I don't see how thats bad. The Emperor/Empresses of Japan must be a pure blood Japanese not some foreigner. I would totally be for that if I was Japanese.
That's a reasonable statement. If the Emperess is a breeding filly.
She's not a horse. She's a human. If you want her to not breed with a foreigner, maybe telling her not to get pregnant with a foreigner is a good plan. But perhaps the Japanese Diet, made up of some of the most influential men in the country, is too uncomfortable talking to a young woman about her reproductive health. Believe it or not, human females can control their urges to breed with handsome foreigners.
Sorry, the politicians are full of shit on that one for treating a prospective symbolic leader of their country as sub-human.
So how American would he have to be to be acceptable to you? Like, native American? 1st generation immigrant? 2nd generation?
And how Japanese is Japanese enough. Say one of you favourite games was made by a guy who was 1/2 European or 1/2 Malaysian, would it still be a good game? Seeing as the only good games evar are made by Japanese people.
So how American would he have to be to be acceptable to you? Like, native American? 1st generation immigrant? 2nd generation?
And how Japanese is Japanese enough. Say one of you favourite games was made by a guy who was 1/2 European or 1/2 Malaysian, would it still be a good game? Seeing as the only good games evar are made by Japanese people.
I'm not American so take it up with them on how American they have to be.
And I said, I have played non Japanese games before and never liked them. Its my preferance to play said games until the Western Game Developers can match the Japanese. Until then, I shall stick to my Japanese games.
I don't see how thats bad. The Emperor/Empresses of Japan must be a pure blood Japanese not some foreigner. I would totally be for that if I was Japanese.
You don't see how it's bad to use the argument only against a female heir?
A male heir to the throne is just as capable of falling in love with a foreign female, is he not?
What about a female heir being female would cause her to be more likely to fall in love with a foreigner?
Well, I wasn't commenting on the comment that guy made, just on the basis of it.
Then why single that line out and comment on it when it's in a post about gender differences and in context was used as an argument against having an Empress?
So how American would he have to be to be acceptable to you? Like, native American? 1st generation immigrant? 2nd generation?
And how Japanese is Japanese enough. Say one of you favourite games was made by a guy who was 1/2 European or 1/2 Malaysian, would it still be a good game? Seeing as the only good games evar are made by Japanese people.
Hm. I don't actually have much of a problem with a non-American president. What do people expect him or her to do? Pull off the mask and cackle "hahahaha now you belong to the CHINEEEESE"?
I mean. Presumably they live and work in the country, and they've convinced the majority of the populace that they are a reasonable choice. Not much of a difference if they've got an accent.
katchem_ash are you saying that like the best written western games are, as far as you're concerned, objectively worse written than the absolute pits of japanese writing?
or just that overall since you prefer japanese games, you're not going to bother with western games
So how American would he have to be to be acceptable to you? Like, native American? 1st generation immigrant? 2nd generation?
And how Japanese is Japanese enough. Say one of you favourite games was made by a guy who was 1/2 European or 1/2 Malaysian, would it still be a good game? Seeing as the only good games evar are made by Japanese people.
I'm not American so take it up with them on how American they have to be.
And I said, I have played non Japanese games before and never liked them. Its my preferance to play said games until the Western Game Developers can match the Japanese. Until then, I shall stick to my Japanese games.
OK, what I said though was: What if one of your favourite games was made/produced/heavily influenced by something/someone who was not Japanese/100% Japanese. Would this affect your opinion of the game, after the fact.
Or to put it another way, if someone had convinced you at the time that BG2 was in fact from the Land of the Rising Sun, would you have been more open-minded towards it?
So how American would he have to be to be acceptable to you? Like, native American? 1st generation immigrant? 2nd generation?
And how Japanese is Japanese enough. Say one of you favourite games was made by a guy who was 1/2 European or 1/2 Malaysian, would it still be a good game? Seeing as the only good games evar are made by Japanese people.
Hm. I don't actually have much of a problem with a non-American president. What do people expect him or her to do? Pull off the mask and cackle "hahahaha now you belong to the CHINEEEESE"?
I mean. Presumably they live and work in the country, and they've convinced the majority of the populace that they are a reasonable choice. Not much of a difference if they've got an accent.
The Japanese Emperor/Empress should be pure Japanese.
Other than tradition, why?
Cause they are ruling Japan? The Exact reason my America should have an American President. Or for that matter any country in the world.
But any race can be "American". It shouldn't fucking matter what race someone is; if they've lived in Japan or the US all their life and love the country it's not going to affect their ability at being an Emperor or President. It's disgusting racism and you're fully supporting it.
The Japanese Emperor/Empress should be pure Japanese.
Other than tradition, why?
Cause they are ruling Japan? The Exact reason my America should have an American President. Or for that matter any country in the world.
They aren't ruling Japan. The ethnicity of the figurehead makes about as much difference as the color of the parliament building.
Also, we don't just allow people who are "pure" Americans to rule. You just need to have been a citizen at birth. You could have been born to two Mexican parents while they were visiting their relatives in the USA and still be able to run for president. Ethnicity doesn't factor into it.
Actually, come to think of it, the fact that it's a figurehead position anyway makes the whole debate meaningless.
I mean, if it was an actual position of power that they were trying to limit, we'd have issues, but a powerless royal family that's only there because we decided to let them keep having an emperor rather than nuke them a third time? Whatever.
katchem_ash are you saying that like the best written western games are, as far as you're concerned, objectively worse written than the absolute pits of japanese writing?
or just that overall since you prefer japanese games, you're not going to bother with western games
Once agian the ones I played I didn't like and when the Western Developers develop games which I do like then yes, However currently I consider it not worth my time to pay for and play some game I don't like.
@ Unicorn: No, because the game is the worst. I never liked it and never will whether its from Japan or somewhere else. Same reason why I didn't play God Hand or Metal Gear Solid.
katchem_ash are you saying that like the best written western games are, as far as you're concerned, objectively worse written than the absolute pits of japanese writing?
or just that overall since you prefer japanese games, you're not going to bother with western games
Once agian the ones I played I didn't like and when the Western Developers develop games which I do like then yes, However currently I consider it not worth my time to pay for and play some game I don't like.
katchem_ash are you saying that like the best written western games are, as far as you're concerned, objectively worse written than the absolute pits of japanese writing?
or just that overall since you prefer japanese games, you're not going to bother with western games
Once agian the ones I played I didn't like and when the Western Developers develop games which I do like then yes, However currently I consider it not worth my time to pay for and play some game I don't like.
@ Unicorn: No, because the game is the worst. I never liked it and never will whether its from Japan or somewhere else. Same reason why I didn't play God Hand or Metal Gear Solid.
Ok fair enough, although your comments earlier in the thread about how you don't like that you're a super-rambo type of guy led me to believe that you've never really looked at BG2 with an open mind (as your view of it is pretty much the polar opposite of my view of the game, where it really is all about your team members and your cooperation with them.)
I still think you're gimping your enjoyment with your blind dismissal of anything outside of Japan, there's a whole wonderful world out there, of course there's crap but I'm sure you'll realize, the spread of crap is pretty much independent of the country of origin.
Actually, come to think of it, the fact that it's a figurehead position anyway makes the whole debate meaningless.
I mean, if it was an actual position of power that they were trying to limit, we'd have issues, but a powerless royal family that's only there because we decided to let them keep having an emperor rather than nuke them a third time? Whatever.
This really isn't about the Imperial position, it's about the prevailing attitudes about women in Japan and the United States. Sexism exists both places, but it's not politically correct in the U.S., while it's institutionalized in Japan.
Psychonauts, Day of the Tentacle and Maniac Mansion, Grim Fandango, Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, Full Throttle: some of those are widely considered the best examples of writing in the gaming industry, especially Grim Fandango and Psychonauts. They're quite Western, but they're practically responsible for the genre being popular in Japan. How do you feel about those?
The Japanese Emperor/Empress should be pure Japanese.
Other than tradition, why?
Cause they are ruling Japan? The Exact reason my America should have an American President. Or for that matter any country in the world.
But they're not, anymore than the British Royal Family has any control over the UK.
Yes, but didn't the current queen come only to power by Geroge abdicating the throne in order to marry a divorced American Woman?
@titmouse: Yes, but you still require them to be American no? And What are the current candidates? Any recent immigrants? Or are they First/Second/etc born americans? Who would the American public vote for?
The Japanese Emperor/Empress should be pure Japanese.
Other than tradition, why?
Cause they are ruling Japan? The Exact reason my America should have an American President. Or for that matter any country in the world.
But they're not, anymore than the British Royal Family has any control over the UK.
Yes, but didn't the current queen come only to power by Geroge abdicating the throne in order to marry a divorced American Woman?
@titmouse: Yes, but you still require them to be American no? And What are the current candidates? Any recent immigrants? Or are they First/Second/etc born americans? Who would the American public vote for?
Barack Obama, a front-runner for the Democrat nomination, is the son of edit: an immigrant and a born citizen.
Being an American citizen is different from being a "pure" Japanese like the members of the Diet meant. I doubt they would like it if the princess screwed a black man whether or not he was Japanese.
Psychonauts, Day of the Tentacle and Maniac Mansion, Grim Fandango, Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, Full Throttle: some of those are widely considered the best examples of writing in the gaming industry, especially Grim Fandango and Psychonauts. They're quite Western, but they're practically responsible for the genre being popular in Japan. How do you feel about those?
Never played them. Probably never will as they fall out of the Scope which I play. I assume these are platformers? The only platformers I played are the Zelda series and Duel Hearts.
The types of games I play:
JRPGs: Main Area of Play
SRPGs: Second Main Area of play
Fighters: Like Street Fighter, Tekken, Art of Fighting etc.
Platformers: Like Zelda, Duel Hearts etc
Sports: Like Winning Eleven and Rumble Roses, nothing else.
SHUMPS: A Few, Castle Shikigami 2 and a few others.
Action: like Prince of Persia (I liked the whole Series), ICO, DMC and a few others. Hated GoW.
These are most of my playing areas with a dabble here and there.
@titmouse: Yes, but you still require them to be American no? And What are the current candidates? Any recent immigrants? Or are they First/Second/etc born americans? Who would the American public vote for?
Aside from Obama, there is a sizable portion of the American public that would vote for Governer Schwartzenegger for President if it were legal, and he's Austrian by birth.
Regardless, you haven't responded to my issue with treating a human female like prize breeding stock, and I think that the issue really can't proceed until it's sorted out:
I don't see how thats bad. The Emperor/Empresses of Japan must be a pure blood Japanese not some foreigner. I would totally be for that if I was Japanese.
That's a reasonable statement. If the Emperess is a breeding filly.
She's not a horse. She's a human. If you want her to not breed with a foreigner, maybe telling her not to get pregnant with a foreigner is a good plan. But perhaps the Japanese Diet, made up of some of the most influential men in the country, is too uncomfortable talking to a young woman about her reproductive health. Believe it or not, human females can control their urges to breed with handsome foreigners.
Sorry, the politicians are full of shit on that one for treating a prospective symbolic leader of their country as sub-human.
@Dracomicron:The reason why I commented on the "Have to be Japanese" because the Emperor/Empress represent Japan and until there is a sizable Foreign contingint in Japan to acuriatly define such a contingint, I think it is the right of the Diet, the People of Japan to choose and Demand that a full blood Japanese represent them.
To the Comment about women being breedign machines, not my concern because I neither am Japanese or a part of the Diet so I can't really do anything to condem them. I mean free speach and all. My views are quite agianst what the diet suggested.
I don't see how thats bad. The Emperor/Empresses of Japan must be a pure blood Japanese not some foreigner. I would totally be for that if I was Japanese.
You don't see how it's bad to use the argument only against a female heir?
A male heir to the throne is just as capable of falling in love with a foreign female, is he not?
What about a female heir being female would cause her to be more likely to fall in love with a foreigner?
Well, I wasn't commenting on the comment that guy made, just on the basis of it.
Regardless, I think that the idea is to stop any and all foriegn blood coming into the throne regardless of the gender. Which I fully support. The Japanese Emperor/Empress should be pure Japanese.
The Empress should be allowed to marry / have sex with whoever she damn well wants, to be honest. And the idea (as it was presented) that she should not be allowed to inherit because of her gender is beyond asinine.
Having certain restrictions in place is fair enough. In the UK, King Edward VIII chose to abdicate so he could marry a divorcée without causing uproar. However, the argument presented against having an Empress was bull.
@Dracomicron:The reason why I commented on the "Have to be Japanese" because the Emperor/Empress represent Japan and until there is a sizable Foreign contingint in Japan to acuriatly define such a contingint, I think it is the right of the Diet, the People of Japan to choose and Demand that a full blood Japanese represent them.
To the Comment about women being breedign machines, not my concern because I neither am Japanese or a part of the Diet so I can't really do anything to condem them. I mean free speach and all. My views are quite agianst what the diet suggested.
You're completely dodging the issue. The question is not whether or not a non-Japanese person could hold the Imperial title, it's whether they should make the Imperial title open only to men because women can't control themselves from breeding with tall, virile, and powerful foriegn men.
By agreeing with the sentiment, you're implying that:
A) Women have no control over their sexuality/mating instinct. It's perfectly appropriate and acceptable behavior for an Emperor to bang foreign girls all day and all night because there's no chance that he will get pregnant with a child of "impure" blood.
C) Birth control doesn't exist and isn't readily available for women who are the symbolic traditional leaders of their countries.
All of that is complete bullshit and is indefensible.
The Empress should be allowed to marry / have sex with whoever she damn well wants, to be honest. And the idea (as it was presented) that she should not be allowed to inherit because of her gender is beyond asinine.
I think a lot of this must stem from some sort of insecurity on the part of Japanese men in regards to men of other countries. I know that, in a lot of hentai, it's large, American soldier-looking men portrayed as the guys who bring the Japanese women to orgasm despite the fact that they're brutally raping them... so there's got to be some sort of fetish, like there is in the United States about black guys.
Didn't Japan have an Empress or two before? I don't quite understand why they would block it, but do agree with the Diet that she represents the Japanese people and needs to act in their best views. Of course, I don't think she could step down and stop being princess if she fell in love with a non-Japanese person so I guess that never will happen.
Anyway, isn't this pointless since she's like 5 or something?
Didn't Japan have an Empress or two before? I don't quite understand why they would block it, but do agree with the Diet that she represents the Japanese people and needs to act in their best views. Of course, I don't think she could step down and stop being princess if she fell in love with a non-Japanese person so I guess that never will happen.
Anyway, isn't this pointless since she's like 5 or something?
You know kids grow up right? And I just remembered, the whole British royal family are a load of Krauts anyway.
I'm not American so take it up with them on how American they have to be.
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It was supposed to be why. I can't edit my posts while I am in Jail.
@Dracomicron: I neither agree with A, B or C. I don't hold them anywhere in my views nor have I said. I only stated that the Japanese Emperor/Empress has to be full Japanese to represent Japan. I am a Monarchist so I dislike anything, anywhere that tries to bring down Emperors/Empresses
You all do realize that many, many people have tried to get K_A to become a well-rounded human being and actually consider games/shows/products/life that somehow didn't originate in Japan, and all have failed, right?
It's like arguing with a brick wall. A brick wall covered in misspelled Japanese characters.
You all do realize that many, many people have tried to get K_A to become a well-rounded human being and actually consider games/shows/products/life that somehow didn't originate in Japan, and all have failed, right?
It's like arguing with a brick wall. A brick wall covered in misspelled Japanese characters.
I like the part where he ignores peoples points and just makes his own over and over again. Gives me a fuzzy feeling inside.
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Cause they are ruling Japan? The Exact reason my America should have an American President. Or for that matter any country in the world.
That's a reasonable statement. If the Emperess is a breeding filly.
She's not a horse. She's a human. If you want her to not breed with a foreigner, maybe telling her not to get pregnant with a foreigner is a good plan. But perhaps the Japanese Diet, made up of some of the most influential men in the country, is too uncomfortable talking to a young woman about her reproductive health. Believe it or not, human females can control their urges to breed with handsome foreigners.
Sorry, the politicians are full of shit on that one for treating a prospective symbolic leader of their country as sub-human.
And how Japanese is Japanese enough. Say one of you favourite games was made by a guy who was 1/2 European or 1/2 Malaysian, would it still be a good game? Seeing as the only good games evar are made by Japanese people.
I'm not American so take it up with them on how American they have to be.
And I said, I have played non Japanese games before and never liked them. Its my preferance to play said games until the Western Game Developers can match the Japanese. Until then, I shall stick to my Japanese games.
Then why single that line out and comment on it when it's in a post about gender differences and in context was used as an argument against having an Empress?
Hm. I don't actually have much of a problem with a non-American president. What do people expect him or her to do? Pull off the mask and cackle "hahahaha now you belong to the CHINEEEESE"?
I mean. Presumably they live and work in the country, and they've convinced the majority of the populace that they are a reasonable choice. Not much of a difference if they've got an accent.
or just that overall since you prefer japanese games, you're not going to bother with western games
But they're not, anymore than the British Royal Family has any control over the UK.
OK, what I said though was: What if one of your favourite games was made/produced/heavily influenced by something/someone who was not Japanese/100% Japanese. Would this affect your opinion of the game, after the fact.
Or to put it another way, if someone had convinced you at the time that BG2 was in fact from the Land of the Rising Sun, would you have been more open-minded towards it?
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That would be the best inauguration ever
But any race can be "American". It shouldn't fucking matter what race someone is; if they've lived in Japan or the US all their life and love the country it's not going to affect their ability at being an Emperor or President. It's disgusting racism and you're fully supporting it.
They aren't ruling Japan. The ethnicity of the figurehead makes about as much difference as the color of the parliament building.
Also, we don't just allow people who are "pure" Americans to rule. You just need to have been a citizen at birth. You could have been born to two Mexican parents while they were visiting their relatives in the USA and still be able to run for president. Ethnicity doesn't factor into it.
I mean, if it was an actual position of power that they were trying to limit, we'd have issues, but a powerless royal family that's only there because we decided to let them keep having an emperor rather than nuke them a third time? Whatever.
Once agian the ones I played I didn't like and when the Western Developers develop games which I do like then yes, However currently I consider it not worth my time to pay for and play some game I don't like.
@ Unicorn: No, because the game is the worst. I never liked it and never will whether its from Japan or somewhere else. Same reason why I didn't play God Hand or Metal Gear Solid.
you didn't answer my question but it's okay
Ok fair enough, although your comments earlier in the thread about how you don't like that you're a super-rambo type of guy led me to believe that you've never really looked at BG2 with an open mind (as your view of it is pretty much the polar opposite of my view of the game, where it really is all about your team members and your cooperation with them.)
I still think you're gimping your enjoyment with your blind dismissal of anything outside of Japan, there's a whole wonderful world out there, of course there's crap but I'm sure you'll realize, the spread of crap is pretty much independent of the country of origin.
Thanks for taking the time to answer me though.
This really isn't about the Imperial position, it's about the prevailing attitudes about women in Japan and the United States. Sexism exists both places, but it's not politically correct in the U.S., while it's institutionalized in Japan.
Yes, but didn't the current queen come only to power by Geroge abdicating the throne in order to marry a divorced American Woman?
@titmouse: Yes, but you still require them to be American no? And What are the current candidates? Any recent immigrants? Or are they First/Second/etc born americans? Who would the American public vote for?
Bit of Apples and Oranges there.
1) The events you're talking about happened in 1936.
2) The British Monarch is also the head of the Church of England, thus being not only a national figurehead but also a religious one
3) Charles married Camilla and is next in line. They're both divorced.
Never played them. Probably never will as they fall out of the Scope which I play. I assume these are platformers? The only platformers I played are the Zelda series and Duel Hearts.
The types of games I play:
JRPGs: Main Area of Play
SRPGs: Second Main Area of play
Fighters: Like Street Fighter, Tekken, Art of Fighting etc.
Platformers: Like Zelda, Duel Hearts etc
Sports: Like Winning Eleven and Rumble Roses, nothing else.
SHUMPS: A Few, Castle Shikigami 2 and a few others.
Action: like Prince of Persia (I liked the whole Series), ICO, DMC and a few others. Hated GoW.
These are most of my playing areas with a dabble here and there.
Aside from Obama, there is a sizable portion of the American public that would vote for Governer Schwartzenegger for President if it were legal, and he's Austrian by birth.
Regardless, you haven't responded to my issue with treating a human female like prize breeding stock, and I think that the issue really can't proceed until it's sorted out:
To the Comment about women being breedign machines, not my concern because I neither am Japanese or a part of the Diet so I can't really do anything to condem them. I mean free speach and all. My views are quite agianst what the diet suggested.
The Empress should be allowed to marry / have sex with whoever she damn well wants, to be honest. And the idea (as it was presented) that she should not be allowed to inherit because of her gender is beyond asinine.
The entire Japanese socio-political scene in general is a total disaster. Corruption, nepotism... you name it... there's a healthy degree of it.
Giant brass throne, dripping with blood. Naturally with lots of skulls, khorney, I know.
You're completely dodging the issue. The question is not whether or not a non-Japanese person could hold the Imperial title, it's whether they should make the Imperial title open only to men because women can't control themselves from breeding with tall, virile, and powerful foriegn men.
By agreeing with the sentiment, you're implying that:
A) Women have no control over their sexuality/mating instinct.
C) Birth control doesn't exist and isn't readily available for women who are the symbolic traditional leaders of their countries.
All of that is complete bullshit and is indefensible.
I think a lot of this must stem from some sort of insecurity on the part of Japanese men in regards to men of other countries. I know that, in a lot of hentai, it's large, American soldier-looking men portrayed as the guys who bring the Japanese women to orgasm despite the fact that they're brutally raping them... so there's got to be some sort of fetish, like there is in the United States about black guys.
Didn't Japan have an Empress or two before? I don't quite understand why they would block it, but do agree with the Diet that she represents the Japanese people and needs to act in their best views. Of course, I don't think she could step down and stop being princess if she fell in love with a non-Japanese person so I guess that never will happen.
Anyway, isn't this pointless since she's like 5 or something?
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You know kids grow up right? And I just remembered, the whole British royal family are a load of Krauts anyway.
It was supposed to be why. I can't edit my posts while I am in Jail.
@Dracomicron: I neither agree with A, B or C. I don't hold them anywhere in my views nor have I said. I only stated that the Japanese Emperor/Empress has to be full Japanese to represent Japan. I am a Monarchist so I dislike anything, anywhere that tries to bring down Emperors/Empresses
It's like arguing with a brick wall. A brick wall covered in misspelled Japanese characters.
I like the part where he ignores peoples points and just makes his own over and over again. Gives me a fuzzy feeling inside.
Uhh, please don't. Most likely it will end up on Ebay or sold.