turnovers
Goff: 46% success rate
Stafford: 46% success rate
Goff: 78 pass TDs
Stafford: 75 pass TDs
Goff: 89 sacks taken
Stafford: 88 sacks taken
Goff: 35.2% 1st downs per att
Stafford: 35.2% 1st downs per att
Now do Goff’s numbers under McVey vs Stafford’s under McVey
LA all “it’s worth it cause we won the SB” with zero reflection that they probably win it with Goff anyway and don’t immediately become a pile of rancid dogshit following
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On the other hand, fuck gambling in general
On the third hand fuck the NFL for the hypocrisy of getting into bed with gambling and expecting players not to participate
I still remember the most bullshit warning/infraction I ever ate, when Tube took offense to me telling some rando that nobody wanted to hear about his gambling addiction in the NFL thread and that he should seek help for it.
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But at least with fantasy there was a fig leaf of “it’s just a way to have some fun with your buddies”
I doubt anyone was losing the family home because of fantasy football
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
So I thought I’d just put a bit effort in so it wouldn’t just be a stroll for him. Came 2nd out of 6.
Next year the league increased to 8 (which I won) and then last year it went to 14 (came 2nd).
Last year I went to the London game (Ravens vs Titans which was a great experience; we chatted to some people who’d flown over from Baltimore) and then a bunch of us met up to watch the superbowl in a pub.
So fantasy got me into enjoying the sport; it’s gotten other people interested and also it’s got a bunch of people to be friends.
But gambling can fuck off; it’s similar to all the clubs and sponsors here in how closely linked it is. Then you get a footballer who makes bets and he gets banned. Despite wearing a shirt with a betting company on. Against a guy wearing another betting company. Maybe that club has a “partnership” that has a gambling company on its app. All the billboards are covered in ads. Fucks sake one of the leagues is named after a betting company. Also, all those ads when there’s a break? Betting companies.
They’re a stain and not regulated enough considering the damage they cause.
Luckily I’m completely not affected by it, but you are bombarded the entire time. They say they won’t advertise on TV before certain times but that excludes YouTube which will happily show you an ad first thing in the morning until the end.
Anyway I like Fantasy; it’s got me looking forward to what’s scheduled for London.
The least unsurprising thing is that the Giants appear to have drafted a receiver who appears already able to carry on the legacy of being an idiot off the field.
Yes, but there’s a difference between betting on yourself to win an individual award (like this), and betting on yourself or your team to suck.
The incentives line up. Unless I guess you’re worried about one of them undermining their team to get more highlights?
Now if I were one of those Rookies I would say that the statement was made in jest and we didn’t actually make a bet.
Coach calls a run. QB audibles to pass because he's gotta put up some numbers for his bet. He's making decisions based on the scoreboard for another game.
By the way, that gambling ad revenue is factored into the salary cap. The players are the house, they are the roulette ball, they are the dealer, they cannot also be the customer.
My issue lies mainly with it's constancy in the public sphere. Make it regulated, make it available, make it otherwise hidden. You want to know the odds? You need to go looking, not have it shoved in your face.
8yo's shouldn't be poring over the newspaper checking the betting odds. People who want to avoid it because they know it is a problem shouldn't have it shoved in their face or have to stop watching. And it's just fucking everywhere if you do have an interest in NFL.
I'm not fond of Mina Kimes advertising it, but I do find it funny that her disclaimers after the ad, often sped up 1.5+ speed, are often longer than the ads themselves, to the point when I listen to them, by the time she's finished, I know she just did a promo for a betting company, but I literally couldn't remember which one.
Like, going to a proper sports book/bar and throwing a few bucks on a couple games is pretty fun (imo) as a recreational activity, but the person doing that is clearly not the target of all these adds for online third quarter prop bets
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I think advertising for any gambling should be outlawed though.
Basically, he wore a shirt on his own prerogative that is basically bootleg merchandise. And now it has spurned more dumbshit rumours that the team will switch back and lots of links have popped up offering to sell bootleg merch.
Sadly right. I was thinking it'd be possible to curtail the worst excesses by cutting down on the excessive advertising/marketing, and was going to post as such.
But then I remembered just how regulatory captured Congress is, and these companies will drop massive amounts to keep the current status quo, if not expand it further.
That is fucking insane.
I was gonna say the same thing. But $42M a year is no longer ridiculous. Cousins is on about that. Herbert is on about that. Most decent QB's are in the $40M range. Several worse are up there. Jones, Baker and Carr are on mid $30's.
It being guaranteed* is the only real issue. And even then, the market for "starting calibre or better QB" is just gonna continue to accelerate. And given the Lions probably don't think they'll be picking in the top 10 any time soon, locking up Goff doesn't seem like a terrible decision.
* and I'd not be surprised if "guaranteed" isn't some bullshit. NFL are masters of just redefining words. Could just mean it's what he gets if he's on the team, ie, it's not incentive based.
As long as their receivers don't get hurt, I don't hate the move.
He's the 2nd highest annual average salary behind Joe Burrow. That $170 million is how much is guaranteed, not the total. That would be $212 million. He's well past being paid for decent.
I mean I guess at 4 years the question is whether this contract completely closes your window.
If it doesn't, when can you walk away from it without too big of a hit?
And also, if it all falls apart somehow in year one then by the time you've managed to strip it all down and rebuild he's off of your roster/payroll anyway
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Goff might be the right guy in the right place at the right time (jury’s still out on that, for me at least) but even then, I can’t fathom him getting that money.
Brad Holmes is just going all in on “I was the only guy on the Rams that saw Goff’s true potential.”
*Without arguably their two best non-Mahomes players, but still.
But in wind/cold, he might be completely unplayable
But also Detroit kinda fell in love with the guy. Randomly chanting Jared Goff at basically any public event for the last four months.
Again, once the contract comes out, we'll get a better idea. Did they back load the contract? How much is in the signing bonus?
LA all “it’s worth it cause we won the SB” with zero reflection that they probably win it with Goff anyway and don’t immediately become a pile of rancid dogshit following
Harrison Butker is apparently an awful human being.
We have Sewell, St. Brown, and now Goff re-signed so that's pretty much the stars.
Our defense is young and cheap right now so you take the shot.
This is kind of what team-building in the NFL looks like if you don't have Mahomes or an all-star QB on a rookie deal
Shit, fucking, goddamn it!
Why must my hometown team cultivate a culture that's a 40% or better conglomeratation of chuds by volume?!
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I wonder why.
Yeah, that's probably a good part of it.
To be fair, most fan bases tend towards being dickheads, but KC fans are a special breed.