The thing with the 80s franchises is that many of them had very good ideas, but, due to restrictions and the chances of getting a real writer to work on children's programming, largely crappy stories.
This is why things like the original Transformers movie, the movement of comics away from the comics code, and anime, have been so embraced. The good ideas could actually be used properly.
Whether they will or not is another matter... and it brings up another major issue with these movies:
Every single first movie has to be a Pilot Episode, which makes them rougher than they could be.
The thing with the 80s franchises is that many of them had very good ideas, but, due to restrictions and the chances of getting a real writer to work on children's programming, largely crappy stories.
Let's also not forget the influence of child education experts and groups worried about bad influences. Things like Filmation's "one and out" rule and the rather creepy push to conform present in those shows was their doing.
One of the creators of the Dungeons & Dragons cartoon commented about the latter issue, and how he chafed at it in an article online. You might want to read up on it.
And I agree that there's alot of properties that could be done way better. Which is why remakes aren't always bad. Look at Batman:TAS. That's a remake. And a damn good one. Or something like BSG. Which I loved even more cause I remember seeing that for the first time when I was like 10, and even then I thought "Damn, this would be awesome if someone took it seriously.".
The thing with the 80s franchises is that many of them had very good ideas, but, due to restrictions and the chances of getting a real writer to work on children's programming, largely crappy stories.
Let's also not forget the influence of child education experts and groups worried about bad influences. Things like Filmation's "one and out" rule and the rather creepy push to conform present in those shows was their doing.
One of the creators of the Dungeons & Dragons cartoon commented about the latter issue, and how he chafed at it in an article online. You might want to read up on it.
"one and out" rule?
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The new Ren and Stimpy episodes where Ren was always fudgepacking Stimpy... that raped my childhood pretty good.
I think all you people getting up in arms over the quality of your reinvented childhood TV series should go back and reevaluate the quality of these shows.
The pertinent point is at the bottom. I'll put it here.
As you may know, there are those out there who attempt to influence the content of childrens' television. We call them "parents groups," although many are not comprised of parents, or at least not of folks whose primary interest is as parents. Study them and you'll find a wide array of agendum at work...and I suspect that, in some cases, their stated goals are far from their real goals.
Nevertheless, they all seek to make kidvid more enriching and redeeming, at least by their definitions, and at the time, they had enough clout to cause the networks to yield. Consultants were brought in and we, the folks who were writing cartoons, were ordered to include certain "pro-social" morals in our shows. At the time, the dominant "pro-social" moral was as follows: The group is always right...the complainer is always wrong.
This was the message of way too many eighties' cartoon shows. If all your friends want to go get pizza and you want a burger, you should bow to the will of the majority and go get pizza with them. There was even a show for one season on CBS called The Get-Along Gang, which was dedicated unabashedly to this principle. Each week, whichever member of the gang didn't get along with the gang learned the error of his or her ways.
We were forced to insert this "lesson" in D & D, which is why Eric was always saying, "I don't want to do that" and paying for his social recalcitrance. I thought it was forced and repetitive, but I especially objected to the lesson. I don't believe you should always go along with the group. What about thinking for yourself? What about developing your own personality and viewpoint? What about doing things because you decide they're the right thing to do, not because the majority ruled and you got outvoted?
We weren't allowed to teach any of that. We had to teach kids to join gangs. And then to do whatever the rest of the gang wanted to do.
What a stupid thing to teach children.
I'm pretty sure that's what he was referring to. Can't remember why it's called "one and out" though.
Also didnt someone in PA use to post Monthly Movie releases? I remember he gave out good reviews anyone know who I am talking about?
Gim just posted the July one. If it isn't on the first D&D page it's probably on the second.
They don't tend to last more than a page or two these days. And I can't really say that I'm doing reviews, I'm just guessing based on the past work of the people involved and the premises. With my step up to a more international schedule, the amount of commenting I do has decreased just because there's so much linking, I don't have time to read up on/check out a lot of the releases.
The pertinent point is at the bottom. I'll put it here.
As you may know, there are those out there who attempt to influence the content of childrens' television. We call them "parents groups," although many are not comprised of parents, or at least not of folks whose primary interest is as parents. Study them and you'll find a wide array of agendum at work...and I suspect that, in some cases, their stated goals are far from their real goals.
Nevertheless, they all seek to make kidvid more enriching and redeeming, at least by their definitions, and at the time, they had enough clout to cause the networks to yield. Consultants were brought in and we, the folks who were writing cartoons, were ordered to include certain "pro-social" morals in our shows. At the time, the dominant "pro-social" moral was as follows: The group is always right...the complainer is always wrong.
This was the message of way too many eighties' cartoon shows. If all your friends want to go get pizza and you want a burger, you should bow to the will of the majority and go get pizza with them. There was even a show for one season on CBS called The Get-Along Gang, which was dedicated unabashedly to this principle. Each week, whichever member of the gang didn't get along with the gang learned the error of his or her ways.
We were forced to insert this "lesson" in D & D, which is why Eric was always saying, "I don't want to do that" and paying for his social recalcitrance. I thought it was forced and repetitive, but I especially objected to the lesson. I don't believe you should always go along with the group. What about thinking for yourself? What about developing your own personality and viewpoint? What about doing things because you decide they're the right thing to do, not because the majority ruled and you got outvoted?
We weren't allowed to teach any of that. We had to teach kids to join gangs. And then to do whatever the rest of the gang wanted to do.
What a stupid thing to teach children.
I'm pretty sure that's what he was referring to. Can't remember why it's called "one and out" though.
Creepy though. Seriously creepy.
shit, I remember the Getalong Gang too.
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Yes,... yes, I agree. It's totally unfair that sober you gets into trouble for things that drunk you did.
The thing with the 80s franchises is that many of them had very good ideas, but, due to restrictions and the chances of getting a real writer to work on children's programming, largely crappy stories.
Let's also not forget the influence of child education experts and groups worried about bad influences. Things like Filmation's "one and out" rule and the rather creepy push to conform present in those shows was their doing.
One of the creators of the Dungeons & Dragons cartoon commented about the latter issue, and how he chafed at it in an article online. You might want to read up on it.
"one and out" rule?
Filmation had a rule in shows like Masters Of The Universe that if a villain was hit once by the good guys, they were out of the fight. Sort of kills dramatic tension.
Edit: Shryke, that was the article about D&D I was talking about, thank you.
I still shudder at the one time I foolishly rented some Robotech, remembering how much I liked it as a kid. That really did rape my childhood memories.
Funny Robotech should get mentioned - I just got back from seeing Transformers. Stuff was blow up, giant robots = I was satisfied. But next time gentlemen, less of the annoying humans. Seriously.
During the climatic battle in the city, one particular scene made me want to scream "Give me my Battlemech movie! NOW GODAMMIT!!"
With the same level of sfx, that is a franchise I would kill my own grandmother for. But a good STORY would be required too. You hear that Hollywood-studio-ripping-off-this-idea?
I remember going to see the Dungeons and Dragons movie a few years back.
I went with some fellow former D&D players and when we got to our seats it seemed apparent that most of the crowd there fell into the D&D fanboy catagory. Now you'd think with all the published campaigns and novelizations and comic books they could have come up with a halfway decent plot, thrown in some CGI dragons and the like and we'd have been happy. Holy crap it was soooooo bad. Generally I'm a fairly forgiving moviegoer but damn! They must have blown all the money on CGI dragons 'cause the rest of the props looket like leftovers form a Power Rangers episode, all painted plastic. The fanboy crowd was booing by the end. The best part of the entire evening was the first teaser trailer to LOTR that we saw before the movie.
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Yes,... yes, I agree. It's totally unfair that sober you gets into trouble for things that drunk you did.
Honestly, most of those franchises were pretty lame. Sure they were cool then, but not so much anymore. If I watch transformers now, it seems melodramatic, cheesy, poorly drawn, and kinda silly.
Eh. The one thing I really like about the G1 animation is that they were more realistic ROBOTS.
They were slow, lumbering, chunky, and inflexible, with large shells over all their delicate parts, rather than a million exposed wires and random tiny pieces of metal.
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Luckily the biggest thing from my childhood, TMNT, was simply made better by relaunches.
The D&D movie is one of the most depressing events in gamer history.
Though I hear the sequel wasn't that bad.
There was a sequel? How is that at all possible?
Satan, clearly.
I think the biggest child-rape a comin' is gonna be that thar G.I. Joe movie. A movie with two armies of guys shooting over each other's heads. Probably filled with propaganda too. That's gonna rule.
I think as a person who has a younger sister, and remembers all 80's cartoon theme songs, it's important for me to remind you all that Jem was outrageous. Truly, truly, truly outrageous.
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This is why things like the original Transformers movie, the movement of comics away from the comics code, and anime, have been so embraced. The good ideas could actually be used properly.
Whether they will or not is another matter... and it brings up another major issue with these movies:
Every single first movie has to be a Pilot Episode, which makes them rougher than they could be.
Let's also not forget the influence of child education experts and groups worried about bad influences. Things like Filmation's "one and out" rule and the rather creepy push to conform present in those shows was their doing.
One of the creators of the Dungeons & Dragons cartoon commented about the latter issue, and how he chafed at it in an article online. You might want to read up on it.
And I agree that there's alot of properties that could be done way better. Which is why remakes aren't always bad. Look at Batman:TAS. That's a remake. And a damn good one. Or something like BSG. Which I loved even more cause I remember seeing that for the first time when I was like 10, and even then I thought "Damn, this would be awesome if someone took it seriously.".
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But no. You guys are upset that your cartoons are getting remade.
I guess that's pretty bad too.
"one and out" rule?
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It didn't really have that far to fall.
The link is here: http://www.povonline.com/cols/COL145.htm
The pertinent point is at the bottom. I'll put it here.
I'm pretty sure that's what he was referring to. Can't remember why it's called "one and out" though.
Creepy though. Seriously creepy.
They don't tend to last more than a page or two these days. And I can't really say that I'm doing reviews, I'm just guessing based on the past work of the people involved and the premises. With my step up to a more international schedule, the amount of commenting I do has decreased just because there's so much linking, I don't have time to read up on/check out a lot of the releases.
shit, I remember the Getalong Gang too.
Filmation had a rule in shows like Masters Of The Universe that if a villain was hit once by the good guys, they were out of the fight. Sort of kills dramatic tension.
Edit: Shryke, that was the article about D&D I was talking about, thank you.
Funny Robotech should get mentioned - I just got back from seeing Transformers. Stuff was blow up, giant robots = I was satisfied. But next time gentlemen, less of the annoying humans. Seriously.
During the climatic battle in the city, one particular scene made me want to scream "Give me my Battlemech movie! NOW GODAMMIT!!"
With the same level of sfx, that is a franchise I would kill my own grandmother for. But a good STORY would be required too. You hear that Hollywood-studio-ripping-off-this-idea?
I went with some fellow former D&D players and when we got to our seats it seemed apparent that most of the crowd there fell into the D&D fanboy catagory. Now you'd think with all the published campaigns and novelizations and comic books they could have come up with a halfway decent plot, thrown in some CGI dragons and the like and we'd have been happy. Holy crap it was soooooo bad. Generally I'm a fairly forgiving moviegoer but damn! They must have blown all the money on CGI dragons 'cause the rest of the props looket like leftovers form a Power Rangers episode, all painted plastic. The fanboy crowd was booing by the end. The best part of the entire evening was the first teaser trailer to LOTR that we saw before the movie.
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OMG! Didn't that just suck an awesome amount of ass! O_o
I went with a friend who had the total hots for Jeremy Irons. As we walked out we agreed to never speak of THAT movie again.
Though I hear the sequel wasn't that bad.
They were slow, lumbering, chunky, and inflexible, with large shells over all their delicate parts, rather than a million exposed wires and random tiny pieces of metal.
There was a sequel? How is that at all possible?
Dude, I'm only 18 and Star Wars was still a huge part of my childhood.
Satan, clearly.
I think the biggest child-rape a comin' is gonna be that thar G.I. Joe movie. A movie with two armies of guys shooting over each other's heads. Probably filled with propaganda too. That's gonna rule.
I'm 25, and I never really cared that much about it.
It was a thing to talk about, but so was Gummi Bears.
I think it had a big resurgance in the 90's due to the "updated" versions, which weren't bad other than Greedo shooting first.
They would have done better to bring back Dino Riders or something.
your track record of 'wrong about things' just grew by another data point.
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I'm lucky, I think my childhood is safe. No-one's ever going to remake Superted or Biker Mice from Mars :P
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Also, the furries will probably bring that back.
I mean. Aside from the porn that I'm sure is out there.
Also, I am glad my childhood didn't center too much around rape-able icons.
We said that about Underdog...
(sobbing)
You've never heard of Rule #34, have you?
As well, the music was contagious.
Not to nit-pick, and yes it is quite cute and remarkable,
but how is this a rape of your childhood memories?
just askin'