Bigger one is doubtful, a price drop... maybe. Hard to say.
Why is a bigger one doubtful if I may ask? And just theorizing and such, what kind of price drop might we look at, what's fair to guess? 50 bucks, 100 bucks tops?
Bigger one is doubtful, a price drop... maybe. Hard to say.
Why is a bigger one doubtful if I may ask? And just theorizing and such, what kind of price drop might we look at, what's fair to guess? 50 bucks, 100 bucks tops?
So any comments on that?
I think the previous capacity jumps were foreshadowed by Samsung making a larger capacity chip. I think the iPhone uses a single 16GB and the iTouch uses 2 x 16GB. As far as I'm aware, Samsung is not currently manufacturing huge quantities of 32GB chips, which would be required for all the iPhones being made.
Although with the 3G iPhone essentially confirmed to be coming out in the next month or two, I wouldn't put it past Apple to figure something out.
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Bigger one is doubtful, a price drop... maybe. Hard to say.
Why is a bigger one doubtful if I may ask? And just theorizing and such, what kind of price drop might we look at, what's fair to guess? 50 bucks, 100 bucks tops?
I think the previous capacity jumps were foreshadowed by Samsung making a larger capacity chip. I think the iPhone uses a single 16GB and the iTouch uses 2 x 16GB. As far as I'm aware, Samsung is not currently manufacturing huge quantities of 32GB chips, which would be required for all the iPhones being made.
Bigger one is doubtful, a price drop... maybe. Hard to say.
Why is a bigger one doubtful if I may ask? And just theorizing and such, what kind of price drop might we look at, what's fair to guess? 50 bucks, 100 bucks tops?
I think the previous capacity jumps were foreshadowed by Samsung making a larger capacity chip. I think the iPhone uses a single 16GB and the iTouch uses 2 x 16GB. As far as I'm aware, Samsung is not currently manufacturing huge quantities of 32GB chips, which would be required for all the iPhones being made.
So Samsung is not releaing a larger capacity chip any time soon? Then I guess I can just look forward to a price drop instead. So why is the iTouch flash instead of HDD like the other non nano iPods?
You'd have to ask apple that, but probably because it and the iPhone are essentially the same hardware platform, and Apple really did not want to make the iPhone a HDD based device (moving parts, magnetic fields, less reliability, etc, etc).
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You'd have to ask apple that, but probably because it and the iPhone are essentially the same hardware platform, and Apple really did not want to make the iPhone a HDD based device (moving parts, magnetic fields, less reliability, etc, etc).
You'd have to ask apple that, but probably because it and the iPhone are essentially the same hardware platform, and Apple really did not want to make the iPhone a HDD based device (moving parts, magnetic fields, less reliability, etc, etc).
Makes sense.
Plus an iTouch with a large hard drive would remove the market for the iPod Classic.
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You'd have to ask apple that, but probably because it and the iPhone are essentially the same hardware platform, and Apple really did not want to make the iPhone a HDD based device (moving parts, magnetic fields, less reliability, etc, etc).
Makes sense.
Plus an iTouch with a large hard drive would remove the market for the iPod Classic.
Well DUH! Though the classic could ALWAYS just be a cheep alternative with the iTouch being re-purposed as their headliner product.
You'd have to ask apple that, but probably because it and the iPhone are essentially the same hardware platform, and Apple really did not want to make the iPhone a HDD based device (moving parts, magnetic fields, less reliability, etc, etc).
Makes sense.
Plus an iTouch with a large hard drive would remove the market for the iPod Classic.
Well DUH! Though the classic could ALWAYS just be a cheep alternative with the iTouch being re-purposed as their headliner product.
No need to be pissy about it. No doubt, a large capacity iPod touch would certainly encroach on some iPod classic sales. The actual amount is known only to Apple's marketing folks, so it's pointless to conjecture about it.
You'd have to ask apple that, but probably because it and the iPhone are essentially the same hardware platform, and Apple really did not want to make the iPhone a HDD based device (moving parts, magnetic fields, less reliability, etc, etc).
Makes sense.
Plus an iTouch with a large hard drive would remove the market for the iPod Classic.
Well DUH! Though the classic could ALWAYS just be a cheep alternative with the iTouch being re-purposed as their headliner product.
No need to be pissy about it. No doubt, a large capacity iPod touch would certainly encroach on some iPod classic sales. The actual amount is known only to Apple's marketing folks, so it's pointless to conjecture about it.
Relax I was only being frisky not pissy, anyway if Apple sales both products would it really be such a huge deal to lose sales on one product for another?
You'd have to ask apple that, but probably because it and the iPhone are essentially the same hardware platform, and Apple really did not want to make the iPhone a HDD based device (moving parts, magnetic fields, less reliability, etc, etc).
Makes sense.
Plus an iTouch with a large hard drive would remove the market for the iPod Classic.
Well DUH! Though the classic could ALWAYS just be a cheep alternative with the iTouch being re-purposed as their headliner product.
No need to be pissy about it. No doubt, a large capacity iPod touch would certainly encroach on some iPod classic sales. The actual amount is known only to Apple's marketing folks, so it's pointless to conjecture about it.
Relax I was only being frisky not pissy, anyway if Apple sales both products would it really be such a huge deal to lose sales on one product for another?
When the iPod touch came out, there was much discussion about if it would cannibalize iPhone sales or not. The existence of a product line and promotion of it is a huge deal to a stockholder. If I can get a 160GB (or whatever) iPod classic OR a 160GB iPod touch, and Apple is blowing money marketing both, I'd be a little upset as a stockholder.
To the consumer it may not be a big deal. Look at it from a stockholder's standpoint and almost every situation changes.
You'd have to ask apple that, but probably because it and the iPhone are essentially the same hardware platform, and Apple really did not want to make the iPhone a HDD based device (moving parts, magnetic fields, less reliability, etc, etc).
Makes sense.
Plus an iTouch with a large hard drive would remove the market for the iPod Classic.
Well DUH! Though the classic could ALWAYS just be a cheep alternative with the iTouch being re-purposed as their headliner product.
No need to be pissy about it. No doubt, a large capacity iPod touch would certainly encroach on some iPod classic sales. The actual amount is known only to Apple's marketing folks, so it's pointless to conjecture about it.
Relax I was only being frisky not pissy, anyway if Apple sales both products would it really be such a huge deal to lose sales on one product for another?
When the iPod touch came out, there was much discussion about if it would cannibalize iPhone sales or not. The existence of a product line and promotion of it is a huge deal to a stockholder. If I can get a 160GB (or whatever) iPod classic OR a 160GB iPod touch, and Apple is blowing money marketing both, I'd be a little upset as a stockholder.
To the consumer it may not be a big deal. Look at it from a stockholder's standpoint and almost every situation changes.
Yeah but if Apple markets the more expensive item as the main item and the cheaper one as the more economical alternative doesn't that potentially make more money and make everybody happy? I mean stockholders have stock in Apple not iPod Classic or iPod Touch right?
When the iPod touch came out, there was much discussion about if it would cannibalize iPhone sales or not. The existence of a product line and promotion of it is a huge deal to a stockholder. If I can get a 160GB (or whatever) iPod classic OR a 160GB iPod touch, and Apple is blowing money marketing both, I'd be a little upset as a stockholder.
To the consumer it may not be a big deal. Look at it from a stockholder's standpoint and almost every situation changes.
Yeah but if Apple markets the more expensive item as the main item and the cheaper one as the more economical alternative doesn't that potentially make more money and make everybody happy? I mean stockholders have stock in Apple not iPod Classic or iPod Touch right?
They have stock in Apple and not the products, yes. However Apple doesn't tend to market one thing as economical and the other as expensive (name the last Mac Mini ad you saw. I'll wait). They have products that fit a certain niche extremely well (if someone needs the processor power and graphics of a MacBook Pro, they probably aren't going to even glance at the MacBook).
Is there such a thing as a windows ipod touch manager?
I've been googling and so far i've had no luck, I just installed itunes on my windows machine and was reminded of just how goddamn awful the windows version is.
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I have jailbreaked it, I used ijailbreak on my macbook.
So far, all i've done is used Summerboard to add a background image and installed a text editor.
How would I be able to sync up music/video on my touch with a third party ipod manager?
The only way I can think of is using openssh and transferring stuff via sftp. Which is a bit of a roundabout way.
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Winamp no, I hadn't considered foobar. I'll give it a go now.
If memory serves because the iphone/ipod touch is running a heavilly modified OSX the filing system is hfs (or some variant of it), so they'd probably have to add the ability to read hfs drives. (to the ipod managers)
EDIT:
According to here ipod support for the iphone/touch requires itunes to be installed. Which defeats the point.
Suppose I could give it a go, disable all those damn services that Apple likes installing and background programs.
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The_SpaniardIt's never lupinesIrvine, CaliforniaRegistered Userregular
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Macworld is next month right? I think I'll just wait till then to see what they announce.
Winamp no, I hadn't considered foobar. I'll give it a go now.
If memory serves because the iphone/ipod touch is running a heavilly modified OSX the filing system is hfs (or some variant of it), so they'd probably have to add the ability to read hfs drives. (to the ipod managers)
EDIT:
According to here ipod support for the iphone/touch requires itunes to be installed. Which defeats the point.
Suppose I could give it a go, disable all those damn services that Apple likes installing and background programs.
That foo-bar implementation doesn't look too bad actually. It says you need to have iTunes installed because there is a service that facilitates communication between the device and your pc software, so don't disable that service.
Winamp no, I hadn't considered foobar. I'll give it a go now.
If memory serves because the iphone/ipod touch is running a heavilly modified OSX the filing system is hfs (or some variant of it), so they'd probably have to add the ability to read hfs drives. (to the ipod managers)
EDIT:
According to here ipod support for the iphone/touch requires itunes to be installed. Which defeats the point.
Suppose I could give it a go, disable all those damn services that Apple likes installing and background programs.
Unfortunately the ipod touch uses another standard for file syncing. Apparently you have to install iTunes in order to use the Apple mobile device driver in Windows.
Even in Linux (Ubuntu) I had to use a detour in order to playback music from my iPod touch.
I installed ssh on the iPod and the iPod convenience packet in Linux. Through SSH and Fuse the iPod is mounted (wireless) in the filesystem. Amarok can then access the device - the iPod control folder appears to be similar to the other other iPod models.
A few questions regarding the other models (classic and nano): Do these iPods appear as regular removeable devices after connecting them?
So I'm getting pretty irritated.
First jailbreak I tried was Ziphone- pretty good- but gives no hope of browsing the file structure from windows. The only way to upload stuff via cable was: zip an .app in cygwin and run it as a "plugin" in ziphone. I tried the ibrickr fix to allow me to just copy stuff (with iphonebrowser) but it didn't work, anybody got some experience with it?
Then I restored and tried iLiberty+- well, this is nice, I get to browse the ipod with no problems BUT none of the apps I upload work- they freeze upon startup and I'm back at the home screen after a moment.
So I'm getting pretty irritated.
First jailbreak I tried was Ziphone- pretty good- but gives no hope of browsing the file structure from windows. The only way to upload stuff via cable was: zip an .app in cygwin and run it as a "plugin" in ziphone. I tried the ibrickr fix to allow me to just copy stuff (with iphonebrowser) but it didn't work, anybody got some experience with it?
Then I restored and tried iLiberty+- well, this is nice, I get to browse the ipod with no problems BUT none of the apps I upload work- they freeze upon startup and I'm back at the home screen after a moment.
Can anybody help me in any way?
What I did was run ijailbreak and then install anything I liked via one of the repositories. Does Ziphone add Installer etc?
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So I'm getting pretty irritated.
First jailbreak I tried was Ziphone- pretty good- but gives no hope of browsing the file structure from windows. The only way to upload stuff via cable was: zip an .app in cygwin and run it as a "plugin" in ziphone. I tried the ibrickr fix to allow me to just copy stuff (with iphonebrowser) but it didn't work, anybody got some experience with it?
Then I restored and tried iLiberty+- well, this is nice, I get to browse the ipod with no problems BUT none of the apps I upload work- they freeze upon startup and I'm back at the home screen after a moment.
Can anybody help me in any way?
iJailbreak was a one-click, everything-is-done solution for me.
So I'm getting pretty irritated.
First jailbreak I tried was Ziphone- pretty good- but gives no hope of browsing the file structure from windows. The only way to upload stuff via cable was: zip an .app in cygwin and run it as a "plugin" in ziphone. I tried the ibrickr fix to allow me to just copy stuff (with iphonebrowser) but it didn't work, anybody got some experience with it?
Then I restored and tried iLiberty+- well, this is nice, I get to browse the ipod with no problems BUT none of the apps I upload work- they freeze upon startup and I'm back at the home screen after a moment.
Can anybody help me in any way?
I use WinSCP to browse my phone's file structure from windows. Do you have wifi?
Edit: Also, your crashing apps probably rely on BSD Subsystem. Install that.
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The_SpaniardIt's never lupinesIrvine, CaliforniaRegistered Userregular
edited April 2008
After MacWorld depending on what they announce I think I'll be spending my economic stimulus check on a iTouch.
so, would now be a bad time to get a nano? I'd be buying a refurb one (i know apple refurbs rock) and getting a free 15 buck itunes card. What I'm more worried about is apple upgrading the capacity in the next short while. 8 gb is nice but something like 16 would be awesome. Its part of the reason i want a touch, just to have 16 gigs in flash.
so, would now be a bad time to get a nano? I'd be buying a refurb one (i know apple refurbs rock) and getting a free 15 buck itunes card. What I'm more worried about is apple upgrading the capacity in the next short while. 8 gb is nice but something like 16 would be awesome. Its part of the reason i want a touch, just to have 16 gigs in flash.
Apple has been able to shove 16GB in for a while. In my non-professional opinion, I'd say don't bother waiting. Grab a refurb.
The_SpaniardIt's never lupinesIrvine, CaliforniaRegistered Userregular
edited April 2008
So I was hearing about the new cellphones coming out next year with projectors built in (KICK ASS!), think there is a chance if I wait a year or two and get a cheep MP3 player in the mean time we'll see that built into the touch?
So has anyone's flash memory on the current gen Nano crapped out on them? I know that Flash memory only has a limited life span to it and I'm worried that my iPod is starting to show the early signs on this. Just wondering what the symptoms are.
So I was hearing about the new cellphones coming out next year with projectors built in (KICK ASS!), think there is a chance if I wait a year or two and get a cheep MP3 player in the mean time we'll see that built into the touch?
Don't hold your breath for this one in an Apple phone any time soon. Certainly don't use it to inform your purchase decisions within the next couple years.
So has anyone's flash memory on the current gen Nano crapped out on them? I know that Flash memory only has a limited life span to it and I'm worried that my iPod is starting to show the early signs on this. Just wondering what the symptoms are.
I got my girlfriend a launch 'chubby' Nano and it's running fine. Of course I'm the only one that ever exchanges music on it, and it's probably been connected to that computer all of ten times.
So has anyone's flash memory on the current gen Nano crapped out on them? I know that Flash memory only has a limited life span to it and I'm worried that my iPod is starting to show the early signs on this. Just wondering what the symptoms are.
I got my girlfriend a launch 'chubby' Nano and it's running fine. Of course I'm the only one that ever exchanges music on it, and it's probably been connected to that computer all of ten times.
Ah see I use mine as a podcast player. And I move easily about 5gigs around on it every week. I wish they made a small nano w/o flash memory.
So has anyone's flash memory on the current gen Nano crapped out on them? I know that Flash memory only has a limited life span to it and I'm worried that my iPod is starting to show the early signs on this. Just wondering what the symptoms are.
I got my girlfriend a launch 'chubby' Nano and it's running fine. Of course I'm the only one that ever exchanges music on it, and it's probably been connected to that computer all of ten times.
Ah see I use mine as a podcast player. And I move easily about 5gigs around on it every week. I wish they made a small nano w/o flash memory.
Well for reference I also have a launch 16TB iPod touch that gets tons of data thrown around on it weekly and I'm not having this problem.
I recently bought an iPod touch 8GB version and I love it. While I have a pretty sizable music library, I don't think it's necessary to have it all on my pod. I move songs over as needed and I'm a big podcast nerd so it works really well. I also have a few shows I watch only through my touchpod and it's awesome for that, what with the screen being blindingly bright and huge.
Also, I have to say that I absolutely love the thing. I'm sure I'm weird, but I use for freaking everything. I use the notes, I use the little calendar organizer extensively and obviously Safari.
If you have some money you're really looking forward to dedicate to a kick ass music player that happens to have tons of other organizer style uses, I would suggest an iPod touch or iPhone.
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Query: The summer is coming up and I'm ditching my car for my bike. With my tax rebate being decent enough, I've decided to finally get a music player beyond a CD player. I was considering an Ipod, but if I get that do I have to convert all my music files to Itunes or what not? I have 30 gigs of music on my computer and not enough space to convert all of it to Itunes.
Basically I'm looking for something that can hold about 50 or more gigs, is fairly durable (stuff tends to fall a lot when I'm around) decent battery life, and reasonably priced. I don't really care about bells and whistles, I just want it to be reliable.
Query: The summer is coming up and I'm ditching my car for my bike. With my tax rebate being decent enough, I've decided to finally get a music player beyond a CD player. I was considering an Ipod, but if I get that do I have to convert all my music files to Itunes or what not? I have 30 gigs of music on my computer and not enough space to convert all of it to Itunes.
Basically I'm looking for something that can hold about 50 or more gigs, is fairly durable (stuff tends to fall a lot when I'm around) decent battery life, and reasonably priced. I don't really care about bells and whistles, I just want it to be reliable.
Any suggestions?
If they're already mp3s, there's no conversion necessary. Just add them to an iTunes library (which won't copy or duplicate them if you tell it not to) and add them to your iPod.
For most people using their iPod for fitness purposes, I'd suggest going with a Nano, but that won't have enough space to hold your entire collection. If you want something that will hold your whole collection, your only option is the Classic, which has a HDD.
Edit: as far as reliable goes, my 40GB 4th Gen iPod is still ticking, although its battery doesn't last like it used to. I've knocked it around quite a bit. Now for working out thought I use a Nano (mine's really beaten up, no worries since it's all flash memory) and an iPod Touch (for when I'm on the bike or treadmill and want to watch some TV.
I'm sure another poster can discuss your non-iPod options.
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I think the previous capacity jumps were foreshadowed by Samsung making a larger capacity chip. I think the iPhone uses a single 16GB and the iTouch uses 2 x 16GB. As far as I'm aware, Samsung is not currently manufacturing huge quantities of 32GB chips, which would be required for all the iPhones being made.
Although with the 3G iPhone essentially confirmed to be coming out in the next month or two, I wouldn't put it past Apple to figure something out.
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Plus an iTouch with a large hard drive would remove the market for the iPod Classic.
No need to be pissy about it. No doubt, a large capacity iPod touch would certainly encroach on some iPod classic sales. The actual amount is known only to Apple's marketing folks, so it's pointless to conjecture about it.
Relax I was only being frisky not pissy, anyway if Apple sales both products would it really be such a huge deal to lose sales on one product for another?
When the iPod touch came out, there was much discussion about if it would cannibalize iPhone sales or not. The existence of a product line and promotion of it is a huge deal to a stockholder. If I can get a 160GB (or whatever) iPod classic OR a 160GB iPod touch, and Apple is blowing money marketing both, I'd be a little upset as a stockholder.
To the consumer it may not be a big deal. Look at it from a stockholder's standpoint and almost every situation changes.
They have stock in Apple and not the products, yes. However Apple doesn't tend to market one thing as economical and the other as expensive (name the last Mac Mini ad you saw. I'll wait). They have products that fit a certain niche extremely well (if someone needs the processor power and graphics of a MacBook Pro, they probably aren't going to even glance at the MacBook).
I've been googling and so far i've had no luck, I just installed itunes on my windows machine and was reminded of just how goddamn awful the windows version is.
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I've got a spare copy of Portal, if anyone wants it message me.
I have jailbreaked it, I used ijailbreak on my macbook.
So far, all i've done is used Summerboard to add a background image and installed a text editor.
How would I be able to sync up music/video on my touch with a third party ipod manager?
The only way I can think of is using openssh and transferring stuff via sftp. Which is a bit of a roundabout way.
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I've got a spare copy of Portal, if anyone wants it message me.
Winamp no, I hadn't considered foobar. I'll give it a go now.
If memory serves because the iphone/ipod touch is running a heavilly modified OSX the filing system is hfs (or some variant of it), so they'd probably have to add the ability to read hfs drives. (to the ipod managers)
EDIT:
According to here ipod support for the iphone/touch requires itunes to be installed. Which defeats the point.
Suppose I could give it a go, disable all those damn services that Apple likes installing and background programs.
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I've got a spare copy of Portal, if anyone wants it message me.
That foo-bar implementation doesn't look too bad actually. It says you need to have iTunes installed because there is a service that facilitates communication between the device and your pc software, so don't disable that service.
WWDC is about 62 days away (saw a blog post yesterday that said 63).
Unfortunately the ipod touch uses another standard for file syncing. Apparently you have to install iTunes in order to use the Apple mobile device driver in Windows.
Even in Linux (Ubuntu) I had to use a detour in order to playback music from my iPod touch.
I installed ssh on the iPod and the iPod convenience packet in Linux. Through SSH and Fuse the iPod is mounted (wireless) in the filesystem. Amarok can then access the device - the iPod control folder appears to be similar to the other other iPod models.
A few questions regarding the other models (classic and nano): Do these iPods appear as regular removeable devices after connecting them?
First jailbreak I tried was Ziphone- pretty good- but gives no hope of browsing the file structure from windows. The only way to upload stuff via cable was: zip an .app in cygwin and run it as a "plugin" in ziphone. I tried the ibrickr fix to allow me to just copy stuff (with iphonebrowser) but it didn't work, anybody got some experience with it?
Then I restored and tried iLiberty+- well, this is nice, I get to browse the ipod with no problems BUT none of the apps I upload work- they freeze upon startup and I'm back at the home screen after a moment.
Can anybody help me in any way?
What I did was run ijailbreak and then install anything I liked via one of the repositories. Does Ziphone add Installer etc?
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I've got a spare copy of Portal, if anyone wants it message me.
iJailbreak was a one-click, everything-is-done solution for me.
I use WinSCP to browse my phone's file structure from windows. Do you have wifi?
Edit: Also, your crashing apps probably rely on BSD Subsystem. Install that.
Apple has been able to shove 16GB in for a while. In my non-professional opinion, I'd say don't bother waiting. Grab a refurb.
Don't hold your breath for this one in an Apple phone any time soon. Certainly don't use it to inform your purchase decisions within the next couple years.
I got my girlfriend a launch 'chubby' Nano and it's running fine. Of course I'm the only one that ever exchanges music on it, and it's probably been connected to that computer all of ten times.
Ah see I use mine as a podcast player. And I move easily about 5gigs around on it every week. I wish they made a small nano w/o flash memory.
Well for reference I also have a launch 16TB iPod touch that gets tons of data thrown around on it weekly and I'm not having this problem.
Also, I have to say that I absolutely love the thing. I'm sure I'm weird, but I use for freaking everything. I use the notes, I use the little calendar organizer extensively and obviously Safari.
If you have some money you're really looking forward to dedicate to a kick ass music player that happens to have tons of other organizer style uses, I would suggest an iPod touch or iPhone.
Basically I'm looking for something that can hold about 50 or more gigs, is fairly durable (stuff tends to fall a lot when I'm around) decent battery life, and reasonably priced. I don't really care about bells and whistles, I just want it to be reliable.
Any suggestions?
If they're already mp3s, there's no conversion necessary. Just add them to an iTunes library (which won't copy or duplicate them if you tell it not to) and add them to your iPod.
For most people using their iPod for fitness purposes, I'd suggest going with a Nano, but that won't have enough space to hold your entire collection. If you want something that will hold your whole collection, your only option is the Classic, which has a HDD.
Edit: as far as reliable goes, my 40GB 4th Gen iPod is still ticking, although its battery doesn't last like it used to. I've knocked it around quite a bit. Now for working out thought I use a Nano (mine's really beaten up, no worries since it's all flash memory) and an iPod Touch (for when I'm on the bike or treadmill and want to watch some TV.
I'm sure another poster can discuss your non-iPod options.
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