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Disgaea 3 and an SMT game are the only things that would make me buy a PS3. I don't want to have to buy one. I am hoping beyond hope that this is fake.
cj, are you REALLY surprised that they're wasting powerful technology? This is NIS. It's not like they're exactly known for games with graphics and effects so beautiful they shatter the boundary between reality and the gaming world.
I desperately want Houk to show up and say it's all a nightmare but I seriously doubt he will.
Damn it, I refuse to pay 500 dollars to play a game that could run on a PS2. No. I won't do it. If I keep telling myself this I may just be able to stick to it.
I dunno..it just seems really odd (ok, completely retarded) that any company would be stupid enough to go "hey, we have these extremely niche titles..so..lets release them on the console with by far the lowest userbase, yay!"
I dunno..it just seems really odd (ok, completely retarded) that any company would be stupid enough to go "hey, we have these extremely niche titles..so..lets release them on the console with by far the lowest userbase, yay!"
Exactly. It makes me wonder if there really are "fanboys" in the industry. I mean, take a look at this. We've been told that you can make several Wii games for the price of one PS3 game. The userbase of the Wii is leaps and bounds larger than the PS3, with it's growth showing no signs of slowing down. AND, there are already two games from the same genre of Disgae (Fire Emblem, Romance of the Three Kingdoms) to get sales from.
They're practically sending this title out to die, if you ask me. It would have been far more logical for a Wii/PS2 release than this. That, or put this on the PS3's download store.
So yeah, I have to wonder if these guys have something against Nintendo. It's strange, especially considering Disgae is supposedly coming to the DS.
Hopefully, not everyone follows this pattern. The Wii could REALLY use some good games right now.
I dunno..it just seems really odd (ok, completely retarded) that any company would be stupid enough to go "hey, we have these extremely niche titles..so..lets release them on the console with by far the lowest userbase, yay!"
Exactly. It makes me wonder if there really are "fanboys" in the industry. I mean, take a look at this. We've been told that you can make several Wii games for the price of one PS3 game. The userbase of the Wii is leaps and bounds larger than the PS3, with it's growth showing no signs of slowing down. AND, there are already two games from the same genre of Disgae (Fire Emblem, Romance of the Three Kingdoms) to get sales from.
They're practically sending this title out to die, if you ask me. It would have been far more logical for a Wii/PS2 release than this. That, or put this on the PS3's download store.
So yeah, I have to wonder if these guys have something against Nintendo. It's strange, especially considering Disgae is supposedly coming to the DS.
Hopefully, not everyone follows this pattern. The Wii could REALLY use some good games right now.
Games like Disgaea seriously cost a ton of money to make. Seriously.
I dunno..it just seems really odd (ok, completely retarded) that any company would be stupid enough to go "hey, we have these extremely niche titles..so..lets release them on the console with by far the lowest userbase, yay!"
Exactly. It makes me wonder if there really are "fanboys" in the industry. I mean, take a look at this. We've been told that you can make several Wii games for the price of one PS3 game. The userbase of the Wii is leaps and bounds larger than the PS3, with it's growth showing no signs of slowing down. AND, there are already two games from the same genre of Disgae (Fire Emblem, Romance of the Three Kingdoms) to get sales from.
They're practically sending this title out to die, if you ask me. It would have been far more logical for a Wii/PS2 release than this. That, or put this on the PS3's download store.
So yeah, I have to wonder if these guys have something against Nintendo. It's strange, especially considering Disgae is supposedly coming to the DS.
Hopefully, not everyone follows this pattern. The Wii could REALLY use some good games right now.
Games like Disgaea seriously cost a ton of money to make. Seriously.
I'm not sure I believe that, but even if that was true, wouldn't that mean it would make even more sense to put it on the PS2/Wii?
I dunno..it just seems really odd (ok, completely retarded) that any company would be stupid enough to go "hey, we have these extremely niche titles..so..lets release them on the console with by far the lowest userbase, yay!"
Exactly. It makes me wonder if there really are "fanboys" in the industry. I mean, take a look at this. We've been told that you can make several Wii games for the price of one PS3 game. The userbase of the Wii is leaps and bounds larger than the PS3, with it's growth showing no signs of slowing down. AND, there are already two games from the same genre of Disgae (Fire Emblem, Romance of the Three Kingdoms) to get sales from.
They're practically sending this title out to die, if you ask me. It would have been far more logical for a Wii/PS2 release than this. That, or put this on the PS3's download store.
So yeah, I have to wonder if these guys have something against Nintendo. It's strange, especially considering Disgae is supposedly coming to the DS.
Hopefully, not everyone follows this pattern. The Wii could REALLY use some good games right now.
Games like Disgaea seriously cost a ton of money to make. Seriously.
I'm not sure I believe that, but even if that was true, wouldn't that mean it would make even more sense to put it on the PS2/Wii?
It was sarcasm. It costs as much to make Disgaea for the PS3 as it does to make it for the wii.
Just because the wii is outselling the PS3 doesn't mean no other games should ever be released for the PS3. This is DS vs PSP all over again, and it's already annoying.
I dunno..it just seems really odd (ok, completely retarded) that any company would be stupid enough to go "hey, we have these extremely niche titles..so..lets release them on the console with by far the lowest userbase, yay!"
Exactly. It makes me wonder if there really are "fanboys" in the industry. I mean, take a look at this. We've been told that you can make several Wii games for the price of one PS3 game. The userbase of the Wii is leaps and bounds larger than the PS3, with it's growth showing no signs of slowing down. AND, there are already two games from the same genre of Disgae (Fire Emblem, Romance of the Three Kingdoms) to get sales from.
They're practically sending this title out to die, if you ask me. It would have been far more logical for a Wii/PS2 release than this. That, or put this on the PS3's download store.
So yeah, I have to wonder if these guys have something against Nintendo. It's strange, especially considering Disgae is supposedly coming to the DS.
Hopefully, not everyone follows this pattern. The Wii could REALLY use some good games right now.
Games like Disgaea seriously cost a ton of money to make. Seriously.
I'm not sure I believe that, but even if that was true, wouldn't that mean it would make even more sense to put it on the PS2/Wii?
It was sarcasm. It costs as much to make Disgaea for the PS3 as it does to make it for the wii.
Just because the wii is outselling the PS3 doesn't mean no other games should ever be released for the PS3. This is DS vs PSP all over again, and it's already annoying.
I'm not saying there shouldn't, but what I am saying is that this doesn't demand high end graphics or physics. I can see games like MGS4, Mass Effect, GTA4, etc, being on the big systems because they kind of demand that power, but something as small as Disgaea doesn't really demand that at all.
Eh, maybe I'm just annoyed. I own a Wii at the moment, and it's selling gangbusters, but it's getting nothing interesting aside from Nintendo's stuff. It was always touted that "the console that sells the most gets the games," but thus far it seems that isn't true. Even with games that don't require uber processing power.
It was always touted that "the console that sells the most gets the games," but thus far it seems that isn't true. Even with games that don't require uber processing power.
What you excepted? Developing titles takes 12-18 months, and most companies have just recently noticed that they betted their money on wrong horse.
Hmm...I dunno. These screenshots make me nervous. It looks uncannily like its previous two iterations. And I mean that in a bad way. Yes, yes, I know "gameplay over graphics" and "It's NIS, what do you expect?!" and all that, but I'm not demanding Gears of War-type graphical fidelity, just some noticeable marked improvement in the look. Perhaps a touch of specularity on a reflective surface here, a dab of fairly high-resolution textures there, it's not that hard to do. I mean, they are totally wasting the PS3's power. I think the biggest offender to me here is the lack of high-res sprites. I don't know. Maybe I've just been spoiled by Odin Sphere and GrimGrimoire, but right now I'm holding both as standards of how to do amazing sprite work, and the revealed screenshots of Disgaea 3 fall really short in the margin.
And with all the people saying that it is cheaper to make 360 games or Wii games than a PS3 game, coupled with the programming difficulties, along with the fact that either of the two have larger install bases than the PS3 makes me question Nippon Ichi's business decision in putting this in the PS3.
It was always touted that "the console that sells the most gets the games," but thus far it seems that isn't true. Even with games that don't require uber processing power.
What you excepted? Developing titles takes 12-18 months, and most companies have just recently noticed that they betted their money on wrong horse.
I suppose, but I'd have at least liked some announcements that things are in the works at this point.
The sprites look blurry and terrible in those pictures.
Well, Disgaea was never a graphically intense series to begin with.
Though admittedly a graphical update would have been nice.
Indeed. Pixels are nice and everything but they have started to come around all the time, eating my food and making lame excuses like "But I was the hat in Super Mario!" ... tough luck bitch! This is a world with 3 dimensions now!
No, seriously. What the FUCK, NIS? You guys are a niche publisher, niche publishers can't survive on a install base as small as the PS3's.
I wish I could say that I'd buy a PS3 for this, but, no, I don't even think NIS would be enough to get me to plop down $600 for a console.
I wonder if Houk knew about this... Maybe he can talk some sense into them?
Of course, with screenshots already out, it's probably too late...
Eh, they can likely downgrade it (probably won't need to) for the other systems. I hope they do, I won't be paying $600 for this.
I mean, I'll get a PS3 someday, but it's going to be a long time.
I can't imagine what kinda of bubble the Japanese Devteam must be in. This reminds me of the old story about NIS-Japan and the PSP/DS meeting.
I'm probably butchering it, but the way I heard it (from Houk? From that other NIS/Atlus guy that used to post here?) the Japanese Devteam was meeting with some fans having an interview, and asked "Hey, who here likes the PSP?"
Out of the group, about 1 or 2 hands went up.
Confused, one of them asked "Well, who here likes the DS?"
Out of the groups, about 1 or 2 hands stayed down.
Which was literally the first time they heard anything about the DS beating the PSP in sales / popularity / etc. Granted, the DS wasn't outselling the rest of the industry COMBINED at that point, but the writing on the wall was still plain to see there.
It's even more plain to see at this point. If the PS3 can barely outsell the XBOX in Japan, then things are officially "train wreck" status.
I hate to think that the PS3 Disgaea was created / started back around 6 months ago -- it almost definitely was -- when the PS3 hype train hadn't be derailed by the Wii coming from left field and knocking them all to hell.
Maybe it's not too late, maybe someone can talk some sense into them and get them to do the same thing they did for the PSP/DS (i.e., ask someone OTHER than their Sony rep what gamers are really buying) and turn this around. Maybe they could port it to the Wii at the same time? Maybe it's not a PS3 title, but just a PS2 title in a PS3 box?
One thought though. If they do release Disgaea 3 on the PS3, and it tanks -- and with such a low install base, it probably will -- How badly would hat hurt a small dev house like NIS?
Yeah, I have to agree with everyone who thinks this is an insane decision. Judging from the screenshots, this game could easily work on the PS2 (I didn't see any noticeable difference from the past games although admittedly I haven't played Disgaea for a while) where they would be able to take advantage of the system's huge userbase while still selling to PS3 owners due to backwards compatibility.
Yeah, I have to agree with everyone who thinks this is an insane decision. Judging from the screenshots, this game could easily work on the PS2 (I didn't see any noticeable difference from the past games although admittedly I haven't played Disgaea for a while) where they would be able to take advantage of the system's huge userbase while still selling to PS3 owners due to backwards compatibility.
Except that Sony has decided Backwards Compatibility is soooo 2006.
(The next revision of the hardware is having the BC screwed with.)
No, seriously. What the FUCK, NIS? You guys are a niche publisher, niche publishers can't survive on a install base as small as the PS3's.
I wish I could say that I'd buy a PS3 for this, but, no, I don't even think NIS would be enough to get me to plop down $600 for a console.
I wonder if Houk knew about this... Maybe he can talk some sense into them?
Of course, with screenshots already out, it's probably too late...
Eh, they can likely downgrade it (probably won't need to) for the other systems. I hope they do, I won't be paying $600 for this.
I mean, I'll get a PS3 someday, but it's going to be a long time.
I can't imagine what kinda of bubble the Japanese Devteam must be in. This reminds me of the old story about NIS-Japan and the PSP/DS meeting.
I'm probably butchering it, but the way I heard it (from Houk? From that other NIS/Atlus guy that used to post here?) the Japanese Devteam was meeting with some fans having an interview, and asked "Hey, who here likes the PSP?"
Out of the group, about 1 or 2 hands went up.
Confused, one of them asked "Well, who here likes the DS?"
Out of the groups, about 1 or 2 hands stayed down.
Which was literally the first time they heard anything about the DS beating the PSP in sales / popularity / etc. Granted, the DS wasn't outselling the rest of the industry COMBINED at that point, but the writing on the wall was still plain to see there.
It's even more plain to see at this point. If the PS3 can barely outsell the XBOX in Japan, then things are officially "train wreck" status.
I hate to think that the PS3 Disgaea was created / started back around 6 months ago -- it almost definitely was -- when the PS3 hype train hadn't be derailed by the Wii coming from left field and knocking them all to hell.
Maybe it's not too late, maybe someone can talk some sense into them and get them to do the same thing they did for the PSP/DS (i.e., ask someone OTHER than their Sony rep what gamers are really buying) and turn this around. Maybe they could port it to the Wii at the same time? Maybe it's not a PS3 title, but just a PS2 title in a PS3 box?
One thought though. If they do release Disgaea 3 on the PS3, and it tanks -- and with such a low install base, it probably will -- How badly would hat hurt a small dev house like NIS?
Interesting, didn't know about that.
Anyway, I don't think it would kill them if it tanks. But it would likely be a "stuck my finger in an electrical socket, won't be doing that again" kind of thing (if it tanked.)
This looks likes Disgaea with a slightly sharper 3d environement and the same old low-res sprites. If you're making a game with sprites for the current gen, you should at least make your sprite hi-res, like those SF2 HD ones. That would be delicious.
I'm probably butchering it, but the way I heard it (from Houk? From that other NIS/Atlus guy that used to post here?) the Japanese Devteam was meeting with some fans having an interview, and asked "Hey, who here likes the PSP?"
Out of the group, about 1 or 2 hands went up.
Confused, one of them asked "Well, who here likes the DS?"
Out of the groups, about 1 or 2 hands stayed down.
Which was literally the first time they heard anything about the DS beating the PSP in sales / popularity / etc. Granted, the DS wasn't outselling the rest of the industry COMBINED at that point, but the writing on the wall was still plain to see there.
If I remember the timing right, this was around / slightly after the PSP port of Disgaea was announced.
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What earthly reason is there to do a isometric strategy game on the PS3, especially since it just looks like the other two with flashier effects?
It might even be a PS2 game they're just updating.
cj, are you REALLY surprised that they're wasting powerful technology? This is NIS. It's not like they're exactly known for games with graphics and effects so beautiful they shatter the boundary between reality and the gaming world.
Damn it, I refuse to pay 500 dollars to play a game that could run on a PS2. No. I won't do it. If I keep telling myself this I may just be able to stick to it.
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Unforgiveable.
It will be rude awakening for NIS when sales are below 20 000 copies in Japan.
I'm going to get one for MGS4 and I want another game to play for my six hundred dollars
I hope it is. I think to many developers think this generation will be a repeat of the last.
I get the feeling they're in for a harsh lesson.
Exactly. It makes me wonder if there really are "fanboys" in the industry. I mean, take a look at this. We've been told that you can make several Wii games for the price of one PS3 game. The userbase of the Wii is leaps and bounds larger than the PS3, with it's growth showing no signs of slowing down. AND, there are already two games from the same genre of Disgae (Fire Emblem, Romance of the Three Kingdoms) to get sales from.
They're practically sending this title out to die, if you ask me. It would have been far more logical for a Wii/PS2 release than this. That, or put this on the PS3's download store.
So yeah, I have to wonder if these guys have something against Nintendo. It's strange, especially considering Disgae is supposedly coming to the DS.
Hopefully, not everyone follows this pattern. The Wii could REALLY use some good games right now.
Games like Disgaea seriously cost a ton of money to make. Seriously.
I'm not sure I believe that, but even if that was true, wouldn't that mean it would make even more sense to put it on the PS2/Wii?
It was sarcasm. It costs as much to make Disgaea for the PS3 as it does to make it for the wii.
Just because the wii is outselling the PS3 doesn't mean no other games should ever be released for the PS3. This is DS vs PSP all over again, and it's already annoying.
I'm not saying there shouldn't, but what I am saying is that this doesn't demand high end graphics or physics. I can see games like MGS4, Mass Effect, GTA4, etc, being on the big systems because they kind of demand that power, but something as small as Disgaea doesn't really demand that at all.
Eh, maybe I'm just annoyed. I own a Wii at the moment, and it's selling gangbusters, but it's getting nothing interesting aside from Nintendo's stuff. It was always touted that "the console that sells the most gets the games," but thus far it seems that isn't true. Even with games that don't require uber processing power.
What you excepted? Developing titles takes 12-18 months, and most companies have just recently noticed that they betted their money on wrong horse.
Hmm...I dunno. These screenshots make me nervous. It looks uncannily like its previous two iterations. And I mean that in a bad way. Yes, yes, I know "gameplay over graphics" and "It's NIS, what do you expect?!" and all that, but I'm not demanding Gears of War-type graphical fidelity, just some noticeable marked improvement in the look. Perhaps a touch of specularity on a reflective surface here, a dab of fairly high-resolution textures there, it's not that hard to do. I mean, they are totally wasting the PS3's power. I think the biggest offender to me here is the lack of high-res sprites. I don't know. Maybe I've just been spoiled by Odin Sphere and GrimGrimoire, but right now I'm holding both as standards of how to do amazing sprite work, and the revealed screenshots of Disgaea 3 fall really short in the margin.
And with all the people saying that it is cheaper to make 360 games or Wii games than a PS3 game, coupled with the programming difficulties, along with the fact that either of the two have larger install bases than the PS3 makes me question Nippon Ichi's business decision in putting this in the PS3.
I suppose, but I'd have at least liked some announcements that things are in the works at this point.
Though admittedly a graphical update would have been nice.
I'd trust a press release way more than I'd trust Kotaku.
Anyway, I really hope it's downloadable. Price it at US$30 for all I care, just make it downloadable.
Indeed. Pixels are nice and everything but they have started to come around all the time, eating my food and making lame excuses like "But I was the hat in Super Mario!" ... tough luck bitch! This is a world with 3 dimensions now!
Sure, if their game actually used the hardware to the best of its abilities. But with it looking the way it is now? Not so much.
No, seriously. What the FUCK, NIS? You guys are a niche publisher, niche publishers can't survive on a install base as small as the PS3's.
I wish I could say that I'd buy a PS3 for this, but, no, I don't even think NIS would be enough to get me to plop down $600 for a console.
I wonder if Houk knew about this... Maybe he can talk some sense into them?
Of course, with screenshots already out, it's probably too late...
Eh, they can likely downgrade it (probably won't need to) for the other systems. I hope they do, I won't be paying $600 for this.
I mean, I'll get a PS3 someday, but it's going to be a long time.
What would be neat is to see the characters in HD. I remember seeing the new Street Fighter sprites and that was a world of difference.
I love Disgaea.
Awesome.
I can't imagine what kinda of bubble the Japanese Devteam must be in. This reminds me of the old story about NIS-Japan and the PSP/DS meeting.
I'm probably butchering it, but the way I heard it (from Houk? From that other NIS/Atlus guy that used to post here?) the Japanese Devteam was meeting with some fans having an interview, and asked "Hey, who here likes the PSP?"
Out of the group, about 1 or 2 hands went up.
Confused, one of them asked "Well, who here likes the DS?"
Out of the groups, about 1 or 2 hands stayed down.
Which was literally the first time they heard anything about the DS beating the PSP in sales / popularity / etc. Granted, the DS wasn't outselling the rest of the industry COMBINED at that point, but the writing on the wall was still plain to see there.
It's even more plain to see at this point. If the PS3 can barely outsell the XBOX in Japan, then things are officially "train wreck" status.
I hate to think that the PS3 Disgaea was created / started back around 6 months ago -- it almost definitely was -- when the PS3 hype train hadn't be derailed by the Wii coming from left field and knocking them all to hell.
Maybe it's not too late, maybe someone can talk some sense into them and get them to do the same thing they did for the PSP/DS (i.e., ask someone OTHER than their Sony rep what gamers are really buying) and turn this around. Maybe they could port it to the Wii at the same time? Maybe it's not a PS3 title, but just a PS2 title in a PS3 box?
One thought though. If they do release Disgaea 3 on the PS3, and it tanks -- and with such a low install base, it probably will -- How badly would hat hurt a small dev house like NIS?
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Except that Sony has decided Backwards Compatibility is soooo 2006.
(The next revision of the hardware is having the BC screwed with.)
Interesting, didn't know about that.
Anyway, I don't think it would kill them if it tanks. But it would likely be a "stuck my finger in an electrical socket, won't be doing that again" kind of thing (if it tanked.)
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If I remember the timing right, this was around / slightly after the PSP port of Disgaea was announced.