Lets talk about the 60 gig ps3 $100 price drop and the new $600 80 gig ps3

Furu

Zephyr wrote: »

so uh

this is like the best time to buy a ps3

500$ and 5 free blu-ray movies but

is it worth it, there's games but they're out there and i don't know?

and the 360 3 red lights still haven't been fixed and can't find wiis for under 300$ and oh god oh god i'm scared and confused.

Beyond Resistance, there is absolutely no reason to by a PS3 at this point, unless you like basing spending half a thousand dollars on the promise that there will eventually someday be good games you won't be able to play on other, less pricey consoles not ran by a company that has spent the last two years making the most incompetent boneheaded choices imaginable.

bruin

shryke wrote: »

Blaket wrote: »

You know I'm reminded of the Simpsons episode where Homer becomes the beer Baron and Marge catches him and and he spills the beans and Marge and Lisa have the following conversation.

"Homer, I'm very impressed."

"Mom?"

"Well I am Lisa. I've known your father since highschool and this is the cleverest thing he's ever done"

This is pretty much my opinion. They're being giant tools, but my word aren't the being clever.

I wouldn't really call it clever. It was expected by most people.

I think people were just joking around. That's how I saw it at least.

Zephyr

Furu wrote: »

Zephyr wrote: »

so uh

this is like the best time to buy a ps3

500$ and 5 free blu-ray movies but

is it worth it, there's games but they're out there and i don't know?

and the 360 3 red lights still haven't been fixed and can't find wiis for under 300$ and oh god oh god i'm scared and confused.

Beyond Resistance, there is absolutely no reason to by a PS3 at this point, unless you like basing spending half a thousand dollars on the promise that there will eventually someday be good games you won't be able to play on other, less pricey consoles not ran by a company that has spent the last two years making the most incompetent boneheaded choices imaginable.

oh well.

so any news on MS fixing the 360's hardware?

shryke

Zephyr wrote: »

so uh
and the 360 3 red lights still haven't been fixed

I thought they'd fixed that design problem that caused it. The Elites aren't supposed to get it now, afaik.

seneku

But hey it's got Killzone 2! I mean the first game was so blindingly mediocre this ones gotta be great because it's using a new engine...Quite why they are hyping a sequel to a game that was so average at best after getting burned so badly for hyping up the original so much in the first place is beyond me.

Still nevermind, its all the 3rd party dev's fault!

Zephyr

shryke wrote: »

Zephyr wrote: »

so uh
and the 360 3 red lights still haven't been fixed

I thought they'd fixed that design problem that caused it. The Elites aren't supposed to get it now, afaik.

can i get a link or something?

But hey it's got Killzone 2! I mean the first game was so blindingly mediocre this ones gotta be great because it's using a new engine...Quite why they are hyping a sequel to a game that was so average at best after getting burned so badly for hyping up the original so much in the first place is beyond me.

too be fair you're completely ignoring that KZ: Liberation is pretty good.

Ranced

shryke wrote: »

Zephyr wrote: »

so uh
and the 360 3 red lights still haven't been fixed

I thought they'd fixed that design problem that caused it. The Elites aren't supposed to get it now, afaik.

Nope.

Won't be fixed just yet.

shryke

bruin wrote: »

shryke wrote: »

Blaket wrote: »

You know I'm reminded of the Simpsons episode where Homer becomes the beer Baron and Marge catches him and and he spills the beans and Marge and Lisa have the following conversation.

"Homer, I'm very impressed."

"Mom?"

"Well I am Lisa. I've known your father since highschool and this is the cleverest thing he's ever done"

This is pretty much my opinion. They're being giant tools, but my word aren't the being clever.

I wouldn't really call it clever. It was expected by most people.

I think people were just joking around. That's how I saw it at least.

Really? It seemed like the a typical Sony move to me. I just thought "What's the dumbest thing they could possibly do?".

KiTA

bruin wrote: »

shryke wrote: »

Blaket wrote: »

You know I'm reminded of the Simpsons episode where Homer becomes the beer Baron and Marge catches him and and he spills the beans and Marge and Lisa have the following conversation.

"Homer, I'm very impressed."

"Mom?"

"Well I am Lisa. I've known your father since highschool and this is the cleverest thing he's ever done"

This is pretty much my opinion. They're being giant tools, but my word aren't the being clever.

I wouldn't really call it clever. It was expected by most people.

I think people were just joking around. That's how I saw it at least.

Ok, who the hell gave Sony the idea? Serious Mr. Sony Executive Lurker, if you're going to steal our ideas, how about stealing some good ones. Like: "Make some decent games" and "Stop acting like twatwaffles in the press" and "Drop the price to something in the range of 'Affordable by mere mortals'."

Ownage Jones

KiTA wrote: »

bruin wrote: »

So it's 60GB for $500 for as long as you can find it, and they aren't making anymore? That's such bullshit. Basically the price gets raised back up to $600 as soon as they sell out.

Yup. It's standard Sony. They announce a huge price drop during the press frenzy, then quietly announce that the version that's being dropped in price is going to be discontinued.

Since they announce that AFTER the press frenzy, not as many people hear about it.

Meanwhile, people who go to buy the new cheaper PS3 assume that the 60GB version is just being sold out everywhere, so hey, they might as well get the $600 80GB version cause hey, it's a little better and comes with a free shitty game.

Cross posted.

I'm Lazy right now, so:

They obviously want to move to a position where all new PS3's are Emotion Engine free. They have a load of 60GB models there with EE, and they want to push them out to make way for the new model. Even though the 80GB unit itself is cheaper to produce, they can't just sell it at the cheaper price because a load of 60GB will be left on the shelf. So they make the 80GB into a bundle, until all the 60GB's sell out then they sell the 80GB without the bundle at the new price point.

So yea, $499 is here to stay. I'm willing to bet there are enough EE+ PS3's out there to satisfy the immediate demand, then after that, 80 GB and no Motorstorm. Of course, I'm expecting an overreaction, because hey, internet.

And MotorStorm isn't shitty.

KiTA

Hm, where did you read that they're dropping the price on the 80GB version?

Ranced

It's an assumption.

Furu

Ranced wrote: »

It's an assumption.

Ass out of you and me etc

Ownage Jones

Basically, the only thing that makes sense. The cost-cutting PS3 is ready, but you know, I doubt they drop the price again by $100, maybe $50 for the holidays.

shryke

Zephyr wrote: »

shryke wrote: »

Zephyr wrote: »

so uh
and the 360 3 red lights still haven't been fixed

I thought they'd fixed that design problem that caused it. The Elites aren't supposed to get it now, afaik.

can i get a link or something?

They were talking about it on the Xbox Warranty thread. Here on page 19

A quick summary:

I dont think you understand what the RRD problem actually does.

It doesnt break the solder, it loosens it from the board, lifting it up as the mainboard warps under heat and breaks the connection.

When you apply the towel trick it warps the board again, thus raising the board up to the now loosened solder and reconnecting the electical signal. In effect, it bends the mainboard out so that the solder is stretched tight against the surface, thus reattaching it. The adhesive to connect the solder wasnt applied on non Elite 360s which is why it breaks, but it is on the Elites.

There is no melting of solder involved in any way at all. Therefore the heating up of the console using the towel trick is not, as many think, to melt the solder back onto the mainboard, it is to warp the board and melt the adhesive that attaches certain components to the mainboard so that previously split connections are now reattached.


Think of it like this. You stick a poster on a wall using blutack and it falls off after a while. what do you do? you roll the tack in your hands to warm it so that it becomes more sticky. you dont need to melt the poster back onto the wall for it to stick there.

The design of the 360 means when it gets warm, like all electronic devices, the mainboard warps slightly breaking electrical connections on the surface over time.

Like bending the end of a fork back and forth until it breaks.

To save money and try to make profit MS didnt add in an adhesive, which is now in the Elite model, which covers these joints meaning even when the board warps they stay firmly in place. Also, the cooling of the 360 is not so good, small ineffient fans and terrible heat sinks. Extras have been reported to be added in refurbed 360s.

It is a design fault.

Furu

Ownage Jones wrote: »

Basically, the only thing that makes sense. The cost-cutting PS3 is ready, but you know, I doubt they drop the price again by $100, maybe $50 for the holidays.

You're right, that does make sense.

But after the last two years my faith in Sony doing something that makes sense has diminished to the point that it's pretty much non-existent.

KiTA

Ownage Jones wrote: »

Basically, the only thing that makes sense. The cost-cutting PS3 is ready, but you know, I doubt they drop the price again by $100, maybe $50 for the holidays.

Angel farts and diesel man. While you could believe that Sony is just waiting for all that old old worthless $500 stock to vanish before dropping the price again, that goes completely against their current corporate philosophy: Acting Batshit Insane.

Ownage Jones

Furu wrote: »

Ownage Jones wrote: »

Basically, the only thing that makes sense. The cost-cutting PS3 is ready, but you know, I doubt they drop the price again by $100, maybe $50 for the holidays.

You're right, that does make sense.

But after the last two years my faith in Sony doing something that makes sense has diminished to the point that it's pretty much non-existent.

Hey, I get it.

For the record, I still think the price is too high to move in droves. Even at $449, you can stomach it, but you'll be gagging. $399 and they're attractive.

While you could believe that Sony is just waiting for all that old old worthless $500 stock to vanish before dropping the price again, that goes completely against their current corporate philosophy: Acting Batshit Insane.

:?

Hey, no problem. Let's just all be irrational instead. :roll:

Night.

Xenogears of Bore

This guy is head of the Europe branch and he could be misinformed. The only reason I say that is the other article on that page where he says that the PS3 will be the clear winner in the next gen console race by March '08.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=26703

How does this relate to the supposed sham price drop? I think it may be because this guy is off his rocker.

shryke

This guy is head of the Europe branch and he could be misinformed. The only reason I say that is the other article on that page where he says that the PS3 will be the clear winner in the next gen console race by March '08.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=26703

How does this relate to the supposed sham price drop? I think it may be because this guy is off his rocker.

I honestly don't think that just having the games on Xbox 360 is enough.

Ahh, Sony, you crazy silly guys.

toxk_02

Kaz says they're going back to one $599 SKU:

Kaz wrote:

Well, again, just from a hardware perspective, the 499 dollar price adjustment that we did for the 60 GB version, for the american market, uh, we're no longer in production for that product, so uh once that product is gone from the retailer shelves, then we're back to the $599 SKU only, so it's not like we have a two price strategy here in the US market. We found out very early on, you know, consumers react mostly to just having one SKU as opposed to two.

Source: http://atvs.vg.no/?id=10235 1:41 mark

Xenogears of Bore

toxk_02 wrote: »

Kaz says they're going back to one $599 SKU:

Kaz wrote:

Well, again, just from a hardware perspective, the 499 dollar price adjustment that we did for the 60 GB version, for the american market, uh, we're no longer in production for that product, so uh once that product is gone from the retailer shelves, then we're back to the $599 SKU only, so it's not like we have a two price strategy here in the US market. We found out very early on, you know, consumers react mostly to just having one SKU as opposed to two.

Source: http://atvs.vg.no/?id=10235 1:41 mark

Well, here is someone who is much less insane. the words "back to the $599 SKU only" are pretty damn final.

Ranced

Well, there you go.

KiTA

toxk_02 wrote: »

Kaz says they're going back to one $599 SKU:

Kaz wrote:

Well, again, just from a hardware perspective, the 499 dollar price adjustment that we did for the 60 GB version, for the american market, uh, we're no longer in production for that product, so uh once that product is gone from the retailer shelves, then we're back to the $599 SKU only, so it's not like we have a two price strategy here in the US market. We found out very early on, you know, consumers react mostly to just having one SKU as opposed to two.

Source: http://atvs.vg.no/?id=10235 1:41 mark

So, do we call this confirmed at this point? That the price cut was never really a price cut, just a Fire Sale?

Xenogears of Bore

KiTA wrote: »

toxk_02 wrote: »

Kaz says they're going back to one $599 SKU:

Kaz wrote:

Well, again, just from a hardware perspective, the 499 dollar price adjustment that we did for the 60 GB version, for the american market, uh, we're no longer in production for that product, so uh once that product is gone from the retailer shelves, then we're back to the $599 SKU only, so it's not like we have a two price strategy here in the US market. We found out very early on, you know, consumers react mostly to just having one SKU as opposed to two.

Source: http://atvs.vg.no/?id=10235 1:41 mark

So, do we call this confirmed at this point? That the price cut was never really a price cut, just a Fire Sale?

Two sources from just about as high up as you go? CONFIRMED.

I think they'll have a rotating game as the pack in at this price, and even that won't help them.

Instead of a UK price drop they are getting motorstorm, resistance, and another controller. This is a pretty good deal, save for the fact that the system is hideously overpriced there.

This adds to the fact that even if you think that some of the fall/winter titles will move big numbers over here, none of those games will sell well at all in Japan. They are going to be in serious trouble unless they do something a bit more drastic than a temporary fire sale.

Athenor

This is the biggest news of E3 so far, just for the record. By FAR.

The thread title probably should be changed as soon as possible.

Lunker

Jesus fucking christ.

Yeah, this requires a new thread. I made one here.

Daybreak

Wow, this is infuriating! Just when I was thinking about actually buying one of these things, Sony goes and reminds me that they're a bunch of dicks.

At the slightly-less-insane pricepoint of $499, I would have probably bought one once stuff I was interested in starts coming out (late this year, early next, I guess). But now? Will there even be a $499 model then? Or will it be stuck in a hardware rotation?

How about, you know, actually dropping the price for good, you fucks?

apotheos

Well, gee. This is just damn hilarious is what this is.


Maybe they need to dress up some guy as Princess Leia in a bikini to try and push the $599 SKU.

apotheos

I suggest that we move over to the new thread for continued PS3 conversation. The cause behind this thread seems to have evaporated.

http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=29160