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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    DJ Eebs wrote: »
    If you're referring to the infraction DarkPrimus received recently, I feel like that one had a pretty clear reason.

    All that told me is that mods are allowed to lash out at people for saying things they don't like. Without explanation or accountability.

    Your entire subforum is about lashing out at people you don't like.

    This is so blatantly false as to be laughable. What in the good lord fuck are you on about. SE is a diverse and vibrant community full of people who gladly and happily embrace each other and their weird quirks to an almost shockingly empathic degree. That they occasionally tell people to fuck off for being out-loud jackasses is not the same as lashing out. Holy false equivalence Batman!

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    SCREECH OF THE FARGSCREECH OF THE FARG #1 PARROTHEAD margaritavilleRegistered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    DJ Eebs wrote: »
    If you're referring to the infraction DarkPrimus received recently, I feel like that one had a pretty clear reason.

    All that told me is that mods are allowed to lash out at people for saying things they don't like. Without explanation or accountability.

    Your entire subforum is about lashing out at people you don't like.

    Did you warn that person for posting about how you bragged about the affair you were having on the forums or did someone else do that on your behalf

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    JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    Lanz wrote: »
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    I'm just also going to add "we're not removing mods" while Kosh continues to act the goose is... depressing. You want tone issues and people going off at each other at the slightest thing, Kosh is a big part of why DnD has hit that state, because of how they handle things - including infracting people in reports.. for using the report function as it's intended. Or infracting people, in the subforum he's not a mod of, for bringing up stuff he posted publicly. Which is goosey as shit.

    We still have posters running around on DnD who play politeness politics while being absolutely vile in what they're pushing, but because they're very careful whcih lines they go up to and how many points they accumulate, they've not been banned. The treehousing has absolutely been reinforced by the moderation in DnD.

    Your obsession with me is genuinely unsettling and the spectacle of people who flippantly call other people 'fascists' and 'mass murderers' being mad that they're receiving a tiny fraction of that heat is beyond risible.

    You are literally a mod of this forum

    Yeah man, people are gonna look at you different because you visibly carry power and authority in the community.

    Lanz, you keep a weird creepy serial killer wall of ten-year-old posts from people on your enemies list; I don't feel hugely inclined to take this tone of yours seriously.

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
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    Listen

    I know I’ve got a hair trigger these days on my “pissed off” switch

    But Rats is one of the most goddamn patient, understanding and conciliatory posters I know of on this board.

    What the ever loving lashing out fuck?

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    Keep posting through it Jacob

    It's delightfully funny

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    I'm just also going to add "we're not removing mods" while Kosh continues to act the goose is... depressing. You want tone issues and people going off at each other at the slightest thing, Kosh is a big part of why DnD has hit that state, because of how they handle things - including infracting people in reports.. for using the report function as it's intended. Or infracting people, in the subforum he's not a mod of, for bringing up stuff he posted publicly. Which is goosey as shit.

    We still have posters running around on DnD who play politeness politics while being absolutely vile in what they're pushing, but because they're very careful whcih lines they go up to and how many points they accumulate, they've not been banned. The treehousing has absolutely been reinforced by the moderation in DnD.

    Your obsession with me is genuinely unsettling and the spectacle of people who flippantly call other people 'fascists' and 'mass murderers' being mad that they're receiving a tiny fraction of that heat is beyond risible.

    You are literally a mod of this forum

    Yeah man, people are gonna look at you different because you visibly carry power and authority in the community.

    Lanz, you keep a weird creepy serial killer wall of ten-year-old posts from people on your enemies list; I don't feel hugely inclined to take this tone of yours seriously.

    Bro you and the other mods have frequently taken other posters history and words into account when disciplining them. If you don't see how that doesn't count as your own form of History Of Poster X on your own Pepe Silvia wall, I don't know what to tell you.

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    SCREECH OF THE FARGSCREECH OF THE FARG #1 PARROTHEAD margaritavilleRegistered User regular
    edited May 4
    SCREECH OF THE FARG was warned for this.
    for reference, jacobkosh willingly posted these (and other) posts on these forums

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    to be clear: jacobkosh bragged about the affair he was having and the size of his affair partners tits. earlier today, a poster was warned for referring to these public posts that jacobkosh chose to post. did i mention he chose to post them on these forums and someone got in trouble for referring to the posts he made (willingly)

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited May 4
    Either Lanz keeps a list of everyone who has ever wronged them on a forum or they don't belong in DnD, it can't be both.

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    KamarKamar Registered User regular
    Regardless of any of the rest of it, I'd 100% expect to get infracted if I started trash talking another poster in a subforum they don't frequent, regardless of who it was.

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited May 4
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    I'm just also going to add "we're not removing mods" while Kosh continues to act the goose is... depressing. You want tone issues and people going off at each other at the slightest thing, Kosh is a big part of why DnD has hit that state, because of how they handle things - including infracting people in reports.. for using the report function as it's intended. Or infracting people, in the subforum he's not a mod of, for bringing up stuff he posted publicly. Which is goosey as shit.

    We still have posters running around on DnD who play politeness politics while being absolutely vile in what they're pushing, but because they're very careful whcih lines they go up to and how many points they accumulate, they've not been banned. The treehousing has absolutely been reinforced by the moderation in DnD.

    Your obsession with me is genuinely unsettling and the spectacle of people who flippantly call other people 'fascists' and 'mass murderers' being mad that they're receiving a tiny fraction of that heat is beyond risible.

    You are literally a mod of this forum

    Yeah man, people are gonna look at you different because you visibly carry power and authority in the community.

    Lanz, you keep a weird creepy serial killer wall of ten-year-old posts from people on your enemies list; I don't feel hugely inclined to take this tone of yours seriously.

    If by “weird creepy serial killer wall of ten year old posts from people on your enemies list” you mean “I don’t delete my infraction PMs from the last few years”… sure, I guess?

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    lazegamerlazegamer The magnanimous cyberspaceRegistered User regular
    Flame wars used to be a lot more fun. Where the fuck did I put my prescription rose tinted glasses.

    I would download a car.
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    TuminTumin Registered User regular
    As I recall there's a rule "don't be a dick" but I mean, with the absentee mods, who knows if it holds any weight anymore. Certainly seems to not be in place.

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    SCREECH OF THE FARGSCREECH OF THE FARG #1 PARROTHEAD margaritavilleRegistered User regular
    also in just like a "community management" sense, an admin of a forum made a big effort post here about working on the state of the forums and improving them. several posts later, a controversial mod stated that an entire subforum that he dislikes is about "lashing out at others". if you can't see the problem with this you should turn your monitor on. be on the watch for people getting warned or banned for posting about this

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    "don't be a dick" has been a meaningless rule on this forum for a long, long time

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    TuminTumin Registered User regular
    Oghulk wrote: »
    "don't be a dick" has been a meaningless rule on this forum for a long, long time

    I've only read 10 holiday forums, it's hardly a big enough sample

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    You can easily be a dick and stay well within the rules. Plenty of people have that shit honed down to a fine art.

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    SCREECH OF THE FARGSCREECH OF THE FARG #1 PARROTHEAD margaritavilleRegistered User regular
    like guys literally a mod showed up in a forum announcement thread to shit talk entire subforums and call specific users "creepy serial killers". this person should not be a mod. jacobkosh is a bad moderator. jacobkosh will continue to be bad for the forums. jacobkosh should not have mod buttons. this is not a person with a temper suited to modding.

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    SCREECH OF THE FARGSCREECH OF THE FARG #1 PARROTHEAD margaritavilleRegistered User regular
    also realistically he was getting catfished

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    TuminTumin Registered User regular
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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    Also I guess we're just not gonna clarify anything about former forum user Henroid being a stalker, eh?

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    The WolfmanThe Wolfman Registered User regular
    Tube may have had some... tonal issues, but he also made it perfectly clear; These are free boards, run by a group of unpaid volunteers. This place doesn't owe you a thing. The staff here has done above and beyond with what they have and what they're given. There's nothing much to do other than what you've just said: More moderators, some more transparency if possible, and more trust. And that's all you can do.

    I read every page of the SE thread. Personally I think there's something systemic about that forum's culture, given this isn't even the first or second time the whole place has exploded like that. And quite a few "issue" I saw pop up amounted to people expecting the mod staff to bow and kneel when they snap their fingers. Which... see above. I suspect this whole thread is going to blow up as those people just got told they're not getting the absolute power and control they want. At any rate I'm glad the staff here has so far resisted letting the inmates run the asylum.

    You're doing the best you can in these ridiculous times. That's all anybody can ask.

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    The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    I'm just also going to add "we're not removing mods" while Kosh continues to act the goose is... depressing. You want tone issues and people going off at each other at the slightest thing, Kosh is a big part of why DnD has hit that state, because of how they handle things - including infracting people in reports.. for using the report function as it's intended. Or infracting people, in the subforum he's not a mod of, for bringing up stuff he posted publicly. Which is goosey as shit.

    We still have posters running around on DnD who play politeness politics while being absolutely vile in what they're pushing, but because they're very careful whcih lines they go up to and how many points they accumulate, they've not been banned. The treehousing has absolutely been reinforced by the moderation in DnD.

    Your obsession with me is genuinely unsettling and the spectacle of people who flippantly call other people 'fascists' and 'mass murderers' being mad that they're receiving a tiny fraction of that heat is beyond risible.

    Amazing that calling out your shitty behaviour is obsession dude. Just amazing.

    I think that says way more about how you view things, honestly!

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    SCREECH OF THE FARGSCREECH OF THE FARG #1 PARROTHEAD margaritavilleRegistered User regular
    also if you wanna find the culprits for weird factional subforum sniping, take a look at the people voting jacobkosh's posts in this thread (the bad moderator who posted about his affair partners epic boobies) as awesome

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
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    ZekZek Registered User regular
    I don't have a dog in this fight, but this is getting super ugly and I think both sides are riling each other up in a really unproductive way. I don't think this kind of escalation is going to lead to an outcome anybody is happy with.

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    ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    DJ Eebs wrote: »
    Lastly: we’ve got some pretty stark divisions between people here. There’s not a way to moderate that out of existence

    That said: it is not tone policing to require people who post here to not blow up at the slightest hint that someone is not 100% on your side. If we want these forums to continue to exist as any sort of community, I am begging everyone here to give each other the bare minimum of the benefit of the doubt. Stop assuming the absolute dirt worst out of each other at the slightest provocation.
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    DJ Eebs wrote: »
    If you're referring to the infraction DarkPrimus received recently, I feel like that one had a pretty clear reason.

    All that told me is that mods are allowed to lash out at people for saying things they don't like. Without explanation or accountability.

    Your entire subforum is about lashing out at people you don't like.

    So how's that working out for ya?

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    Death of RatsDeath of Rats Registered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    DJ Eebs wrote: »
    If you're referring to the infraction DarkPrimus received recently, I feel like that one had a pretty clear reason.

    All that told me is that mods are allowed to lash out at people for saying things they don't like. Without explanation or accountability.

    Your entire subforum is about lashing out at people you don't like.

    I post far more in D&D than anywhere else. Seriously, this is the god damned problem.

    No, seriously, this is the problem with Kosh remaining a mod. He is actively hostile to people he doesn't see as belonging to his subforum. If we're not wanting things to remain hostile in this community, then a moderator who is perfectly comfortable lashing out against those asking for some form of accountability in a thread dedicated to doing so, addressed to the administrator of the forums, shows that no, this is all lip service.

    No I don't.
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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited May 4
    Tube may have had some... tonal issues, but he also made it perfectly clear; These are free boards, run by a group of unpaid volunteers. This place doesn't owe you a thing. The staff here has done above and beyond with what they have and what they're given. There's nothing much to do other than what you've just said: More moderators, some more transparency if possible, and more trust. And that's all you can do.

    I read every page of the SE thread. Personally I think there's something systemic about that forum's culture, given this isn't even the first or second time the whole place has exploded like that. And quite a few "issue" I saw pop up amounted to people expecting the mod staff to bow and kneel when they snap their fingers. Which... see above. I suspect this whole thread is going to blow up as those people just got told they're not getting the absolute power and control they want. At any rate I'm glad the staff here has so far resisted letting the inmates run the asylum.

    You're doing the best you can in these ridiculous times. That's all anybody can ask.

    We’re not asking for “absolute power and control,” just for more mods like Chu and Sterica who actually treat people like people and not gutter scum beneath even contempt and can help steward the community in a healthier direction, and for the mods who can’t handle that to retire and have their mod privileges removed so as to prevent any formation of good ol boy relations and risk of abuse of mod privileges.

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    TefTef Registered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    I'm just also going to add "we're not removing mods" while Kosh continues to act the goose is... depressing. You want tone issues and people going off at each other at the slightest thing, Kosh is a big part of why DnD has hit that state, because of how they handle things - including infracting people in reports.. for using the report function as it's intended. Or infracting people, in the subforum he's not a mod of, for bringing up stuff he posted publicly. Which is goosey as shit.

    We still have posters running around on DnD who play politeness politics while being absolutely vile in what they're pushing, but because they're very careful whcih lines they go up to and how many points they accumulate, they've not been banned. The treehousing has absolutely been reinforced by the moderation in DnD.

    Your obsession with me is genuinely unsettling and the spectacle of people who flippantly call other people 'fascists' and 'mass murderers' being mad that they're receiving a tiny fraction of that heat is beyond risible.

    You are literally a mod of this forum

    Yeah man, people are gonna look at you different because you visibly carry power and authority in the community.

    Lanz, you keep a weird creepy serial killer wall of ten-year-old posts from people on your enemies list; I don't feel hugely inclined to take this tone of yours seriously.

    If by “weird creepy serial killer wall of ten year old posts from people on your enemies list” you mean “I don’t delete my infraction PMs from the last few years”… sure, I guess?

    Keeping receipts/remembering interactions is the ONLY way to keep people who engage in gaslighting cycles of abuse accountable, Kosh! This is management 101, Kosh! How are you so bad at this?

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    Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    lazegamer wrote: »
    Flame wars used to be a lot more fun. Where the fuck did I put my prescription rose tinted glasses.

    Ay speak for yourself, this is the second most entertained I've been all week!

    (I subscribed to Dropout on Tuesday)

    Oh brilliant
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    lutefisklutefisk Registered User regular
    Tube may have had some... tonal issues, but he also made it perfectly clear; These are free boards, run by a group of unpaid volunteers. This place doesn't owe you a thing. The staff here has done above and beyond with what they have and what they're given. There's nothing much to do other than what you've just said: More moderators, some more transparency if possible, and more trust. And that's all you can do.

    I read every page of the SE thread. Personally I think there's something systemic about that forum's culture, given this isn't even the first or second time the whole place has exploded like that. And quite a few "issue" I saw pop up amounted to people expecting the mod staff to bow and kneel when they snap their fingers. Which... see above. I suspect this whole thread is going to blow up as those people just got told they're not getting the absolute power and control they want. At any rate I'm glad the staff here has so far resisted letting the inmates run the asylum.

    You're doing the best you can in these ridiculous times. That's all anybody can ask.

    this is an incredible post

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    SCREECH OF THE FARGSCREECH OF THE FARG #1 PARROTHEAD margaritavilleRegistered User regular
    jacobkosh is doing like a textbook rendition of "person who should not be a moderator". they could take these posts and put 'em in the forums 101 textbook. if you can't understand this, you just might be a....(panicked hushed tone) silly goose

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    cabsycabsy the fattest rainbow unicorn Registered User regular
    Tube may have had some... tonal issues, but he also made it perfectly clear; These are free boards, run by a group of unpaid volunteers. This place doesn't owe you a thing. The staff here has done above and beyond with what they have and what they're given. There's nothing much to do other than what you've just said: More moderators, some more transparency if possible, and more trust. And that's all you can do.

    I read every page of the SE thread. Personally I think there's something systemic about that forum's culture, given this isn't even the first or second time the whole place has exploded like that. And quite a few "issue" I saw pop up amounted to people expecting the mod staff to bow and kneel when they snap their fingers. Which... see above. I suspect this whole thread is going to blow up as those people just got told they're not getting the absolute power and control they want. At any rate I'm glad the staff here has so far resisted letting the inmates run the asylum.

    You're doing the best you can in these ridiculous times. That's all anybody can ask.

    this is such a weird take on the tone of both the thread and SE++ as a whole that it seems like it's from a whole other planet

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    KamarKamar Registered User regular
    Zek wrote: »
    I don't have a dog in this fight, but this is getting super ugly and I think both sides are riling each other up in a really unproductive way. I don't think this kind of escalation is going to lead to an outcome anybody is happy with.

    Escalation is inevitable when some posters would view getting banned as equally satisfying to seeing their foes humbled, because they'd get the same thrill either way.

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    JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    Oghulk wrote: »
    Also I guess we're just not gonna clarify anything about former forum user Henroid being a stalker, eh?

    Let me clear this up.

    Henroid was not a stalker - or at least, if he was, I never heard of it and it had nothing to do with his ban. I don't know how that rumor got started but I'm probably one of the only people still here from his first ban, which happened for entirely garden-variety reasons in like 2013?; he was let back in years later per the appeal rules and then fell afoul or something again.

    Maybe whoever broached this was thinking of someone else, but if there was a stalker issue here it was discussed entirely outside of the usual mod channels.

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    Also, saying that anyone is a member of "another forum" is a fucking weird thing to do here. DnD and SE are not the same spaces, but they're populated by the same people. I've started plenty of threads in both! Just because I narrow my focus in both places doesn't mean I'm some exclusive citizen of another who just plays tourist in the """opposing""" subforum. Extremely unproductive attitude to have.

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    DJ Eebs wrote: »
    If you're referring to the infraction DarkPrimus received recently, I feel like that one had a pretty clear reason.

    All that told me is that mods are allowed to lash out at people for saying things they don't like. Without explanation or accountability.

    Your entire subforum is about lashing out at people you don't like.

    I post far more in D&D than anywhere else. Seriously, this is the god damned problem.

    No, seriously, this is the problem with Kosh remaining a mod. He is actively hostile to people he doesn't see as belonging to his subforum. If we're not wanting things to remain hostile in this community, then a moderator who is perfectly comfortable lashing out against those asking for some form of accountability in a thread dedicated to doing so, addressed to the administrator of the forums, shows that no, this is all lip service.

    Maybe this is part of my “creepy stalker behavior” to remember the things he’s said to me in infractions, but it’s kind of frustrating to be told again and again how I apparently don’t see myself as part of a forum community I’ve spent the majority of my nearly twenty years on this forum posting in.

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    Oghulk wrote: »
    Also I guess we're just not gonna clarify anything about former forum user Henroid being a stalker, eh?

    Let me clear this up.

    Henroid was not a stalker - or at least, if he was, I never heard of it and it had nothing to do with his ban. I don't know how that rumor got started but I'm probably one of the only people still here from his first ban, which happened for entirely garden-variety reasons in like 2013?; he was let back in years later per the appeal rules and then fell afoul or something again.

    Maybe whoever broached this was thinking of someone else, but if there was a stalker issue here it was discussed entirely outside of the usual mod channels.

    Genuinely, thank you for clarifying.

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    SCREECH OF THE FARGSCREECH OF THE FARG #1 PARROTHEAD margaritavilleRegistered User regular
    also to address above posts, i absolutely understand that jacobkosh is a volunteer moderator who does this job for free. no way in hell would anyone pay for his output

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    RiemannLivesRiemannLives Registered User regular
    also in just like a "community management" sense, an admin of a forum made a big effort post here about working on the state of the forums and improving them. several posts later, a controversial mod stated that an entire subforum that he dislikes is about "lashing out at others". if you can't see the problem with this you should turn your monitor on. be on the watch for people getting warned or banned for posting about this

    The fuck?

    4:50 PM: https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/comment/46410338/#Comment_46410338
    Kosh's first post in the thread, responding to the above at 5:01 PM: https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/comment/46410393/#Comment_46410393

    There is a weird ingrown little clique of people (certainly not all of SE++ by any means) who hate Kosh for some reason. And it was one of them who decided to hijack geebs post for that end. Just like they turned the SE++ "introspection" (heh) post into their little wank session hating on the dreaded D&D forum.

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