Turns out enough eye relief to allow for glasses means compromises elsewhere, and optics that will adapt to both near and farsightness are hard, and forget about astigmatism
Oh I have no doubt it's hard and that's why they're not doing it.
But i don't think you can just ignore that hurdle, there needs to be some solution other than buying custom lenses for your already expense device.
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
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My biggest issue with A/VR is nobody is taking glasses wearers seriously.
"Just order these prescription inserts" how about you just fuck off.
Basically until a system can either accommodate being worn over glasses or can include enough manual focus adjust for me to not need my glasses* it's a no sale.
*I think this only applies to VR systems since there's a screen at a fixed distance vs
I'm not sure this is a possible ask optically speaking. If it was, you wouldn't have that huge phoropter on the boom arm at the eye doctor's office
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Turns out enough eye relief to allow for glasses means compromises elsewhere, and optics that will adapt to both near and farsightness are hard, and forget about astigmatism
Oh I have no doubt it's hard and that's why they're not doing it.
But i don't think you can just ignore that hurdle, there needs to be some solution other than buying custom lenses for your already expense device.
What about a lasik at home.kit for
uhhh
$5......0?
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Turns out enough eye relief to allow for glasses means compromises elsewhere, and optics that will adapt to both near and farsightness are hard, and forget about astigmatism
And The Vision Pro made it about as simple as it possibly could; the inserts come in a box with a QR code, magnetically attach and remove quickly, and the QR code tells the vision pro what your prescription is so it accommodates the inserts.
Take them out and it walks back to normal vision. So sharing the headset with someone isn't an absolute nightmare at least.
And at 100-150 bucks for the inserts, it is a rounding error in the overall price of this beast.
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We have a device that is tunable universal eyeglasses and it weight 50 pounds and costs $3000
Thousands of hot, local singles are waiting to play at bubbulon.com.
My biggest issue with A/VR is nobody is taking glasses wearers seriously.
"Just order these prescription inserts" how about you just fuck off.
Basically until a system can either accommodate being worn over glasses or can include enough manual focus adjust for me to not need my glasses* it's a no sale.
*I think this only applies to VR systems since there's a screen at a fixed distance vs
I'm not sure this is a possible ask optically speaking. If it was, you wouldn't have that huge phoropter on the boom arm at the eye doctor's office
to be fair those don't need to be miniaturized at all since it would just make them worse but
yeah I'm not so sure it's just a secondary issue to fix whenever
if they do it, much better tech than the actual vr glasses shit
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Turns out enough eye relief to allow for glasses means compromises elsewhere, and optics that will adapt to both near and farsightness are hard, and forget about astigmatism
Oh I have no doubt it's hard and that's why they're not doing it.
But i don't think you can just ignore that hurdle, there needs to be some solution other than buying custom lenses for your already expense device.
i don't think we're close enough to the extremely hard problems for it to be fair to say they're being ignored
the shit barely works in normal mode
Allegedly a voice of reason.
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Turns out enough eye relief to allow for glasses means compromises elsewhere, and optics that will adapt to both near and farsightness are hard, and forget about astigmatism
And The Vision Pro made it about as simple as it possibly could; the inserts come in a box with a QR code, magnetically attach and remove quickly, and the QR code tells the vision pro what your prescription is so it accommodates the inserts.
Take them out and it walks back to normal vision. So sharing the headset with someone isn't an absolute nightmare at least.
And at 100-150 bucks for the inserts, it is a rounding error in the overall price of this beast.
Apple is so good at this one trick.
Make the rest of the thing $texas so they can charge $smallertexas for things that cost pennies to make.
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Turns out enough eye relief to allow for glasses means compromises elsewhere, and optics that will adapt to both near and farsightness are hard, and forget about astigmatism
And The Vision Pro made it about as simple as it possibly could; the inserts come in a box with a QR code, magnetically attach and remove quickly, and the QR code tells the vision pro what your prescription is so it accommodates the inserts.
Take them out and it walks back to normal vision. So sharing the headset with someone isn't an absolute nightmare at least.
And at 100-150 bucks for the inserts, it is a rounding error in the overall price of this beast.
Apple is so good at this one trick.
Make the rest of the thing $texas so they can charge $smallertexas for things that cost pennies.
In this one case I don't think they have loaded a ton of margin on it.
There are two incredibly tiny, pixel-dense 4K micro-LED displays running off of effectively a macbook air with so many high resolution sensors...
I don't think they are ripping people off; I think the tech isn't really capable of being produced at a price right now that will achieve any kind of serious market penetration.
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Turns out enough eye relief to allow for glasses means compromises elsewhere, and optics that will adapt to both near and farsightness are hard, and forget about astigmatism
And The Vision Pro made it about as simple as it possibly could; the inserts come in a box with a QR code, magnetically attach and remove quickly, and the QR code tells the vision pro what your prescription is so it accommodates the inserts.
Take them out and it walks back to normal vision. So sharing the headset with someone isn't an absolute nightmare at least.
And at 100-150 bucks for the inserts, it is a rounding error in the overall price of this beast.
Apple is so good at this one trick.
Make the rest of the thing $texas so they can charge $smallertexas for things that cost pennies to make.
My biggest issue with A/VR is nobody is taking glasses wearers seriously.
"Just order these prescription inserts" how about you just fuck off.
Basically until a system can either accommodate being worn over glasses or can include enough manual focus adjust for me to not need my glasses* it's a no sale.
*I think this only applies to VR systems since there's a screen at a fixed distance vs
Eh. I got prescription inserts, and they were a game changer. They were really easy to install (pops right in), and only $40.
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Correctly ground eyeglass lenses don't cost pennies and there are laws around their manufacture to prevent harm.
I've also deeply regretted any time I've spent less than $70 on them. You get horrible, headache inducing optics.
Thousands of hot, local singles are waiting to play at bubbulon.com.
Turns out enough eye relief to allow for glasses means compromises elsewhere, and optics that will adapt to both near and farsightness are hard, and forget about astigmatism
And The Vision Pro made it about as simple as it possibly could; the inserts come in a box with a QR code, magnetically attach and remove quickly, and the QR code tells the vision pro what your prescription is so it accommodates the inserts.
Take them out and it walks back to normal vision. So sharing the headset with someone isn't an absolute nightmare at least.
And at 100-150 bucks for the inserts, it is a rounding error in the overall price of this beast.
Apple is so good at this one trick.
Make the rest of the thing $texas so they can charge $smallertexas for things that cost pennies.
In this one case I don't think they have loaded a ton of margin on it.
There are two incredibly tiny, pixel-dense 4K micro-LED displays running off of effectively a macbook air with so many high resolution sensors...
I don't think they are ripping people off; I think the tech isn't really capable of being produced at a price right now that will achieve any kind of serious market penetration.
Yeah, I’m looking forward to the teardown. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re breaking even or something.
i tend to stick with what i know, unless it's some random atmospheric 'relaxation watch teh fishes swim in the tank' type stuff.
but this.
this is good. i could work to this.
what 'genre' would this be called? so i can try and find more?
I tend to call it "rhythmic noise", but that can also be a pretty broad spectrum, and generally tends to be more aggressive. But Rhys Fulber strikes a really good balance.
iVardensphere that was just mentioned has some stuff along those lines, but they also do a really wide range. This is kinda "tribal", or something.
i think for the most part it absolutely could be solved by having wear-over-your-glasses versions, that are presumedly larger than the regular ones you see in the ad copy
look I'm a white cisman and the only disability i have is this so when someone me they need an extra $150 to accommodate me it's Serious Business
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
Turns out enough eye relief to allow for glasses means compromises elsewhere, and optics that will adapt to both near and farsightness are hard, and forget about astigmatism
And The Vision Pro made it about as simple as it possibly could; the inserts come in a box with a QR code, magnetically attach and remove quickly, and the QR code tells the vision pro what your prescription is so it accommodates the inserts.
Take them out and it walks back to normal vision. So sharing the headset with someone isn't an absolute nightmare at least.
And at 100-150 bucks for the inserts, it is a rounding error in the overall price of this beast.
Apple is so good at this one trick.
Make the rest of the thing $texas so they can charge $smallertexas for things that cost pennies.
In this one case I don't think they have loaded a ton of margin on it.
There are two incredibly tiny, pixel-dense 4K micro-LED displays running off of effectively a macbook air with so many high resolution sensors...
I don't think they are ripping people off; I think the tech isn't really capable of being produced at a price right now that will achieve any kind of serious market penetration.
Yeah, I’m looking forward to the teardown. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re breaking even or something.
High profit? Skeptical.
I am guessing there is ~1000 dollars of "profit" on each headset sold - headsets they have been spending an ungodly amount of time (years and years) researching, developing, prototyping, testing...
There is zero chance they make a dime off of this initiative for a few generations.
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fwiw John Carmack complained about his experience with wearing glasses in VR headsets for years as Oculus CTO or whatever and never got anywhere so like
Eh
Id like to see a standard for inserts, or at the very fucking least, the ones for this device made compatible with the next Apple headset (if they do another). But thats about it.
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Bad music
The weather is starting to get nicer and it is definitely pulling me out of my funk.
I just opened the windows today when it was 50 and had a nice cross breeze. The house smells good, and I have chili cheese tots for dinner.
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are YOU on the beer list?
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JRX I read that whole thing and I think the only thing I didn't nod in agreement with was Slipknot as nu-metal
I feel like Nu-Metal was rapping, right? So early Linkin Park and Limp Bizkit?
I get excluding Slipknot from metal Canon but I don't know what to call them
Some days Blue wonders why anyone ever bothered making numbers so small; other days she supposes even infinity needs to start somewhere.
I have never sat on my glasses, though that might be because my vision is so bad that I always have them on my face
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I listened to one of the first waypoint radios today which is approaching 8 years old. They were talking about vr then too.
I don’t think vr is where it’s at. The people who care already have some type of it. Vision aids for surgery and rocket scientists can cost however much they want. A laptop screen is good enough for billions of people. Ain’t nobody going to sit in vr for general office work. Ain’t -barely- anyone even going to sit in vr for games.
I listened to one of the first waypoint radios today which is approaching 8 years old. They were talking about vr then too.
I don’t think vr is where it’s at. The people who care already have some type of it. Vision aids for surgery and rocket scientists can cost however much they want. A laptop screen is good enough for billions of people. Ain’t nobody going to sit in vr for general office work. Ain’t -barely- anyone even going to sit in vr for games.
Yeah but the porn honk, the porn
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I am guessing there is ~1000 dollars of "profit" on each headset sold - headsets they have been spending an ungodly amount of time (years and years) researching, developing, prototyping, testing...
There is zero chance they make a dime off of this initiative for a few generations.
I wouldn't be surprised if even that isn't true
I agree with the rest of the sentiment. Based on the whispers that have been coming out for years I bet they've sunk a few billion into the venture. Maybe more.
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the latest Palworld patch was a good one
i've been playing for over an hour and not once has one of my idiot base pals pathed itself into a spot it couldn't get out of
I listened to one of the first waypoint radios today which is approaching 8 years old. They were talking about vr then too.
I don’t think vr is where it’s at. The people who care already have some type of it. Vision aids for surgery and rocket scientists can cost however much they want. A laptop screen is good enough for billions of people. Ain’t nobody going to sit in vr for general office work. Ain’t -barely- anyone even going to sit in vr for games.
Yeah but the porn honk, the porn
porn is meant to be shared with everyone else on the train
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Correctly ground eyeglass lenses don't cost pennies and there are laws around their manufacture to prevent harm.
I've also deeply regretted any time I've spent less than $70 on them. You get horrible, headache inducing optics.
I dunno man.
For $3500, getting nickel-and-dimed to death feels pretty shitty, especially when this one accessory opens your product up to an additional *checks notes* 4 billion people.
But Apples gotta Apple and getting a complete product for one price just isn't shit they do.
I listened to one of the first waypoint radios today which is approaching 8 years old. They were talking about vr then too.
I don’t think vr is where it’s at. The people who care already have some type of it. Vision aids for surgery and rocket scientists can cost however much they want. A laptop screen is good enough for billions of people. Ain’t nobody going to sit in vr for general office work. Ain’t -barely- anyone even going to sit in vr for games.
I stand by the belief that AR is the real killer app, not VR... and Apple did everything in their power to fake this VR headset into being an AR one and "mostly" succeeded, though passthrough video on opaque screens will never be quite the same as transparent glass and transparent displays.
Put headset on, open laptop, create a multi-display setup of your laptop and various Vision apps wherever you happen to be (coffee shop, airplane, etc). - the bulk of this thing and the form factor are fighting against it, but the promise is there.
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On a more upbeat tone, found this(not sure if it was here or just algorithm'd to me), but I've enjoyed it the last couple days.
i'm not a person to give new to me music a try.
i tend to stick with what i know, unless it's some random atmospheric 'relaxation watch teh fishes swim in the tank' type stuff.
but this.
this is good. i could work to this.
what 'genre' would this be called? so i can try and find more?
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Oh I have no doubt it's hard and that's why they're not doing it.
But i don't think you can just ignore that hurdle, there needs to be some solution other than buying custom lenses for your already expense device.
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
I'm not sure this is a possible ask optically speaking. If it was, you wouldn't have that huge phoropter on the boom arm at the eye doctor's office
What about a lasik at home.kit for
uhhh
$5......0?
And The Vision Pro made it about as simple as it possibly could; the inserts come in a box with a QR code, magnetically attach and remove quickly, and the QR code tells the vision pro what your prescription is so it accommodates the inserts.
Take them out and it walks back to normal vision. So sharing the headset with someone isn't an absolute nightmare at least.
And at 100-150 bucks for the inserts, it is a rounding error in the overall price of this beast.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
(I only mention him only because Echo mentioned rhythmic noise and that’s exactly my impression of him.)
to be fair those don't need to be miniaturized at all since it would just make them worse but
yeah I'm not so sure it's just a secondary issue to fix whenever
if they do it, much better tech than the actual vr glasses shit
i don't think we're close enough to the extremely hard problems for it to be fair to say they're being ignored
the shit barely works in normal mode
Apple is so good at this one trick.
Make the rest of the thing $texas so they can charge $smallertexas for things that cost pennies to make.
In this one case I don't think they have loaded a ton of margin on it.
There are two incredibly tiny, pixel-dense 4K micro-LED displays running off of effectively a macbook air with so many high resolution sensors...
I don't think they are ripping people off; I think the tech isn't really capable of being produced at a price right now that will achieve any kind of serious market penetration.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
That one is on Luxotica
I've also deeply regretted any time I've spent less than $70 on them. You get horrible, headache inducing optics.
I thought there was some kind of phrase or acronym for this, but I can't remember the term.
yes
Yeah, I’m looking forward to the teardown. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re breaking even or something.
High profit? Skeptical.
I tend to call it "rhythmic noise", but that can also be a pretty broad spectrum, and generally tends to be more aggressive. But Rhys Fulber strikes a really good balance.
iVardensphere that was just mentioned has some stuff along those lines, but they also do a really wide range. This is kinda "tribal", or something.
Rhys Fulber apparently had some tracks in Cyberpunk?
I am slowly inching my way off of the spectrum of the glasses rack at the airport level of prescription
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
look I'm a white cisman and the only disability i have is this so when someone me they need an extra $150 to accommodate me it's Serious Business
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
I'm still upset at Shane Carruth
fucking had to go ruin two of my favorite movies by being shane carruth
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
meanwhile, the glasses I'm wearing right now? £10 at heathrow ten years ago. They're immortal. Immortal plastic piece of shit.
I am guessing there is ~1000 dollars of "profit" on each headset sold - headsets they have been spending an ungodly amount of time (years and years) researching, developing, prototyping, testing...
There is zero chance they make a dime off of this initiative for a few generations.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
Eh
Id like to see a standard for inserts, or at the very fucking least, the ones for this device made compatible with the next Apple headset (if they do another). But thats about it.
I just opened the windows today when it was 50 and had a nice cross breeze. The house smells good, and I have chili cheese tots for dinner.
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I feel like Nu-Metal was rapping, right? So early Linkin Park and Limp Bizkit?
I get excluding Slipknot from metal Canon but I don't know what to call them
I don’t think vr is where it’s at. The people who care already have some type of it. Vision aids for surgery and rocket scientists can cost however much they want. A laptop screen is good enough for billions of people. Ain’t nobody going to sit in vr for general office work. Ain’t -barely- anyone even going to sit in vr for games.
I wake up after naps going the fuck am I lying on oh my glasses
Yeah but the porn honk, the porn
I wouldn't be surprised if even that isn't true
I agree with the rest of the sentiment. Based on the whispers that have been coming out for years I bet they've sunk a few billion into the venture. Maybe more.
i've been playing for over an hour and not once has one of my idiot base pals pathed itself into a spot it couldn't get out of
porn is meant to be shared with everyone else on the train
I dunno man.
For $3500, getting nickel-and-dimed to death feels pretty shitty, especially when this one accessory opens your product up to an additional *checks notes* 4 billion people.
But Apples gotta Apple and getting a complete product for one price just isn't shit they do.
oh man, for real?
I put pals into a medical coma to recover like every single time I visited, somebody always got fucked up
I stand by the belief that AR is the real killer app, not VR... and Apple did everything in their power to fake this VR headset into being an AR one and "mostly" succeeded, though passthrough video on opaque screens will never be quite the same as transparent glass and transparent displays.
Put headset on, open laptop, create a multi-display setup of your laptop and various Vision apps wherever you happen to be (coffee shop, airplane, etc). - the bulk of this thing and the form factor are fighting against it, but the promise is there.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
Numetal wasn't just rapping. It was also industrial, techo, and poppy metal. Spineshank, Hoobastank, Incubus, and Trust Company were all Numetal.
Slipknot definitely had rap influences, plus a ton of techno/jungle stuff in their beats.