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Houk: Seriously man, downloadable at US$30. I'd buy it twice. Pitch it to them until they bleed from the ears, I beg of you. Hell they could release it through retail AND by download if they wanted, like Sony's doing with Warhawk, LittleBigPlanet, Wipeout HD and Socom.
ive discussed the download option with my boss, but they have reservations to say the least. and to release at $30 they'd have to cut their budget even more than they already are. And you would be shocked at what kind of budget they're trying to shoot for on this.
Also, Sony didn't force anyone. I specifically asked my boss if Sony would start forcing people off the PS2, and he made it pretty clear that it's up to the dev. Sony America does have certain requirements to get it released in america, however, but that's all i can say about that.
Let me just say this, and please GOD nobody quote me anywhere official or i will gut you and feed your innards to an angry puma - N1 will always be a sony company. but that doesn't mean they're only a sony company, as proven by their planned eventual excursion onto the DS. Have faith, yon readers, they havent totally lost their gourd just yet.
Shit man, you better be ready for a large amount of retarded Nintendo fanboys shitting on NIS now. They're going to eat you alive, then they'll buy Wii Fit to lose the extra weight you gave them. ;-)
As for the download option, I figured that since you wouldn't have to print any discs or packaging and the royalties that go to Sony wouldn't be as big, there wouldn't be THAT much difference by the end of it. So there is?
Ah well, hopefully Koei localise it as quickly as they did with Disgaea 2 (which only took a couple of months), or just import it.
As for the download option, I figured that since you wouldn't have to print any discs or packaging and the royalties that go to Sony wouldn't be as big, there wouldn't be THAT much difference by the end of it. So there is?
i dunno exactly how the royalties/licensing fees cost or what kind of royalty difference there is, so im not sure if there being a physical disc would change it. i imagine sony would sneak in some sort of fee for hosting the game or some shit. no packaging saves a little cash, but it's by no means a substantial portion of the development costs.
If you release Disgaea 3 in Europe (and East Europe) with some kind of a bonus, like an artbook or maybe one of the PS2 games (as a bundle, even if I get an extra copy of what I already have), I'll buy the damn game whether I own the PS3 or not. I'm just too gay for the kind of gameplay offered by NIS titles and I had LOADS of fun with Disgaea 2 (and it had a soundtrack as a bonus, that's like a double-whammy for me).
I've recently (last Saturday) aquired Phantom Brave, so it will be getting some love from me after I beat Lucifer's Call. It also has a bonus soundtrack (MASSIVE WIN).
As for the download option, I figured that since you wouldn't have to print any discs or packaging and the royalties that go to Sony wouldn't be as big, there wouldn't be THAT much difference by the end of it. So there is?
i dunno exactly how the royalties/licensing fees cost or what kind of royalty difference there is, so im not sure if there being a physical disc would change it. i imagine sony would sneak in some sort of fee for hosting the game or some shit. no packaging saves a little cash, but it's by no means a substantial portion of the development costs.
Well yeah, I'm sure they do but I figured it'd be less than the royalties they take from retail games. Probably wouldn't make $30 difference but then there's another couple of reasons why I think going downloadable would be a good idea. First off, you wouldn't have to rely on Koei to release your games in Europe, nor would they have a share in the profits. And secondly, the lower price point would probably mean better sales.
Strifer: I'm pretty sure NIS have very little input into what extras are sold with the game. That decision would probably go to Koei Europe, who have so far published all the NIS games that made it to Europe.
First off, you wouldn't have to rely on Koei to release your games in Europe, nor would they have a share in the profits. And secondly, the lower price point would probably mean better sales.
well you have to balance the better sales of a lower price point versus...a lower price point. im not a business guy so im not gonna even try to weigh in on that, though it's something we've considered in the past and always leave open. as for koei, the game would still have to be approved by sony for european release and koei would still have to localize and market it, just like us. so there's really no getting away from that end of it.
Houk: Seriously man, downloadable at US$30. I'd buy it twice. Pitch it to them until they bleed from the ears, I beg of you. Hell they could release it through retail AND by download if they wanted, like Sony's doing with Warhawk, LittleBigPlanet, Wipeout HD and Socom.
ive discussed the download option with my boss, but they have reservations to say the least. and to release at $30 they'd have to cut their budget even more than they already are. And you would be shocked at what kind of budget they're trying to shoot for on this.
Also, Sony didn't force anyone. I specifically asked my boss if Sony would start forcing people off the PS2, and he made it pretty clear that it's up to the dev. Sony America does have certain requirements to get it released in america, however, but that's all i can say about that.
Let me just say this, and please GOD nobody quote me anywhere official or i will gut you and feed your innards to an angry puma - N1 will always be a sony company. but that doesn't mean they're only a sony company, as proven by their planned eventual excursion onto the DS. Have faith, yon readers, they havent totally lost their gourd just yet.
Well I hope that changes, I want to see them become an "everybody" company. :P
But alas, I shall still buy Disgaea for the DS... For one, because I love strategy RPGs, also because I want to support the Nintendo side of things. But mainly because I like SRPGs.
First off, you wouldn't have to rely on Koei to release your games in Europe, nor would they have a share in the profits. And secondly, the lower price point would probably mean better sales.
well you have to balance the better sales of a lower price point versus...a lower price point. im not a business guy so im not gonna even try to weigh in on that, though it's something we've considered in the past and always leave open. as for koei, the game would still have to be approved by sony for european release and koei would still have to localize and market it, just like us. so there's really no getting away from that end of it.
Fair enough, but do Koei actually translate the game into any other languages? I can't remember any other languages being in any of my NIS games but then I guess they could've just taken them out for english speaking countries.
As for approval, I'd say it'd depend on when Sony gets their 'global approval' thing working. Way back at Dice or GDC, Phil Harrison said that they'd be approving games globally at some point in the future. So instead of publishers having to get approval for Japan, NA and Europe, they'd just get approval from Sony themselves and they'd be able to release it in any market. At least that's how most people interpreted what he said.
I bet NIS could survive in Japan and not touch foot in NA like so many other developers.
Sure, if they want to remain the same size forever and have their survival depend on their once-a-year release.
Without going into specifics, our NA branch accounted for a substantial portion of the company's total income and was crucial in allowing them to become a publicly-traded company.
Also, i know it feels good to vent, but no amount of 'why not ps2?!' is gonna change the reality of the situation. sorry guys
Just try ignoring my internet petition! I've already got 5 signatures baby! We're gonna ride this thing to the white house!
as for koei, the game would still have to be approved by sony for european release and koei would still have to localize and market it, just like us. so there's really no getting away from that end of it.
Uh, isn't it in English already by the time it gets an US release?
I'm pretty sure NIS have very little input into what extras are sold with the game. That decision would probably go to Koei Europe, who have so far published all the NIS games that made it to Europe.
Please let me hope... I'll still buy it, but I hate not getting cool bonuses.
God Tracks? Oh yes, they are awesome... in Japan. It was pretty much Clover's swan-song, so I'm grateful it got over here at all.
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as for koei, the game would still have to be approved by sony for european release and koei would still have to localize and market it, just like us. so there's really no getting away from that end of it.
Uh, isn't it in English already by the time it gets an US release?
UK games have to be localized in a lot more than English, I think.
Uh, isn't it in English already by the time it gets an US release?
They speak more than just English in Europe. Nevermind the technical issues with PAL and all that.
Uh, I don't know much about it so I may be completely off base with this but I can't imagine the sort of PAL conversion that squishes everything and makes it move at 5/6ths speed is all that time consuming. I we're lucky we get an option screen when the game first boots asking us if we just want an NTSC signal instead (pretty much any decent TV has been able to handle it for years). Also, I don't think I've once seen this sort of niche game have any kind of language option beyond English/Japanese voices (and we only have a 50/50 chance of getting that IF it was in the American version).
But why can't it be on the PS2? It still 'supports' Sony while not fucking over quite a few Disgaea fans.
Because they wanted it to be on the PS3? Good god, are people crying over this. Your lucky NIS is even bringing it out here. Hell if I were the japanese director of NIS I would see this and say good bye, close the NA branch and poof you complains get nothing.
Of course none of that would happen, thats just a thing I would do.
Anyway, anyone have more screens? This looks awesome.
And that is why you are not in any position of substantial power.
It was a theory at best. Though the prospect of getting a Japanese CEO to start a company is highly motivating when releasing a game for a specific system, hearing the whiners about why it can't be on XXX system and then saying good bye and the looks on thier faces would be priceless. I bet NIS could survive in Japan and not touch foot in NA like so many other developers. If I could learn Japanese and Kanji faster, I would love to play some games NA's can't get thier hands on.
Wow. So closing an American branch of your company, costing people jobs and cutting out a chunk of your potential consumers would be something you would do to spite some internet complainers? That's a bordeline retarded business decision that would get you on the unemployment line so fast your head would spin of it's torso.
Uh, isn't it in English already by the time it gets an US release?
They speak more than just English in Europe. Nevermind the technical issues with PAL and all that.
I was just being sarcastic. And as Wateyad mentioned, it can't really take THAT long to convert the game to PAL, especially if you throw in the option for NTSC, since every sane person is going to use it anyway.
But why can't it be on the PS2? It still 'supports' Sony while not fucking over quite a few Disgaea fans.
Because they wanted it to be on the PS3? Good god, are people crying over this. Your lucky NIS is even bringing it out here. Hell if I were the japanese director of NIS I would see this and say good bye, close the NA branch and poof you complains get nothing.
Of course none of that would happen, thats just a thing I would do.
Anyway, anyone have more screens? This looks awesome.
And that is why you are not in any position of substantial power.
It was a theory at best. Though the prospect of getting a Japanese CEO to start a company is highly motivating when releasing a game for a specific system, hearing the whiners about why it can't be on XXX system and then saying good bye and the looks on thier faces would be priceless. I bet NIS could survive in Japan and not touch foot in NA like so many other developers. If I could learn Japanese and Kanji faster, I would love to play some games NA's can't get thier hands on.
Wow. So closing an American branch of your company, costing people jobs and cutting out a chunk of your potential consumers would be something you would do to spite some internet complainers? That's a bordeline retarded business decision that would get you on the unemployment line so fast your head would spin of it's torso.
Why is it surprising that Katchem_ash is saying something borderline retarded?
But why can't it be on the PS2? It still 'supports' Sony while not fucking over quite a few Disgaea fans.
Because they wanted it to be on the PS3? Good god, are people crying over this. Your lucky NIS is even bringing it out here. Hell if I were the japanese director of NIS I would see this and say good bye, close the NA branch and poof you complains get nothing.
Of course none of that would happen, thats just a thing I would do.
Anyway, anyone have more screens? This looks awesome.
And that is why you are not in any position of substantial power.
It was a theory at best. Though the prospect of getting a Japanese CEO to start a company is highly motivating when releasing a game for a specific system, hearing the whiners about why it can't be on XXX system and then saying good bye and the looks on thier faces would be priceless. I bet NIS could survive in Japan and not touch foot in NA like so many other developers. If I could learn Japanese and Kanji faster, I would love to play some games NA's can't get thier hands on.
Wow. So closing an American branch of your company, costing people jobs and cutting out a chunk of your potential consumers would be something you would do to spite some internet complainers? That's a bordeline retarded business decision that would get you on the unemployment line so fast your head would spin of it's torso.
Why is it surprising that Katchem_ash is saying something borderline retarded?
Shocking really. Although I would say anyone who wishes that Nippon Ichi would go bankrupt because they make a PS3 game is just as retarded. For a thread about an awesome game, there has been a lot of retarded :P.
I think arguing over who's poorer is a pretty assholish thing to do.
I'm completely destitute. I can only afford a 250$ console, not your fancy dancy 600$ console!
Let me just say this, and please GOD nobody quote me anywhere official or i will gut you and feed your innards to an angry puma - N1 will always be a sony company. but that doesn't mean they're only a sony company, as proven by their planned eventual excursion onto the DS. Have faith, yon readers, they havent totally lost their gourd just yet.
I can understand their loyalty... but at what cost?
I just hope it ends up on another system. So, your vague responses give me hope.
As for approval, I'd say it'd depend on when Sony gets their 'global approval' thing working.
i think that's in effect right now, but the thing is...even though you can get 'global approval', the regional branch can still step in and say 'nah, we think you should do X and Y before we give you the go-ahead'. So it's global, but...not.
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Houk, I think what we're trying to say in this thread is that if we ever find you we'll have to beat you for answers.
i think that's in effect right now, but the thing is...even though you can get 'global approval', the regional branch can still step in and say 'nah, we think you should do X and Y before we give you the go-ahead'. So it's global, but...not.
Damn it, I really wish Sony would stop doing stuff like that. It makes me want to pick on them but we are way into the pile on stage and it's not really sporting.
For a thread about an awesome game, there has been a lot of retarded :P.
The problem is that it was an awesome game...3 years ago when it was called Disgaea: Hour of Darkness. Although I like some of the games that NIS brings out, they really feel like Capcom back in the day when it felt like they took the latest game in their popular series (Megaman & Street Fighter being the worst offenders), slapped on a couple new characters, and called it a sequel. NIS strategy seems to be to reuse most of the sprites from the past game, switch the main character (although keep the old characters as cameos or unlockables), and toss on a gameplay gimmick or two.
Now I know that NIS is a small company and they don't have a ton of money for development, but I don't think it's too much to ask that if they're going to make a PS3 game instead of a PS2 game that the game in question doesn't look like a PSP game.
I'd be more sympathetic to your whining if you could focus it a bit. Is it about graphics or gameplay? Graphics you have a firm case.
Gameplay? They totally screwed around with the gameplay in an incredibly interesting fashion for Phantom Brave; everybody bitches about it. Disgaea 2 is really an improved Disgaea and people bitched about that too.
They aren't going to suddenly implement a RTS interface but to say they don't try and innovate is dishonest.
For a thread about an awesome game, there has been a lot of retarded :P.
The problem is that it was an awesome game...3 years ago when it was called Disgaea: Hour of Darkness. Although I like some of the games that NIS brings out, they really feel like Capcom back in the day when it felt like they took the latest game in their popular series (Megaman & Street Fighter being the worst offenders), slapped on a couple new characters, and called it a sequel. NIS strategy seems to be to reuse most of the sprites from the past game, switch the main character (although keep the old characters as cameos or unlockables), and toss on a gameplay gimmick or two.
Now I know that NIS is a small company and they don't have a ton of money for development, but I don't think it's too much to ask that if they're going to make a PS3 game instead of a PS2 game that the game in question doesn't look like a PSP game.
As far as the PS1/2 games go, there was a fair amount of evolution as the games went on (compare LP:Tactics to Disgaea). Disgaea 2 really was just more Disgaea 1, but honestly, if its not broke, don't fuck with it.
I do agree that if they are doing a PS3 game they probably need to kick up the visuals a bit, but it sounds like the game won't be coming out for awhile yet. The retarded I was refering to was more the 'I hope N1 crashes and burns because they are developing for a system I don't have' talk.
Uh, isn't it in English already by the time it gets an US release?
They speak more than just English in Europe. Nevermind the technical issues with PAL and all that.
Uh, I don't know much about it so I may be completely off base with this but I can't imagine the sort of PAL conversion that squishes everything and makes it move at 5/6ths speed is all that time consuming. I we're lucky we get an option screen when the game first boots asking us if we just want an NTSC signal instead (pretty much any decent TV has been able to handle it for years). Also, I don't think I've once seen this sort of niche game have any kind of language option beyond English/Japanese voices (and we only have a 50/50 chance of getting that IF it was in the American version).
Stupid Disgaea 2 question. Working on powerleveling my way to a Rank 6 knight. According to the Wiki, who's information I think is a bit off, I need 192 levels in Rank 5 before Rank 6 opens. Is that accurate, or do I just need 192 more levels in any Magical Knight rank? Can I just level 50 times, reincarnate, level 50 times, etc or do I have to hit L192 as the Rank 5?
Stupid questions, and I think I know the answer, but it's late and I'm tired. :P
Multiplayer would be nice... Personally, I'd be most happy if they added some reason to level your characters past level 100 other than higher numbers. Like, new skills all the way to 9999, for example.
Also, it'd be incredibly cool if Baal was level 99,999 this time. :P
Multiplayer would be nice... Personally, I'd be most happy if they added some reason to level your characters past level 100 other than higher numbers. Like, new skills all the way to 9999, for example.
Also, it'd be incredibly cool if Baal was level 99,999 this time. :P
That might be a little overkill.
But it would be awesome to have to battle someone who surpassed the 9999 limit.
You'd still be capped at 9999, but you'd be fighting someone who is like, level 20,000.
Multiplayer would be nice... Personally, I'd be most happy if they added some reason to level your characters past level 100 other than higher numbers. Like, new skills all the way to 9999, for example.
Also, it'd be incredibly cool if Baal was level 99,999 this time. :P
It'd be better if they added some actual strategy to the postgame, rather than "break the system until you're high enough level to kill the extra bosses". Because really, I'm fucking tired of that.
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Shit man, you better be ready for a large amount of retarded Nintendo fanboys shitting on NIS now. They're going to eat you alive, then they'll buy Wii Fit to lose the extra weight you gave them. ;-)
As for the download option, I figured that since you wouldn't have to print any discs or packaging and the royalties that go to Sony wouldn't be as big, there wouldn't be THAT much difference by the end of it. So there is?
Ah well, hopefully Koei localise it as quickly as they did with Disgaea 2 (which only took a couple of months), or just import it.
I've recently (last Saturday) aquired Phantom Brave, so it will be getting some love from me after I beat Lucifer's Call. It also has a bonus soundtrack (MASSIVE WIN).
Well yeah, I'm sure they do but I figured it'd be less than the royalties they take from retail games. Probably wouldn't make $30 difference but then there's another couple of reasons why I think going downloadable would be a good idea.
Strifer: I'm pretty sure NIS have very little input into what extras are sold with the game. That decision would probably go to Koei Europe, who have so far published all the NIS games that made it to Europe.
Well I hope that changes, I want to see them become an "everybody" company. :P
But alas, I shall still buy Disgaea for the DS... For one, because I love strategy RPGs, also because I want to support the Nintendo side of things.
"The DS's dollars shall blot out the sun!"
It's 3:41 AM.
Cut me some slack. -_-
Speaking of Disgaea DS... I've only heard that it was announced, but is it coming anytime soon?
Fair enough, but do Koei actually translate the game into any other languages? I can't remember any other languages being in any of my NIS games but then I guess they could've just taken them out for english speaking countries.
As for approval, I'd say it'd depend on when Sony gets their 'global approval' thing working. Way back at Dice or GDC, Phil Harrison said that they'd be approving games globally at some point in the future. So instead of publishers having to get approval for Japan, NA and Europe, they'd just get approval from Sony themselves and they'd be able to release it in any market. At least that's how most people interpreted what he said.
If I were rich I'd fund that game. -_-
Just try ignoring my internet petition! I've already got 5 signatures baby! We're gonna ride this thing to the white house!
Uh, isn't it in English already by the time it gets an US release?
Please let me hope... I'll still buy it, but I hate not getting cool bonuses.
God Tracks? Oh yes, they are awesome... in Japan. It was pretty much Clover's swan-song, so I'm grateful it got over here at all.
UK games have to be localized in a lot more than English, I think.
The fact that this still looks like a PS2 game is absurd.
Uh, I don't know much about it so I may be completely off base with this but I can't imagine the sort of PAL conversion that squishes everything and makes it move at 5/6ths speed is all that time consuming. I we're lucky we get an option screen when the game first boots asking us if we just want an NTSC signal instead (pretty much any decent TV has been able to handle it for years). Also, I don't think I've once seen this sort of niche game have any kind of language option beyond English/Japanese voices (and we only have a 50/50 chance of getting that IF it was in the American version).
Wow. So closing an American branch of your company, costing people jobs and cutting out a chunk of your potential consumers would be something you would do to spite some internet complainers? That's a bordeline retarded business decision that would get you on the unemployment line so fast your head would spin of it's torso.
I was just being sarcastic. And as Wateyad mentioned, it can't really take THAT long to convert the game to PAL, especially if you throw in the option for NTSC, since every sane person is going to use it anyway.
Why is it surprising that Katchem_ash is saying something borderline retarded?
Shocking really. Although I would say anyone who wishes that Nippon Ichi would go bankrupt because they make a PS3 game is just as retarded. For a thread about an awesome game, there has been a lot of retarded :P.
I am a freaking nerd.
I think arguing over who's poorer is a pretty assholish thing to do.
I'm completely destitute. I can only afford a 250$ console, not your fancy dancy 600$ console!
I can understand their loyalty... but at what cost?
I just hope it ends up on another system. So, your vague responses give me hope.
We know where he is. Locked up in the Nippon Ichi US Compound.
It's only a matter of time, Houk.
NIS is now publicly traded in Japan? When did THAT happen? o.O
Looks like early last month (2007/06/13), at least according to TokyoIPO
Largest shareholder?
RosenQueen & Co. - 39.01%
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I am a freaking nerd.
The problem is that it was an awesome game...3 years ago when it was called Disgaea: Hour of Darkness. Although I like some of the games that NIS brings out, they really feel like Capcom back in the day when it felt like they took the latest game in their popular series (Megaman & Street Fighter being the worst offenders), slapped on a couple new characters, and called it a sequel. NIS strategy seems to be to reuse most of the sprites from the past game, switch the main character (although keep the old characters as cameos or unlockables), and toss on a gameplay gimmick or two.
Now I know that NIS is a small company and they don't have a ton of money for development, but I don't think it's too much to ask that if they're going to make a PS3 game instead of a PS2 game that the game in question doesn't look like a PSP game.
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Gameplay? They totally screwed around with the gameplay in an incredibly interesting fashion for Phantom Brave; everybody bitches about it. Disgaea 2 is really an improved Disgaea and people bitched about that too.
They aren't going to suddenly implement a RTS interface but to say they don't try and innovate is dishonest.
As far as the PS1/2 games go, there was a fair amount of evolution as the games went on (compare LP:Tactics to Disgaea). Disgaea 2 really was just more Disgaea 1, but honestly, if its not broke, don't fuck with it.
I do agree that if they are doing a PS3 game they probably need to kick up the visuals a bit, but it sounds like the game won't be coming out for awhile yet. The retarded I was refering to was more the 'I hope N1 crashes and burns because they are developing for a system I don't have' talk.
I am a freaking nerd.
Wrong. Converting to PAL is a pain in the ass.
Stupid questions, and I think I know the answer, but it's late and I'm tired. :P
For the record, the Wiki was spot on. Bleh.
It would be completely awesome if there was a multiplayer option included.
Also, it'd be incredibly cool if Baal was level 99,999 this time. :P
But it would be awesome to have to battle someone who surpassed the 9999 limit.
You'd still be capped at 9999, but you'd be fighting someone who is like, level 20,000.
It'd be better if they added some actual strategy to the postgame, rather than "break the system until you're high enough level to kill the extra bosses". Because really, I'm fucking tired of that.