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He's not turning back into a teenager
Well that's good at least. I just wonder how he'll handle it. I hope we don't lose the awesome Hawkeye/Spider-man fight scene dialogue
He's still going to be Spider-Man
Quesada gets killed for raping a bar maid, replace bar maid with spider-man and daredevil seeks justice for us all.
My understanding was that Marvel's print business was basically just advertising for their IP. So yes, the publishing side needs to keep the popularity of its heroes high, create new ones, etc., but Marvel's income from print sales probably pales in comparison to licensing.
So I don't think the publishing side really *needs* to be self-sufficient, if its main purpose is advertising.
No, if this was true the 90s crash would have never happaned.
Woah woah woah woah.
I don't really have an opinion on this argument, but surely you aren't comparing the income of Marvel licenseses in the 90s to the 00s? I mean, we're talking before Spider-Man and X-Men 1. When there was no such thing as a good Marvel superhero movie.
The point I'm trying to make is can people objectivley say they dont see how the company has steadily improved publishing wise with Quesada at the helm?
Thanks to movies and merchandising, which has he has nothing to do with
Take a good hard look at Spider-Man for the last ten years.
In-continuity, the only good things I could find that he's been in have been New Avengers and Marvel Knights: Spider-Man.
If you're frustrated with the direction the book is taking, don't buy it.
Otherwise you're just perpetuating stupid shit. The best thing I can pull from most of your reactions is the sense of surprise.
Also anjin I take it you never read Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man.
It wasn't that great of a title, and near the end you could see David was pretty pissed about how things turned out.
I don't want my neck snapped in half.
At least the roles they've taken on have been more interesting. I like the Winter Soldier version of Bucky, and Jason Todd? As a twisted, jealous anti-Robin who dons the Joker's old persona? I like it, more than if they tried to make the two just sidekicks again. In these examples, it shows more growth and change.
I preferred the Scarlet Spider version of putting the mask genie back in its bottle.
I submit in the way he seems to be dead-set on putting his own personal interests ahead of those of the people reading the books.
Maybe he should leave it to the writers to be creative.
I've actually been happy with most stuff they've done up to this point.
Earlier, Decimation was brought up, but I don't see it as quite the same thing. Yeah, it sort of gets us back to where mutants are a rarity, but there seems to be a more wide-open acknowledgement of what's gone on, and aftereffects and the like.
This... what I've heard is that no one's even going to remember any of what's gone before or what happened here, almost like it never happened, except maybe MJ. Just eliminating the marriage was one thing, but undoing tons of other stuff, from new powers to unmasking to Harry to whatever else? While keeping other stuff?
I don't know, it's all so crazy.
Maybe if we had a clear breakdown about what changes there are and what isn't, things wouldn't seem so bad right now.
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an entire run of Young Justice
shoved down your throat
or up your butt
i'll leave that part up to you
WHICH ONE OF YOU BROUGHT HIM HERE
all that paper
mashing up as it fills your bowels
fills your bowels with THE WONDERFUL ART OF A CERTAIN MR. TODD NAUCK
he's getting the award for worst art this year
wait a second
who's that running to the stage?
oh shit howard chaykin just yanked it out of his hands and ran off!
(i kid. nauck's non-teen characters look really odd to me)
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I loved Ezekiel and the introduction of Morlun. I loved the identity revelation with Aunt May. I loved his relationship with the New Avengers. Theres just too much stuff to name.
And I also agree with whoever said that the unmasking was retconned way too early and that there was alot of story potential thrown out the window.
Oh well. I'll still buy Brand New Day, but dammit it better be fucking great.
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Can we stop this whole "JOE Q SAVED MARVEL" thing?
I think pretty much raping your flagship title in the ass and doing everything in your power to make sure that every big change "tears the internet in half" should at least balance it out.
"SAVED THEM FROM BANKRUPTCY!"
"Attempted to shove them back in the hole by pissing off fans at every turn."
Well, look on the bright-side. Maybe this retcon will undue Captain America's death! But then, of course, once this unpopular retcon is, itself, retconed away, then ole' Steve will be back to pushing daisies.
I think we can agree on a middle ground of "Joe Q should leave it up to the fans to decide what is and is not likable about Spider-man and not just fucking decide HE doesn't like Pete being married so it's done".
Or at least that there are less retarded/hamfisted ways to handle this.
I mean it's not like he hasn't already altered the entire fucking universe by shifting events around.
Because y'know.
Spider-man has never been a big player in the Marvel universe.
Certainly there's no way this would negatively affect other books.
Can't you just read old Spider-Man stories if that's what you want? Like, some of you seem furious about this turn of events. You know Spider-Man isn't some real person that this is happening to, right? I don't really understand the Asperger's-style fascination some people have with 'canon' and 'continuity.'
INCIDENTLY: Quesada (and Jemas) are responsible for maybe the best Marvel period in the last ten years, when Morrison's New X-Men and Milligan and Allred's X-Force/X-Statix were coming out and basically these crazy british creators were just doing whatever they wanted because Marvel was desperate to recover from the crash and bankruptcy.
a) Continuity is important when you're trying to have a character that grows and changes over time. This is one of the cores of good storytelling.
b) It's extremely lazy. It shows that the writer isn't willing to think about the implications of the crazy shit they made up, they just want to be done and move on to the next craziness.
c) It DOES cheapen the things that happen in the story. When you're reading a story, you should get caught up in the things that are happening, you should believe that it's going on, your disbelief suspended. When it all gets retconned/dreamed away, the little part of you that followed along with the story just gets thrown away and discarded. That makes you that much less likely to follow along so closely in the future.
I personally HATE these kind of undos, and if I were reading spidey (which I'm not since I'm not a huge fan of spidey), I would stop reading.
I agree with your statement about finding a less lame way to do it.
But your comment about letting the fans decide reeks of the worst kind of fanboyism. Fans vote with thier dollars. They already have the ultimate power in that regard. It's Quesada job to keep the fans buying, nowadays thats mostly done by telling good stories (as opposed to the 90s method) and he thinks that this will lead to better Spider-Man stories in the future.
Is he right? Obviously you don't agree. I haven't decided yet because we haven't seen those stories.
Maybe I'm reading this wrong but when does it say they are undoing 20 years of comics.
I see 3 changes
1. No marriage
2. Harry is alive
3. web shooters
You forgot:
4. Basically everything done by Spidey creators over the last few years has been nullified.
I kind of disagree with you.
The current medium for superhero adventure stories- the 24-page monthly comic book- is specifically designed around a serial format where essentially the story never ends. Because of this it's natural for a glut of stories of varying quality to accumulate around certain characters, especially after, what, 40 years? These resets and undos sort of need to be there in order to make sense after such a long time, especially if these superhero comics want to attract new readers, which they desperately need to survive. Whether or not making Peter Parker a swinging single is the way to do this, I don't know.
Additionally, I think superhero comics are especially suited to throwing out 'crazy shit ideas without thinking about the implications'. There's a great heritage of inventive pulp adventure that superheros have inherited, and I think that it's maybe their biggest strength. Look at how popular guys like Matt Fraction or Grant Morrison or even Warren Ellis are. Their comics are, more often than not, built around 'mad ideas' and a sort of frantic pulp pace moving the narrative forward. "Look at all these crazy ideas let's move things forward no time to wait and look around something's happening NOW!" Anyway, this has kind of gone off on a tangent. My point is, superhero comics were built on this kind of crazy crap. Give Spider-Man some kind of spider-totem super-powers? Great! Give Batman a 'gritty' make-over and some cyborg armor? Cool! Give Superman electric skin or a rocking mullet? Fantastic!
One of my favorite parts of superhero comics is watching creators just throwing the craziest stuff up against the wall and seeing what sticks. I guess that it helps that I don't have any kind of attachment to a particular company or hero, so watching these Dramatic Retcon Changes doesn't really affect me as much.
Yeah... but they pretty much are. Basically nothing that happened since MJ and Pete got married actually happened the way it did in the book. How did the whole Venom saga go down if he never threatened MJ, and Pete didn't have her to rely on? And that's just the tip of the iceberg.