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So it falls on me to prevent the corruption of our nation's youth in my household and I wanted to know what sort of anti-porn software would work good with Firefox.
Two real-life tricks are also to put the computer in an open space where anyone can come without warning and tracking back temporary files, history or such. Of course, many kids are smart enough to delete this, but if every time your kid used the computer there's no history or cache left, you can bet he had something to hide.
I guess you are asking after filters, which are either too restrictive or crap most of the time. I suggest two options, one simpler than the other.
1) Route your internet through something that can keep logs of domains accessed. Tell the youngster not to do anything naughty, and watch the logs for bad sites. Kick their ass if they visit something naughty. Once they know you can know what they see they should self-police well.
2) Route all your traffic through some sort of custom filter, that blocks all traffic except what you allow. They will need to ask for access to any site they want to visit.
Two real-life tricks are also to put the computer in an open space where anyone can come without warning and tracking back temporary files, history or such. Of course, many kids are smart enough to delete this, but if every time your kid used the computer there's no history or cache left, you can bet he had something to hide.
I would advise something like apotheos' first suggestion, if possible. Every filter has holes (such as peer-to-peer programs and proxies, besides actual sites missed), and once it's found it would only be a matter of going to it and deleting it from the history and cookies. His second suggestion is brutally effective, but also extremely annoying, although I suppose less annoying for you than searching through the logs of hundreds of sites visited.
As for programs, BSafe claims to be number one, so I guess it works well. And it's endorsed by Dave Ramsey! (?)
I'm reluctant to recommend this because of privacy concerns, and the nerdrage over them allowing users to customize DNS requests, but OpenDNS allows for adult site filtering. It's also probably significantly faster than your ISP's DNS, which should give you faster browsing speeds.
Read the privacy policy and google around first before you set your network to use it, just so you're aware of the risk. Personally, I don't think every corporate internet entity is out there to spy on me or sell my web browsing habits to Doubleclick or scammers or terrorists, nor do I really care. But you might.
don't spy on the kids.. Privacy is important. either put the computer in a high traffic area so there are no expectation of privacy or just set your router so it only allows pre-selected sites. and the kid can come to you to unlock the sites he needs to visit.
What OS are you using? Newer ones should have tools to lock down websites, limit usage times, and track stuff.
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Vicious_GSRDudePrincipality of ZeonRegistered Userregular
edited January 2008
Limit the kiddo(s) to a 1/2 hour venture on the net. Sit down, monitor, and share the experence.
Or let them run wild on the net like my folks did with me when I was younger.
I am seriously fine now, I just get arroused by cave entrances and train tunnels every once in a while.
Limit the kiddo(s) to a 1/2 hour venture on the net. Sit down, monitor, and share the experence.
Or let them run wild on the net like my folks did with me when I was younger.
I am seriously fine now, I just get arroused by cave entrances and train tunnels every once in a while.
Are we looking at young children you want to prevent accidentally hitting up a porn site or teens who will intentionally seek them out.
What Im saying is are you looking for a filter to prevent the browser loading porn sites, or a way to track what your children browse.
There are a few url tracker addons for firefox that will dump all the browsed sites to a txt file in a location of your choosing. I cant find a link but a quick google will find one.
Just tell everyone that you blocked the porn sites. If they get on still and get caught, then they figured out a way around it, and if they don't get caught, you get a strange pat on the back.
Oh, and it won't work.
Personal belief:
Why? Sexuality is one of the most basic drives in any human being. Repressing that, or even trying to, is trying to fight their natural desires, and you won't, nay, can't ever win.
Just tell everyone that you blocked the porn sites. If they get on still and get caught, then they figured out a way around it, and if they don't get caught, you get a strange pat on the back.
Oh, and it won't work.
Personal belief:
Why? Sexuality is one of the most basic drives in any human being. Repressing that, or even trying to, is trying to fight their natural desires, and you won't, nay, can't ever win.
You might make 'em gay though. /joke
I don't think an early overdose of hardcore porn is the best way to teach a child about sexuality. Of course I don't think anyone who watches porn is a rapist. I'm not a rapist :P
Just tell everyone that you blocked the porn sites. If they get on still and get caught, then they figured out a way around it, and if they don't get caught, you get a strange pat on the back.
Oh, and it won't work.
Personal belief:
Why? Sexuality is one of the most basic drives in any human being. Repressing that, or even trying to, is trying to fight their natural desires, and you won't, nay, can't ever win.
You might make 'em gay though. /joke
I'd say a high-traffic area like near a TV or dinner table is your best bet.
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MetalbourneInside a cluster b personalityRegistered Userregular
edited January 2008
Here's what you do:
Bust into their room, red faced. Grab him by the scruff of the neck and drag him to the family computer, screaming, "YOU WANNA SEE PORN? YOU WANNA SEE PORN!?!"
Then you scroll through 4chan for a good five minutes, holding him down the entire time, screaming "Look at it! LOOK AT IT! IS THIS WHAT YOU WANTED TO SEE!!!"
He will never look at porn again, and probably start to cry at the mention of the word "porn"
Why? Sexuality is one of the most basic drives in any human being. Repressing that, or even trying to, is trying to fight their natural desires, and you won't, nay, can't ever win.
Srsly. If you need any proof of this, just go look at what a failure 'abstinence-only' sex education programs have been.
Don't just try to suppress. Teach and introduce. I'm not suggesting "give them a stack of playboys" or even that you're "ok you visiting porn sites" --- but build an agreement based on trust and education, don't do it the other way of just assuming they're going to get into it themselves, and preemptively block it. All software based solutions can and will be defeated, and all that does is lose you respect, as they then think "oh, haha, dad tried to block me from seeing porn, but I got past it. I have one up over him.".
That said, the best way to do this with the least negative impact? The computer-in-a-well-frequented-public-place option. Trust me, it works. They're not going to go porn it up when the computer is in the family room or kitchen. It's just not going to happen.
But make sure if you do this, they're really well educated in safe sex. Otherwise, you're going to end up with one of two things, either:
A) A pregnant girlfriend OR A total freak (the bad kind of freak, not the hot kind) when it comes to sex, later in life
Bust into their room, red faced. Grab him by the scruff of the neck and drag him to the family computer, screaming, "YOU WANNA SEE PORN? YOU WANNA SEE PORN!?!"
Then you scroll through 4chan for a good five minutes, holding him down the entire time, screaming "Look at it! LOOK AT IT! IS THIS WHAT YOU WANTED TO SEE!!!"
He will never look at porn again, and probably start to cry at the mention of the word "porn"
Two real-life tricks are also to put the computer in an open space where anyone can come without warning and tracking back temporary files, history or such. Of course, many kids are smart enough to delete this, but if every time your kid used the computer there's no history or cache left, you can bet he had something to hide.
The smarter ones learn to delete all the porn sites manually, and leave everything else. You'd get roped into trying to figure out if there was 'missing time' and whatnot, so checking history is definitely far from foolproof.
I spent many an hour of my high school days manually tracking down and deleting files. Meticulous and efficient.
It was a hell of a day when I searched through the various config files and found the password to the dial-up. Of course, that was on the computer in my room at the time. Had I been restricted to a family/public computer, I would have been sunk.
Bust into their room, red faced. Grab him by the scruff of the neck and drag him to the family computer, screaming, "YOU WANNA SEE PORN? YOU WANNA SEE PORN!?!"
Then you scroll through 4chan for a good five minutes, holding him down the entire time, screaming "Look at it! LOOK AT IT! IS THIS WHAT YOU WANTED TO SEE!!!"
He will never look at porn again, and probably start to cry at the mention of the word "porn"
Really depends on which board you go too. I, personally, have found some good porn on the animated gif board.
Two real-life tricks are also to put the computer in an open space where anyone can come without warning and tracking back temporary files, history or such. Of course, many kids are smart enough to delete this, but if every time your kid used the computer there's no history or cache left, you can bet he had something to hide.
The smart ones just delete all the porn sites manually, and leave everything else.
Also, if they're smart kids they probably clear the cache frequently as it improves browser performance. So be careful not to accuse your kid of looking at porn just because he's tech savvy.
As for the problem at hand, I'd probably go with apotheos's option one.
Option two, while effective, is more trouble than it's worth. If you block every site except the sites you specify it'd be a very boring internet. You'd limit yourself to a very small part of the internet and you'd be restricting your kids from harmless sites as well as the harmful ones. If you were to go the opposite direction and try block all porn sites it'd be impossible; there's just too may of them to block.
Really depends on which board you go too. I, personally, have found some good porn on the animated gif board.
I think he was talking about /b/ which can be downright disturbing at times.
Nothing disturbs me anymore.
Oh, most definitely. Between the dick-girls, man trains, and everything else, that shit can scar you for life or make you desensitized to everything.
Rules 1 and 2 of the internet guys.
That said, I can't emphasize strongly enough how bad of an idea 4chan sensory immersion would be.
Tread lightly and only whisper the name. 4chan's the only site on the internet where the userbase actually scares me shitless. The stuff the do for fun is just mindblowing; for example, tracking down girls who've posted nude pictures and sending them to their head teachers and parents. It's the reason why I won't post personal information anywhere.
Also, that quote tree got mighty fucked up. I didn't say what it's quoting.
Story about me: I grew up with a "no sex until marriage" household and I'm proud to say I stuck to it. I'm happily married and not a "freak" who didn't know anything or doesn't know anything about sex. The key is to parents teaching and introducing it properly and at the right time and being active in their kids lives so they can trust their parents with talking about it.
Unfortunately, I fell into the trap of getting "addicted" to porn in my high-school and college years. It was the worst when I got my own laptop and a computer in my room. I think my dad found out and tried to use NetNanny or some other program but I'm pretty tech savvy and always worked my way around them. He never really talked to me about it though, and I think that really hurt his and my chances to avoid it and have trust with it. I personally think that porn has been one of the greatest downfalls of my life, and I hate that I got stuck in it.
Advice:
1: Computer in a common location. Do not put computers in the bedroom as it's just too easy and I think it's just not a good idea anyway as kids will easily get caught up and spend forever on them. Also it makes "sending them to their room" kinda worthless as they can just get online.
2: Talk to them. Let them know you are monitoring them and let them know that you think it's inappropriate to look at porn on the computer. Be open about talking about sex and porn with them. If you do not provide them with information and/or answers to the questions they have, they will search them out. If you do not let them know that you are willing to answer their questions, they won't ask.
3: Get a good filtering program. Safe-Eyes is expensive ($50/year/3 computers) but it's also one of the most full-featured programs I've seen out there for it. It will log IMs, browsing, social networking sites, block programs, put time restrictions on programs (games), internet, or just the computer in general, and will give instant notification (e-mail or possibly something else too) if someone tries to go to a restricted site. Part of the reason for the price is it's a subscription program where as new sites are found and/or new methods of detecting sites, they will provide updates, kinda like an antivirus software.
Do I think you should toss some playboys at someone to make them "mature" about sexuality? No. I think that's absolutely garbage and a bad idea. However, I think parents need to be honest and open about sexuality and the fact that yes, it's human to be attracted sexually to opposite sex and there's really nothing we can do about it other than exhibit some self-control. Abstinence only can work, it does work, and it's really up to the parents and kids to try. If that's where you guys are trying to go with blocking porn, I wish you the best of luck.
There might be some legitimate cases for blocking porn.
Example, what if your kid has a wicked fetish for torture porn? That can't be good for the development of a normal human being.
Blocking the porn sites isn't going to do much at all, he's still going to have the fetish.
To the OP: How old are the people you plan on restricting? If it's 13+, there's really no real use or purpose. It's really perfectly normal to browse porn as long as they aren't say, completely addicted to it and do that all the time instead of work.
I grew up in a very lax household, my earliest access to porn was somewhere around age 12. Browsed random porn sites on the internet and really, it didn't hurt me at all. If anything, it taught me to be more careful with my computer (as porn sites often carry very, very nasty viruses) and taught me more about safe sex than my school ever has.
Just talk to your kids about sex and how it's perfectly normal.
If you absolutely must stop them from watching porn, put the computer in an open area as people have said before. Check the logs every now and then, browse the windows or documents folder if possible (as those are popular places for hidden porn folders) and you'll be good. Never rely on those porn-blocking software, as there are bound to be a few hidden sites or workarounds.
There might be some legitimate cases for blocking porn.
Example, what if your kid has a wicked fetish for torture porn? That can't be good for the development of a normal human being.
Blocking the porn sites isn't going to do much at all, he's still going to have the fetish.
But at least it's not being fed and growing. Because exposed to more and harder versions of it will only make it worse and worse.
But that's off-topic, really, since Royce isn't coming here for our opinions on his kids and porn.
Well, my parents checked history and once installed some sort of net nanny and also coming from a good christian family they put the pc in the living room where everyone could see what you were doing...
Even after all that, and also a stern talking to about porn, I was still a porn fiend from the age of 11 or 12, it was a little different though because it was gay porn, but still, theres no keeping kids away from that stuff.
I'm 23 now, and looking back, I'm glad I was exposed to porn at an early age, it helped me figure out a lot of things.
There are always ways to access porn, hell I sometimes did it on library pc's. I guess what I really wanted to say was it's pretty futile to try but you probably should because it will make your kids better pc users trying to get around these types of things.
I'm going to throw this out there. You can use PeerGuardian2 and set it to auto start hidden with the porn list and block HTTP. I've done this for a few people, it works well and it blocks everything on the computer.
The only other lists to use with PeerGuardian are p2p, ads, & Spyware. The government list is already included in p2p.
Put the computer right in front of a HUGE religious image (if Christian, for example, a giant Jesus on the Cross) so that the kid can't look at the computer without seeing their deity. No child can look at porn with their god staring at them.
If you do the "in an open place", make sure it is VERY open. Right now I am looking up porn because the computer, while in an open room, is fairly blocked from everyone.
Also, don't get them an iPod video/Zune/MP3 player that can play movies. Just makes the porn more convenient to look at.
Yeah, MOST people wouldn't look at porn with their mother looking at them... unless that is what turns them on. But that's a problem of a different sort.
Put the computer right in front of a HUGE religious image (if Christian, for example, a giant Jesus on the Cross) so that the kid can't look at the computer without seeing their deity. No child can look at porn with their god staring at them.
Alternately, a picture of his mother would work.
Religion to stop pornography? If they wanna look at porn, they won't care about their god :P
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RoshinMy backlog can be seen from spaceSwedenRegistered Userregular
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Secondly, most of them work by routing everything through a proxy server on your own machine, so it should work with whatever.
I guess you are asking after filters, which are either too restrictive or crap most of the time. I suggest two options, one simpler than the other.
1) Route your internet through something that can keep logs of domains accessed. Tell the youngster not to do anything naughty, and watch the logs for bad sites. Kick their ass if they visit something naughty. Once they know you can know what they see they should self-police well.
2) Route all your traffic through some sort of custom filter, that blocks all traffic except what you allow. They will need to ask for access to any site they want to visit.
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Yes on the computer out in the open.
As for programs, BSafe claims to be number one, so I guess it works well. And it's endorsed by Dave Ramsey! (?)
Read the privacy policy and google around first before you set your network to use it, just so you're aware of the risk. Personally, I don't think every corporate internet entity is out there to spy on me or sell my web browsing habits to Doubleclick or scammers or terrorists, nor do I really care. But you might.
PSN: super_emu
Xbox360 Gamertag: Emuchop
Or let them run wild on the net like my folks did with me when I was younger.
I am seriously fine now, I just get arroused by cave entrances and train tunnels every once in a while.
So, you...watched a lot of Hitchcock as a child?
What Im saying is are you looking for a filter to prevent the browser loading porn sites, or a way to track what your children browse.
There are a few url tracker addons for firefox that will dump all the browsed sites to a txt file in a location of your choosing. I cant find a link but a quick google will find one.
Oh, and it won't work.
Personal belief:
Why? Sexuality is one of the most basic drives in any human being. Repressing that, or even trying to, is trying to fight their natural desires, and you won't, nay, can't ever win.
You might make 'em gay though. /joke
I don't think an early overdose of hardcore porn is the best way to teach a child about sexuality. Of course I don't think anyone who watches porn is a rapist. I'm not a rapist :P
I'd say a high-traffic area like near a TV or dinner table is your best bet.
Bust into their room, red faced. Grab him by the scruff of the neck and drag him to the family computer, screaming, "YOU WANNA SEE PORN? YOU WANNA SEE PORN!?!"
Then you scroll through 4chan for a good five minutes, holding him down the entire time, screaming "Look at it! LOOK AT IT! IS THIS WHAT YOU WANTED TO SEE!!!"
He will never look at porn again, and probably start to cry at the mention of the word "porn"
Srsly. If you need any proof of this, just go look at what a failure 'abstinence-only' sex education programs have been.
Don't just try to suppress. Teach and introduce. I'm not suggesting "give them a stack of playboys" or even that you're "ok you visiting porn sites" --- but build an agreement based on trust and education, don't do it the other way of just assuming they're going to get into it themselves, and preemptively block it. All software based solutions can and will be defeated, and all that does is lose you respect, as they then think "oh, haha, dad tried to block me from seeing porn, but I got past it. I have one up over him.".
That said, the best way to do this with the least negative impact? The computer-in-a-well-frequented-public-place option. Trust me, it works. They're not going to go porn it up when the computer is in the family room or kitchen. It's just not going to happen.
But make sure if you do this, they're really well educated in safe sex. Otherwise, you're going to end up with one of two things, either:
A) A pregnant girlfriend OR
A total freak (the bad kind of freak, not the hot kind) when it comes to sex, later in life
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ALL ABOARD THE MANTRAIN, WOO WOO!1
I'M A TWITTER SHITTER
The smarter ones learn to delete all the porn sites manually, and leave everything else. You'd get roped into trying to figure out if there was 'missing time' and whatnot, so checking history is definitely far from foolproof.
It was a hell of a day when I searched through the various config files and found the password to the dial-up. Of course, that was on the computer in my room at the time. Had I been restricted to a family/public computer, I would have been sunk.
I wish you the best of luck in your quest.
As for the problem at hand, I'd probably go with apotheos's option one.
Option two, while effective, is more trouble than it's worth. If you block every site except the sites you specify it'd be a very boring internet. You'd limit yourself to a very small part of the internet and you'd be restricting your kids from harmless sites as well as the harmful ones. If you were to go the opposite direction and try block all porn sites it'd be impossible; there's just too may of them to block.
I think he was talking about /b/ which can be downright disturbing at times.
PSN = Wicker86 ________ Gamertag = Wicker86
No late night online gaming sessions for me back then. :P
Edit: Not the actual cable to the monitor, just the internet cable.
PSN = Wicker86 ________ Gamertag = Wicker86
Also, run the internet through a router and check the logs. Just be sure not to let your kid know the user/pass.
Also, that quote tree got mighty fucked up. I didn't say what it's quoting.
PSN = Wicker86 ________ Gamertag = Wicker86
Unfortunately, I fell into the trap of getting "addicted" to porn in my high-school and college years. It was the worst when I got my own laptop and a computer in my room. I think my dad found out and tried to use NetNanny or some other program but I'm pretty tech savvy and always worked my way around them. He never really talked to me about it though, and I think that really hurt his and my chances to avoid it and have trust with it. I personally think that porn has been one of the greatest downfalls of my life, and I hate that I got stuck in it.
Advice:
Do I think you should toss some playboys at someone to make them "mature" about sexuality? No. I think that's absolutely garbage and a bad idea. However, I think parents need to be honest and open about sexuality and the fact that yes, it's human to be attracted sexually to opposite sex and there's really nothing we can do about it other than exhibit some self-control. Abstinence only can work, it does work, and it's really up to the parents and kids to try. If that's where you guys are trying to go with blocking porn, I wish you the best of luck.
Example, what if your kid has a wicked fetish for torture porn? That can't be good for the development of a normal human being.
Blocking the porn sites isn't going to do much at all, he's still going to have the fetish.
To the OP: How old are the people you plan on restricting? If it's 13+, there's really no real use or purpose. It's really perfectly normal to browse porn as long as they aren't say, completely addicted to it and do that all the time instead of work.
I grew up in a very lax household, my earliest access to porn was somewhere around age 12. Browsed random porn sites on the internet and really, it didn't hurt me at all. If anything, it taught me to be more careful with my computer (as porn sites often carry very, very nasty viruses) and taught me more about safe sex than my school ever has.
Just talk to your kids about sex and how it's perfectly normal.
If you absolutely must stop them from watching porn, put the computer in an open area as people have said before. Check the logs every now and then, browse the windows or documents folder if possible (as those are popular places for hidden porn folders) and you'll be good. Never rely on those porn-blocking software, as there are bound to be a few hidden sites or workarounds.
But that's off-topic, really, since Royce isn't coming here for our opinions on his kids and porn.
Even after all that, and also a stern talking to about porn, I was still a porn fiend from the age of 11 or 12, it was a little different though because it was gay porn, but still, theres no keeping kids away from that stuff.
I'm 23 now, and looking back, I'm glad I was exposed to porn at an early age, it helped me figure out a lot of things.
There are always ways to access porn, hell I sometimes did it on library pc's. I guess what I really wanted to say was it's pretty futile to try but you probably should because it will make your kids better pc users trying to get around these types of things.
The only other lists to use with PeerGuardian are p2p, ads, & Spyware. The government list is already included in p2p.
http://phoenixlabs.org/pg2/
Alternately, a picture of his mother would work.
Also, don't get them an iPod video/Zune/MP3 player that can play movies. Just makes the porn more convenient to look at.
Religion to stop pornography? If they wanna look at porn, they won't care about their god :P
You are sitting in a leaking, rickety little boat alone on a raging sea of pr0n, but the above is solid advice.