Well yeah. I always come out of FOTR wanting to see the whole thing, and come out of the other 2 not wanting to see any of them for a long time.
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AbsoluteZeroThe new film by Quentin KoopantinoRegistered Userregular
edited December 2007
I get the feeling that after Jackson bitched enough about not getting a big enough cut of the LOTR profits, the New Line folks cut a deal and said "Hey, put your name on these two cash-in flicks we are going to make, and you can get a cut of the profit without actually doing any work."
:whistle: Did you ever know that you're my hero,
and everything I would like to be?
I can fly higher than an eagle,
for you are the wind beneath my wings.
:whistle:
:whistle: Did you ever know that you're my hero,
and everything I would like to be?
I can fly higher than an eagle,
for you are the wind beneath my wings.
:whistle:
That could be the end credit song for The Hobbit.
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I've heard it hypothesized that Bombadil might actually be Adam, or whatever version of him would exist in Middle-Earth. Perhaps not merely the first man, but the first of all the folk in Middle-Earth.
The underlying Christian elements woven into LOTR shouldn't be overlooked, after all.
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I've heard it hypothesized that Bombadil might actually be Adam, or whatever version of him would exist in Middle-Earth. Perhaps not merely the first man, but the first of all the folk in Middle-Earth.
The underlying Christian elements woven into LOTR shouldn't be overlooked, after all.
There are so many more non-Christian elements than there are Christian ones, though.
I've heard it hypothesized that Bombadil might actually be Adam, or whatever version of him would exist in Middle-Earth. Perhaps not merely the first man, but the first of all the folk in Middle-Earth.
The underlying Christian elements woven into LOTR shouldn't be overlooked, after all.
Uh, that doesn't fit with the Silmarillion at all.
And yeah, way more norse elements than anything else.
I can't wait for 13 characters to be reduced to comic relief, it'll be great.
Seriously tho I'm looking forward to this a lot more than LOTR.
Reduced to?
Yes? Like Gimli in LOTR, get it?
Most of them are already comic relief.
Seriously, the NUMBER of them is used for comedic effect, as are their names. There's only that many because it's funny and lets him throw out a bunch of silly names.
And even if she were hot, it's not as if you see her in TT. You just hear her retarded low voice give an incredibly vague summing up of information that Faramir and pal tell you again straight after (or before), but with the added benefit of being an actual scene.
It's bad filmmaking on many levels, drawing you out of immediate events, repeating exposition needlessly, and making you want to rip your own ears off.
And god, people like that stupid glowy thing she does in Fellowship? It's one of the most ridiculous, heavy-handed piece of shit effects I've ever seen.
I've heard it hypothesized that Bombadil might actually be Adam, or whatever version of him would exist in Middle-Earth. Perhaps not merely the first man, but the first of all the folk in Middle-Earth.
The underlying Christian elements woven into LOTR shouldn't be overlooked, after all.
Tolkein said straight out that Gandalf is not Jesus. Tom doesn't really fit Adam's profile...
Anyways, the end credit song should be obvious:
The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.
Today and tomorrow are yet to be said.
The chances, the changes are all yours to make.
The mold of your life is in your hands to break.
The greatest adventure is there if you're bold.
Let go of the moment that life makes you hold.
To measure the meaning can make you delay;
It's time you stop thinking and wasting the day.
The man who's a dreamer and never takes leave
Who thinks of a world that is just make-believe
Will never know passion, will never know pain.
Who sits by the window will one day see rain.
The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.
Today and tomorrow are yet to be said.
The chances, the changes are all yours to make.
The mold of your life is in your hands to break.
And even if she were hot, it's not as if you see her in TT. You just hear her retarded low voice give an incredibly vague summing up of information that Faramir and pal tell you again straight after (or before), but with the added benefit of being an actual scene.
It's bad filmmaking on many levels, drawing you out of immediate events, repeating exposition needlessly, and making you want to rip your own ears off.
And god, people like that stupid glowy thing she does in Fellowship? It's one of the most ridiculous, heavy-handed piece of shit effects I've ever seen.
Fuck Cate Blanchett. She ruined Life Aquatic.
Gonna have to disagree 100% with you on this post.
I've heard it hypothesized that Bombadil might actually be Adam, or whatever version of him would exist in Middle-Earth. Perhaps not merely the first man, but the first of all the folk in Middle-Earth.
The underlying Christian elements woven into LOTR shouldn't be overlooked, after all.
Tolkein said straight out that Gandalf is not Jesus. Tom doesn't really fit Adam's profile...
Anyways, the end credit song should be obvious:
The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.
Today and tomorrow are yet to be said.
The chances, the changes are all yours to make.
The mold of your life is in your hands to break.
The greatest adventure is there if you're bold.
Let go of the moment that life makes you hold.
To measure the meaning can make you delay;
It's time you stop thinking and wasting the day.
The man who's a dreamer and never takes leave
Who thinks of a world that is just make-believe
Will never know passion, will never know pain.
Who sits by the window will one day see rain.
The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.
Today and tomorrow are yet to be said.
The chances, the changes are all yours to make.
The mold of your life is in your hands to break.
Man, "Underlying christian elements in LOTR"? That is like saying the Lion King is an analogy for german nazism, with those dirty long-nosed hyenas forced to live in a boneyard ghetto that then break free thanks to the evil traitor and corrupt the lands and enslave the proud aryan lions...
...oh wait...
...
...So, how about that Tom Bombadil? I hated him for some unknown reason when I first read the books when I was little, but since then I have realised how awesome he is. Was he even in Bilbo?
I've heard it hypothesized that Bombadil might actually be Adam, or whatever version of him would exist in Middle-Earth. Perhaps not merely the first man, but the first of all the folk in Middle-Earth.
The underlying Christian elements woven into LOTR shouldn't be overlooked, after all.
Uh, that doesn't fit with the Silmarillion at all.
And yeah, way more norse elements than anything else.
Yeah, that doesn't work at all with the Sil's creation account.
And yes, there definitely are Christian elements in Tolkien. Intentionally so. They aren't particularly heavy-handed though, and, as mentioned, Tolkien drew from other sources besides.
...So, how about that Tom Bombadil? I hated him for some unknown reason when I first read the books when I was little, but since then I have realised how awesome he is. Was he even in Bilbo?
Something tells me he and Bilbo never engaged in intercourse.
...So, how about that Tom Bombadil? I hated him for some unknown reason when I first read the books when I was little, but since then I have realised how awesome he is. Was he even in Bilbo?
Something tells me he and Bilbo never engaged in intercourse.
...So, how about that Tom Bombadil? I hated him for some unknown reason when I first read the books when I was little, but since then I have realised how awesome he is. Was he even in Bilbo?
Something tells me he and Bilbo never engaged in intercourse.
I beg to differ:
in·ter·course –noun
1. dealings or communication between individuals, groups, countries, etc.
2. interchange of thoughts, feelings, etc.
And even if she were hot, it's not as if you see her in TT. You just hear her retarded low voice give an incredibly vague summing up of information that Faramir and pal tell you again straight after (or before), but with the added benefit of being an actual scene.
It's bad filmmaking on many levels, drawing you out of immediate events, repeating exposition needlessly, and making you want to rip your own ears off.
And god, people like that stupid glowy thing she does in Fellowship? It's one of the most ridiculous, heavy-handed piece of shit effects I've ever seen.
Fuck Cate Blanchett. She ruined Life Aquatic.
Can you point to the doll where Cate Blanchett touched you?
I've heard it hypothesized that Bombadil might actually be Adam, or whatever version of him would exist in Middle-Earth. Perhaps not merely the first man, but the first of all the folk in Middle-Earth.
The underlying Christian elements woven into LOTR shouldn't be overlooked, after all.
Uh, that doesn't fit with the Silmarillion at all.
And yeah, way more norse elements than anything else.
Yeah, that doesn't work at all with the Sil's creation account.
And yes, there definitely are Christian elements in Tolkien. Intentionally so. They aren't particularly heavy-handed though, and, as mentioned, Tolkien drew from other sources besides.
I like how the 'religion' of Middle Earth is Christian and Norse/Greek/poly etc at the same time. From a broad picture, Eru is God and the Valar are archangels and the Maiar are lesser angels/demons...but then when you look at the Valar specifically they follow the Pantheon of gods model.
@Zzulu: Sauron is a Maiar, one of the tough ones, basically an angel/demon sort of thing. He was the right-hand man of Morgoth, a Valar who was basically the Lucifer/Loki/etc of the Pantheon. Hated the world and wanted to own it and/or destroy it kinda thing. Back in the first or second age Morgoth was defeated by the other Valar but Sauron escaped, and eventually set himself up to finish Morgoth's work.
Man, "Underlying christian elements in LOTR"? That is like saying the Lion King is an analogy for german nazism, with those dirty long-nosed hyenas forced to live in a boneyard ghetto that then break free thanks to the evil traitor and corrupt the lands and enslave the proud aryan lions...
...oh wait...
...
...
I always thought that The Lion King was a retelling of Hamlet.
Man, "Underlying christian elements in LOTR"? That is like saying the Lion King is an analogy for german nazism, with those dirty long-nosed hyenas forced to live in a boneyard ghetto that then break free thanks to the evil traitor and corrupt the lands and enslave the proud aryan lions...
...oh wait...
...
...
I always thought that The Lion King was a retelling of Hamlet.
Actually the Hyena/evil lion song was officially based on Hitler's speeches and Nazi marches, so if anything, they'd be the aryan masters.
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All creature will die and all the things will be broken. That's the law of samurai.
I always thought that The Lion King was a retelling of Hamlet.
I always thought that Hamlet was Shakespeare's metaphor for how Hitler usurped control of Germany from rightious men. The poison was a metaphor for Hitler's rhetoric seeping into the body of the German people. Hamlet represented Tom Cruise as Valkyrie and Horatio was Rommel, the Desert Fox.
Ophelia represented the oppressed Jews, homosexuals, and gypsies, and Fortinbras is the Americans coming to save the day! Shakespeare managed to pierce the veil of 340 years and write a scathing send-up of European regional politics and war in the mid-20th century.
By this standard, it's obvious that Lord of the Rings was based on the Bible.
Alternatively, we could look at each work on their own merits.
I always thought that The Lion King was a retelling of Hamlet.
I always thought that Hamlet was Shakespeare's metaphor for how Hitler usurped control of Germany from rightious men. The poison was a metaphor for Hitler's rhetoric seeping into the body of the German people. Hamlet represented Tom Cruise as Valkyrie and Horatio was Rommel, the Desert Fox.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the time line of events go something like
Tolkien didn't like how Lewis simply plonked Santa Claus into Narnia without a thought to the cultural history of the place. Tolkien would write an epic backstory for Santa, if he included him.
I always thought that The Lion King was a retelling of Hamlet.
I always thought that Hamlet was Shakespeare's metaphor for how Hitler usurped control of Germany from rightious men. The poison was a metaphor for Hitler's rhetoric seeping into the body of the German people. Hamlet represented Tom Cruise as Valkyrie and Horatio was Rommel, the Desert Fox.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the time line of events go something like
Tolkien didn't like how Lewis simply plonked Santa Claus into Narnia without a thought to the cultural history of the place. Tolkien would write an epic backstory for Santa, if he included him.
Tolkien was so right about that.
EDIT: In fairness to Lewis I guess it's possible that when he wrote Narnia the concept of a self-contained fantasy universe wasn't as common in literature, and the rules and expectations of the genre weren't quite so well-established. But now that they are (largely thanks to Tolkien) having Santa just show up in your fictional realm seems incredibly lame.
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Well yeah. I always come out of FOTR wanting to see the whole thing, and come out of the other 2 not wanting to see any of them for a long time.
Did you ever know that you're my hero,
and everything I would like to be?
I can fly higher than an eagle,
for you are the wind beneath my wings.
:whistle:
That could be the end credit song for The Hobbit.
The underlying Christian elements woven into LOTR shouldn't be overlooked, after all.
Uh, that doesn't fit with the Silmarillion at all.
And yeah, way more norse elements than anything else.
Seriously tho I'm looking forward to this a lot more than LOTR.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Bombadil#Concept_and_creation
I'm all sorts of excited about The Hobbit, and all sorts of terrified about The Other Movie.
Reduced to?
Yes? Like Gimli in LOTR, get it?
Yeah, but hopefully Thorin can do a couple spit takes and put his helmet on backwards a few times.
Seriously, the NUMBER of them is used for comedic effect, as are their names. There's only that many because it's funny and lets him throw out a bunch of silly names.
No. She looks like an anorexic 14 year old boy.
And even if she were hot, it's not as if you see her in TT. You just hear her retarded low voice give an incredibly vague summing up of information that Faramir and pal tell you again straight after (or before), but with the added benefit of being an actual scene.
It's bad filmmaking on many levels, drawing you out of immediate events, repeating exposition needlessly, and making you want to rip your own ears off.
And god, people like that stupid glowy thing she does in Fellowship? It's one of the most ridiculous, heavy-handed piece of shit effects I've ever seen.
Fuck Cate Blanchett. She ruined Life Aquatic.
Tolkein said straight out that Gandalf is not Jesus. Tom doesn't really fit Adam's profile...
Anyways, the end credit song should be obvious:
Gonna have to disagree 100% with you on this post.
Only if sung by Glen Yarbough
...oh wait...
...
...So, how about that Tom Bombadil? I hated him for some unknown reason when I first read the books when I was little, but since then I have realised how awesome he is. Was he even in Bilbo?
And yes, there definitely are Christian elements in Tolkien. Intentionally so. They aren't particularly heavy-handed though, and, as mentioned, Tolkien drew from other sources besides.
Something tells me he and Bilbo never engaged in intercourse.
Some background on him would be nice
I beg to differ:
Can you point to the doll where Cate Blanchett touched you?
I like how the 'religion' of Middle Earth is Christian and Norse/Greek/poly etc at the same time. From a broad picture, Eru is God and the Valar are archangels and the Maiar are lesser angels/demons...but then when you look at the Valar specifically they follow the Pantheon of gods model.
@Zzulu: Sauron is a Maiar, one of the tough ones, basically an angel/demon sort of thing. He was the right-hand man of Morgoth, a Valar who was basically the Lucifer/Loki/etc of the Pantheon. Hated the world and wanted to own it and/or destroy it kinda thing. Back in the first or second age Morgoth was defeated by the other Valar but Sauron escaped, and eventually set himself up to finish Morgoth's work.
I always thought that The Lion King was a retelling of Hamlet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauron
Everything you could ever want to know, and then some.
Actually the Hyena/evil lion song was officially based on Hitler's speeches and Nazi marches, so if anything, they'd be the aryan masters.
I always thought that Hamlet was Shakespeare's metaphor for how Hitler usurped control of Germany from rightious men. The poison was a metaphor for Hitler's rhetoric seeping into the body of the German people. Hamlet represented Tom Cruise as Valkyrie and Horatio was Rommel, the Desert Fox.
Ophelia represented the oppressed Jews, homosexuals, and gypsies, and Fortinbras is the Americans coming to save the day! Shakespeare managed to pierce the veil of 340 years and write a scathing send-up of European regional politics and war in the mid-20th century.
By this standard, it's obvious that Lord of the Rings was based on the Bible.
Alternatively, we could look at each work on their own merits.
Okay, I'll stop being an ass now.
:winky:
Now that you mention it, Samuel L. Jackson does remind me of the prophet Ezekiel.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the time line of events go something like
Creation -> Shakespeare (Hamlet) -> WW2 (Hitler) -> Lion King?
How is Shakespeare writing about the Hitler that never existed yet?
Unless we're talking about backwards land like Drez here.
Wasn't that his whole beef with CS Lewis? The whole Christian allegory thing?
Did I forget to mention how Shakespeare was a powerful oracle? I don't think I did...
Tolkien was so right about that.
EDIT: In fairness to Lewis I guess it's possible that when he wrote Narnia the concept of a self-contained fantasy universe wasn't as common in literature, and the rules and expectations of the genre weren't quite so well-established. But now that they are (largely thanks to Tolkien) having Santa just show up in your fictional realm seems incredibly lame.